Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

[sixsigmamb]

Reminds me of AdSurf Dailys' Andy Bowdoin.

For years members didn't notice the street address given for ASD was actually incorrect and 2 digits out.

A fact the Secret Service highlighted in it's prosecution.

This despite the fact the building had been visited, photographed and researched a squillion times.

As has been said before countless times,

anyone who believes ANYTHING coming out of a HYIP ponzi is asking for trouble.

I agree entirely and would like to add that, 'anyone who believes anything going in to a HYIP Ponzi is asking for trouble!'

[sixsigmamb]

You're preachin' top the choir but there are still those that this is their first rodeo and don't know better. That's why I throw those type questions out there. In case they actually decide to go looking.

I can respect that!

[baylee]

Six sigma was introduced into (my) nuclear world just before I retired. It is a way of doing business, so I will just sit back and watch for now.

[littleroundman]

Any predictions when the Bannersbroker ponzi will come screeching to a halt?

Not from me or REALSCAM.com

(http://www.realscam.com)Other posters may be of a different opinion, but, I've been around long enough to knowsuch predictions can play right into the hands of HYIP ponzi operators.

The fraudsters may well be on the verge of disappearing, but can use predictions to drag in a whole heap of new money.

All they have to say is something along the lines of "see, the naysayers and haterz are wrong, we're here for the long haul" and members will fall over themselves to send more money

It's a sad fact that most of the targets of these things aren't looking for "facts" proving the HYIP is NOT legitimate.

They are looking to validate their belief the are going to be rich.

[sixsigmamb]

Six sigma was introduced into (my) nuclear world just before I retired. It is a way of doing business, so I will just sit back and watch for now.


If you want a real eye opener, run a financial Montecarlo simulation on Bannersbroker. One thing for sure, the membership numbers and total affiliate payouts they claim are statistically impossible. But what would you expect from a HYIP ponzi?

[sixsigmamb]

Not from me or REALSCAM.com

(http://www.realscam.com)Other posters may be of a different opinion, but, I've been around long enough to knowsuch predictions can play right into the hands of HYIP ponzi operators.

The fraudsters may well be on the verge of disappearing, but can use predictions to drag in a whole heap of new money.

All they have to say is something along the lines of "see, the naysayers and haterz are wrong, we're here for the long haul" and members will fall over themselves to send more money

It's a sad fact that most of the targets of these things aren't looking for "facts" proving the HYIP is NOT legitimate.

They are looking to validate their belief the are going to be rich.

Please excuse my ignorance to HYIP ponzi blogging etiquette. I am still learning. I apologize for asking such a question. I have no financial interest in this matter. I am simply trying to learn enough to help a couple of Christian brothers bail out of a bad situation and hopefully identify the people who involved them with it. Doing so, just lit a fire in me because I cannot believe that a ponzi of the BB magnitude could have existed this long.

[EagleOne]

It makes no difference as to the name of the Ponzi, but they all have these things in common that people have to accept:

Absurd Premise # 1:

You somehow have been lucky enough to find this life-changing opportunity. A millionaire, or the head of a multi-million dollar company that no-one has heard of before, on the internet is going to let you, an anonymous web surfer, share in his investment/company riches just because you happened to stumble across his website or referred by a friend/family member. In addition he is benevolent, magnanimous in wanting to share his profits with you. He just wants to give the "little guy" a chance at the brass ring because the rich for too long have kept all the wealth to themselves.

Absurd Premise # 2:

He is a genius with a secret way of earning incredible rates of interest, or has a secret formula for a new way of doing business that no-one else has discovered.

Absurd Premise #3:

This individual has nothing better to do than personally manage this give-a-way scheme for you. This infinitely wealthy and caring world traveler is going to manage every bookkeeping detail and file himself (with or without a paid staff, depending on which story you last read), and has unlimited time to sign checks and file papers too.

What level of need, greed, desperation, wishful thinking, naiveté or gullibility is necessary to enable someone to forsake every last shred of human logic and common sense in order to delude themselves into buying into these fairy tales?

Those who are: desperate and will try anything, those who trust their friends, neighbors or family members they know what they are doing, and of course the financial forums where all the "I got paid," "This is the most honest admin ever," "This is a Godly man running this program," "This is an admin that cares about the little guy," "This is a program that will change your life," and of course "do not believe any of the naysayers/trolls because they are jealous, afraid to take risks, and can't think out of the box.

[littleroundman]

Please excuse my ignorance to HYIP ponzi blogging etiquette.

My answer wasn't in any way a reflection on your question or your "newbieness"

It was a statement of fact based on many years of observing the HYIP ponzi "industry" and aimed as much at the many new posters brought here by the Banners Broker fiasco as to you personally.

There is no such thing as a "standard" member of any HYIP ponzi.

Within HYIPs, especially the "next big thing" Zeek Rewards, Banners Broker, AdSurf Daily type HYIP, there exist different types of personalities.

Broadly, there are:

* Those behind the fraud. Rarely, if ever, seen and definitely anonymous.

* The "public faces" of the HYIP

* Insiders.

* professional enablers (the Ken Russo, Faith Sloane, Strosdegoz type leeches of the HYIP scene)

* Shills and pimps

* "Playas" who are semi insiders and know EXACTLY what they're doing.

* "Players" who know full well what is going on and "play" the HYIP ponzi as a sort of "game"

* Fools who think they know what they're doing and think they can beat the syastem

* True believers

Using a "one size fits all" strategy when discussing HYIP ponzi fraud is doomed to failure.

"Facts" to one HYIPer is meaningless gibberish to another, "trying to keep the little guy down" to a third and a jealous competitor to another.

[Brenda]

Personally, i thought it was pretty funny. Found it elsewhere. I will refrain in the future of sharing different humor I have found relevant to BB on blogs such as this. Please forgive me bad taste and an attempt to share what I think is humor with others here.

personally am a bit disappointed reading back tonight. When I first came across this forum and this thread, from very early on, I developed huge respect for those posting here, felt it had a heart in the right place together with compassion and intelligence and knowledge. I found this forum while doing my due diligence and it convinced me that my initial thoughts, if it sounds too good etc, were correct.

I like to 'lighten the mood' myself from time to time but try to maintain the dignity of the thread at the same time. If I had chosen tonight to do my DD , well , who knows?

Anyway if you are the same Bill Lucas from Finch, why such a change of posting style from there to here? Why did you appear so complementary of Stern's employment history yesterday and so different today? Either he was a professional known to you previously or he is all we all know him for, linkedin/facebook and an average history of employment, one month at SP?

[sixsigmamb]

It makes no difference as to the name of the Ponzi, but they all have these things in common that people have to accept:

Absurd Premise # 1:

You somehow have been lucky enough to find this life-changing opportunity. A millionaire, or the head of a multi-million dollar company that no-one has heard of before, on the internet is going to let you, an anonymous web surfer, share in his investment/company riches just because you happened to stumble across his website or referred by a friend/family member. In addition he is benevolent, magnanimous in wanting to share his profits with you. He just wants to give the "little guy" a chance at the brass ring because the rich for too long have kept all the wealth to themselves.

Absurd Premise # 2:

He is a genius with a secret way of earning incredible rates of interest, or has a secret formula for a new way of doing business that no-one else has discovered.

Absurd Premise #3:

This individual has nothing better to do than personally manage this give-a-way scheme for you. This infinitely wealthy and caring world traveler is going to manage every bookkeeping detail and file himself (with or without a paid staff, depending on which story you last read), and has unlimited time to sign checks and file papers too.

What level of need, greed, desperation, wishful thinking, naiveté or gullibility is necessary to enable someone to forsake every last shred of human logic and common sense in order to delude themselves into buying into these fairy tales?

Those who are: desperate and will try anything, those who trust their friends, neighbors or family members they know what they are doing, and of course the financial forums where all the "I got paid," "This is the most honest admin ever," "This is a Godly man running this program," "This is an admin that cares about the little guy," "This is a program that will change your life," and of course "do not believe any of the naysayers/trolls because they are jealous, afraid to take risks, and can't think out of the box.

You bring up a lot of great and intelligent points, but I would like to add a couple for you to consider:

1. The majority of people who buy in to these scams do so with the intent to earn a lot of tax free money and seem to care very little that they are committing a crime. When they discover that the criminals they knowingly involved themselves with were not honest in their promises, the moaning and complaining begin. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for these people. I hold them as much accountable to the losses of the innocents as the ones who got the whole thing going.

2. There are innocent victims of these scams. The economy has been worse on some than others. These people are desperately trying to feed their families. Many of them are in danger of losing their homes, cars, etc. Even though they know the claims of riches are probably a pipe dream, sometimes a pipe dream is better than no dream at all. People with their backup against the wall are prime targets for ponzi schemes. These are the people that really cause me to feel anger towards the scumbags who took them. They are also almost always the predominant percentage who end up losing their money in these types of scams.

What I will never understand is how something like this could go on for over two years right in front of the authorities noses. Is something like this that darn difficult to shut down? Or is it that the authorities just don't think it merits their attention?

[sixsigmamb]

personally am a bit disappointed reading back tonight. When I first came across this forum and this thread, from very early on, I developed huge respect for those posting here, felt it had a heart in the right place together with compassion and intelligence and knowledge. I found this forum while doing my due diligence and it convinced me that my initial thoughts, if it sounds too good etc, were correct.

I like to 'lighten the mood' myself from time to time but try to maintain the dignity of the thread at the same time. If I had chosen tonight to do my DD , well , who knows?

Anyway if you are the same Bill Lucas from Finch, why such a change of posting style from there to here? Why did you appear so complementary of Stern's employment history yesterday and so different today? Either he was a professional known to you previously or he is all we all know him for, linkedin/facebook and an average history of employment, one month at SP?

Brenda, your questions are reasonable and I would like to explain something to you. I do not give any credence to the Linkedin profile of Terry Stern. i truly believe that it was planted back when this whole thing started to later give validation that he is who he says he is. I did not want to post that one the Finch blog, because at that time I felt it may prevent him from coming back out publicly. At this point, after he roasted his own posterior by continuing discussions with affiliates who promulgated their continued affiliate involvement with a ponzi scheme, I find it very hard to believe he has not been told to cease all posting. If am incorrect about my assumptions as to if he is in fact Terry Stone, I will say this for him. Several years ago he never gave me any reason to doubt his integrity when I had some indirect dealings with him at Global Wealth. That said, several years gives a person a whole lot of time to let the bad in them take root. Sorry, for any confusion.

[Brenda]

Brenda, your questions are reasonable and I would like to explain something to you. I do not give any credence to the Linkedin profile of Terry Stern. i truly believe that it was planted back when this whole thing started to later give validation that he is who he says he is. I did not want to post that one the Finch blog, because at that time I felt it may prevent him from coming back out publicly. At this point, after he roasted his own posterior by continuing discussions with affiliates who promulgated their continued affiliate involvement with a ponzi scheme, I find it very hard to believe he has not been told to cease all posting. If am incorrect about my assumptions as to if he is in fact Terry Stone, I will say this for him. Several years ago he never gave me any reason to doubt his integrity when I had some indirect dealings with him at Global Wealth. That said, several years gives a person a whole lot of time to let the bad in them take root. Sorry, for any confusion.

Global Wealth is another issue, if you knew Terry, then you must have known Hooker. I've done my DD on GWT and wouldn't touch them with a barge pole either. To me, only difference between them and BB is a tangible product. Only problem is that said product doesn't stand up to scrutiny. 19 and 21 carot, thrown out of St Maartens, never mind all the other stuff out there? Did you purchase from them or sell for them?

Why do I feel my chain being yanked here? Terry Stone?? Several years? You have no way of knowing from his pic, what he really looked like if it was staged, how therefore can you know if you have dealt with him in the past?

[littleroundman]

Is something like this that darn difficult to shut down? Or is it that the authorities just don't think it merits their attention?

Who are "they" and where are "they" ??

One of the things HYIP ponzi players and victims learn very quickly is that very few of them are U.S. based and the people behind many/most of them are simply mouthpieces.

It is no accident, for example, that Canada is chosen by so many participants in the HYIP ponzi fraud scene.

It has been a constant source of irritation that the "enabler" payment processors without which the HYIP ponzi industry could not exist are based in Canada.

The same Canada which is notoriously slow and/or reluctant to move against the HYIP industry, the same Canada chosen by Banners Broker as its' "base" and the same Canada which allowed notorious HYIP ponzi operator "Nick Smirnow" of Pathway to Prosperity infamy to escape to the Philippines despite being warned countless times of his/its existence.

Coincidence ????

I think not.

It is generally accepted an in depth investigation of a US based HYIP ponzi fraud takes in the vicinity of 24 months from inception to emergency civil action being begun.

Add in another 24 months for criminal prosecution to begin, and it's not hard to see why "smart" HYIP ponzi operators base themselves AND their bank accounts "overseas" and why Banners Brokers' "details" are constantly changing.

The agencies responsible for investigating and prosecuting fraud were decimated when the US changed it's focus to its' "war on terrorism" and stripped the agencies of resources, including staff, another answer to your question.

[StevenHoward]

What is a VAT number?

Most companies in the UK have to charge VAT on items they sell (turnover has to be above a certain level).

The VAT number is their registration number.

The government then scam, whoops sorry charge an extra 20% on just about everything.

There's some items free of VAT and in some cases it's a lower % (5 i think).

It used to be 17.5%, then dropped to 15% for a year to encourage people to spend during the start of the recession, went back to original level of 17.5%, THEN, went up to 20%.


That's good old VAT.

[littleroundman]

The mind of a HYIP ponzi follower:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/bannersbrokershill.jpg

Banners Broker thread, Talkgold HYIP ponzi forum (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5062218&postcount=1456)

A HYIP can say it will double his money or pay him 1% per day and he'll believe, but, anyone who says his friends have visited its' headquarters is lying

[Joe_Shmoe]

Jamie Waters (TalkingBB/Adverts Galore Bigshot & scammer also Hero also Leader)
Preparing his followers for when he walks away from Banners Broker, with his PLAN B talk. He doesn't mention Banners Broker by name. (I wonder why?)
I wonder if he's planning on jumping ship like his mate Ian Driscoll (The $4,000,000 Man) to FlexKom?

He says at 6:26 "There are plenty of things out there that will make you a truly residual passive income" (we all know that is impossible don't we?)
The phrase Passive income is banned in Banners Broker Land but not yet in FlexKom World.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb_d1hvPbow

[Finix]

Any predictions when the Bannersbroker ponzi will come screeching to a halt?
When the admins decide they've put enough effort for the money or when it gets shuts down.

[Brenda]

So guys, it would seem that our esteemed blogger Martin has hit the 25 today.

I'm sure I speak for everyone in wishing Martin an amazing birthday from all at Realscams !

[Finix]

I don't get it. What's so special about this run-of-the-mill piece of sh!t program that it has more posts on the obscure consumer advocate site than on a HYIP forum?

[StevenHoward]

In the meantime.............

I'm making new friends all around the Durham, Whitby, York area's of Canada.

[Finix]

Oh, you are continuing the fight that started on some obscure blog. Never mind, carry on. *backing out of the thread*

[Finix]

It's game over.
For the players it is. Here it's only beginning.

[noname999]

Thanks SBM

[Poyol]

Thanks, H!

[SwissSkyBlue]

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BIG REPORT ABOUT BANNER ADS ON SWISS MAIN NEWS PROGRAM

The main Swiss national news program on SF1 this evening at 19:30 carried as its second main news item after reporting on the World Economic Forum in Davos a report on the DRAMATIC REDUCTION IN ONLINE BANNER ADVERTISING IN 2012 and the average fall in number of online banner Ads of 20%.

Industry experts interviewed all agreed that banner ads have seen their day and are coming to an end as in this current online world of animation, static banner ads are passé and future onlin advertising will be video/animated and more in line with TV advertising as the online and TV worlds continue to merge. They expect the online banner advertising industry to continue shrinking at a fast rate.

So if the entire online banner advertising industry shrank by on average 20% last year, and is predicted by all industry leaders and experts to be shrinking at a very fast rate and to disappear within a short time, how the Hell did Banners Brokers growing so hugely in 2012 and where on Earth is their future growth in a rapidly shrinking and disappearing market supposed to come from?


I think this report made by the internationally reputable Swiss TV repüorters and supported by acknowledged industry leaders and experts highlights the now very obvious facts that Banners Brokers have been telling huge porkie pies for at least the last two years, and are most definitely knowingly telling enormous lies about their future expansion and viability in what is in fact a shrinking and fast-disappearing market.

[Joe_Shmoe]

So if the entire online banner advertising industry shrank by on average 20% last year, and is predicted by all industry leaders and experts to be shrinking at a very fast rate and to disappear within a short time, how the Hell did Banners Brokers growing so hugely in 2012 and where on Earth is their future growth in a rapidly shrinking and disappearing market supposed to come from?

This won't affect Banners Broker at all. For it to affect them they would have to have some banner Ads out there. They ain't got any out there. :RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol:

[NikSam]

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Shhhh, don't give them ideas, or they gonna launch blind TV ad network.

[Grandão]

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BIG REPORT ABOUT BANNER ADS ON SWISS MAIN NEWS PROGRAM

The main Swiss national news program on SF1 this evening at 19:30 carried as its second main news item after reporting on the World Economic Forum in Davos a report on the DRAMATIC REDUCTION IN ONLINE BANNER ADVERTISING IN 2012 and the average fall in number of online banner Ads of 20%.

For the German speaking amongst us: Umsatzrückgang bei der Online-Werbung - Tagesschau - SRF Player - Schweizer Radio und Fernsehen (http://www.srf.ch/player/tv/tagesschau/video/umsatzrueckgang-bei-der-online-werbung?id=2dfb126d-d4d7-4aff-a2ad-6cd7cd571b08)

[AshKen1]

Shhhh, don't give them ideas, or they gonna launch blind TV ad network.

I don't suppose there's a "Comment of the Week" sticker anywhere is there? Surely this has got to be the winner!!!

:RpS_w00t:

[Whip]

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BIG REPORT ABOUT BANNER ADS ON SWISS MAIN NEWS PROGRAM

The main Swiss national news program on SF1 this evening at 19:30 carried as its second main news item after reporting on the World Economic Forum in Davos a report on the DRAMATIC REDUCTION IN ONLINE BANNER ADVERTISING IN 2012 and the average fall in number of online banner Ads of 20%.

Industry experts interviewed all agreed that banner ads have seen their day and are coming to an end as in this current online world of animation, static banner ads are passé and future onlin advertising will be video/animated and more in line with TV advertising as the online and TV worlds continue to merge. They expect the online banner advertising industry to continue shrinking at a fast rate.

So if the entire online banner advertising industry shrank by on average 20% last year, and is predicted by all industry leaders and experts to be shrinking at a very fast rate and to disappear within a short time, how the Hell did Banners Brokers growing so hugely in 2012 and where on Earth is their future growth in a rapidly shrinking and disappearing market supposed to come from?


I think this report made by the internationally reputable Swiss TV repüorters and supported by acknowledged industry leaders and experts highlights the now very obvious facts that Banners Brokers have been telling huge porkie pies for at least the last two years, and are most definitely knowingly telling enormous lies about their future expansion and viability in what is in fact a shrinking and fast-disappearing market.

Meh. They'll just say there was no drop and it is just banners broker hiding them in the blind network, lol

[StevenHoward]

I'm not going to repeat it here, but Bill/Terry or whoever he is, has lost it on Finch's blog, he's asked me to carry out a sexual act on him.

I've not arranged to meet up.

[Mundorf]

For the German speaking amongst us: Umsatzrückgang bei der Online-Werbung - Tagesschau - SRF Player - Schweizer Radio und Fernsehen (http://www.srf.ch/player/tv/tagesschau/video/umsatzrueckgang-bei-der-online-werbung?id=2dfb126d-d4d7-4aff-a2ad-6cd7cd571b08)

Yes,she said ERHEBLICH -what means CONSIDERABLY.The trend is not only negative - she is speaking ,and later he,about new advertising world leaving the old
depleted ways of sales promotion meaning banners are history less or more but our beloved Bannersbroker see the bright future with banners - in fact why not?...if the big need for banners can be controled from Chris Smith Mobile phone

[Beethoven]

[QUOTE=Joe_Shmoe;43237]Latest news from Terry Stern's Ponzi Scheme.

Some bloke who's real name we don't know is speaking

Update from Top Scammer Twice Ya Money Guy (No not double, twice it's different don't you know!)

Banners Broker News Update by Founder Chris Smith | Mark Stokes (http://www.mark-stokes.com/banners-broker-news-update-by-founder-chris-smith/)

http://www.mark-stokes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/IMG_1056.jpg

BB is obviously targetting the lucrative "silver surfer market" (If the close up of the punter's bald spot in the foreground is anything to go by) :RpS_wink:

[Theseus]

[QUOTE=Joe_Shmoe;43237]Latest news from Terry Stern's Ponzi Scheme.

Some bloke who's real name we don't know is speaking

Update from Top Scammer Twice Ya Money Guy (No not double, twice it's different don't you know!)

Banners Broker News Update by Founder Chris Smith | Mark Stokes (http://www.mark-stokes.com/banners-broker-news-update-by-founder-chris-smith/)

http://www.mark-stokes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/IMG_1056.jpg

BB is obviously targetting the lucrative "silver surfer market" (If the close up of the punter's bald spot in the foreground is anything to go by) :RpS_wink:

Stokes really goes after the granny market, he's like one of those muggers that stands outside the post office on pension days...

[hendyphilhendy]

Another classic way to describe Banners Broker
How banners broker works is like getting cash for watching grass

How banners broker works is like getting cash for watching grass | Lisa Devereaux's Empower Network Blog (http://www.empowernetwork.com/lisadev/blog/how-banners-broker-works-is-like-getting-cash-for-watching-grass/)


4. You would be joining one of the worlds fastest growing businesses, in online advertising.

And there is me thinking they don't do advertising anymore :duh:

[Mundorf]

The predators very bottom.Amazing how low the ponzi crusaders can fall.It reminds me on the movie - The Empire Strikes Back.It seems that BB Darth Vader is bloody obsessed with turning BB to the White Side of the Force...the last try of the falling dragon

[Mundorf]

Ok, now that Bill Sigma is boohooing in the corner, prepairing a law suit against the meanies from realscam... what's the news with Banners Broker?

As you can see,the fakes last attempt - I doubt lower is possible

[StevenHoward]

I think this is the best way to get things back on track, lets just post these FACTS, whenever people like SICKSIG post their rubbish.

Fact 1: As stated many times, nobody can find the ads. Other than a few token (quite silly) ads run by them directly, there is no "footprint" of BB advertising on the internet.

Fact 2: The program was announced in 2010 as a "Straightline Doubler Cycler", and was exclusively announced on HYIP/MLM websites. If you don't know what "doubler cycler" means, research it.

Fact 3: The guys who started BB or who are now the leaders of it have zero credentials or history in the advertising business. They do, however, have a long history in MLM / Pyramid schemes.

Fact 4: BB refuses to work with you as a publisher, if you contact them with an offer to put traffic out on a well-positioned, high-traffic website. Several of us have tried this and were not able to even talk to anyone.

Fact 5: BB refuses to work with out as an advertiser, if you contact them with an offer to buy a large block of advertising. Again, several of us have tried this and BB is completely unequipped to handle the request.

Fact 6: There is no organic traffic. BB offers the "choice network" to members, with no disclaimer whatsoever about it being in "test mode" -- and Jamie Waters himself demonstrates how to make money from using the "choice network". However, when pressed on the complete lack of utility or credibility regarding this network, people quickly say "it is in test mode". This is not disclosed to any members via the dashboard, back office or on the BB website, anywhere.

Fact 7: No businessmen (or women) in a free market economy would "discover" a business model as elegant as BB claims to be -- and turn it over to anyone willing to sign up for a free membership. There are (supposedly) millions of dollars in cash flow at play here, with margins that would make the executives at Google salivate - yet the patrons who started BB decided to give it all away to the rest of us.

Fact 8: BB claims to be in business with Clicksor, yet Clicksor has nowhere near the capacity to even begin to touch the advertising flow-through that BB claims to be driving. You can call Clicksor yourself (as I did) and confirm this.

Fact 9: BB is not known to any of the outside advertising reporting agencies who spend 24 hours a day tracking and reporting on the online advertising business. You can call ComScore yourself (as I did) and confirm this.

Fact 10: The leaders of BB never attend, present a topic at or even have a presence (like a simple information booth) at any of the big advertising conferences. This is beyond unusual for a "breakthrough" business such as BB.


Probability 1: sixsig, Terry Stern etc are here to hijack and destroy this thread.

[Poyol]

For the record, I'm certainly not anonymous.

[Papaponzi]

Our old friend Iain sherif is posting on bb Facebook pages that banner brokers ads can be seen on his uklows forum, I just had a look and there are "ads" on it, surprisingly for company's such as Mazda.co.uk wonga loans ,Barnardos etc These ads change when refreshed.

It's obviously an attempt by iain to prove to his talkingbb followers that they do have ads...

Could someone who knows more about such things have a look at uklows and see what's what?, it needs debunked.

[littleroundman]

Off topic, unnecessarily inflammatory and inappropriate posts have been moved to THIS (http://www.realscam.com/f22/gangstas-bb-provocateurs-other-trolls-banners-broker-defenders-have-their-say-1975/) thread

[Poyol]

Our old friend Iain sherif is posting on bb Facebook pages that banner brokers ads can be seen on his uklows forum, I just had a look and there are "ads" on it, surprisingly for company's such as Mazda.co.uk wonga loans ,Barnardos etc These ads change when refreshed.

It's obviously an attempt by iain to prove to his talkingbb followers that they do have ads...

Could someone who knows more about such things have a look at uklows and see what's what?, it needs debunked.

Probably links to NOT the respective websites, and to a BB advertisers sign up page.

[noname999]

No ads when I went on there.

[hendyphilhendy]

Our old friend Iain sherif is posting on bb Facebook pages that banner brokers ads can be seen on his uklows forum, I just had a look and there are "ads" on it, surprisingly for company's such as Mazda.co.uk wonga loans ,Barnardos etc These ads change when refreshed.

If you look at them they are Google Adchoices ads. A couple of explanations for this:

1 - They are in partnership with Google (obviously not!)
2 - Banners Broker have set up as a google adsense publisher/ affiliate and are sending affiliates that code to put on their publisher site
3 - UK Lows have set up as a google adsense publisher/ affiliate and are showing the ads direct
4 - Google adchoices are one of the blind network options and actually it won't always be an adchoice ad shown.

[hendyphilhendy]

And look at this thread on them from their own members!

Who can see the Ads - R.I.P. The biggest UK Lowriding Character. (http://uklows.com/forum/index.php?topic=2868.0)

[Grandão]

Our old friend Iain sherif is posting on bb Facebook pages that banner brokers ads can be seen on his uklows forum, I just had a look and there are "ads" on it, surprisingly for company's such as Mazda.co.uk wonga loans ,Barnardos etc These ads change when refreshed.
It's obviously an attempt by iain to prove to his talkingbb followers that they do have ads...
Could someone who knows more about such things have a look at uklows and see what's what?, it needs debunked.

This is the html-script...

<noscript><iframe id="41b3bfcd2beb9" name="41b3bfcd2beb9" src="http://ox-d.bannersbroker.com/w/1.0/afr?auid=334965&cb=1006602209" frameborder="0" scrolling="no" width="728" height="90"><a href="http://ox-d.bannersbroker.com/w/1.0/rc?cs=41b3bfcd2beb9&cb=1006602209" ><img src="http://ox-d.bannersbroker.com/w/1.0/ai?auid=334965&cs=41b3bfcd2beb9&cb=1006602209" border="0" alt=""></a></iframe></noscript>
<br /><a href="http://uklows.com/forum/index.php?action=adpro;sa=buyadspace">Adverts from the Bannersbroker Network</a><img src="http://uklows.com/forum/index.php?action=adpro;sa=v&amp;id=1&amp;l=1&amp;m=0&amp;t=1359290 332" alt="" /></div>
<br class="clear" />

[StevenHoward]

Probably links to NOT the respective websites, and to a BB advertisers sign up page.

Have you got a link to his page ?

[noname999]

So more lies from the scum.

[Grandão]

If you click on Adverts from the Bannersbroker Network, you are presented:

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Which is linked to:

Ad Seller Pro - An advertising selling and placment system for SMF. Intergrated with PayPal IPN. People can buy ad banners or create their own custom text ad (http://www.smfhacks.com/ad-seller-pro.php)

[noname999]

R.I.P. The biggest UK Lowriding Character. - Index (http://uklows.com/forum/index.php)

[Theseus]

If you click on Adverts from the Bannersbroker Network, you are presented:

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Which is linked to:

Ad Seller Pro - An advertising selling and placment system for SMF. Intergrated with PayPal IPN. People can buy ad banners or create their own custom text ad (http://www.smfhacks.com/ad-seller-pro.php)


It's a desperate, last-ditch attempt to make it look as if the AdSellerPro banners are actually from the "Banners Broker Network".

The official line is that there is no way of knowing which websites your adverts are on or which banners belong to BB because it's all done through another broker on a "blind network".

I know you're reading this, Iain, so, seriously, give it up, you're just no good at this sort of attempted deception. It might fool a few hard of thinking members of your own forum, but in the real world the "adverts from the Banners Broker Network" link would go to an official page describing what the network is and how to advertise on it, not just to a blank page on the same website as the banner is displayed....

[Theseus]

R.I.P. The biggest UK Lowriding Character. - Index (http://uklows.com/forum/index.php)

What a tool...

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[Grandão]

It's a desperate, last-ditch attempt to make it look as if the AdSellerPro banners are actually from the "Banners Broker Network".

The good news for him is that Ad Seller Pro works with PayPal, so swift payments guaranteed...

[samuel.r]

This is the html-script...

<noscript><iframe id="41b3bfcd2beb9" name="41b3bfcd2beb9" src="http://ox-d.bannersbroker.com/w/1.0/afr?auid=334965&cb=1006602209" frameborder="0" scrolling="no" width="728" height="90"><a href="http://ox-d.bannersbroker.com/w/1.0/rc?cs=41b3bfcd2beb9&cb=1006602209" ><img src="http://ox-d.bannersbroker.com/w/1.0/ai?auid=334965&cs=41b3bfcd2beb9&cb=1006602209" border="0" alt=""></a></iframe></noscript>
<br /><a href="http://uklows.com/forum/index.php?action=adpro;sa=buyadspace">Adverts from the Bannersbroker Network</a><img src="http://uklows.com/forum/index.php?action=adpro;sa=v&amp;id=1&amp;l=1&amp;m=0&amp;t=1359290 332" alt="" /></div>
<br class="clear" />

ox-d is the free Openx service that anyone can use. Go to ox-d.bannersbroker.com and you will see it is operated by Openx. You or I could do the same on our own website, in a matter of minutes.

[PPBlog]

1 - They are in partnership with Google (obviously not!)

In the AdSurfDaily Ponzi scheme, one of ASD's deepest thinkers concocted a scheme by which ASD would announce an "agreement" with Google, suggesting it was a partnership worked out by two advertising giants. The ASD troops were told to spread the word far and wide. What it actually was was a bid to make ASD members part of a conspiracy to commit large-scale click fraud against Google and its advertisers. Put another way, Adsense code was placed on ASD-related pages so ASD -- a purported "advertising" company affiliates described as the next Google or a company better than Google -- could "earn" fraudulent click revenue.

The Secret Service has said that HYIP schemes continuously evolve. Longtime observers know that to be the case.

BB strikes me as an enterprise that has formed a hybrid out of the core business models of ASD, JSSTripler/JustBeenPaid and a JSS/JBP knockoff abomination known as JSS Tripler 2 or T2, purportedly operated by "Dave."

"Dave" purportedly had a business partner known as "Chris." When payments weren't being made, "Dave" blamed "Chris." Like BB, the T2 scheme featured purported globetrotting. When the scheme started teetering, "Dave" purportedly was building a slew of websites that would be sold for enormous profits to keep the T2 scheme afloat.

I think it is probable that BB and/or key members are hoping to create websites and use them as "proof" that a "blind network" actually exists.

If one takes a look at Zeek Rewards, it, too, had a purported "advertising" element. It was obvious that "ads" for Zeek were being placed on any number of low-traffic sites, including sites that published classified ads.

BB also reminds me of certain aspects of the Legisi HYIP fraud case. Legisi pitchman Matthew Gagnon now has judgments against him totaling in the millions of dollars for turning a blind eye to Legisi and other fraud schemes. Here is a quote from one of the judgments against Gagnon (italics added):

“[Gagnon] explained that ‘I have a trader I represent in Europe that can trade your funds in a managed account.’ Gagnon promised that investors in the European Trade Offer would experience ‘consistent monthly profits’ and ‘very few losing trades.’ Apparently, the European trader is ‘Juju,’ who is Jjunju Kateregga, a Ugandan national residing in Finland. Gagnon promoted Juju’s trading prowess after meeting him on the internet, exchanging emails and talking to him on the phone ‘a few times.’”

PPBlog

[buckyuk]

.
.
.
BIG REPORT ABOUT BANNER ADS ON SWISS MAIN NEWS PROGRAM


Obviously nobody told them about Banners Brokers infinite amount of invisible advertisers and publishers to accomodate the infinite list of affiliates they are signing up to double their infinite amount of cash

[Joe_Shmoe]

​I just visited our old mate Iain's site at who got snow then homies - UKLows (http://uklows.com/forum/index.php?topic=2874.0)

His Ads are from appnexus NOT BANNERS BROKER however the Drones will now no doubt say that Banners Broker are in partnership with appnexus even though nobody in the entire world has mentioned appnexus in relation to Banners Broker before as far as I know.

Here is what appnexus say about themselves AppNexus &mdash; Analysis by Ghostery (http://www.ghostery.com/apps/appnexus)

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A Couple of the Ads I seen there.
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Oh! and just to add here is something Banners Broker don't do. LEADERSHIP TEAM | AppNexus (http://www.appnexus.com/leadership) :RpS_smile:

See Chris & Terry if your company is on the level this info don't have to be top secret like Baners Broker says it needs to be.

[Whip]

In the AdSurfDaily Ponzi scheme, one of ASD's deepest thinkers concocted a scheme by which ASD would announce an "agreement" with Google, suggesting it was a partnership worked out by two advertising giants. The ASD troops were told to spread the word far and wide. What it actually was was a bid to make ASD members part of a conspiracy to commit large-scale click fraud against Google and its advertisers. Put another way, Adsense code was placed on ASD-related pages so ASD -- a purported "advertising" company affiliates described as the next Google or a company better than Google -- could "earn" fraudulent click revenue.

The Secret Service has said that HYIP schemes continuously evolve. Longtime observers know that to be the case.

BB strikes me as an enterprise that has formed a hybrid out of the core business models of ASD, JSSTripler/JustBeenPaid and a JSS/JBP knockoff abomination known as JSS Tripler 2 or T2, purportedly operated by "Dave."

"Dave" purportedly had a business partner known as "Chris." When payments weren't being made, "Dave" blamed "Chris." Like BB, the T2 scheme featured purported globetrotting. When the scheme started teetering, "Dave" purportedly was building a slew of websites that would be sold for enormous profits to keep the T2 scheme afloat.

I think it is probable that BB and/or key members are hoping to create websites and use them as "proof" that a "blind network" actually exists.

If one takes a look at Zeek Rewards, it, too, had a purported "advertising" element. It was obvious that "ads" for Zeek were being placed on any number of low-traffic sites, including sites that published classified ads.

BB also reminds me of certain aspects of the Legisi HYIP fraud case. Legisi pitchman Matthew Gagnon now has judgments against him totaling in the millions of dollars for turning a blind eye to Legisi and other fraud schemes. Here is a quote from one of the judgments against Gagnon (italics added):

“[Gagnon] explained that ‘I have a trader I represent in Europe that can trade your funds in a managed account.’ Gagnon promised that investors in the European Trade Offer would experience ‘consistent monthly profits’ and ‘very few losing trades.’ Apparently, the European trader is ‘Juju,’ who is Jjunju Kateregga, a Ugandan national residing in Finland. Gagnon promoted Juju’s trading prowess after meeting him on the internet, exchanging emails and talking to him on the phone ‘a few times.’”

PPBlog

Perhaps the wonderkin brainchild of this scam will come down with dengue fever also. Or worse, the plague.

[Justin Casey]

Here's an enterprising chap with a decidedly ol' skool BB approach:
"You can start with a moderate amount of money (including fees and taxes) and quite simply multiply that by two! Furthermore, you can do this again and again"... "Remember, it’s impossible to not make money."... "I will ensure you make money by tomorrow - Thats a promise!"... "This company is called Banners Broker. They buy and sell banners, which as you know are ads. This company is also very big. They have served over 6 billion ads and they currently pay one million dollars in commissions DAILY to all its agents (us)."

Be reassured, "It’s not a network marketing or pyramid/ponzi system. It also has nothing to do with HYIP or cyclers or matrixes."

Banners Broker System (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI6DERqSd80)

However, if you like the idea of a cash cycler, he's got that covered too!
"There's never been a system on-line where someone was prepared to do the work for someone else, but in this system this is exactly what happens." Sounds legit.

The Rocket Cash Cycler Perspective (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_zF7DLCUyU)

His BB schtick seems to be aimed especially at Arabic punters:

"Email : arabebannersbroker @gmail.com
skype:arabebannersbroker"

Plus there's all the usual on-line and social media accoutrements:

Banners Broker System | Banners Broker System (http://www.bannerssystem.com/)

Lentrica (http://www.lentrica.com/)

Amin Sadak (http://www.aminsadak.com/)

Some interesting observations about this chap in the Google apparatus. He may or may not be a twenty-four-year old female in Tunisia.

[bannersbrokerhelpme]

who deleted the last 3 pages from yesterday

what is going on

[bannersbrokerhelpme]

OK i think i know why the admin was having a discussion with a someone..i think it was a discussion and the pages might have been deleted a this someone said the N Word was used....ok clean start hope this someone does not come back

the discussion got heated

[littleroundman]

Off topic, unnecessarily inflammatory and inappropriate posts have been moved to THIS (http://www.realscam.com/f22/gangstas-bb-provocateurs-other-trolls-banners-broker-defenders-have-their-say-1975/) thread

[littleroundman]

For all those Banners Broker members who think that "incorporation" provides them with some form of protection and makes Banners Broker a "real registered business" here's what incorporation REALLY means and how cheap and quick it is to become incorporated on the Isle of Man:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/benefits.jpg

Incorporation is designed to protect the shareholders and corporation owners.

First: Incorporation is NOT designed to protect those doing business with the corporation.

Second: Incorporation does NOT protect shareholders, owners or "members" in the event of criminal activity

AdSurf Daily and Zeek Rewards were both "incorporated" and "registered businesses"

Incorporation is NOT going to help victims of the Banners Broker fraud.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4812/inc.gif

Under £2000 and 100,000 members think they are sending their money to a "legitimate" and "registered" business

[littleroundman]

As an aside for anyone interested in the history of HYIP ponzi frauds,

The AdSurf Daily equivalent of Banners Brokers' sixsigmamb / Bill Lucas was a failed car salesman by the name of Bob Guenther

The story is way too complex to go into in any depth, but, let's just say if Bob Guenther had a brother..................................

Another case of "yawn, seen it all before"

[NikSam]

Under £2000 and 100,000 members think they are sending their money to a "legitimate" and "registered" business

It is way cheaper if you shop around or buy already formed corporation and just apply for name change.
Note that directors and shareholders of corporations is confidential information in most offshores,
Getting a corporation with local pre-registered agent (+bank account(s))
is very juicy package, tax efficient, confidential and in a lot of cases does not even need identity checks.

[AshKen1]

As an aside for anyone interetsed in the history of HYIP ponzi frauds,

The AdSurf Daily equivalent of Banners Brokers' sixsigmamb / Bill Lucas was a failed car salesman by the name of Bob Guenther

The story is way too complex to go into in any depth, but, let's just say if Bob Guenther had a brother..................................

Another case of "yawn, seen it all before"

There's a certain something about car linked occupations isn't there? Taxi drivers, garage mechanics, car salesmen. Wonder what it is that draws them to things like BB?

[AshKen1]

It is way cheaper if you shop around or buy already formed corporation and just apply for name change.
Note that directors and shareholders of corporations is confidential information in most offshores,
Getting a corporation with local pre-registered agent (+bank account(s))
is were juicy package, tax efficient, confidential and in a lot of cases does not even need identity checks.

Probably a whole lot easier to get one of these "off the shelf" companies than it is for some people to get a BB prepaid card. Bizarre isn't it?

[NikSam]

BB collects scans of passports from members, bills with address.
You can only wonder whose identity they might use if they require.

I bet they have several Chris Smiths as members :)

[EagleOne]

Well, this clause from their polices and procedures shoud make all the members all warm and fuzzy inside and sleep well, and I quote:

"Section K (Affiliate & Client)
Exit clause
1.In the event of the company closing, the company reserves the right to sell or transfer the intellectual property, programming code, and membership database at its sole discretion."

Kind of puts a new spin on sending in all that personal information doesn't it.

[Theseus]

There's a certain something about car linked occupations isn't there? Taxi drivers, garage mechanics, car salesmen. Wonder what it is that draws them to things like BB?

The motor trade is full of bottom feeders, especially car sales. It's a very small step indeed from ripping people off for £5k for a clocked Mondeo to conning pensioners out of the last of their savings...

[DevaEboracum]

Hadn't noticed before, but according to their Facebook page BB Australia is a Bank / Financial Institution. I hope they've remembered to register themselves with the appropriate banking and financial services authorities. I'd hate for such a legit company to get into trouble over such an minor oversight.

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[DevaEboracum]

This could be their next way of getting a few extra quid in whilst they can (taken from Facebook)

I have subscribed for one Traffic Pack only per month. Why I have been charged TWO Traffic Packs this month? Please see the details: one on 23rd Jan 2013 and one on 27th Jan 2013.

[Beethoven]

There's a certain something about car linked occupations isn't there? Taxi drivers, garage mechanics, car salesmen. Wonder what it is that draws them to things like BB?


I guess they are too easy to blag, with bait like this:

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:fishing_can:

[Poyol]

I guess they are too easy to blag, with bait like this:

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:fishing_can:

Can you make out the last few characters on the Porsche's license plate?

Jason

[Theseus]

Can you make out the last few characters on the Porsche's license plate?

Jason

Here you go...

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[Poyol]

Here you go...

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Thanks, Theseus.
I wonder who owns it!

Jason

[Theseus]

Thanks, Theseus.
I wonder who owns it!

Jason

Stepsys, the BMW is his old car which he says he sold to one of his downline.

[Poyol]

Stepsys, the BMW is his old car which he says he sold to one of his downline.

Does he actually own it though?

Could be a ploy to show that Banners Broker pays out ...

Jason

[Theseus]

Does he actually own it though?

Could be a ploy to show that Banners Broker pays out ...

Jason

He goes to great pains to state, every time the car is mentioned, that he paid cash for it. If I cba I'd run an HPi check on it to see if there actually was any finance on it, or the BMW.

I wouldn't put it past someone like him to sell something for cash that was still up to its door handles in finance.

[Martin88]

The more I hear about Raj Dixit, the less I like him. Several people have contacted me about the 'real Raj Dixit', and it's fair to say they don't have much good to say about the man.

Not sure whether you guys are aware of this, but his name was originally Rajiv Dikshit. He changed it to Dixit.

You can verify this on his FB page where several of his family members are still listed as Dikshits.

[Brenda]

The more I hear about Raj Dixit, the less I like him. Several people have contacted me about the 'real Raj Dixit', and it's fair to say they don't have much good to say about the man.

Not sure whether you guys are aware of this, but his name was originally Rajiv Dikshit. He changed it to Dixit.

You can verify this on his FB page where several of his family members are still listed as Dikshits.

despite the fact that one couldn't make up such a name or indeed one's name being a reflection on one's character being so apt, yep, it has been mentioned here that Dixit derives from the name Dikshits. You know what they say, once a dikshit always a dikshit!

What I am not sure about, has anyone used that name in their net searches?

As an aside, hope you enjoyed your birthday !

[Julie Diligent]

Not sure whether you guys are aware of this, but his name was originally Rajiv Dikshit. He changed it to Dixit.

You can verify this on his FB page where several of his family members are still listed as Dikshits.

Yes, I was aware of the original spelling of that surname. But I can't say I blame the man for changing it. Imagine being one of his kids and having to go through school as Martin Dickshit. I bet you'd even rather be 'a boy named Sue'. ;-)

[Theseus]

The more I hear about Raj Dixit, the less I like him. Several people have contacted me about the 'real Raj Dixit', and it's fair to say they don't have much good to say about the man.



I'm sure Chris "Gandhi" Smith more than makes up for it, what with his selfless drive to rid the world of poverty, one banner at a time.


(Note to admin: we really need a sarcasm smiley)

[Mundorf]

despite the fact that one couldn't make up such a name or indeed one's name being a reflection on one's character being so apt, yep, it has been mentioned here that Dixit derives from the name Dikshits. You know what they say, once a dikshit always a dikshit!

What I am not sure about, has anyone used that name in their net searches?

As an aside, hope you enjoyed your birthday !

On other hand,dixit is a card game full of cards with very abstract and distinct illustrative artwork that let players’ imagination run wild.

The playing pieces you move along the score track are shaped like little bunnies – like the little white rabbit that Alice in Wonderland chased down the rabbit hole. And like Alice, players are transported to a world of wild imagination...this almost sounds as ponzi definition...funny isn't it...somehow back on stage again
http://www.theboardgamefamily.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/DixitOdyssey-200x200.jpg

Ah..there is even a balloon :)

[AshKen1]

On other hand,dixit is .... very abstract and distinct illustrative artwork that let players’ imagination run wild.

Oh I thought that was Walt Dixit... the distant cousin who makes all these films like the Lyin' King etc etc... sorry... I'll get my coat on the way out

Second the need for sarcasm font here, probably something slightly gothic???

[Whip]

Thanks, Theseus.
I wonder who owns it!

Jason

The rental agency.

[noname999]

Sent you a PM Martin.

[Lee5916]

The rental agency.

I know who owns the BMW . My cousin who joined bb a year ago.tried to get me involved but I gladly turned him down .
It's on his drive in derby.

[noname999]

How do you know its your cousin's?

[Lee5916]

His name is Keith lambert

[noname999]

Why are you glad you didn't join?

[Della Cate]

I am very sorry to say that one of my friends, who first alerted me to BB, and caused me to stay investigating it, has only gone and JOINED the scheme! My initial post here, which was loads of pages back, explained that.

Despite everything that I showed him, and all the questions I suggested he asked, he has now sunk a few hundred pounds into it. He has been told:-

- he does not need to recruit;
- he can make money by just being a member on his own;
- this time next year, he will be able to draw a monthly income from his "business";
- that his introducer - his upline - is only about "5 steps away from the person who invented BB" (but I don't know who that is, I'm not sure if he does, does he mean Chris Smith?)
- that his upline knows people who are already drawing out thousands of pounds per month - although he agrees he has not seen any of this alledged money. His only answer to me is "Well, why would they lie?" - well, to draw you in, you idiot!!

He also states quite firmly that he believes it to be a genuine business and that anyone who says it may be a scam is just plain wrong.

His upline is his lodger, who gained an "extra 5 sales credits" (whatever they are) for his recuritment work. This introducer, I've found, has quite a history of being involved in schemes, none of which were successful. Only about 2 years ago he was flogging a product called "Mazu Gold", supposedly a health drink of some sort; then he was involved with something called "Cashback Card". He had had a succession of jobs over the years, including being a door to door salesman. I would not be inclined to take financial advice of any sort from him, but hey-ho, it's a bit late now!

My friend is confident that he will not have to recruit, because he does not want to do this, and he also believes he will be able to draw money from the scheme without sending off any of his personal details. I think time will prove him wrong on both counts, always assuming that BB rumbles on for another few months of course.

I have asked him to keep me informed of progress, I just hope I might be able to get some insider information at the very least.

I'm gravely disappointed with him and I think he's an idiot, but he's well into his 50's, so there's nothing to be done. At least the few hundred he has sunk is not everything he has. I think greed and big talk from the lodger get the better of him - and he is quite naive in many ways about the internet. So I will watch with interest.

[Lee5916]

Why are you glad you didn't join?

well i have been reading this thread from the 1st post and believe its a scam.

[noname999]

That porsche is 7 years old! Even my car is worth more than that:RpS_lol:

Wouldnt fancy the up keep though...

[noname999]

Long time lurker!:RpS_smile:

[Theseus]

That porsche is 7 years old! Even my car is worth more than that:RpS_lol:

Wouldnt fancy the up keep though...

Err, 3 months old....

[noname999]

Damn, can never get the hang of english license plates! My apologies.

[Della Cate]

Forthcoming meeting, if anyone feels inclined to go....

BRISTOL MEETING


THURSDAY 31st January

Venue changed from:

ALMONDSBURY INTERCHANGE HOTEL

To

AZTEC HOTEL & SPA

AZTEC WEST, ALMONDSBURY, BRISTOL

BS32 4TS


7.30pm for prompt 8pm start


Information session with

the new BB Presentation

plus a Q&A Session


Presenter: David Hooker

International Compliance Officer for Banners Broker


Guests welcome.

Free WiFi, so bring your Laptop for sign-ups

[Della Cate]

From Banners Broker facts and updates.........more news on non-payment.....see information near bottom dates "Saturday"

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[Della Cate]

From a website called Banners Broker Blog:

BB Successful IC Summit
January 28, 2013

Hey Everybody

Last week, the Banners Broker International Independent Consultants and Stellar Point Inc. General Managers came to the Stellar Point Inc. office in Canada to share information and to learn all about the future plans for both companies. The IC's and GM's had an event-filler time while they were here, and returned home with renewed energy and passion about both current and future developments with BBI and its products. It was a tremendous success and all involved were leaving pumped up and energized!

"Every week we have been growing in the Caribbean, with standing room only at the weekly info sessions. There is a need in the Caribbean right now for people looking for great new jobs and they want an opportunity to take on new goals. People are excited about what BBI is bringing." Effron - Trinidad and Tobago Independent Consultant

"We have grown to over 1,000 affiliates in the short time we have been active. We will be launching BBI to the public here in February and based on our growth, estimate by year end that we will have 40,000 new members." Leroy - Dominican Republic Independent Consultant

"Great training at the IC summit, a lot to be excited about for BBI in 2013." Paul - Ireland Independent Consultant

Ali from Bangladesh, BBI's newest Independent Consultant left feeling very excited and impressed at the opportunity and support that BBI would present to Bangladesh, and is currently in Ireland with Paul learning the essentials on building a supportive and growth-oriented Independent Consultant's office.

There are great things happening for everyone involved with Banners Broker International, so be sure to stay tuned. This year is going to be filled with amazing developments!


Thanks Everybody

[Della Cate]

I've seen Bolton Wanderers Football Club / De Vere Hotel listed as the site for the "World Tour" in Manchester next month. But this is on an affiliate's blog called "Banners Broker: A Journey" and is also down as to be confirmed.

Night All.

[Beacon]

Yes, I was aware of the original spelling of that surname. But I can't say I blame the man for changing it. Imagine being one of his kids and having to go through school as Martin Dickshit. I bet you'd even rather be 'a boy named Sue'. ;-)

Hey easy on Mr Dipstick. I know an Irish guy Mr Hunt and was Christened Michael but everyone calls him Mike. I Dickshit you not. Actually they call him "Mick" come to think of it but with the accent and how Irish say "me car" for "my car" it sounds much the same.

[bannersbrokerhelpme]

Forthcoming meeting, if anyone feels inclined to go....

BRISTOL MEETING


THURSDAY 31st January

Venue changed from:

ALMONDSBURY INTERCHANGE HOTEL

To

AZTEC HOTEL & SPA

AZTEC WEST, ALMONDSBURY, BRISTOL

BS32 4TS


7.30pm for prompt 8pm start


Information session with

the new BB Presentation

plus a Q&A Session


Presenter: David Hooker

International Compliance Officer for Banners Broker


Guests welcome.

Free WiFi, so bring your Laptop for sign-ups

bring my laptop - what laptop i had to sell it to pay for those dam panels and traffic....but on a serious note the last bit about the Free WiFi was funny

[Joe_Shmoe]

Guests welcome.

Free WiFi, so bring your Laptop for sign-ups

Wow that sounds like a pretty hard sell. Don't give them oldies one second to reconsider their decision to blow their cash in a Ponzi scheme. :RpS_mad:

[Beacon]

Hmmm
https://www.facebook.com/NSSupport


NORTH STAR SUPPORT is an authorized Independent Contractor for Banners Broker International in the Nordic Countries.

WHO authorised them?
Under WHAT authority? i.e. how did they have any authority to authorise North Star to act for Banners Broker?

[Mundorf]

Oh I thought that was Walt Dixit... the distant cousin who makes all these films like the Lyin' King etc etc... sorry... I'll get my coat on the way out

Second the need for sarcasm font here, probably something slightly gothic???

Slightly?.....there is this balloon falling slightly....after all this barrage we had here lately,this is quite cute picture I guess

[Theseus]

Hmmm
https://www.facebook.com/NSSupport

WHO authorised them?
Under WHAT authority? i.e. how did they have any authority to authorise North Star to act for Banners Broker?

Authorised is BBspeak for "we found someone gullible enough to take the blame in that country when it all goes tits up"

[NikSam]

Wow that sounds like a pretty hard sell. Don't give them oldies one second to reconsider their decision to blow their cash in a Ponzi scheme. :RpS_mad:

Who said anything about accessing other sites off that Free Wifi, it will be limited to bannerbrokers.com and couple payment options. :)

[Beacon]

From a website called Banners Broker Blog:



How to use Banners Broker to build a successful Business (http://bannersbrokerblog.blogspot.ie/)


If your Bannersbroker account has been locked, it is probably because you have violated the affiliate marketing scheme in some way (I wrongly used the BB logo on this blog).


Oh they are so harsh are rapid in their actions!

Here
Banners Broker are a scam and a ponzi scheme .
Please tell all your crack lawyers to come after me.
In fact tell me who they are and I will even go to them and shout it from the rooftops.
If you want Ill even use Banners Brokers logos letter heads and other material
See I know Banners Broker have the balols to come out in the open to protect any corporate integrity because they havent got any.

So so much for your affilliate marketing crap. come and bring your crack legal team to me BB or if you want just tell people who they are and Ill contact them for you and see how we get on. But you won't because you are illegal chickens.

[littleroundman]

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/8013/comeand.gif

YooHoo, crack legal team,

come an' git me.

[Theseus]

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/8013/comeand.gif

YooHoo, crack legal team,

come an' git me.

They're still negotiating a price.....

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[littleroundman]

Actually,

Linus probably has more credibility than any of Banners Brokers' "crack legal team"

[Hypanor]

The more I hear about Raj Dixit, the less I like him. Several people have contacted me about the 'real Raj Dixit', and it's fair to say they don't have much good to say about the man.

Not sure whether you guys are aware of this, but his name was originally Rajiv Dikshit. He changed it to Dixit.

You can verify this on his FB page where several of his family members are still listed as Dikshits.

Let me guess - claims of domestic violence? There have been several posts on various sites alluding to this.

And yes, as mentioned earlier in this thread - Dixit is a more 'Western acceptable' spelling of Dikshit. (A NZ TV commentator lost his job for making jokes of an Olympic official whose last name was Dikshit)
And yes, have been researching a little with that spelling, but it is common as muck.

[AshKen1]

bring my laptop - what laptop i had to sell it to pay for those dam panels and traffic....but on a serious note the last bit about the Free WiFi was funny

But... but... but... you don't have to recruit...

:RpS_ohmy:

Oh I'm sorry, is that last week's message?

[Joe_Shmoe]

But... but... but... you don't have to recruit...



:RpS_ohmy:

Oh I'm sorry, is that last week's message?

It's not recruiting it's "sales" apparently Poland have been doing very good with "sales" according to last weeks BS from "Chris Smith" if that is his name.

[AshKen1]

Spot today's deliberate error - well I hope it is a deliberate error to see how many affiliates are logging in. Shhhhh don't tell them what it is though. (If you can't spot it, PM me)

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Have a nice day :)

[Poyol]

Spot today's deliberate error - well I hope it is a deliberate error to see how many affiliates are logging in. Shhhhh don't tell them what it is though. (If you can't spot it, PM me)

2931

Have a nice day :)

Haha.
What a great International company.

Jason from United Kingdom
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[Mundorf]

From a website called Banners Broker Blog:

BB Successful IC Summit
January 28, 2013

Hey Everybody

renewed energy and passion about both current and future developments with BBI and its products. It was a tremendous success and all involved were leaving pumped up and energized!

". People are excited about what BBI is bringing."



"........ a lot to be excited about for BBI in 2013."

......... Independent Consultant left feeling very excited and impressed .........

There are great things happening for everyone........... filled with amazing developments!


Thanks Everybody

Interesting....all ponzi use the same words...it's so amazing,great,excited,tremendous successful,all are impressed with renewed energy and passion,pumped up and energized - but for doing what? - nobody explains....as BEING is enough itself to determine the blissfull features of an enterprise...but isn't scam just that?---a big show of nothing?

[Poyol]

Eagle,

I am bored at work - look what I made ...

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Ahhhh, childish moment over.

Jason

[Joe_Shmoe]

@Jason That's marvellous NOW! :whip_the_worker:

[JordanBright]

Hey guys, nothing new on that police stuff in India?

[Theseus]

Hey guys, nothing new on that police stuff in India?

Still showing this...

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[Johnny Hampton]

Does anyone have any further info on the Manchester event, I tried contacting the De Veres hotel but they wouldn't confirm if the event was running or not, the bbtour.com website is equally as vague.

Also, does anyone know anything about Al Baker / Alan Baker the author of: Banners Broker Debunking The Myth (http://www.the-laws-of-success.com/banners-broker.html)

BB affiliates insist this is proof that BB is a legitimate business, can Al prove his links to Chris? Is he credible? He says he lives in France, can anyone verify this? (Domain registers show Detroit).

Editorial: The Meaning Of Success (http://www.the-laws-of-success.com/meaning-of-success.html)

[AshKen1]

It's gone awfully quiet again.... calm before the storm?

[noname999]

Quiet on all forums. People seem to be losing interest. Don't know if its a loss of interest in discussing the programme or loss of interst in the programme itself.

[Finix]

Quiet on all forums. People seem to be losing interest. Don't know if its a loss of interest in discussing the programme or loss of interst in the programme itself.
What's there to discuss? The money pot is not paying like it should. HYIPers are not like you guys. They don't have issues with letting go. When the money dries out, they move on to the greener pastures.

[noname999]

I don't think BB is dead yet.

[Poyol]

What's there to discuss? The money pot is not paying like it should. HYIPers are not like you guys. They don't have issues with letting go. When the money dries out, they move on to the greener pastures.

Finix,

It seems to me that you're the one with issues.

Trying to educate people who are doing their due diligence isn't an issue with letting go.

People are still being suckered in, ergo it's not over for me. One person who is saved from a HYIP by myself will make it worth my time; which as a matter of fact I've had numerous emails thanking me for saving their money and to keep up the good work.

Jason

[Mundorf]

It's not dead but members and interested ones do not see the perspective,I guess...they are somewhat tired from all this stumbles the scam is having...probably that's why all this silence on forums...the thrill is gone...the thrill as oxygen for any scam

[Finix]

Trying to educate people who are doing their due diligence isn't an issue with letting go.
If fighting with each other who contributed what and fights on some obscure blogs and forums are educating the public, go for it. I have nothing against it. It's not affecting my money.

[noname999]

Who's fighting about contributions?

[Joe_Shmoe]

After boasting his site was a Banners Broker Publisher, for some reason our old mate Iain Sherriff's site UKLows no longer has Ads on it.
As far as I could tell the ads on there (over the last few days) were never Banners Broker Ads anyway (they were a lot better :RpS_smile:)

Bannersbroker. Internet advertising that works. - UKLows (http://uklows.com/forum/index.php?topic=2867.0)

[Poyol]

If fighting with each other who contributed what and fights on some obscure blogs and forums are educating the public, go for it. I have nothing against it. It's not affecting my money.

I don't think I've seen anyone fighting over who posted what.

You mentioned obscure blogs, these blogs are at the top of a search for Banners Broker - not so obscure for searchers of those keywords.

Obviously your opinions are allowed here, but why do you feel the need to post if it doesn't affect you?

Think about that and come back to me, you're on the ignore list now.

[Finix]

Someone asked a question about why it's quiet on forums in BB threads, I answered it. If you don't like the answer, it's not my problem. Come up with a better answer.

[noname999]

Spoke too soon. Terry's back...

[Brenda]

Spoke too soon. Terry's back...

over at Finchsells? Anyway, kept meaning to ask you, what was the significance of your tweet q's to Terry? Think I was missing something?

[noname999]

To be honest Brenda, it never went anywhere. That other thread was a joke so it never got off the ground. Lets hope finch can do better.

[Brenda]

To be honest Brenda, it never went anywhere. That other thread was a joke so it never got off the ground. Lets hope finch can do better.

Doubt it, think we were just part of their tactics to deal with the forums. It was never going to go anywhere. Last post from Finch mentioned that we had to go back for clarification on the q's that he asked, so they were still being deliberately evasive.

[noname999]

Yeah. He needs to bite the bullet now. He needs to show what he has from the exchange. Otherwise the time wasting just goes on. Plenty now saying that finch has nothing so BB has been vindicated. We know thats not true but there are plenty suckers who fall for it.

[AshKen1]

Yeah. He needs to bite the bullet now. He needs to show what he has from the exchange. Otherwise the time wasting just goes on. Plenty now saying that finch has nothing so BB has been vindicated. We know thats not true but there are plenty suckers who fall for it.

Rather think anyone who considered that someone was going to be more open and honest is going to be disappointed. It's the same old stuff. Blah blah on why affiliates weren't paid... etc etc. Terry, I apologise if you're reading this, but you've said pretty much nothing new.

This is the reason they don't use Paypal....


This is why PayPal and direct bank deposits aren’t options, because they aren’t universally accepted payment options.

Really? Really, really, really?

[Martin88]

Yeah. He needs to bite the bullet now. He needs to show what he has from the exchange. Otherwise the time wasting just goes on. Plenty now saying that finch has nothing so BB has been vindicated. We know thats not true but there are plenty suckers who fall for it.

I'm currently tidying up the exchange to be posted either tonight or tomorrow morning.

Terry didn't want to reply to my follow-up questions, but I'll be posting everything else - including the questions that went unanswered.

[noname999]

Thats great Finch. Looking forward to it. I know you have your hands full with the move too. Hope its going well.

[hendyphilhendy]

New Stellar point website

Stellar Point - Stellar Point Inc. (http://www.stellarpoint.ca/)

They are really pushing this 'difference' now

[noname999]

Just took this from the site:

Stellar Point is a Canadian company with offices in Canada, Caribbean, Europe and Asia.

Why don't I believe them...

[hendyphilhendy]

Looking at the Finchsells blog Terry Stern is back and I quote


BBI is a direct sales company, not an advertising company, so as such, we don’t subscribe to the traditional advertising model, because it was never intended to be such


So they are going back to being a direct sales company? Another change in direction (or step back as it was described as this before) I am sure there are UK rules on this such as maximum of £200 investment can be put in?

DSA - Direct Selling Legislation (http://dsa.org.uk/about/legislation)

[noname999]

So they will have to make another change of direction. They have made so many changes now, they must be getting dizzy!:RpS_confused:

[hendyphilhendy]

Ok so here is the entire Terry post from FinchSell - my comments are in red


Hello Everyone, my apologies for the absence. My job requires that my attention go to other avenues, so I’ll address a couple of issues further, then I will take my leave.

First off, Bill, yes I’m THAT Terry Stern.

Second, it’s after reading hundreds of posts on dozens of websites that I’ve realized, none of you actually have looked at BBI the way I’ve been trying to explain you should be, you’ve all been looking at it from the perspective that it’s an advertising company, attracting advertiser dollars to the ad spaces, and not actually getting that it’s a brokerage for ad space and traffic.
Ah I see we all have been looking at it wrong, presumably including the affiliates - has there even been one person who has got it right from the beginning? It must be difficult as it seems to change on a weekly basis!

So, let’s try this once more, and I’m going to ask that you actually read what I’ve written rather than just skip through it and try and tell me I’m an idiot and unaware of what I’m doing. After almost 20 years in dealing with MLM companies, looking at affiliate programs and helping companies transition from one market to another quite successfully, I have a better understanding of things than you might think. You’re also going to have to start all over and use different eyes if you’re going to want to understand who BBI is and how it works. Grab a coffee, this is going to be a long post.
But this is alledgedly not an MLM company so how does your insight help

Banners Broker International, is an online broker of web ad space and traffic impressions. We are NOT an advertising company, nor do we actively solicit advertising from companies. We offer an access point to companies looking to advertise online through their website, but, don’t get involved in the actual process other than to provide access to the brokers we deal with.
Which is a complete reversal to what was promoted for the majority of last year many of the blogs may have been taken down but they cannot all have been wrong. And each time it was explained that people were daft for not understanding then!

The ad space BBI purchases, is done through the broker’s we deal with who own reseller programs, however, BBI isn’t restricted to the specific terms those agreements state, due to a unique system created by Chris Smith. It’s already been stated, that initially when approached, most ad networks didn’t want to work with BBI because they weren’t interested in the program being offered, however, one did.
What a great business deal, this seems like the kind of awesome business partnership that would be promoted and publicised, not kept in secret!

Now, the program we deal with takes the ad space purchased, breaks the space into ‘panels’ (which are virtual representations of the ad space), and then packages them into different packages. Each ‘panel’ has a different period of time that is required in order for a particular ‘panel’ to cap. Some can take as little as 2-3 weeks, some can take up-to 6+ months to cap. The advertising that is needed to service these ‘panels’ is provided through the ad networks as per the specifics of their program. If you want to know why the ad networks use resellers, ask them, it’s their program, as for why BBI uses affiliates? That’s easy. It’s a great distribution model for a company that wants to move its product quickly across a global landscape. BBI is a direct sales company, not an advertising company, so as such, we don’t subscribe to the traditional advertising model, because it was never intended to be such.

SEe other comments regarding direct selling in the UK

So you’re asking yourself, “where are the ads that go in the spaces we buy?”, the answer is, they’re serviced by the ad networks as part of the agreement BBI has. Since the resellers the ad networks use aren’t advertising companies in themselves, the network services the ads, and through the resellers, can service more ads because they’re servicing more space.

The next issue is traffic, where is it coming from then? The Brokers attract publishers who want to generate revenue from the traffic they attract, but in order to be part of the broker’s network, they need to meet certain criteria. You’ll have to ask them what that criteria is, because we aren’t directly involved in that either, however, once again, we do accept publishers looking to generate revenue, but they’re also passed through to the ad networks for servicing. Any options BBI provides to publishers or advertisers is done so through the software provided to us by the broker, it’s not BBI specific.

Ok, so you’re curious as to where the money comes from.

The brokers charge their clients a certain amount for the traffic that they’re looking for. The broker then services those clients, however, there’s a product called “remnant inventory” which the brokers pass to their resellers to generate revenue from. There’s a considerable amount of it, so there’s no worry about whether it can be sustained or not. Rather than lose the advertiser because the broker couldn’t service their needs, they use the resellers to fulfill the remainder of those contracts, which makes complete sense. The resellers get discounted rates on the ads run through them, but are allowed to mark-up those rates to any resellers they attract through their businesses. So the broker is tier one in this instance, and reseller (BBI for example) is a tier two, and any affiliates would be tier three. So the tier one broker sells space to the advertiser at market price, passes remnant inventory to the tier two resellers at a discount and pays them a discounted rate on servicing that inventory, who discount it even further and pay the tier three affiliate who purchases the ad space through packages. This is where BBI makes the bulk of their revenues, and how it can afford to pay an affiliate up-to twice the initial inventory purchase value back as commission and still earn a profit themselves.

So what you are saying is that remnant inventory i.e. the dregs are being sold and put on low rate sites? So how do the advertisers feel about this - are there service needs being met? I guess this is why the secret deal with the other brokers are if I were an advertiser and found out this was happening I would be pretty peeved.


Next comes traffic, because no revenue is earned by anyone without the ads actually being seen. The broker charges the advertiser a set amount for the traffic they want to have see their ads. The broker pays their in-house publisher network a certain amount for the number of ads shown, we’re all familiar with this model. When it comes to resellers however, that rate changes. The broker pays their tier two resellers a set amount for the amount of traffic they serve. Since the amount of traffic is based on what’s actually used, the more a tier two reseller uses, the better price they get on purchasing traffic. Tier two resellers are allowed to sell traffic to their tier 3 resellers or affiliates in any denomination they choose, at whatever pricing they choose, so obviously, in order to make a profit, the tier two reseller is going to mark up the cost of that traffic before selling it. BBI does this in the form of “traffic boosters” or “traffic packs” as you’ve seen them called. BBI pays for what it uses with the broker, but, charges the tier three affiliate up-front. BBI doesn’t require that the affiliate use all that traffic all at once however, they’re allowed to ‘bank’ it for use later if they wish. This gives the affiliate some flexibility in how they manage their ad space or ‘panel’ inventory. This is the second way BBI generates the bulk of its revenue.

Sounds like waffle to me

You can make the incorrect argument that BBI generates the bulk of its revenue through affiliate sign-ups, however, with BBI having to constantly purchase both space and traffic, until they receive their commissions from the broker for the ad revenue generated, they require capital to purchase the space/traffic. The fees collected by BBI for the packages of space and traffic from its affiliates goes toward augmenting the available capital to purchase space and traffic from the brokers. No company in existence uses 100% its own capital to purchase products, it leverages its profits and sales revenue towards the continuous replenishing of inventory.

This still does not make the case for a requirement for affiliates. With a proper business plan, loans, factoring, overdrafts, angel investment etc. are all cheaper forms of financing the capital mentioned. If it is such a great business model angel investors would snap this up. It also makes no sense that the brokerages require this type of funding.
Actually, thinking about that the broker would benefit as they have the finance for their remnant inventory, without the risk of being associated as part of a ponzi scheme


At no point does BBI state that any affiliate will “turn $100 to $10,000 overnight”, or any other such get-rich-quick garbage. It states, that if the affiliate sticks with the program, and develops a strategy, that they can generate substantial earnings over time, with most requiring 8-12 months to elapse before any such returns will be seen.

Of course www.twiceyamoney.com (http://www.twiceyamoney.com) is so much different than doubling

Then there’s the arguments about BBI being a ‘straight-line cycler doubler’, or affiliates using the word ‘investment’ to describe getting involved. Every company makes mistakes as they grow. Google started in a garage and didn’t do everything right the first time, and they still make mistakes, yet over time they managed to fix things to enable them to grow to where they are today. BBI recognizes that there were initially incorrect verbiage used to describe the BBI program, which is not at all unusual in start-up companies, and as BBI has grown, this verbiage has been adjusted to comply with international rules and regulations. Through the implementation of internal compliance offices, official documentation is being re-worded to correct any misleading statements, and hundreds of affiliates have already been contacted about their websites, blogs, twitter accounts, facebook pages, youtube videos, etc – and are being instructed to either take them down, or correct them to state the proper terminology…and they’ve been very co-operative in complying with our requests. That’s what the International Compliance and International Public Relations departments were created for. It’s going to take time, but it’s happening.

'straightline cycler doubler' is not incorrect verbiage. Its not exactly what you would first think of when you are setting up a brokerage business. What a pile of twaddle. Especially comparing roots to Google - everyone knows about the ownership and history of the Google. Stellar Point and Banners Broker just seem to be full of dodgy history and secrecy

There’s also the issue of people not being paid on time. BBI made the decision, that unless a payment method is universally acceptable for each country they do business in, it’s not an option. There are also international money laundering regulations that an off-shore company has to address in order to comply with the international banking regulations in each country it does business in. This is why PayPal and direct bank deposits aren’t options, because they aren’t universally accepted payment options. STP and Payza were chosen along with the BB pre-paid cards because they complied with our payment needs, however, over time, it’s been realized, that using 3rd party payment processors has created new payment issues, so that’s also changed. Effective Feb 1st, the BB prepaid card will be the only payment option available. Why? Because it’s universally accepted everywhere we do business, and it allows BBI to pay more regularly. Since delays are the #1 issue, switching to this payment method will reduce the time it takes to pay their affiliates and solve these issues.

More rubbish - I thought you said paypal were just expensive. Paypal surely have more global reach than almost any processor. That should have without doubt been the first call. Now you are forcing people on to the Banners Broker Mastercard!

Lastly, there are some that claim they’ve never been paid. This could be true, but there’s more to the story than you’ve been told. If an affiliate hasn’t been paid, they’ve also been told the reason why. The reasons being: a) their account was in the negative when it came time to issue payment, b) their ID wasn’t complete in their profile, c) they chose the BB card and didn’t have room on card for payment, d)they didn’t activate their BB Card, e) they violated the Terms and Conditions and their accounts were locked. You might think (e) isn’t legal, however you’d be wrong. Companies are allowed to institute penalties on their clients/customers/members in order to protect themselves from damages, or to recover damages that might have been inflicted against them. When someone for example openly posts negative comments on a blog such as this, those comments damage the company, so the company can lock the account of the abusing member, and the member forfeits any fees paid and revenues earned to compensate the company for any damage their comments have caused. You can call it unfair, but, how else is the company to retrieve their losses at the hands of people that would openly do them harm? You would do the same thing, but in this case because it’s being done to you, it’s wrong? Sorry, but you read the T&C’s, knew the consequences, didn’t play by the rules and lost. Next time play by the rules and you’ll be fine. If you haven’t been paid, and none of the above apply, then my question is, why haven’t you contacted support? They’re at worst 3 days behind in answering tickets, and with over 90% of our affiliates regularly paid, what’s preventing you from getting your situation solved?

See italiced comment - I am pretty sure that is not a legally binding term and condition. The correct punitive action is to seek damages. In my situation on seeking legal advice I was advised that as we were unsure of who to contact in respect of legal action it would be a fruitless task.

So there you have it. Every accusation, assumption, myth, irregularity, misleading comment, anonymous story, about Banners Broker International being a ‘ponzi’ or ‘scam’ all debunked and in the open for all to see, with plain facts anyone can verify if they do their research.

OF course it is, it all makes sense now!

Anyone who still insists that BBI isn’t what it claims to be, has a hidden agenda, is maliciously causing trouble, and doesn’t want to understand.

I no longer feel that my presence is required to address any of the inaccurate claims or accusations placed against the company or its product, but if you would like to contact me you may do so, or you can visit the official company blog for more information.

Ah yes, the infamous company blog, now which company is that - Stellar Point or Banners Broker Ltd?

Thank you.

Rant over, not often I go on one, but this post wound me up - what a pile of tripe

[Theseus]

New Stellar point website

Stellar Point - Stellar Point Inc. (http://www.stellarpoint.ca/)

They are really pushing this 'difference' now


Why does the blurb scan as if it was written by a school leaver?


:duh: What a silly question...

[littleroundman]

So they will have to make another change of direction. They have made so many changes now, they must be getting dizzy!:RpS_confused:

Which would be true IF they had made any changes in direction.

There's a great deal of difference between saying you've made a change of direction and actually making a change of direction.

[Martin88]

Here's the exchange:

Banners Broker Q&A with Terry Stern « Finch Sells (http://finchsells.com/2013/01/29/banners-broker-qa-with-terry-stern/)

A lot of unanswered questions, but the silence speaks louder than most of the questions that were answered.

[noname999]

Brilliant finch, worth the wait.

[hendyphilhendy]

Definitely worth the wait. Some really good and well thought out questions.

I think Terry has made a reasonable stab at your initial questions but totally spoilt it by not getting involved in the follow up.

His reasoning for not following it up is also interesting. Stating that it is odd saying we refuse to understand why they are not in the advertising industry. That is their product at the end of the day. My insurance broker I assume is in the insurance industry but they haven't insured me themselves!

[Julie Diligent]

New Stellar point website Stellar Point - Stellar Point Inc. (http://www.stellarpoint.ca/) They are really pushing this 'difference' now

I noticed they're certainly different to Banners Broker in one key respect...


They use PayPal!


I also noticed the absence of glowing 3rd-party testimonies from their... er... 'Premier Clients':

Banners Broker
Monetize Group
Buzinga
PayValley
Parrot Marketing
Premium Free Benefits

[Joe_Shmoe]

I noticed they're certainly different to Banners Broker in one key respect...
They use PayPal!






So does Terry! :RpS_biggrin:

[littleroundman]

Quiet on all forums. People seem to be losing interest. Don't know if its a loss of interest in discussing the programme or loss of interst in the programme itself.

For months now the only real question remaining concerning Banners Broker has been "with a bang or with a whimper"

Regular HYIP ponzi "players" are long gone.

Shills,pimps and "monitors" are even more active than usual as they try and squeeze out the last dollar.

"True believers" are either too scared to complain or well preconditioned enough to think this is all "normal"

It's called the universal law of "that's what happens"

[littleroundman]

Just took this from the site:

Stellar Point is a Canadian company with offices in Canada, Caribbean, Europe and Asia.

Why don't I believe them...

Must be the only representative of a "multi billion dollar" international advertising giant that doesn't make mention of the fact on it's website.

[Hypanor]

Terry Stern: The Choice Network is in a BETA stage, and is currently under review

In 2013, the Choice network will be going to GAMMA stage; 2014 will be aiming for DELTA stage; The final OMEGA stage will be around 2035.
There are no plans to roll out the final 'LIVE' Choice network, as the world is going to be obliterated in 2036 which doesn't give us enough time to go through all the testing stages.

[Hypanor]

Terry Stern: Furthermore, it’s currently being introduced that affiliates must have running campaigns as part of their businesses. This isn’t a ‘sit back and do nothing’ business, this business requires attention in order to work optimally,


I really am serious haha, I'm not sure why people think its a scam; ive "invested" like £200 of my own money and withdrawn 4.5k+ now.

I'm not begging for affiliates simply spreading the word to how people can be apart of this and make easy money,
I literary click like 4 things anight and earn revenue from it, cannot see the downside at all.
Banners Broker - easy money (http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/affiliate-programs/517940-banners-broker-easy-money.html#post5104735)

Terry's right, seems like hard work!

[okosh]

Quiet on all forums. People seem to be losing interest. Don't know if its a loss of interest in discussing the programme or loss of interst in the programme itself.

It's a simple case of the "BB Affiliates" who are all just "punters" knowing that they have milked this ponzi-cow through their facebook pages and the like for all they can get out of it.....
The "BB affiliates" know full well that their accounts now are just numbers on the screen so they have moved on to the next new ponzi just like how they moved on when the ponzi de jour prior to BB ended....
They know that BB is well into the "end game" now and that the only people who will get another dime out of this scam is the admins as the last few newbs get suckered into joining and making a deposit into this now no longer paying scam.....

Wait a month then do google search for all the affiliates who had their names mentioned in this thread and their facebook pages posted here and you will see where they moved on to.....

[okosh]

I don't think I've seen anyone fighting over who posted what.

You mentioned obscure blogs, these blogs are at the top of a search for Banners Broker - not so obscure for searchers of those keywords.

Obviously your opinions are allowed here, but why do you feel the need to post if it doesn't affect you?

Think about that and come back to me, you're on the ignore list now.

Rather then put Finix on ignore you should look to learn from her......

[Brenda]

[QUOTE=Hypanor;43919]Banners Broker - easy money (http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/affiliate-programs/517940-banners-broker-easy-money.html#post5104735)

Terry's right, seems like hard work![/QUOTE ]

seems that poster only joined the site in Dec '12 and he's on there begging to get members to join bb!! What a chancer!

[hendyphilhendy]

Another gem of an unanswered question


Finch: Affiliates are told that BannersBroker requires work to succeed. They are encouraged to build their own ‘Banners Broker business’. Can you explain, in market terms and as a value proposition, what this business is?

Terry Stern: The business simply put, is brokering ad space for advertising. The more affiliates an affiliate can bring into the network, the more they are able to take advantage of the credit incentives the company offers. As previously mentioned, affiliates are now also being required to run campaigns. The business is about brokering ad space, and an affiliate can run a campaign to promote their BBI business, but they still must run a campaign as part of their business.

Finch: You say affiliates are being required to run campaigns. What kind of campaigns? And why should they have to run them?

Something else that is relatively new. Affiliates in this now non advertising business HAVE to run advertising campaigns.

[hendyphilhendy]

And here is one key reason affiliates have a delay on payments. Banners Broker are Investing their money elsewhere


Finch: The company has implemented a requirement that 3 months advance notice be given for any withdrawal over $10,000. We know that advertiser revenue enters the system as soon as the impressions have been bought. In fact, on BannersBroker.com, the advertiser is required to pre-fund his account before he can run any ads. This advance payment means the strain on cash-flow should be minimal. Why does it take 3 months to issue the larger payments?

Terry Stern: BBI has investments in various places, with the time it takes to gather the funds from the various institutions to meet the requests by our affiliates. It’s a well known fact that financial institutions invest the money placed in their trust. Even PayPal follows this practice.

of course other businesses, even PayPal have investments; however, businesses with any sense would only do this if there working capital needs are being met.

This statement alone from Terry must instill some doubt. What investments etc.are being paid for? What if they crash!

This goes back slightly to Terry's issue of publicly available financial information. He is obviously right that I'm Canada this is not normally available. However, in most other countries limited company info is public, especially for an entity of their alleged size. They deliberately use Canada for this reason.

Of course other companies like Google, Facebook etc. display their public.finance info as a) they have to b) they want investor confidence

[Hypanor]

What investments etc.are being paid for?
1. Perhaps to purchase some real estate? Plucking a random address out of the air - let's say 5 Carlow Court?
2. Would bribing Indian officials be considered an investment?

(NB no proof of point 2, just thinking aloud)

[Mundorf]

This is the reason they don't use Paypal....Terry - because they aren’t universally accepted payment options.



Really? Really, really, really?

AshKen ,but he is right...do You know any scam on the globe using PayPal?

[kiwichick]

Hi everyone, had to make a new user name as I bought a new computer and couldn't remember my old password and totally messed up trying to retrieve it, so I am the same kiwichicknz as before........................ any hooo................. I have caught up on all Mr Stern's bs and remembered a facebook entry from the OFFICIAL FACEBOOK page, dated 12 January

tried to upload a screen shot of this but couldn't (clearly not an IT genius like Mr Smith!!!) so if someone else could upload this that be great anyway my question to all of you at rs is how does this statement

"With BB you can target your ad to select geographical and contextual areas to better reach your target audience"

fit with terry sterns replies to finches questions regarding the blind network? and no terry I will not accept your standard answer that affiliates use the wrong words!!! or does the official facebook page also get it wrong?.........lol
kiwi

[kiwichick]

and also from the official bb facebook page dated 15th jan

"Banners Broker offers you the chance to be a publisher online without owning a website. Go to BannersBroker (http://www.bannersbroker.com) to find out how"

so the changes terry told finch about have only been implemented since jan 15th?
kiwi

[DevaEboracum]

facebook entry from the OFFICIAL FACEBOOK



Would you mind posting a link to the Official facebook page please? Not sure if i've been looking at the official one or unofficial ones? Thanks

[Poyol]

Rather then put Finix on ignore you should look to learn from her......

What do I need to learn from her?
I should learn how to not get involved that I want to educate people?

[AshKen1]

Why does the blurb scan as if it was written by a school leaver?


:duh: What a silly question...

Well


Stellar Point can specialize their services depending on your business needs.

If you repeat that often enough, then that's what'll bring in the business. Dreadful, basic website. Probably done by a school leaver as well. Sheesh!

Go on, surprise me, tell me that the new website ISN'T hosted by BB network....

[kiwichick]

Would you mind posting a link to the Official facebook page please? Not sure if i've been looking at the official one or unofficial ones? Thanks
http://www.facebook.com/bannersbroker?fref=ts

[Poyol]

Well



If you repeat that often enough, then that's what'll bring in the business. Dreadful, basic website. Probably done by a school leaver as well. Sheesh!

Go on, surprise me, tell me that the new website ISN'T hosted by BB network....

I think the website is quite nice - minimalist and clean.

Not looked at it for too long - looks like a WP theme/template though.

[AshKen1]

I think the website is quite nice - minimalist and clean.

Not looked at it for too long - looks like a WP theme/template though.

You mean it's an improvement on the previous websites they have been using on their network? That may well be true. Not to my taste then which I accept.

[Poyol]

You mean it's an improvement on the previous websites they have been using on their network? That may well be true. Not to my taste then which I accept.

http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/blackbird is my favourite theme at the moment.
I'm not a web designer - I can get a website up and running though!

A lot of people here are saying it's over and we should move on; it's not over till there is no one being hurt from that particular scheme.


Jason

[Poyol]

Actually, I take it back.

The website is dreadful - on a good website you should have to scroll ... unless it's a forum/blog of course!

Jason

[AshKen1]

Actually, I take it back.

The website is dreadful - on a good website you should have to scroll ... unless it's a forum/blog of course!

Jason

I know nothing about website technical bits, but I just didn't like it. Amateurish is the word that sprang to mind.

[littleroundman]

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/4698/commentym.jpg

[AshKen1]

Having had a look at the Q & A over on Finch's blog I have a question. It's about what Terry says about affiliates being required to run ad campaigns, and I quote


Furthermore, it’s currently being introduced that affiliates must have running campaigns as part of their businesses. This isn’t a ‘sit back and do nothing’ business, this business requires attention in order to work optimally, and since this business is about brokering ad space, it’s important the affiliate understands the business through utilization and application.

That's going to come as a bit of a shock to those affiliates who don't have a [insert word of suitable strength] clue about advertising and thought they'd got a business that will just pay out forever. Wonder how that will be policed. Wonder even more about what'll happen if you don't run campaigns.

Misrepresentation on the business initially?
Confiscated accounts anyone??

[Poyol]

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/4698/commentym.jpg

WOW.
Groundbreaking - bet no one else thought of that!!

[AshKen1]

WOW.
Groundbreaking - bet no one else thought of that!!

We definitely need a sarcasm font on here....


Does anyone know if all the payments to affiliates went through ok? Wondering if Tel's offering is in lieu??

[Brenda]

has anyone else seen this on Finch? Someone posted it there. Wish there was a way of finding out if it's 'our' Smith!

OSC | OSC Proceedings - Before the Commission (http://www.osc.gov.on.ca/en/Proceedings_rad_20090205_imagin.htm)

[Poyol]

has anyone else seen this on Finch? Someone posted it there. Wish there was a way of finding out if it's 'our' Smith!

OSC | OSC Proceedings - Before the Commission (http://www.osc.gov.on.ca/en/Proceedings_rad_20090205_imagin.htm)

I've come across that in the past.
There was no way to link it to THE Chris Smith, so I omitted it.

Jason

[Theseus]

I've come across that in the past.
There was no way to link it to THE Chris Smith, so I omitted it.

Jason

I did some digging into that CS, it's just a coincidence, and by that I mean a genuine coincidence, not like the one where all of SP's clients' websites were registered by the same person, using the phone number, email and postal addresses, despite being in different countries. Or the one where they all share names with other genuine companies in the same field in other countries.

Not a coincidence like that at all.

[path2prosperity]

Rather then put Finix on ignore you should look to learn from her......

Okosh is right about Finix Jason. She is clever but irritating as she uses her brains to argue the toss rather than help in the destruction of ponzis. I would not describe Finix as a mate or a friend but I will describe her as a "clever cow." and a force that should never be underestimated.

If she decides that she wants to help the group to destroy BB she would be a huge asset.

[Brenda]

Okosh is right about Finix Jason. She is clever but irritating as she uses her brains to argue the toss rather than help in the destruction of ponzis. I would not describe Finix as a mate or a friend but I will describe her as a "clever cow." and a force that should never be underestimated.

If she decides that she wants to help the group to destroy BB she would be a huge asset.

curious now, who is this Finix?

[Mundorf]

I need some help.I found this on FinchSells.com regarding Chris Smith.However I am not quite sure is the person our Smith.It seems that some investigation was done against him and some others.Here is the text:

[33] With respect to Smith:

(a) It is hereby ordered, pursuant to section 127 of the Act, that:

i. The Settlement Agreement dated January 15, 2009, between Staff of the Commission and Christopher Smith is approved;

ii. The Respondent is prohibited for five years from becoming or acting as a director or officer of any issuer, registrant or investment fund manager commencing on the date of this order; and,

iii. The Respondent is prohibited for five years from becoming or acting as a registrant commencing on the date of this order.

[Hypanor]

2936

Ha, even Paul 'Da Interrnet' McCarthy likes Finch's blog!

It's a different Paul McCarthy, but never let facts get in the way of a good story.

[Beacon]

2937
This lady seems to know whio is supporting BB advertising.

[Theseus]

2937
This lady seems to know whio is supporting BB advertising.


Mazda must really like BB, they're down on the list twice.


Either that or Clara is an idiot.



Cast your votes.......

[Martin88]

"Help full info on BB Card withdrawals

There has been an upgrade in the system. Due to this upgrade there were some pending withdrawals that got cancelled. Please don't be alarmed to this as we have implemented a new feature to the withdrawal to BB Card.

The following will help explain why the withdrawal was cancelled.

If you are NOTARIZED.
Yes you can withdraw 4 times in a month however you can only make 1 withdrawal every 7 calendar days. for example:

Jan 1st you made a withdrawal
Jan 8th you can make your 2nd withdrawal
Jan 15th you can make your 3rd withdrawal
Jan 22nd you can make your 4th withdrawal

If your withdrawal are under 7 days of each other than the withdrawals with automatically be cancelled.

Hope this answers your concern.

Regards,"

---

So users who want to withdraw the maximum amount now have to place one request every week, but they have to time the request to perfection else the system will revolt and cancel all withdrawals?

Seems legit.

[Theseus]

"Help full info on BB Card withdrawals

There has been an upgrade in the system. Due to this upgrade there were some pending withdrawals that got cancelled. Please don't be alarmed to this as we have implemented a new feature to the withdrawal to BB Card.

The following will help explain why the withdrawal was cancelled.

If you are NOTARIZED.
Yes you can withdraw 4 times in a month however you can only make 1 withdrawal every 7 calendar days. for example:

Jan 1st you made a withdrawal
Jan 8th you can make your 2nd withdrawal
Jan 15th you can make your 3rd withdrawal
Jan 22nd you can make your 4th withdrawal

If your withdrawal are under 7 days of each other than the withdrawals with automatically be cancelled.

Hope this answers your concern.

Regards,"

---

So users who want to withdraw the maximum amount now have to place one request every week, but they have to time the request to perfection else the system will revolt and cancel all withdrawals?

Seems legit.

I'd imagine calling this into question would also fall foul of the t&cs and lead to the account being forfeited....

[AshKen1]

I'd imagine calling this into question would also fall foul of the t&cs and lead to the account being forfeited....

Yes well isn't that the whole point. Forfeit as many accounts as possible as soon as possible, then there may be some money for all the other poor people trying to get money out. No change is it.

[AshKen1]

"Help full info on BB Card withdrawals

There has been an upgrade in the system. Due to this upgrade there were some pending withdrawals that got cancelled. Please don't be alarmed to this as we have implemented a new feature to the withdrawal to BB Card.

The following will help explain why the withdrawal was cancelled.

If you are NOTARIZED.
Yes you can withdraw 4 times in a month however you can only make 1 withdrawal every 7 calendar days. for example:

Jan 1st you made a withdrawal
Jan 8th you can make your 2nd withdrawal
Jan 15th you can make your 3rd withdrawal
Jan 22nd you can make your 4th withdrawal

If your withdrawal are under 7 days of each other than the withdrawals with automatically be cancelled.

Hope this answers your concern.

Regards,"

---

So users who want to withdraw the maximum amount now have to place one request every week, but they have to time the request to perfection else the system will revolt and cancel all withdrawals?

Seems legit.

Hey good article and debunk of TS.

One question no-one asked (maybe you did) is how many affiliates are actually seeking to withdraw money each month? Not all of them are going to be doing that.

Side comment on the 120 odd countries - how many affiliates in each country? Could be 10 in Sweden for example...

[AshKen1]

Mazda must really like BB, they're down on the list twice.


Either that or Clara is an idiot.



Cast your votes.......

Am sure those prestige companies will be highly delighted to be connected to BB. Hope someone will be informing them of this wonderful new opportunity?

[Brenda]

I need some help.I found this on FinchSells.com regarding Chris Smith.However I am not quite sure is the person our Smith.It seems that some investigation was done against him and some others.Here is the text:

[33] With respect to Smith:

(a) It is hereby ordered, pursuant to section 127 of the Act, that:



i. The Settlement Agreement dated January 15, 2009, between Staff of the Commission and Christopher Smith is approved;

ii. The Respondent is prohibited for five years from becoming or acting as a director or officer of any issuer, registrant or investment fund manager commencing on the date of this order; and,

iii. The Respondent is prohibited for five years from becoming or acting as a registrant commencing on the date of this order.

Mundorf, looks like this is a red herring. You;d have to wonder why someone would introduce this red herring, distraction ??

[Brenda]

Mazda must really like BB, they're down on the list twice.


Either that or Clara is an idiot.



Cast your votes.......

she meant toyota toyota ;)

[Brenda]

On a serious note, can't tell you guys how much I enjoy reading your debunking of BB on a technical level. Reading the Finch/Stern exchange, it seems I totally understand Martin's q's/ rebuttal, can't still make head or tail of Stern's. Is it just me???

However, while all this is etching away, hopefully, in the credibility of BB, one thing screams out at me. For a company alleged to be doing this kind of business, at these kinds of levels, would require a huge back office support system. All these intense negotiations with networks would require a team of experts, the massive IT team that could support what is alleged, the amount of customer support needed to attend to 300,000 affiliates, quite simply is NOT coming out of that building in Carlow Court. It's neither currently designed for it, or housing that level of staff.

We have Stern, Hooker, Smith, Dixit, Farquason (sp?) We can find only one job advert for an IT person dating back to Sept 12. When you consider everything else, it's just not believable.

[legalrep]

The entire world economy is a ponzi. So what is the big deal.

[path2prosperity]

curious now, who is this Finix?

Finix has been around the forums for longer than most although she is still a young woman. Her debating skills and talents made a big impression on me when I was a TalkGold Naysyer but she made a fatal mistake when she joined forces with one who calls himself Uncle Festa. Festa is better known here as "festering boil." He has got himself banned from almost all money forums including RS.

Finix and boil still taunt one another on WorldLawDirect but that forum seems to have gone to the dogs so she has joined us. However her coments here usually cause friction which is a pity becuse she could be so much use. I think Eagle and okosh know her better than most. SBM gritted her teeth and showed restraint when I have spoken to her on the telephone and asked her about Finix.

She may have been a member of scam.com and made a name for herself over there.

[Finix]

If she decides that she wants to help the group to destroy BB she would be a huge asset.
There is nothing to destroy. This Titanic is going down on its own. The HYIPers have spoken:


After few questions it even gets bored.
Is like getting stabbed on the next over and over.

This Terry Sterm guy is BS and this is already way over its time.

BB is dead.
MMG - Banners Broker - bannersbroker.com (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=360913&view=findpost&p=7466794)

[path2prosperity]

Nice to hear from you Finix. When you are nice you are very very nice.

[Brenda]

Finix has been around the forums for longer than most although she is still a young woman. Her debating skills and talents made a big impression on me when I was a TalkGold Naysyer but she made a fatal mistake when she joined forces with one who calls himself Uncle Festa. Festa is better known here as "festering boil." He has got himself banned from almost all money forums including RS.

Finix and boil still taunt one another on WorldLawDirect but that forum seems to have gone to the dogs so she has joined us. However her coments here usually cause friction which is a pity becuse she could be so much use. I think Eagle and okosh know her better than most. SBM gritted her teeth and showed restraint when I have spoken to her on the telephone and asked her about Finix.

She may have been a member of scam.com and made a name for herself over there.

oh, ok, thanks for that :)

[noname999]

The entire world economy is a ponzi. So what is the big deal.

Care to explain?

[Theseus]

The entire world economy is a ponzi. So what is the big deal.


I can smell that delicate waft of BB BS comin' this way....

[Finix]

curious now, who is this Finix?
Nobody special. Ex-HYIP gambler, ex-exchanger.

[noname999]

I can smell that delicate waft of BB BS a'comin' this way....

No doubt. I just want to see him explain it.

[Mundorf]

Mundorf, looks like this is a red herring. You;d have to wonder why someone would introduce this red herring, distraction ??

Oh well...it was to good to be truth..:duh: ...men...how many C.S. are on this world?:RpS_ohmy:

[Mundorf]

I can smell that delicate waft of BB BS comin' this way....

....ate least he approved BB is scam...I find it as considerably improvement

[Whip]

Having had a look at the Q & A over on Finch's blog I have a question. It's about what Terry says about affiliates being required to run ad campaigns, and I quote



That's going to come as a bit of a shock to those affiliates who don't have a [insert word of suitable strength] clue about advertising and thought they'd got a business that will just pay out forever. Wonder how that will be policed. Wonder even more about what'll happen if you don't run campaigns.

Misrepresentation on the business initially?
Confiscated accounts anyone??

You were looking at the Q&O.........Questions and obfuscation.

[Della Cate]

The trouble with people on this site - people like me in fact - is that we are all too negative about BB! Here is an entry from a fervent affiliate's website, posted only today:-

Up to now the requests for payments onto the Banners Broker pre-paid Mastercard have been done manually. But from now on they will all be automated, for a maximum of $10,000 per month if the card has been notarised. So this is excellent news and another cog in the wheel of the evolution of this very unique company. $10k per month is quite a lot of money but, I think there are already quite a number in the UK who can, and probably do, draw on that sort of income per month. In fact some might have to
because the maximim allowed on the card account is $10,000 anyway. I know that my introducer, Kathy, had some $10,000 go into her e-Wallet just over the Christmas period and that she has apparentlyh recently sat in a room with some ten UK Banners Broker millionares. So, yes, it is all really happening. As far as I am concerned it means that from the time anyone joins and activates their package it is all just a matter ot time. Obviously in principle the smaller the initial package the longer the account will take to evolve, but it will still happen. I can't think of anything else I have ever come across which has this same certainty of destination.

I just wonder how people can believe this kind of thing....

[Della Cate]

Mr Stern may have said, in his Q&A session with Finch (which was rather more Qs than As in my view) that affiliates had to run advertising campaigns and it is not a get rich quick scheme, but that is noit the message that is going out to and from existing affilates. Here is what one says on his website:-

WHAT IF..

..YOU HAD A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS WHICH:


You could access and work with anywhere in the world, even from the comfort of your iPad or iPhone.


That had:

No physical product.
No need for premises
No customers
No need to sell
No need for staff



That was:

In a global industry of some $600,000,000,000 ($6bn) per annum with projected. growth of 10%-20% per annum.
A proven and working business model.
Completely ethical and legal in some 170 countries around the world.


That:

Gave you a 100% return on your purchase.
Worked with a geometrical progression.



Where you might potentially replace your existing income in 12-24 months.


And you didn’t have to be technically savvy to make it work for you.



UNBELIEVABLE?




BUT WHAT IF IT’S TRUE?


Because it is not unbelievable for those who already have it working for them, and I believe there are several people in the UK who have already become millionaires from their Banners Broker business which I know is a bit mind-blowing, particularly since the company has only been operating for some 2 ¼ years, now with around 300,000 members globally.

[Theseus]

Mr Stern may have said, in his Q&A session with Finch (which was rather more Qs than As in my view) that affiliates had to run advertising campaigns and it is not a get rich quick scheme, but that is noit the message that is going out to and from existing affilates. Here is what one says on his website:-

WHAT IF..

..YOU HAD A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS WHICH:


You could access and work with anywhere in the world, even from the comfort of your iPad or iPhone.


That had:

No physical product.
No need for premises
No customers
No need to sell
No need for staff



That was:

In a global industry of some $600,000,000,000 ($6bn) per annum with projected. growth of 10%-20% per annum.
A proven and working business model.
Completely ethical and legal in some 170 countries around the world.


That:

Gave you a 100% return on your purchase.
Worked with a geometrical progression.



Where you might potentially replace your existing income in 12-24 months.


And you didn’t have to be technically savvy to make it work for you.



UNBELIEVABLE?




BUT WHAT IF IT’S TRUE?


Because it is not unbelievable for those who already have it working for them, and I believe there are several people in the UK who have already become millionaires from their Banners Broker business which I know is a bit mind-blowing, particularly since the company has only been operating for some 2 ¼ years, now with around 300,000 members globally.

His response would probably be that the affiliate simply didn't understand how BB works....

[littleroundman]

I just wonder how people can believe this kind of thing....

They have to,

they have no choice.

For all the huffing and puffing and "Terry Sterns" the reality is, Banners Broker has stopped paying the great majority of its' members

Monitors are still being paid and most shills and pimps are being paid.

For regular members, however, there is only sit and wait.

[Theseus]

Meanwhile at Carlow Ct, a blogger arrives to meet Terry Stern....

2938

[Whip]

His response would probably be that the affiliate simply didn't understand how BB works....

Exactly. He just explained yesterday they are not an advertising company so how can they run advertising campaigns?

[path2prosperity]

How is BB getting on in Romania? I was searching for the shills promoting "the greatest biggest thing in the history of cyberspace" called worldprelaunch and discovered one of them still promoting BannersBroker. Could Otilia Moldovan be a big fish?

I can not give you direct links as there are forwarders on my computer but you can see the woman's ads


Otilia Moldovan Romanian BannersBroker promoter
Type http://www. then adlandpro.com/ad/1427222/Work-for-Banners-Broker-and-get-paid-200.aspx

Otilia Moldovan announcing the greatest thing yet. It is worldprelaunch.
Type http://www then adlandpro.com/ad/1468556/NEW-2013-World-Prelaunch.aspx?index=0&total=7&

More Otilla Moldovan BB ads
type http://www. then adlandpro.com/UserAds/otiliateacher.aspx

[DevaEboracum]

Has the BB Australia Facebook page gone? I can't find it anymore.

[AshKen1]

Has the BB Australia Facebook page gone? I can't find it anymore.

Rather looks as though it has.

Postings on there had become rather less recently, like before Christmas.

One down, a few more to go....

[DevaEboracum]

Rather looks as though it has.

Postings on there had become rather less recently, like before Christmas.

One down, a few more to go....

I was starting to wonder whether I'd been blocked from it for my postings.

There were less postings going on, but they kept removing them as well. Strangely though, I put one on there about it being a ponzi and they left that one on and kept taking others off?? Maybe the person running the page had finally seen the light!

No worries though we've got a screen shot earlier in this thread showing that they were stating they were a Bank / Financial Institution :-)

[Gregg]

I believe there are several people in the UK who have already become millionaires from their Banners Broker business which I know is a bit mind-blowing, particularly since the company has only been operating for some 2 ¼ years

Umm, just a tick, if you can only withdraw $10,000 a month, and it's only been around for 30 months, how can anyone be a millionaire? And while I'm on it, if you're talking about people in the UK, that would be a million pounds, not dollars, which is $1.58 million.

[AshKen1]

Umm, just a tick, if you can only withdraw $10,000 a month, and it's only been around for 30 months, how can anyone be a millionaire? And while I'm on it, if you're talking about people in the UK, that would be a million pounds, not dollars, which is $1.58 million.

Hey Gregg. The people in the UK in BB/BBI/SP are now so used to being told what to do, they speak in dollars! And you are right on the points you raised.

It's all a crock of sh*t. But allegedly there are quite a few millionaires in the UK from BB. Hope they can sleep at night. Especially if POCA applies to them (Proceeds of Crime Act).

[Poyol]

How's everyone on this fine Thursday morning? (GMT)

Jason

[Martin88]

I had a phone call from my mother this morning about her account being suspended (the Mastercard, not her actual BB account).

I then saw this posted on my blog:

"When you logon to BB, there is a brief message ‘BB Prepaid Card suspended’ …. when I logon to vector card services (the company issuing BB cards), the card status is open.

So is this the latest ploy to not pay ? Just suspend members BB cards …."

Followed by this...

Still no payment. Beyond a joke at this stage.
Can’t even get through to support this morning.

It sounds like they're having some 'technical issues'. It would not surprise me if those technical issues turn in to the next excuse for reversed payments on the Mastercard (It's not our fault, it was Vector!). They're getting desperate now.

[Poyol]

I had a phone call from my mother this morning about her account being suspended (the Mastercard, not her actual BB account).

I then saw this posted on my blog:

"When you logon to BB, there is a brief message ‘BB Prepaid Card suspended’ …. when I logon to vector card services (the company issuing BB cards), the card status is open.

So is this the latest ploy to not pay ? Just suspend members BB cards …."

Followed by this...

Still no payment. Beyond a joke at this stage.
Can’t even get through to support this morning.

It sounds like they're having some 'technical issues'. It would not surprise me if those technical issues turn in to the next excuse for reversed payments on the Mastercard (It's not our fault, it was Vector!). They're getting desperate now.

Just hope she doesn't get found to be your mother.

Jason

[Martin88]

She told them that I'm her son in a support ticket last week! I have no idea why...

I think she's worried that she's been suspended on that basis, but I'm not sure if that's the case when other members are reporting the same message.

[StevenHoward]

She told them that I'm her son in a support ticket last week! I have no idea why...

I think she's worried that she's been suspended on that basis, but I'm not sure if that's the case when other members are reporting the same message.

From facebook pages :-

"logged into my bb account, and it said 'account synchronisation'.
As soon as it had synchronised it said 'Banners Broker Pre-Paid Card Suspended.'"


There's at least SIX other people who've said the same thing.

[littleroundman]

Now we have two problems.

One is Banners Broker is using the prepaid cards as yet another reason to not pay it's victims.

Two is, "little old ladies" are now being drawn into international money laundering

I'll say again, at the risk of being even more boring than usual,

HYIP ponzis such as Banners Broker are NOT simply a few good ol' boys playing a harmless "money game"

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/739/prep.gif

Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/23/prepaid-cards-being-used-to-launder_n_865464.html)

[Dreamstealer]

Umm, just a tick, if you can only withdraw $10,000 a month, and it's only been around for 30 months, how can anyone be a millionaire? And while I'm on it, if you're talking about people in the UK, that would be a million pounds, not dollars, which is $1.58 million.
And how many of these millionaires have paid a penny tax on it? None i'm guessing. Any BB millionaires care to prove me wrong?

[Poyol]

And how many of these millionaires have paid a penny tax on it? None i'm guessing. Any BB millionaires care to prove me wrong?

The tax system is a Ponzi! 2939

:chickendance:

Jason

[Theseus]

Now we have two problems.

One is Banners Broker is using the prepaid cards as yet another reason to not pay it's victims.

Two is, "little old ladies" are now being drawn into international money laundering

I'll say again, at the risk of being even more boring than usual,

HYIP ponzis such as Banners Broker are NOT simply a few good ol' boys playing a harmless "money game"

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/739/prep.gif

Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/23/prepaid-cards-being-used-to-launder_n_865464.html)

Technically, anyone withdrawing money from a BB account by any means, whether be it by STP, Payza or or bank transfer is engaging in money laundering under EU law, which lays them wide open to having their money/property seized thanks to the various incarnations of the Proceeds of Crime Act that operate in member states.

[PPBlog]

The story LRM posted above references Robert Hodgins. For additional background, Hodgins reportedly supplied debit cards to the AdSurfDaily Ponzi scheme in its earliest days. His company's name -- Virtual Money Inc. -- is referenced in the original ASD forfeiture complaint/evidence exhibits in August 2008.

The Feds allegedly have evidence on tape of Hodgins discussing a deal by which he'd accept $100,000 to launder money in the Dominican Republic. Beyond that, the Feds say they have evidence that cards supplied by Hodgins were used to offload millions of dollars in narcotics "profits" at ATMs in Medellin, Colombia.

Speaking of Colombia, it also was one of the staging grounds of the infamous David Murcia (DMG) Group pyramid scheme, a collapsed MLM "program" that sparked street riots and may have created 400,000 victims.

As the PPBlog reported three years ago this month on the Murcia/DMG case:

__________________________________________________ _______

His jailers at La Picota prison in Bogota placed him in handcuffs. They wrapped him in a heavy, bullet-proof jacket. From there they took him to the Catam military airport under heavy guard. He was led to a plane owned by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA). Officials made sure that the moments were captured on film and videotape. They were sending a simple message: We will come after you, no matter where you are, even if you pretend you are Robin Hood.

And with that David Eduardo Helmut Murcia Guzman (David Murcia), known as the “Bernie Madoff of Colombia” for his collapsed financial scheme, was whisked to Miami. He’ll be tried in New York on charges of conspiring to launder millions of dollars in narcotics proceeds through his company, D.M.G. Group (DMG), a house of cards propped up by a pyramid-scheme involving debit cards and promises that participants would get back 100 percent of what they paid in and perhaps more.

__________________________________________________ _______

BLOCKBUSTER ARREST: MLM Pyramid Scheme Operator Charged With Laundering Drug Money; David Murcia Extradited From Colombia To Stand Trial In New York (http://www.patrickpretty.com/2010/01/06/blockbuster-arrest-pyramid-scheme-operator-charged-with-laundering-drug-money-david-murcia-extradicted-from-colombia-to-stand-trial-in-new-york/)



Now we have two problems.

One is Banners Broker is using the prepaid cards as yet another reason to not pay it's victims.

Two is, "little old ladies" are now being drawn into international money laundering

I'll say again, at the risk of being even more boring than usual,

HYIP ponzis such as Banners Broker are NOT simply a few good ol' boys playing a harmless "money game"

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/739/prep.gif

Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/23/prepaid-cards-being-used-to-launder_n_865464.html)

[Brenda]

Is there no news at all from McCarthy on his trip to Toronto?
Anything on the forums indicating whether the Cork / Irish affiliates have been or not?
Thought he would have been preaching all the positivity and great times ahead, speeches after his trip?

Why is it so quiet? Is everyone keeping the head down and if so, why?

[StevenHoward]

The BB tour (apparently) goes ahead, look where it's being held at.


The bbtour (http://www.facebook.com/l/jAQG52HVv/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Ffeature%3D player_embedded%26v%3DLGUd-vpCGhk)


Mind you, I don't think anyone's got a ticket yet, they appear to be non existent (for the moment).

[Brenda]

The BB tour (apparently) goes ahead, look where it's being held at.


The bbtour (http://www.facebook.com/l/jAQG52HVv/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Ffeature%3D player_embedded%26v%3DLGUd-vpCGhk)


Mind you, I don't think anyone's got a ticket yet, they appear to be non existent (for the moment).

Steven, tried to open the link but got a warning from Facebook about making sure it's a real account?? Have never seen that before.

[StevenHoward]

Steven, tried to open the link but got a warning from Facebook about making sure it's a real account?? Have never seen that before.

Hmm, me either.

I don't remember seeing it earlier, I used a mac then, but now see it on a Windows machine.

Maybe it's best not to visit the facebook page, here's a link to the account holder "bannersbroker", https://www.youtube.com/user/bannersbroker?feature=watch it's the video entitled "Banners Broker UK tour".

[noname999]

I think some people are jumping the gun here. We may wish that BB is finished but I wouldn't be so hasty as to claim it.

[noname999]

Any sign of Marsh? I'd like to get his thoughts on the state of play now.

[hendyphilhendy]

From the Banners Broker Network Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/bannersbrokernetwork


Affiliates in India now have a reason to celebrate, because we now have a new provider for pay outs who will be able to wrap up the bank deposit slip issue ASAP. The bank option will be removed for India today, but will be made available again in a couple of weeks as we get the system ready for our provider there.

Kind of goes against Terry Stern's we will only use a provider that serves all countries when he trots out the reason for not using Paypal



We are currently about a week behind, but again, now that the changes have been made we are catching up rapidly. Our IT team is constantly working to improve your experiences, and we're sure you'll appreciate their efforts.

Also standard quote of 'about a week behind' agaaaaain!

[Brenda]

From the Banners Broker Network Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/bannersbrokernetwork



Kind of goes against Terry Stern's we will only use a provider that serves all countries when he trots out the reason for not using Paypal




Also standard quote of 'about a week behind' agaaaaain!

oh how they love to compare themselves to google and yahoo. I defy any BB supporter to find on the net, anywhere, google or yahoo making such excuses for not paying their DEBTS in their third year of business! If you liken affiliates to staff members, the analogy seems even worse.

[Della Cate]

Another meeting on Saturday if anyone feels inclined to go.........and remember, "dress code smart"!

David Hooker the Global Compliance Director of Banners Broker is presenting the company opportunity and news about further development in West Bromwich.


BB meeting Saturday the 2nd of February at 6.30 Presentation, training and a special discussion with the Compliance Director of Banners Broker!!!

There will be a lot of exciting News to be announced.

Location.

Park Inn Hotel, Birmingham Road, West Bromwich.
B70 6RS.

Mr. David Hooker Will be the Presenter!!!



Come and see the best Online opportunity on the planet.
Learn to get paid like Google while you sleep!

Dress code: Smart

[Della Cate]

From the BB Netwrok Facebook page, posted an hour ago (apologies if you have seen this):-


(The bold emphasis is mine)

BBI is excited to announce an all new membership option coming soon called Executive. So for those of you looking to grow your business even further, there will now be three options: Standard, Premium and Executive. Aspects of this exciting new Executive option will be released soon, but it'll be worth the wait. (Don't you love being teased?)

With the new membership option there will also be a new panel level launched, called Prestige! There will be no colour with this panel level but rather a pattern to spruce things up. (Matching wardrobe not included)

Affiliates in India now have a reason to celebrate, because we now have a new provider for pay outs who will be able to wrap up the bank deposit slip issue ASAP. The bank option will be removed for India today, but will be made available again in a couple of weeks as we get the system ready for our provider there.

Regarding the panel speeds, we recognize that over the holidays they did not run at the same speed they have throughout the rest of the year, however there's no reason to be alarmed. This is not something under our control, this just has to do with a drop in internet usage, as less people are online at this time of year, but also keep in mind, that panels don't move at real-time. Also BBI does not guarantee any set times for panels to complete, but as the holiday season is now behind us sufficiently, traffic has once again increased across the net, and it will gradually be reflected in the panels.

Payouts have unfortunately fallen behind, but it's also nothing to worry about. We are rapidly catching up in all aspects, Payza, STP, as well as US Bank deposits.

As of Feb 1, 2013, in order to successfully with draw funds to the BB card you will need to have proper ID uploaded to the system. We are now completely up to date on ID approvals.

Here is some exciting news regarding the BB prepaid card. We have moved this system over to a more automated system to quicken the process for withdrawals. We are currently about a week behind, but again, now that the changes have been made we are catching up rapidly. Our IT team is constantly working to improve your experiences, and we're sure you'll appreciate their efforts. There will also be an announcement soon regarding a reverse option for the e-Wallet. There seems to have been a little confusion over this option, so to help alleviate that confusion we have re-worded the payout 'day limit' to read 'calendar days' as opposed to 'work days', which seemed to be the source of that confusion.

That's all for now so stay tuned. We're constantly working to improve your experience with Banners Broker International, and we appreciate your being a part of our family.

[Socrates]

How do these people sleep at night? They buy their holidays and cars and go on about how much they've profited from 'their business' they have built up. At the end of the day it is other people's hard earned money they are spending, no profits to be made. What annoys me most is the majority encourage us to give up our day jobs, invest what we have (earnt from the jobs we stupidly did) and enjoy the easy life. As if we could all live off these imaginary earnings while no one does any (real) work, scum.

Rant over.

[okosh]

Has the BB Australia Facebook page gone? I can't find it anymore.

Smart move...Kinda like taking the time to wipe all finger prints from the getaway car after doing a stick up.....

[Finix]

How do these people sleep at night?
Unless they have some illness that causes sleep disturbances, they sleep the same way you do. For real.


At the end of the day it is other people's hard earned money.
It's an assumption. How do you know it was hard earned? Maybe it was easy money as well.

[Gregg]

this just has to do with a drop in internet usage, as less people are online at this time of year

Umm? What?

First, internet traffic PEAKS every year between Thanksgiving and the end of the year. Are these bozo's that thick?

[EagleOne]

Umm? What?

First, internet traffic PEAKS every year between Thanksgiving and the end of the year. Are these bozo's that thick?

YES they are.

[Socrates]

It's an assumption. How do you know it was hard earned? Maybe it was easy money as well.[/QUOTE]

It was my money he was trying to invest. I assure you it was hard earned.....

[Finix]

It was my money he was trying to invest.
"My money" and "other people's hard earned money" isn't quite the same thing, is it? You made a post in connection with some moralistic trip. My point is the source of money is unknown to the admin, it could be easy money just as well. The people admin would come in direct contact with certainly aren't sweating for their cash.

[Gregg]

"My money" and "other people's hard earned money" isn't quite the same thing, is it? You made a post in connection with some moralistic trip. My point is the source of money is unknown to the admin, it could be easy money just as well. The people admin would come in direct contact with certainly aren't sweating for their cash.

Hard money, easy money..piffle. It's "somebody else's money" that they're stealing that makes it wrong.

[Mundorf]

Unless they have some illness that causes sleep disturbances, they sleep the same way you do. For real.


It's an assumption. How do you know it was hard earned? Maybe it was easy money as well.

Oh,I would not say that.Any other people's money would be hard earned money ( from my point of view) for the simple reason it's not my money and jet I have it