Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

[Lil Ol' Radical Me]

and it was confirmed from the horses mouth in Ireland Yeah, before or after closing time?

[Joe_Shmoe]

why aren't these shills all deaparting from their being really dissapointed at BB.


Because their money is now well and truly trapped. You cannot just walk away from Banners Broker without loosing your money.

They are now throwing good money after bad Monthly subs, TPs etc.

The Banners Broker Defenders Shills & Pimps need Banners Broker not to collapse any-time soon 'cos they desperately hope they can recover their money.

They more than likely won't be able. Many people who can ill-afford it will lose an awful lot of money in the end. (you may be one of them)


Re: Dixit have you ever heard the expression "A leopard can't change its spots"?

[Joe_Shmoe]

I'm not paid to be here posting about BB either!......I just do it because it gives readers an alternative viewpoint.

Maybe not paid directly. (I don't know) But it is very much within your interest that this Ponzi scheme runs for as long as possible.

How much do you stand to lose if Banners Broker collapses?

[noname999]

Maybe not paid directly. (I don't know) But it is very much within your interest that this Ponzi scheme runs for as long as possible.

How much do you stand to lose if Banners Broker collapses?

When it collapses...

[Whip]

All I know about Chris Smith is that he is really a black afro carribean man

Other pictures posted by this scam say otherwise. Surely you didn't overlook them while trolling this thread.

[BB Defender]

Are you serious??.....
If you honestly believe that then you either a newbie without a clue or a complete fool.....
Either way you in for a huge shock....

well there you go just another out and out fact, I am complete fool for believing BB is a real business or a newbie without a a clue.....choices choices
care to state what your evidence is that I am one of these two dear friend?

[noname999]

@BBdef: What research did you do before joining BB?

[BB Defender]

Other pictures posted by this scam say otherwise. Surely you didn't overlook them while trolling this thread.

Well since I have seen the guy for real its hard to believe secondary material posted on the website. I don't think plastic surgery is that advanced yet.

[littleroundman]

care to state what your evidence is

Nope,

next question.

[BB Defender]

Because their money is now well and truly trapped. You cannot just walk away from Banners Broker without loosing your money.

They are now throwing good money after bad Monthly subs, TPs etc.

The Banners Broker Defenders Shills & Pimps need Banners Broker not to collapse any-time soon 'cos they desperately hope they can recover their money.

They more than likely won't be able. Many people who can ill-afford it will lose an awful lot of money in the end. (you may be one of them)


Re: Dixit have you ever heard the expression "A leopard can't change its spots"?


Honestly have you tried the BB business you can take your money out any after it generates a profit, they even give you refund if you are not happy with your original package as with any distance selling business.

[Theseus]

well there you go just another out and out fact, I am complete fool for believing BB is a real business or a newbie without a a clue.....choices choices
care to state what your evidence is that I am one of these two dear friend?

I don't think you're either, I think you're just a troll.

[BB Defender]

Maybe not paid directly. (I don't know) But it is very much within your interest that this Ponzi scheme runs for as long as possible.

How much do you stand to lose if Banners Broker collapses?

well yes if BB collapsed as quickly as tomorrow or within a couple of months I would lose money the amount you will understand is something I prefer not to declare, but I don't think I would cry about it a great deal, I started up a business and if it failed like many other businesses do, you take it with a stiff upper lip.

[BB Defender]

I don't think you're either, I think you're just a troll.

I've looked into the mirror today in the morning I thought I still looked human, but you never know!

listen theseus old boy, I think we got off on the wrong foot and now I get the funny feeling you don't like me. that's dissapointing I always thought you were a sensible fellow.

[noname999]

@BBdef: What research did you do before joining BB?

Seems you missed my question...again...

[BB Defender]

@BBdef: What research did you do before joining BB?

As much as you can do on the net, attending a demo, talking to the affiliates above me. but as I stated there was less research done before I joined as opposed to after I joined.

[noname999]

What did you do on the net? What happened at the demo? What did the affiliates tell you? (this is worse than pulling teeth)

[Joe_Shmoe]

Honestly have you tried the BB business you can take your money out any after it generates a profit, they even give you refund if you are not happy with your original package as with any distance selling business.
Good luck getting a refund from Banners Broker. I have NEVER heared of anybody getting any kind of refund from Banners Broker. People have tried.

I wonder did Terry (from the Joe Duffy radio show in Ireland) get his refund? he was personally promised by Ireland's top guy Paul McCarthy he would have his money back before Christmas. PERSONALLY. We must ask Joe Duffy...

[BB Defender]

Other pictures posted by this scam say otherwise. Surely you didn't overlook them while trolling this thread.

ah so when one defends BB on "realscam is it or isn't it" its trolling, whereas when one posts negative nonsense and behaves like a yes man to the detractors its a positive contribution to the discussion. ummmmm sounds like bias to me.

[noname999]

I am going to try from a different angle:

@BBdef: What due diligence do you normally do before investing in a company?

[Theseus]

I've looked into the mirror today in the morning I thought I still looked human, but you never know!

You know, you're here posting all this "evidence" that BB is a real company, but in truth you haven't come up with anything that points to it being so. The very fact that you can watch that Kul Josun video and try and explain away as a company not wanting to disclose their true business model points to you either being a troll, or in serious denial.

I appreciate that it can be possible for one, or perhaps two, questionable points about a company may be fairly easy to account for, however when everything about the company screams "ponzi" and they company themselves feel the need to start their promotional material with "this is not a ponzi or a scam" then that's invariably what it is.

There isn't one facet of BB, from its method of inception, right through to how it deals with negative press, and everything in between that doesn't raise a red flag and to blindly claim it must be above board because you've had a few (cash) payouts from them belies your claimed age and educational status.

[Whip]

We'd better be careful here, or we'll be flooded with Banners Broker pimps spouting their "dreamstealers" and "haterz" nonsense.

But again..........we're not taking anyone's money and 'stealing their dream'.

[BB Defender]

What did you do on the net? What happened at the demo? What did the affiliates tell you? (this is worse than pulling teeth)

Ok, I will try to explain in more detail from recollection this was all six months ago or more.

Day 1) A close trustworthy friend asked me if I was interested in joining an online business opportunity, so I inquired what it was, how it worked etc....I said yes I would be inetersted but had reservations about the pyramid structure etc, I left it as I would look into it and let him know.
Thereafter) I researched on the net went onto the BB website, watched some peoples youtube vids etc. I thought it seems OK but cant be 100% sure.
Week or so later) Conversed with friend on matter said I will join but after I return from a planned trip abroad.
Month or so later) I went to attend a demo by Ian Driscoll (UK Reseller) in a nearby town, I had reservations about him, but was impressed by professional sounding affiliate who worked for an investment company, he said he normally traded with Forex etc and was trying BB out as a more stable alternative. Many questions fired at him as he seemed more trustworthy than Driscoll, he responded honestly and didnt sound like a trained confidence trickster.
Thereafter) I registered and put some money in to BB to start up my BB business.

Thats brings me to the point of joining.

[noname999]

Finally! We are getting somewhere!

What was the name of this professional sounding affiliate? What investment company did he work for?

[BB Defender]

You know, you're here posting all this "evidence" that BB is a real company, but in truth you haven't come up with anything that points to it being so. The very fact that you can watch that Kul Josun video and try and explain away as a company not wanting to disclose their true business model points to you either being a troll, or in serious denial.

I appreciate that it can be possible for one, or perhaps two, questionable points about a company may be fairly easy to account for, however when everything about the company screams "ponzi" and they company themselves feel the need to start their promotional material with "this is not a ponzi or a scam" then that's invariably what it is.

There isn't one facet of BB, from its method of inception, right through to how it deals with negative press, and everything in between that doesn't raise a red flag and to blindly claim it must be above board because you've had a few (cash) payouts from them belies your claimed age and educational status.

Kul was kicked out of BB for misdemeanors against the organisation, why kick him out if everybody is corrupt?

and since he is out what does the mention of him or anything he said prove? Good companies get rid of bad management, just look at us here in the UK, the BBC is such a world renowned organisation but the management are being kicked out for being idiots.

Is it me that's blindly claiming or you blindly bringing forth stuff that is out of context and does not prove anything either.

So far on this thread I have not lied about anything on BB, I have refuted and requested evidence and been sarcastic and rude to people who were sarcastic and rude to me.

[Whip]

Well since I have seen the guy for real its hard to believe secondary material posted on the website. I don't think plastic surgery is that advanced yet.

So now banners broker is posting 'secondary material? Why would they do that?

And during your alleged 'due diligence' it didn't cross your mind that these other scammers are lying by first presenting a white person as owner, wizard, grand puba 'chris smith' and now you allegedly have met a black person (and the new pics of a black man) is this elusive owner, wizard, grand puba 'chris smith'? Apparently you are wrong about plastic surgery as proven by the scammers you worship and lose money to.

[Whip]

ah so when one defends BB on "realscam is it or isn't it" its trolling, whereas when one posts negative nonsense and behaves like a yes man to the detractors its a positive contribution to the discussion. ummmmm sounds like bias to me.

No. You're just a troll who hasn't answered any questions and just posts more rhetoric.

[BB Defender]

Finally! We are getting somewhere!

What was the name of this professional sounding affiliate? What investment company did he work for?

Honestly I said six months ago, can you tell me the name and details of people you met in a meeting of over 50 people for a couple of hours over six months ago?

I don't remember his name or his companies name. I don't even remember clearly if I looked him up on the net, although my normal approach to things would mean that i did, all I remember now was that I was happy that he wasn't lying about who he was.

[BB Defender]

No. You're just a troll who hasn't answered any questions and just posts more rhetoric.

Yes well your just another anonymous hater.

[noname999]

You just said yourself that he made a lasting impression. Now you are saying you can't remember his name. You can remember Driscoll's name. And to claim that you don't even remember if you looked him up on the net is very very hard to believe.

[noname999]

So to summarise your 'due diligence' before joining BB:

You watched some youtube videos.
You took the word of a stranger that it was a good company(at a recruitment drive).
You took the word of people who had a vested interest in you joining.
You looked at the website(was it down when you went to look?)

Did I miss anything?

[Theseus]

Kul was kicked out of BB for misdemeanors against the organisation, why kick him out if everybody is corrupt?

and since he is out what does the mention of him or anything he said prove? Good companies get rid of bad management, just look at us here in the UK, the BBC is such a world renowned organisation but the management are being kicked out for being idiots.

Is it me that's blindly claiming or you blindly bringing forth stuff that is out of context and does not prove anything either.

So far on this thread I have not lied about anything on BB, I have refuted and requested evidence and been sarcastic and rude to people who were sarcastic and rude to me.

Ah, yes that's an interesting point, I'm glad you raised it. Kul Josun wasn't "management", he is allegedly the joint founder of BB, yet he was "kicked out"? Not only that, he appears to have simply gone without a fight. No legal action, no recriminations in the press, nothing. He simply left.

Only to return a few months later as his alter ego "Kurt Kornelson".

Scroll forward to last week, and there's Ian Driscoll, "independent contractor" who handles the company's operation in the UK. In an eerily similar situation, with no warning his contact is suddenly terminated, no replacement lined up, BB simply sack their national representative and come out with some mumbled nonsense about appointing someone to replace him "in January".

As I've said ad infinitum, there's nothing about this company that corresponds to the actions of an above board organisation. Nothing.

[littleroundman]

Kul was kicked out of BB for misdemeanors against the organisation, why kick him out if everybody is corrupt?

No, let's be completely accurate here.

You only "know" Kul is out because Banners Broker "SAID" Kul is out.

True Due Diligence is not accepting ANYTHING being "said" without independent verification.

You've seen pictures and you've seen statements ALL OF THEM ORIGINATING FROM BANNERS BROKER

Bill Gates exists outside of Microsoft.

Dentsu, Omnicrom Group, WPP Group, Publicis Groupe S.A. and Interpublic Group are the worlds top Advertising Agenciesand ALL of them exist outside of the advertising world and their own PR releases.

YOU SIMPLY DON'T KNOW.

You're simply regurgitating what you've been "told" by the very people who have set out to take your money.

You see a picture, you're told it is "Chris Smith" and you simply accept it is true.

You are shown a separate picture taken at a different location, told it's "Chris Smith" and you think it HAS to be "Chris Smith" because 2 people have now said it is.

Never mind the fact that no one has ever heard of "Chris Smith" and any details about his history and background came out of his own mouth.

Imagine if some guy walked up to you in the street and said:


"Hi, you've never heard of me before, but my name is Chris Smith and I'm an internet marketing guru. Send me some money and I'll promise to make you more money than you've ever made before. Oh, and don't send it via a bank or any other traceable means, instead send it off via a payment processor you've also never heard of before. And, while you're at it, send as many means of identification as you can lay your hands on. Don't worry about it falling into the hands of criminal types, I would never let that happen

Trust me, would I lie to you ??

Still, reading your defense of Banners Broker, you probably WOULD do as he asked and utter some meaningless gibberish motivational quote like:

"nothing ventured, nothing gained"

[ProfHenryHiggins]

Ok, I will try to explain in more detail from recollection this was all six months ago or more.

Day 1) A close trustworthy friend asked me if I was interested in joining an online business opportunity, so I inquired what it was, how it worked etc....I said yes I would be inetersted but had reservations about the pyramid structure etc, I left it as I would look into it and let him know.
Thereafter) I researched on the net went onto the BB website, watched some peoples youtube vids etc. I thought it seems OK but cant be 100% sure.
Week or so later) Conversed with friend on matter said I will join but after I return from a planned trip abroad.
Month or so later) I went to attend a demo by Ian Driscoll (UK Reseller) in a nearby town, I had reservations about him, but was impressed by professional sounding affiliate who worked for an investment company, he said he normally traded with Forex etc and was trying BB out as a more stable alternative. Many questions fired at him as he seemed more trustworthy than Driscoll, he responded honestly and didnt sound like a trained confidence trickster.
Thereafter) I registered and put some money in to BB to start up my BB business.

Thats brings me to the point of joining.


Real con men don't sound or act like the stereotypes shown in movies or TV. If they did, they wouldn't be successful as confidence artists. In order to swindle people, they have to be able to get their confidence, thus, betraying what they are is not in their best interests.

[Theseus]

Honestly I said six months ago, can you tell me the name and details of people you met in a meeting of over 50 people for a couple of hours over six months ago?

I don't remember his name or his companies name. I don't even remember clearly if I looked him up on the net, although my normal approach to things would mean that i did, all I remember now was that I was happy that he wasn't lying about who he was.


I'll tell you his name then, according to Driscoll he's called "Steve" and is "number 3" top investment banker in the UK. According to David Tree he is "Steven" and the number 3 investment banker "in the world" and a former Merrill Lynch whizzkid who handles multi-billion dollar clients.

It's interesting that the stories change depending whose pitch you're listening to, same with the "top 10 broker" nonsense, Tree gets it right, Driscoll can't even remember that lie and says "top 9". Not hugely significant in itself, but it does rather suggest it's all a load of porkies, ones whose use coincide with the arrival of David Hooker.


Neither Tree or Driscoll seem to be willing to divulge "Steve's" surname though. Essentially all you have is some guy (presumably) in a suit telling you he's a financial god, well here's some news for you, that's how confidence scams work.

Unless any of these claims can be verified then they are worth absolutely nothing.

[BB Defender]

No, let's be completely accurate here.

You only "know" Kul is out because Banners Broker "SAID" Kul is out.

True Due Diligence is not accepting ANYTHING being "said" without independent verification.

You've seen pictures and you've seen statements ALL OF THEM ORIGINATING FROM BANNERS BROKER

Bill Gates exists outside of Microsoft.

Dentsu, Omnicrom Group, WPP Group, Publicis Groupe S.A. and Interpublic Group are the worlds top Advertising Agenciesand ALL of them exist outside of the advertising world and their own PR releases.

YOU SIMPLY DON'T KNOW.

You're simply regurgitating what you've been "told" by the very people who have set out to take your money.

You see a picture, you're told it is "Chris Smith" and you simply accept it is true.

You are shown a separate picture taken at a different location, told it's "Chris Smith" and you think it HAS to be "Chris Smith" because 2 people have now said it is.

Never mind the fact that no one has ever heard of "Chris Smith" and any details about his history and background came out of his own mouth.

Imagine if some guy walked up to you in the street and said:



Still, reading your defense of Banners Broker, you probably WOULD do as he asked and utter some meaningless gibberish motivational quote like:

"nothing ventured, nothing gained"

Ok so I think I have done enough now to at least to provide an alternative viewpoint on this thread, to even things out a little, which is really all I wanted to do. Its been a good weeks work.

Let the readers decide what they will regarding BB using the different viewpoints presented by myself and yourselves

the fight was a bit unfair since there were so many of you against just little old me but I think I have provided some food for thought if not for a pack of hyenas.

goodbye and good luck (Beacon, whip, theseus, noname999, littleroundman, okosh, baylee, gandalf or was it muldorf (who cares the hooded guy sucking on the weed)
its been a good discussion although a bit distasteful with regards the insults, but its time to move onto better and bigger threads now.

BB Defender.....Signing out for good.

[littleroundman]

yada, yada, yada

BB Defender.....Signing out for good.

Translation for those who don't speak or understand PONZISHILLeze:

ooops, those questions are a bit to close to the bone, so, discretion being the better part of valour, I think I'll beat a hasty retreat before someone hands me my a** on a plate, yet AGAIN.

[samuel.r]

I'm sorry but the various talk of due diligence in the last few pages here is missing the mark. I've been involved in a couple of business acquisitions in the past, and while the due diligence for something like that is well beyond what you would do before investing in a passive income opportunity, there is one basic thing that you need to do as step #1 in any research: Validate the products or services being offered.

I tried, personally, as an advertiser with BB and could not get past the canned response of "our ad sales executives do not take phone calls, you need to raise a support ticket".

Additionally, see the 'horror story' link in my signature.

Banners Broker is NOT in any way, shape, or form connected to the online advertising industry. This is the most compelling evidence available until BB keels over, dead.

You guys can argue with The Defender all you want, he is playing with you at this point.

[littleroundman]

You guys can argue with The Defender all you want, he is playing with you at this point.

With the greatest respect, samuel, but I think you're assuming posters here are actually speaking "to" BB Defender, when, in fact, we're talking "through" him.

Speaking strictly for myself here, I am under no illusion that what's being said here is making very little difference to Banners Broker itself.

I long ago learned that attempting to use "common sense" and/or logic when speaking to HYIP ponzi promoters, shills and true believers is akin to attempting to explain the Big Bang Theory to a Kalihari tribesman who has "proof" the sun does, in fact, rise in the East and set in the west.

As I've pointed out before, REALSCAM.com (www.realscam.com) was here before Banners Broker and BB Defender and will be here long after Banners Broker has gone the way of all HYIP ponzi frauds.

Our mission is not to "save the world" nor do I or any of the admins wear a cape and have our underpants on the outside of our tights.

If ONE reader comes to understand "due diligence" is not what HYIP ponzi promoters would have them believe, ONE person thinks twice before investing in a HYIP ponzi or cash gifting scheme and ONE person looks just that little bit harder at the MLM "opportunity" we have done what we set out to do.

[Nourjan]

So to summarise your 'due diligence' before joining BB:

You watched some youtube videos.
You took the word of a stranger that it was a good company(at a recruitment drive).
You took the word of people who had a vested interest in you joining.
You looked at the website(was it down when you went to look?)

Did I miss anything?


I'm guessing this is how BB gets most of its victims affiliates.

[Theseus]

Roger!!!

2403

Not talking to us any more?

:watching_you:

:RpS_wink:

[okosh]

Ok, I will try to explain in more detail from recollection this was all six months ago or more.

Day 1) A close trustworthy friend asked me if I was interested in joining an online business opportunity, so I inquired what it was, how it worked etc....I said yes I would be inetersted but had reservations about the pyramid structure etc, I left it as I would look into it and let him know.
Thereafter) I researched on the net went onto the BB website, watched some peoples youtube vids etc. I thought it seems OK but cant be 100% sure.
Week or so later) Conversed with friend on matter said I will join but after I return from a planned trip abroad.
Month or so later) I went to attend a demo by Ian Driscoll (UK Reseller) in a nearby town, I had reservations about him, but was impressed by professional sounding affiliate who worked for an investment company, he said he normally traded with Forex etc and was trying BB out as a more stable alternative. Many questions fired at him as he seemed more trustworthy than Driscoll, he responded honestly and didnt sound like a trained confidence trickster.
Thereafter) I registered and put some money in to BB to start up my BB business.

Thats brings me to the point of joining.

Well that's more then enough due diligence for me.....Where do I sign up??.......

[littleroundman]

Well that's more then enough due diligence for me.....Where do I sign up??.......

I'll tell you what,

BB Defenders' version of what constitutes "due diligence" sure gives a different perspective on how easy it is for some people to get taken in by one of these things.

"didn't sound like a trained confidence trickster" will go down as one of the funniest due diligence criteria I think I've heard.

How many "trained confidence tricksters" does one have to hear before you know what one sounds like, I wonder

[okosh]

I'll tell you what,

BB Defenders' version of what constitutes "due diligence" sure gives a different perspective on how easy it is for some people to get taken in by one of these things.

"didn't sound like a trained confidence trickster" will go down as one of the funniest due diligence criteria I think I've heard.

How many "trained confidence tricksters" does one have to hear before you know what one sounds like, I wonder

See LRM.....I said that BB defender was just a newbie.....The kids got no idea what he's got himself into....

Funny though how fast he wanted to exit from here once the game was up and his BS was exposed......

[StevenHoward]

Bottom line is you havent bothered to look hard enough, you haven't attended a conference, you haven't visited the canadian offices or the reseller offices any where else so yes you can say all that you say but its just your feelings. Why dont you visit offices above and see if BB do actually use it.

Hi again BB Defender, I didn't bother to address your 7 or 8 points you made on the previous page as they've been addressed elsewhere in this thread.

The 11 points I made are all common sense questions that should be considered by anyone investing in BB, please go back and think DEEPLY with an open mind about them. I'm not asking you to change your mind, I'm asking you to just consider the points with an open one. If you do I'm pretty sure alarm bells will start ringing if you're honest with yourself.

I think we can now add Point 12 : Who has visited the Canadian head office, the Irish one, or the Manchester one (when it ***opens***), the answer at the moment is **NOBODY**. A short youtube clip of the office from the outside, a walk through reception, then showing the hub of activity inside the office would go some way to allaying peoples fears and is very very easily accomplished.

[littleroundman]

See LRM.....I said that BB defender was just a newbie.....The kids got no idea what he's got himself into....

Funny though how fast he wanted to exit from here once the game was up and his BS was exposed......

Yep, I got that one wrong.

No HYIP ponzi shill or pimp could possibly come up with: "he didn't sound like a trained confidence trickster" and expect to be taken seriously

[Beacon]

If it is a legal requirement that for BB to continue with its business it needed to declare all you say it needs to declare then logically thinking it would no longer be trading as the authorities would have shut it down? Private limited companies need only submit their company reports and accounts to the companies house or equivalent in Canada, ...

hey littleroundman what went wrong why is BB still around?, your predictions seem as faulty as your subsequent intel on BB.

Well as it happens Canadian corporations did strike off a company it seems because it failed to file returns and it no doubt will do so again

The Name of the company was Kibotec Inc.
https://www.ic.gc.ca/app/scr/cc/CorporationsCanada/fdrlCrpDtls.html?corpId=7325568

It was liquidated for guess what - "non compliance" under section 212 of this
CanLII - Canada Business Corporations Act, RSC 1985, c C-44 (http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/stat/rsc-1985-c-c-44/latest/)

Maybe Raj should have talked to his head of "compliance" ?.....

Jeff Mukadi | LinkedIn (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jeff-mukadi/25/781/214)

Who in 2010


- Conceived and formulated the entire compliance framework and all related policies and procedures for these entities
- Analyzed the companies’ business plans, objective and strategies and created from scratch compliance controls in light of Canadian PIPEDA and other countries’ privacy laws
- Monitored the businesses to identify situations that require input from external legal counsel and reported to senior management
- Conducted due diligence analysis on new business initiatives or plans and other transactions to ensure compliance with privacy related regulation and legislation in Canada and elsewhere
- Guided and trained provincial offices and foreign representations on the development and maintenance of compliance controls with full accountability and responsibility for the program management
- Researched and tracked legal and regulatory requirements and formulated changes or amendments to companies’ policies and procedures
- Drafted privacy policy, license agreements and rules and regulations for sales persons in accordance with personal information protection Acts and other relevant statutes


Having done all that Jeff departed. Within 12 months Raj successfully ran Kibotec - > into the ground!

[StevenHoward]

I think you'll like this guys.

We all know that the BB site has been more or less suspended/down for a while, maybe it was really planned "maintenance", while they created their new Buzinga site, its not that complicated and should have taken a competent programmer/designer a relatively short period of time to put together.

Unless of course the "programmer" used a template of some sort, like oh I don't know, rt_mercado.

That's why the Buzinga website looks remarkably like this one http://joomluck.com/images/stories/RT_Mercado.jpg

Here's a demo Joomla Templates - RocketTheme Joomla Templates Club Demo Site (http://demo.rockettheme.com/?template=mercado)

The contact page of rockettheme :- Contact RocketTheme (http://www.rockettheme.com/contact-us)

Maybe someone could fill out the form and ask them if "Buzinga" purchased this template, there are hundreds of links from filesharing sites which are easy to find, the original paid for file is much harder to find (go try it yourself).

I'd rather not fill out the form myself, don't want to leave my ipaddress. As I stated earlier, I'm doing my best to remain "inside" BB, talkingbb, the FB forums etc.

[Beacon]

The point being that the picture was taken before BB moved into it.

So where is the picture of the hundred employees when they did move in? Or an internal picture of the offices with all these people there?
and you mentioned when you were doing your "research" you decided to ignore the criminal past of Dixit because he had a plan. But Kibotec had a plan in 2011 and by 2012 it was struck off the companier register and dissolved for non complaince. How does that affect your "research" into Raj Dixit's past?

[Beacon]

I did a little research, trusted the person referring me and took a risk based on my own reasoning. I don't think I would have done anymore before starting up any other business, it wasn't a huge monetary risk.


This would make a wonderful signature line in any scam discussion forum. It seems to fit the demographic of any scammers target audience.

[Beacon]

well yes if BB collapsed as quickly as tomorrow or within a couple of months I would lose money the amount you will understand is something I prefer not to declare, but I don't think I would cry about it a great deal, I started up a business and if it failed like many other businesses do, you take it with a stiff upper lip.

Another perfect demographic fit for the sig file ! Many victims of scams are to embarassed to admit it or even believe they deserve to be scammed. Now to take this to the logical conclusion:
Would you criticise Jews for crying about the Holocaust - after all they were born Jewish weren't they? And nobody forced them to live in Poland or Russia did they? Or just maybe they were perhaps victims of Nazi exploitation and greed? Now you might think we should research this and look at it with a balanced view but I'd really go for the Nazi greed answer. And even if you show me a few Jews who made money or became richer after WWII I think I'd still believe that the vast majority were exploited.

[Beacon]

talking to the affiliates above me. .

What do you mean by "above me"?

[StevenHoward]

I started up a business and if it failed like many other businesses do, you take it with a stiff upper lip.

Have you ever been in business BBD ?, I very much doubt it.

Many many businesses fail, especially with this recession, but one thing you do not do is simply "take it with a stiff upper lip".

Just remember, you are (partially) morally and possibly legally responsible for the other affiliates you introduced to BB, so when you "take it with a stiff upper lip", there's more than YOU to think about.

[Dreamstealer]

Happy Christmas everyone. All BB businessmen who are worried about their tax bill ~contact your bank to enter a debt factoring agreement. That will ease cash flow problems. You will need to persuade them it is a business so show them
the "due diligence" you did. That should work a treat. Or not.

[noname999]

You guys can argue with The Defender all you want, he is playing with you at this point.

Hi Sam. Been a while!

To be honest, there was no arguing. Of course it was a long drawn out episode but the exercise was purely to show the potential BB members(not the ones already joined) how ridiculous the idea is. I think BBdef has done more damage in the last few pages than he could have ever imagined. I consider it a nice little Christmas present for all the potential BB victims that now will run a mile rather than put money in this scam.

I think his validation:
'he didn't look like a confidence trickster' will haunt him for quite a while.

Also the fact it was obvious to all that he was lying did him(and BB) no favours.

[noname999]

Roger!!!

2403

Not talking to us any more?

:watching_you:

:RpS_wink:

Come on Roger. Don't be scared. You can't do any worse than BBdef....

[littleroundman]

How many members is Banners Broker claiming to have on it's books ??

How many potential Banners Broker members read the forum ???

What are the chances a single approach will "reach" all of the members and/or all of the potential members ??

Some posters here favour a logical, evidence based approach.

Others find emphasizing the absurd works equally well, if not better.

Others again have seen a squillion HYIP ponzi frauds before Banners Broker and find "logic" and "evidence" don't work at all well, ESPECIALLY when we have nothing to offer and Banners Broker is offering easy cash.

Many posters here have nothing but contempt for those behind these HYIP ponzi frauds and little or no tolerance when "ignorance" turns into "WILFUL" ignorance such as that displayed by BB Defender.

Different strokes for different folks is never truer than when applied to the numbers of people being suckered into the HYIP ponzi scene.

[noname999]

Ok so I think I have done enough now to at least to provide an alternative viewpoint on this thread, to even things out a little, which is really all I wanted to do. Its been a good weeks work.

You don't believe this so don't expect anyone else to.


Let the readers decide what they will regarding BB using the different viewpoints presented by myself and yourselves
Couldn't agree more. Although from the last few pages, they will be running a mile rather than investing in this scam...and thats mainly thanks to your handy work. You must be so proud.



the fight was a bit unfair since there were so many of you against just little old me but I think I have provided some food for thought if not for a pack of hyenas.



I agree with you here. Maybe you could convince others from the pro BB side to post here. I know I for one would appreciate it.

[littleroundman]

I think I have provided some food for thought if not for a pack of hyenas.

Hey, let's not be dissing hyenas here.

Hyenas do a very good job of cleaning up carrion and rotting rubbish.

Hmmnn,

come to think of it, maybe "a pack of hyenas" is the right description for us.

[AshKen1]

Translation for those who don't speak or understand PONZISHILLeze:

ooops, those questions are a bit to close to the bone, so, discretion being the better part of valour, I think I'll beat a hasty retreat before someone hands me my a** on a plate, yet AGAIN.

Seems that this little ol' thread seems to be a major thorn in the BB side as they keep on sending people over to jump in. Seeing both sides is really valid, but I agree that all the defenders seem to do is dig a bigger hole than before.

Am signing off as this may start to sound like drivel simply because I'm drinking pink champagne on Christmas Day. Have a good one folks

:RpS_smile:

[Beacon]

Hey, let's not be dissing hyenas here.

Hyenas do a very good job of cleaning up carrion and rotting rubbish.

Hmmnn,

come to think of it, maybe "a pack of hyenas" is the right description for us.

Sorry for the pedantry but...
Actually I think a "cackle" is the correct terminology
San Diego Zoo: Animal group names (http://www.sandiegozoo.org/animalbytes/got_questions_groups_list.html)
as opposed to maybe a "knot" of BB managers?

[SwissSkyBlue]

Merry Christmas one and all.

A question to the legal types if I may (I am an accountant, not a lawyer);
It concerns this practice of freezing the accounts and taking away the assets of anyone who bad-mouths BB.
Now, from my non-legal standpoint, that surely equates to theft on the part of BB does it not?
If I have an account with a bank, and then I publicly bad-mouth that bank, they can decide they do not want to do business with me, in which case they would close my account and pay out the proceeds either in cash or to another bank account of my choosing, and they would do that within days (and not months if at all!).
If the bank just closed my account and confiscated my assets, they would very quickly find themselves in court for theft, and that, I assume, would apply to just about any country in the world that wasn't run by dictators or religious fanatics.
So how can BB get away with just freezing peoples accounts and then confiscating their assets. It may well be in their Terms and Conditions, but such Terms and Conditions are not legally supportable if their terms and conditions do not comply with the laws of the countries they are operating in.
Am I thinking correctly here, or am I missing something.

This, for me, is a huge classic indicator of a scam - acting in a manner that no proper and legal business would or could act. The same with the payment methods and delays. Why not use bank accounts if this is genuine business? That alone was enough for me to shout "SCAM" as loud as I could. Why do people not see these clear indicators that BB are acting in ways that no legitimate business would ever act, and even worse, why do they then try to defend the clearly indefensible?

It is beyond me that people fall for this when a small modicum of sense would tell them immediately that this cannot be a legitimate business. I am talking about the genuine victims here, not those who cynically went into BB knowing what it was and with full intent to defraud as many people as possible to get rich as fast as possible before it all inevitably collapses.
What I also do not understand is the failiure of authorities to act quickly and decisively to stop these scams and bring the instigators and the main hangers-on to justice. Also, why are people like Dixit, known scam operators, even allowed to start new scams without the appropriate authorities jumping on it?
Surely the authorities are almost as much to blame for the continuing existence of scams like BB as the scammers themselves?

End of rant (for the time being!)

[Theseus]

Sorry for the pedantry but...
Actually I think a "cackle" is the correct terminology
San Diego Zoo: Animal group names (http://www.sandiegozoo.org/animalbytes/got_questions_groups_list.html)
as opposed to maybe a "knot" of BB managers?

I believe the actual term is a "theft" of BB managers....

[noname999]

A question to the legal types if I may (I am an accountant, not a lawyer);
It concerns this practice of freezing the accounts and taking away the assets of anyone who bad-mouths BB.
Now, from my non-legal standpoint, that surely equates to theft on the part of BB does it not?
If I have an account with a bank, and then I publicly bad-mouth that bank, they can decide they do not want to do business with me, in which case they would close my account and pay out the proceeds either in cash or to another bank account of my choosing, and they would do that within days (and not months if at all!).
If the bank just closed my account and confiscated my assets, they would very quickly find themselves in court for theft, and that, I assume, would apply to just about any country in the world that wasn't run by dictators or religious fanatics.
So how can BB get away with just freezing peoples accounts and then confiscating their assets. It may well be in their Terms and Conditions, but such Terms and Conditions are not legally supportable if their terms and conditions do not comply with the laws of the countries they are operating in.
Am I thinking correctly here, or am I missing something

I have asked myself the same question over and over. For the posters here who have had their bb account suspended, have you made an official complaint to the police?

[Beacon]

Merry Christmas one and all.

A question to the legal types if I may (I am an accountant, not a lawyer);
It concerns this practice of freezing the accounts and taking away the assets of anyone who bad-mouths BB.
Now, from my non-legal standpoint, that surely equates to theft on the part of BB does it not?
If I have an account with a bank, and then I publicly bad-mouth that bank, they can decide they do not want to do business with me, in which case they would close my account and pay out the proceeds either in cash or to another bank account of my choosing, and they would do that within days (and not months if at all!).


No they can't. You could bad mouth a bank and they could sue you for defamation but they would probably not have the authority to close your account.



If the bank just closed my account and confiscated my assets, they would very quickly find themselves in court for theft, and that, I assume, would apply to just about any country in the world that wasn't run by dictators or religious fanatics.
So how can BB get away with just freezing peoples accounts and then confiscating their assets. It may well be in their Terms and Conditions, but such Terms and Conditions are not legally supportable if their terms and conditions do not comply with the laws of the countries they are operating in.


what they are doing is no doubt illegal. But the point is they arent "freezing" accounts. the money is already gone in most cases. They already took it. all you see is "virtual " money. Some large early players may get to take money out so that smaller
later investors think they will make money.



Am I thinking correctly here, or am I missing something.


Eh. No. It is basically stealing from loads of later "investors" and giving their money to one or two early iones and keeping the rest for whoever is operating the scheme.



This, for me, is a huge classic indicator of a scam - acting in a manner that no proper and legal business would or could act. The same with the payment methods and delays. Why not use bank accounts if this is genuine business? That alone was enough for me to shout "SCAM" as loud as I could. Why do people not see these clear indicators that BB are acting in ways that no legitimate business would ever act, and even worse, why do they then try to defend the clearly indefensible?


There is no law against stupidity.


It is beyond me that people fall for this when a small modicum of sense would tell them immediately that this cannot be a legitimate business. I am talking about the genuine victims here, not those who cynically went into BB knowing what it was and with full intent to defraud as many people as possible to get rich as fast as possible before it all inevitably collapses.


You didnt read cvhapter four of the book I recommended di you? But please do the quiz on page 10 first before you read it.
http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAuthoritarians.pdf


What I also do not understand is the failiure of authorities to act quickly and decisively to stop these scams and bring the instigators and the main hangers-on to justice.


that would not be a strictly legal issue no pun intended. It would be an enforcement issue which in turn involves legal juristiction prima faciae evidence. Warrents ( which require courts). Intrajuristictional co ordination. And a lotof statements, trails of evidence etc. Even acting on scammers and tax dodgers takes up a lot of tax payers time and money.
You see a scammer a terrorist or a criminal doesnt have to follow the law or care about it but the authorities MUST follow the law or they may get their case dismissed. It isnt for the state to act like criminals would.



Also, why are people like Dixit, known scam operators, even allowed to start new scams without the appropriate authorities jumping on it?


Well that would be a question for the legal Authorities in Canada to answer. I assume they have very lax laws on registration of company Directors.



Surely the authorities are almost as much to blame for the continuing existence of scams like BB as the scammers themselves?


Probably true. They should at least block people from being directors or shareholdres in the future.

[Della Cate]

I'm guessing this is how BB gets most of its victims affiliates.

Hello everyone and Happy Christmas!

Re the above (and BB Defender's original postr), here's what i think....

It's good to carry out "due diligence" and do your research. Fine. But in my opinion people thinking about putting money into BB ought to ask just two basic questions before committing themselves or their money. Two easy questions which are:-

1. Is it likely, and
2. Why?

The second is the most important. You see, from what I've gathered from various sites, we are told that this Chris Smith character, who I have seen described as an "IT genius" and astute businessman, discovered the BB "system" which was new and revolutionary. Now if that was me, I would look for some serious investors so I could develop this idea and bring it properly to market somewhere down the line and make myself and my investors some serious money.

But this is not what happens.

Instead, Chris Smith and chums decide, no doubt out of the goodness of their hearts, to give the "little guy" a chance, and so they start peddling their idea on the internet and in places like Exeter and Dublin. They seek out small time investors who can invest perhaps small, but regular [their monthly "administration fees" and the cost of their "traffic packs"] amounts.

Why? Why would they do that? What is the advantage for them? Is it likely that they are god guys who want to spread their largess worldwide.....or do they rely on the small, non technical investor who won't know what questions to ask? Indeed, I have seen one BB affiliate's website boasting that the beauty of BB is that it is aimed at the non technical man or woman in the street. So ask yourself, if this is truly the case, why is this?

I have my own views on this. Put it under the spotlight of common sense and ask yourself what is likely.

Look too at all the unaswered questions and contradictions.

Look at the fact that they are closed down now until 2nd January 2013.

Ask yourslef, if it is truly an honest business, from what I have heard of its practices (people not getting paid for weeks, websites going down for hours at a time, people having their account closed and assets seized just because they say negative things about the business) is this the sort of business I want to put my money into?

I am trying to be fair here and take a balanced view. Just ask yourself WHY all these things keep happening!

Sorry if this is not too clear, but it is Christmas Day after all and maybe I'm not thinking as clearly as I might be!!

[Mundorf]

]

You're simply regurgitating what you've been "told" by the very people who have set out to take your money.

"nothing ventured, nothing gained"

The battle is over but if you ask me it was not a real discussion....BB defender saw himself taking others money - from this momment NOTHING was important he should take care off.Prifile of such kind do not care if he/she will be the victim but only see others being his/her victim...so trying to open the eyes of a devoted scammer is and will be always a siysuphean task..this kind of people are not misguided believers but scammers with profound action...big difference in my opinion....happy Christmas,enjoy your Holiday

[noname999]

I am trying to be fair here and take a balanced view.

There is no balanced view to have. BB is a scam. Anyone who argues different is either stupid or a liar. It really is that simple.

[Beacon]

You didnt read chapter four of the book I recommended di you? But please do the quiz on page 10 first before you read it.
http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAuthoritarians.pdf



Actually Chapter 3 is also relevant but do the quiz first and report your result here please.

[Della Cate]

There is no balanced view to have. BB is a scam. Anyone who argues different is either stupid or a liar. It really is that simple.

Trying to take a balanced view for the purposes of discussion. After all, the purpose of this forum is to stimulate discussion, is it not?

I am no advocate of BB. In my view, it does not add up and I am glad I have managed to persuade some freinds NOT to invest in it!

[noname999]

Trying to take a balanced view for the purposes of discussion. After all, the purpose of this forum is to stimulate discussion, is it not?

I am no advocate of BB. In my view, it does not add up and I am glad I have managed to persuade some freinds NOT to invest in it!

To be honest, stimulating discussion is a very distant second aim(for me anyway). I am here to warn people about bb being a scam.

If I saw someone robbing a bank I wouldn't argue for and against their guilt just for the sake of discussion.

[Beacon]

There is no balanced view to have. BB is a scam. Anyone who argues different is either stupid or a liar. It really is that simple.

Seriously noname you have to consider the alternative and put it on a balance.

Just like you have to consider that the Holocaust never happened.
Or you have to consider the alternative that the Moon is really made of cheese. I mean it just might be.
And unicorns just might exist.
You have to put all those alternatives on the balance.
Just like you have to consider BB to be a legit nornmal business.
I certainly do but based on the available evidence the balance seems to fall on one side all the time

[noname999]

You do realise that some of the idiots will think you are serious...

[okosh]

What do you mean by "above me"?

That would be those who needed his money in order to get theirs back.....In other words the last people that he should have ever trusted.....

[Nourjan]

My,my ,my .It looks like the head scumbag of BB himself decided to disgrace thefinsells site with his presence.

Banners Broker Scam – Don’t Let It Affect You « Finch Sells – Comments Page 1 (http://finchsells.com/2012/10/21/banners-broker-scam-dont-let-it-affect-you/comment-page-1/#comment-72333)

Anyway ,I do hope he hangs around.It'll be good if he would be able to answer some of the questions most of sane people here kept asking.Now if only he would come here himself and put an end to all this hypocritical naysayers and haters' obfuscations....

[Hypanor]

...You didnt read cvhapter four of the book I recommended di you? But please do the quiz on page 10 first before you read it.
http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAuthoritarians.pdf

That's an interesting document Beacon, just the thing for a read on a lazy 43(C) in the shade afternoon! I particularly liked chapter 3, and this statement rings true with what we see on here...

"It’s easy to see why authoritarian followers would be dogmatic, isn’t it? When you haven’t figured out your beliefs, but instead absorbed them from other people, you’re really in no position to defend them from attack. Simply put, you don’t know why the things you believe are true. Somebody else decided they were, and you’re taking their word for it. So what do you do when challenged?

Well first of all you avoid challenges by sticking with your own kind as much as possible, because they’re hardly likely to ask pointed questions about your beliefs. But if you meet someone who does, you’ll probably defend your ideas as best you can, parrying thrusts with whatever answers your authorities have pre-loaded into your head. If these defenses crumble, you may go back to the trusted sources. They probably don’t have to give you a convincing refutation of the anxiety-producing argument that breached your defenses, just the assurance that you nonetheless are right. But if the arguments against you become overwhelming and persistent, you either concede the point--which may put the whole lot at risk--or you simply insist you are right and walk away, clutching your beliefs more tightly than ever.

That’s what authoritarian followers tend to do. And let’s face it, it’s an awfully easy stand to take. You have to know a lot nowadays to stake out an intelligent, defendable position on many issues. But you don’t have to know anything to insist you’re right, no matter what. Dogmatism is by far the best fall-back defense, the most impregnable castle, that ignorance can find. It’s also a dead give-away that the person doesn’t know why he believes what he believes."

[okosh]

just the thing for a read on a lazy 43(C) in the shade afternoon!

And people wonder why I moved to Tassi :RpS_wink:

[littleroundman]

And people wonder why I moved to Tassi :RpS_wink:

Yeah, there's no one in Tasmania smart enough to read a thermometer.

Any temperature above 20c and they don't have enough fingers and toes.

[okosh]

Yeah, there's no one in Tasmania smart enough to read a thermometer.

Any temperature above 20c and they don't have enough fingers and toes.

NOT TRUE......We can take our pants off which allows us to count to 21.....

:whip_the_worker:

[Joe_Shmoe]

Irony overload from Raj Dixit's post.


"Shame on you.


Rajiv Dixit"

[littleroundman]

Irony overload from Raj Dixit's post.


"Shame on you.


Rajiv Dixit"

Why would Mr Dixit say something like that ???

He obviously doesn't know the meaning of the word "shame"

[Della Cate]

A quote from Roger Stockburger (whoever he is!) that I found on a BB affiliate's site:-

Love the way he links Google with BB....!!

"At the moment Banners Broker is just banner ads and static or animated GIF's, but we already have interactive flash-based adverts served up by competitors, and this is another area Banners Broker can get into. There is no need to do so at the moment. However, in the future HTML5 will probably supersede the processor-intensive Flash.

Having considered all that there's no reason why the current BB business model shouldn't run for quite a number of years before it even looks like "running out of puff".

However, which ever way you look at it, advertising will always be there. It costs money, time and resources to provide quality content onto websites such as news, sports and entertainment, and those sites’ business models would have a strong preference towards funding the operating of the sites through on-line advertising rather than making people pay a subscription fee to visit each site. Free access to websites and quality content always wins hands-down over asking for payment for access to specific sites when it comes to attracting traffic.

For as long as companies in the on-line advertising game, such as Banners Broker, Google, etc, are run and managed properly, and adapt to any emerging technology shifts, and we all do the right thing as far as compliance is concerned, then, for the long run, your only concern with BB is ensuring you've got everything set up so that when your time on this planet is up your BB business is properly willed to your kids.’

‘Our program has foresight, growth potential, solid management and cutting edge technology. ‘
We're in it for the long run.’ "

[noname999]

My,my ,my .It looks like the head scumbag of BB himself decided to disgrace thefinsells site with his presence.

Banners Broker Scam – Don’t Let It Affect You « Finch Sells – Comments Page 1 (http://finchsells.com/2012/10/21/banners-broker-scam-dont-let-it-affect-you/comment-page-1/#comment-72333)

Anyway ,I do hope he hangs around.It'll be good if he would be able to answer some of the questions most of sane people here kept asking.Now if only he would come here himself and put an end to all this hypocritical naysayers and haters' obfuscations....

Any sign of any BB supporters? I have a few questions for them. Raj, you are probably reading this. I would appreciate you answering some very simple questions. That would help clear everything up. Unless of course...you have something to hide?

[littleroundman]

A quote from Roger Stockburger (whoever he is!) that I found on a BB affiliate's site:-

Roger Stockburger is our old friend, REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com) member and Banners Broker apologist "BalancedView"

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/rogerlink.jpg

Roger/Stockburger on LinkedIn (http://au.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Roger/Stockburger)

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/Scams/rogpage.jpg

rogerstockburger.com (http://www.earnlotsmore.net/www.rogerstockburger.com/)

[noname999]

Hi Roger...I have a few questions for you when you are sick of hiding in the background.

[Della Cate]

My my, what a busy boy!

[Della Cate]

When I say "busy boy" I am referring to R Stockburger - gets everywhere, doesn't he??

[littleroundman]

Does anyone really think he deals with people who earn hundreds of thousands of dollars a month ??

How many cards would one have to send out, do you think to make a dent in ONE thousand, much less HUNDREDS of thousands.

[Della Cate]

That's it, is it - his business? Sending out cards? Oh, and BB too, I assume?

(Snigger)

[AshKen1]

You do realise that some of the idiots will think you are serious...

Is he not serious? I'd be up for getting my hands on unicorns as would many others....

*disappointed face*

[noname999]

You do know...if you buy 1 unicorn from me, I will give you a second one for free plus a nice 37.5% profit 3 months from now. Unless of course I don't. Trust me. I previously did a similar scam with leprechauns.

[AshKen1]

Here's a question: does anyone else know if the number of panels you can buy is ever limited? How many of each are you allowed?

Reason I ask is my mate says he now has to "roll up" panels to next level. Indeed, the system told him that he'd reached the limit for one colour. You can see where this is going can't you?

Rolling up = Cheaper panels to buy -> slightly more expensive -> most expensive

It is taking longer and longer and longer and longer for panels to "cap" anyway so the "money" is held within BB in the larger/expensive panels and the less choice you have in your account.

For all the BB people who are looking in, do you really consider that this is for your benefit??

Re subscriptions, I just want to clarify something I hadn't quite grasped fully. Once you are in the BB system, the subs are taken (when they remember) from the e-wallet. As long as you have funds there to cover them, then you don't need to put in more money unless you are (cough) "investing" more.

Here's the wrinkle though: they haven't taken subs for a few months so for all those people who have been happily withdrawing money for Christmas and have not left enough it, the account will go into a negative balance. Come January, I rather think there will be lot of people having to put more money in to cover this deficit. I am sure that BB will have a nice way of getting the money in, they always do.

The claws are just about to dig in a little deeper.

Further happy posts from MMG - see #5595 from BllacKsHaDoW (sic)

"Guys, I have question regarding Organic Traffic Campaigns.
why when changing a website of a Choice Network Organic Traffic Campaigs, the link is also changed for all other campaigns?
This did not happen before. seems like BB disabled something there.
Anyone else has an isue with Organic Traffic websites in Choice Network?

I am having same problem bro ..
My choice campaign links also changed to ONE link . Don't know what is going on ... :/
I guess we have to open TICKET for that .. :/"

[AshKen1]

You do know...if you buy 1 unicorn from me, I will give you a second one for free plus a nice 37.5% profit 3 months from now. Unless of course I don't. Trust me. I previously did a similar scam with leprechauns.

Where do I sign up? Please PM the details to me. I trust you: you may be anonymous, but you don't look like a scammer. I know this, because leprechauns are simply dodgy geezers....

[Joe_Shmoe]

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Subject: Re: Banners Broker
Date: 25/07/2012 14:32



Lets get the facts straight, ICF was a legitimate MLM company that I served as National Sales Manager. It on its own accord sent all submissions to Industry Canada for the over two years in business. Finally Industry Canada took a look at it, and asked the owners to stop doing business as usual and resubmit a amended comp plan. ICF to this day is waiting for a response. It never was shut down, fined nor was any individual charged, accused of any wrong doing.

Again, get your facts straight!

Mr. Kwai Chung, if that is your real name, you do not have the best interest of Banners Broker Affiliates at hear here. You have some personal agenda and you are trying to scare people.

Shame on you.

Rajiv Dixit


Banners Broker Scam – Don’t Let It Affect You « Finch Sells – Comments Page 1 (http://finchsells.com/2012/10/21/banners-broker-scam-dont-let-it-affect-you/comment-page-1/#comment-72333)

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December 23, 2012 at 8:11 pm (http://finchsells.com/2012/10/21/banners-broker-scam-dont-let-it-affect-you/comment-page-1/#comment-72133)
Lets get the facts straight, ICF was a legitimate MLM company that I served as National Sales Manager. It on its own accord sent all submissions to Industry Canada for the over two years in business. Finally Industry Canada took a look at it, and asked the owners to stop doing business as usual and resubmit a amended comp plan. ICF to this day is waiting for a response. It never was shut down, fined nor was any individual charged, accused of any wrong doing.
Again, get your facts straight!
Finch, if that is your real name, you do not have the best interest of Banners Broker Affiliates here. You have some personal agenda and you are trying to scare people.
Shame on you.
Rajiv Dixit

hhhhmmmm!? :RpS_unsure:

[Theseus]

When I say "busy boy" I am referring to R Stockburger - gets everywhere, doesn't he??

So does the norovirus.


Does anyone really think he deals with people who earn hundreds of thousands of dollars a month ??




Yes, rich people need taxis too, y'know :RpS_wink:

[AshKen1]

TMF: Banners Broker / A fool And His Money... (http://boards.fool.co.uk/banners-broker-12595908.aspx?sort=whole)

Banners Broker Scam – Don’t Let It Affect You « Finch Sells – Comments Page 1 (http://finchsells.com/2012/10/21/banners-broker-scam-dont-let-it-affect-you/comment-page-1/#comment-72333)


hhhhmmmm!? :RpS_unsure:

How interesting is that? Good spot there Joe! I wonder if there's something similar when responding to the issues surrounding Kipotec?

[AshKen1]

BB on Facebook, posted today (26 December 2012):

"Please don't promote any other opportunities on our ''Banners Broker Network'' page. If we find anybody promoting any other products we will ban them without giving any warning as we have banned 100's already. Banners Broker giving everyone a fortune so please use this opportunity to help others. Happy New year to you all!!!!"

Naughty people, putting up opportunities like that. How dare you try and take the money that BB wants??!!

Yet another reason for BB to confiscate your account. How many more abuses of you as BB account holders are you going to put up with before you realise what is happening??

"Use the opportunity to help others" - how dare they put that?

[noname999]

If we find anybody promoting any other products we will ban them without giving any warning as we have banned 100's already.

Code for: We will ban accounts to reduce the withdrawals as the pyramid is at breaking point.

[Whip]

BB on Facebook, posted today (26 December 2012):

"Please don't promote any other opportunities on our ''Banners Broker Network'' page. If we find anybody promoting any other products we will ban them without giving any warning as we have banned 100's already. Banners Broker giving everyone a fortune so please use this opportunity to help others. Happy New year to you all!!!!"

Naughty people, putting up opportunities like that. How dare you try and take the money that BB wants??!!

Yet another reason for BB to confiscate your account. How many more abuses of you as BB account holders are you going to put up with before you realise what is happening??

"Use the opportunity to help others" - how dare they put that?

But wait............I thought the banners broker was open to all who want to advertise? Why should they care what is advertised if they are collecting money from the advertiser? Isn't that how they allegedly pay the ridiculous return in inves errrrr.......... purchase?

And since they love to come here and bash this forum for exposing them and asking who we are to stop them from making money, who are they to do the same?

[noname999]

Seems like other scams are taking this scam's suckers. How ironic...

[Joe_Shmoe]

I have attached Some PDF's from the Isle of Man for your perusal.

International Business Services from Isle Of Man - OCRA (Isle Of Man) Ltd (http://www.ocra.com/group_offices/isleofman.asp)

Another Banners Broker Director. Banners Broker is dormant in the Isle Of Man.
There are some connections between this guys company & and a PO box in the Seychelles

OCRA (Seychelles) Limited
303 Aarti Building,
P.O.Box 983, Victoria
Mahé, SEYCHELLES
Contact: Mrs. Golda M. Lee Kim Koon
Tel: (+248) 225555
Fax: (+248) 225999
2426

[Theseus]

BB on Facebook, posted today (26 December 2012):

"Please don't promote any other opportunities on our ''Banners Broker Network'' page. If we find anybody promoting any other products we will ban them without giving any warning as we have banned 100's already. Banners Broker giving everyone a fortune so please use this opportunity to help others. Happy New year to you all!!!!"

Naughty people, putting up opportunities like that. How dare you try and take the money that BB wants??!!

Yet another reason for BB to confiscate your account. How many more abuses of you as BB account holders are you going to put up with before you realise what is happening??

"Use the opportunity to help others" - how dare they put that?

"We're closed from Dec 21 to Jan 2nd, but have just thought of a really good excuse for seizing your account, so we thought we'd let you know. Hopefully you won't see this until it's too late, but if you do don't expect to be able to contact us before we've stolen all that "money" you thought you had in your account. Or after.


Have a great New Year!


Yours,

Banners Broker"

[Joe_Shmoe]

Seems like other scams are taking this scam's suckers. How ironic...

If you're looking for ready made suckers it's a good place to look.

[Theseus]

Banners Broker Network on Facebook

Banners Broker website has now been renewed for the next 5 years


WOW!!!

They must be serious about the business to make an investment like that!


2428

What a shame they weren't confident enough to opt for the full 10 years.

:RpS_lol:

[noname999]

There may be a very strong connection between BB and the Seychelles...if you know what I mean...

[Beacon]

John Barrett doesnt claim to be a Millionaire
Another scheme too good to be true? | Irish Examiner (http://www.irishexaminer.com/analysis/another-scheme-too-good-to-be-true-215389.html)

Stepsys however seems to have a track record in MLM
Proof | (http://simonstepsys.com/proof/)
[quote]
My Earnings vary from £500 to £3,500+ a DAY from home without ANY Selling.

My BEST day I did over £14,000!

Im sure the taxman will be interested.

[Theseus]

The definition of cult-like behaviour.....

2429

[littleroundman]

John Barrett doesnt claim to be a Millionaire
Another scheme too good to be true? | Irish Examiner (http://www.irishexaminer.com/analysis/another-scheme-too-good-to-be-true-215389.html)

Stepsys however seems to have a track record in MLM
Proof | (http://simonstepsys.com/proof/)

Im sure the taxman will be interested.

Are fairy stories taxable ???

[Beacon]

Linkedin
Banners Broker Millionaires Group Banners Broker Millionaires Group | LinkedIn (http://www.linkedin.com/groups?home=&gid=4649714&trk=anet_ug_hm)

Owner http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=87407648
Lists website http://bitly.com/PbdX68 which asks for your email and then redirects you to the BB login page for Yvon Breaubrun?
BannersBroker (http://bannersbroker.com/index/main/signup)
Nicholas D'Elia | LinkedIn (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/nicholas-d-elia/42/3b4/120)

[waverider]

Re subscriptions, I just want to clarify something I hadn't quite grasped fully. Once you are in the BB system, the subs are taken (when they remember) from the e-wallet. As long as you have funds there to cover them, then you don't need to put in more money unless you are (cough) "investing" more.


Don't forget to add TP's (Traffic Pack Subscriptions), these can add up once your inventory of active ad panels starts to build, and these can see your eWallet drained well into the red. A great opportunity to suck some more revenue out of your current affiliate base, one might think, gotta keep funds there to cover them so I don't have to put in any more of my own hard earned $$$.

Thankfully, the people at Banners Broker have decided to allow its affiliates to let their eWallets run into minus dollar figures for about six weeks before the risk of the account being locked until you bring your account from arrears into the positive. And they don't charge you interest on that to boot.

Since TP's have become automated, my account's gone into negative for several weeks at a time, but always bounced back into positive figures after a week or two when various ad campaigns represented by various coloured panels in my ad inventory complete, we BB'ers call this 'capping' - 5000 traffic hits on the publisher sites to your yellow panel "caps" it (about 3-4 weeks), 15'000 for a purple, 45'000 for a blue, and so forth....

Some people fret about the commitment that comes with Traffic Pack subscriptions, however should take note that over time, your advertising inventory (represented by the coloured panels on the BB portal website), grows larger, therefore you'll need more Traffic to qualify traffic panels, therefore more traffic packs. I look like TP's like fuel for your car, the electric bill for my office to keep things going, that kind of thing.

Hope this helps, but with a bit of commonsense and forward planning, you should have a self-sustaining account without you needing to prop it up continously with re-loading more money into your eWallet ("investing")...

[EagleOne]

To all the new posters here, Welcome to RS. No matter what your opinion is of BB, we look forward to your posts.

Personally I love the tag-team approach the pro-BBers are using of late. When the heat gets too much for one, a new one pops up on the scene. Some are just drive-by posters, and others at least stay for a short while. It does keep the thread moving and entertaining at the same time.

I do have to admit that I am really disappointed in balancedview for not coming back to refute and answer all the questions raised here as he had claimed he would do one-by-one. Hmm, now you don't suppose he couldn't answer all those "pesky questions" one-by-one after all. For if he can't, then it means that BB is not this legitimate business that all the defenders claim it to be. Otherwise he would have been here posting away with bells on his toes and a ring in his nose showing all us "naysayers, dreamstealers, trolls, haters, etc." how wrong we are. His absence speaks volumes.

For all of you new BB defenders instead of just re-posting all the mantra of BB, you would do justice to BB by answering all the questions raised with facts, not hyperbole and double-speak. We are waiting and look forward to anyone of the BB defenders who can. Then maybe the questions are just too hard to answer.

[noname999]

Question 1:

Where & when did Chris Smith go to college and what did he study?

This is open to all BB people. I'm not looking for double speak, hyperbole or off topic remarks...just a name, a year and a subject. It couldn't be simpler.

[chinacastle]

Hi, im actually new here, well in terms of posting anyways, ive been reading the forum for awhile and ive noticed that the same few 5/6 keep posting all the time,answering each others replies ,kinda wot a great guy am i stuff, seems to me all anti bb.Im not involved with bb yet but having read all the posts on this and another couple of sites i will now be joining.The post here are a laugh really, all one sided , especially some guy called noname, who is the best advertisment for joining bb there can be , hes totally ignorant.My mate joined over 6 months ago, putting in 1k, this has grown to over 2ok , [gross] , since , mainly due to an article that was written in a local paper , the Sunday World, he had only 4 people in his dowline before the article but now he has 17, thanks to the Sunday World article, well 18 if you include me, lol, .Please keep on about bannersbrokers as its the best publicity it gets, and if you guys can contact the Sunday World again id appreciate it , to run another article, as i will get loads of downlines from it.Thank you for promoting this business and pleaseeeeeeee, keep talking about it, as from my due diligance on it , you guys are doing a fab job in getting people on board.Pleaseeeeee dont stop knocking bb, its the best publicity it can get and its fantastic, dont dare stop, okkk, off to sign up, uve convinced me to join.[[ohhhh, this is where u guys come in and moan, lol and of course patt each other on the backs, lmao, have u not seen no one replies to u but each other, thick r wot , lmaooooooooo]

[noname999]

They really can't answer a simple question, can they.

@chinacastle: I'm glad I'm making such a good impression on you....also, stop telling lies, its pathetic.

[chinacastle]

They really can't answer a simple question, can they.

@chinacastle: I'm glad I'm making such a good impression on you....also, stop telling lies, its pathetic.

no lies mate, all true, does not matter wether one choses to believe it or not but congrats on being Bannersbrokers best advert for joining, please continue, you convinced me[il throw in patt on the back for you, well im sure ul get one from someome else anyhows , lol , love the fact you guys are soo predictable, ohhhh im a great guy etc etc, lmao, you have made my christams, pleaseeeeeee keep posting, especially you, noname, your clueless,lmao, byeeee, off to my ballet class.

[chinacastle]

lmao.im sure mods wont post any more of my replies as they wont patt u on back, lmao, letss cccc

[noname999]

No posts are removed here. Say your piece.

[Beacon]

Hi, im actually new here, well in terms of posting anyways,

How long were you lurking or sockpuppeting?



ive been reading the forum for awhile and ive noticed that the same few 5/6 keep posting all the time,answering each others replies ,kinda wot a great guy am i stuff, seems to me all anti bb.


Well this is an answer to you. we are also anti Nazi probably . are you suggesting that Holocaust denial should be given equal treatment to the alternative? Or Biblical fundamentalism? Or terrorism?



Im not involved with bb yet but having read all the posts on this and another couple of sites i will now be joining.


I expected you would say that. You had me when you got to "yet".



The post here are a laugh really, all one sided ,


So you want to post about how the Holocaust didnt really happen or how the Moon is made of Cheese or how terrorism iis the real reasonable way forward for society? And that should get equal space? and equal value? Or should logic and reason and coherent debate be entertained instead of demanding crackpot unsupported assertions be given equal status?


My mate joined over 6 months ago, putting in 1k, this has grown to over 2ok , [gross] ,

I dont believe you and you cant prove that.


since , mainly due to an article that was written in a local paper
, the Sunday World, he had only 4 people in his dowline before the article but now he has 17, thanks to the Sunday World article, well 18 if you include me, lol,

Get your facts right.
1. Sunday World article was not six months ago
2. It is a national Paper not a local one so you or your mate isnt Irish
"mate" is more a British term - so you are probably British
so your "mate" sent you a Sunday world and that convinced you to join his "downline" What is a "downline" anyway. It only goes to show only by recruiting is the scheme kept going.



.Please keep on about bannersbrokers as its the best publicity it gets, and if you guys can contact the Sunday World again id appreciate it , to run another article, as i will get loads of downlines from it.Thank you for promoting this business and pleaseeeeeeee, keep talking about it, as from my due diligance on it , you guys are doing a fab job in getting people on board.Pleaseeeeee dont stop knocking bb, its the best publicity it can get and its fantastic, dont dare stop, okkk, off to sign up, uve convinced me to join.
We will . since we have discussed the mindset of the subscribers it is unlikely that a braod media interest woudl encourage such a thing. In fact I believe should BB get lots of publicity it will discourage new recruits. You think otherwise. We will see soon wont we? In fact one media related element I wont yet discuss yet will do much to support my theory here. see what I did there? the "yet"? so I will discuss it but later as I might affect the outcome by mentioning it now.

[Beacon]

lmao.im sure mods wont post any more of my replies as they wont patt u on back, lmao, letss cccc

Yes lets. And we will see you proved wrong in your assertion. Again!

[chinacastle]

and its all true noname, lol, your the best advert BB has for joining, does not matter wether you believe or not, its true, and you dont concern me one bit in the least, you should get paid from BB for promoting them sooo much, pleaseeeeee , pleaeeeeeeee , contact some Newspaper again tprun another article, its made BB huge here in Ireland, id never have heard about it only fotr the Sunday World, thank you thank you ,thank you, loads of us are joining up now and wether you believe it or not, we really dont careeeeeeeee, lmao xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxx

[noname999]

What due diligence did you do china?

[Joe_Shmoe]

Welcome Chinacastle.

Soooo! you haven't invested yet? Lucky you. :RpS_biggrin:

Well before you do, I would try to find out some info on the guy who supposedly runs Banner Broker,
Chris Smith is supposed to be his name. However he just appears to have popped up out of nowhere. No history or back story, education, previous business experience, we know next to nothing about him. We only "know" that he is a Maths/IT genius.

Before you invest in Banners Broker I would check that the guy running a multi-million dollar advertising company wasn't in fact a serial scammer like his "underling" Raj Dixit.
With regard to that particular scumbag it's a little easier to obtain information. He ran a previous Ponzi scheme called ICF World Homes.

Google is your friend.

http://www.facebook.com/therajivdixit?ref=ts&fref=ts

[chinacastle]

i said my mate joined 6 months ago [read it properly, not article appeared 6 months ago. im living in west cork if u must know idiot lol, , learn to read properly lol, and it has blown BB huge here, there has been 3 articles in the Sunday World in the last 4 weeks, so ur not as smart as u think you are, lol, and i have noooo intention of proving anything to u , lmao, [u see i know its true and could not care less what u believe] Typicalllll, sooo sadddddd, pleaseee keep promoting bb, ur doing a fab job, okkkk laterzzz guysss, offf to ballet lmao

[littleroundman]

My mate joined over 6 months ago, putting in 1k, this has grown to over 2ok , [gross]

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3797/owenrw.jpg

[noname999]

I dont believe you and you cant prove that.



I actually do believe him on this point Beacon. But here's an offer for you china. If you give me 1k I will give you a web page that shows you, you have made 2k...and I'll go one better. I'll do it for you in 3 months!

[noname999]

i said my mate joined 6 months ago [read it properly, not article appeared 6 months ago. im living in west cork if u must know idiot lol, , learn to read properly lol, and it has blown BB huge here, there has been 3 articles in the Sunday World in the last 4 weeks, so ur not as smart as u think you are, lol, and i have noooo intention of proving anything to u , lmao, [u see i know its true and could not care less what u believe] Typicalllll, sooo sadddddd, pleaseee keep promoting bb, ur doing a fab job, okkkk laterzzz guysss, offf to ballet lmao

You seem very agitated for somone who is not a BB member. Anyway, back to my question:

What due diligence did you do?

[Joe_Shmoe]

chinacastle IF you want people to understand your posts here, it's better not to post a wall of text.

Paragraphs are your friend & ours.

They really do make long posts full of lies easier to understand.

[Beacon]

, we really dont careeeeeeeee, lmao

dont care about what? How can you express an opinion that you dont care?

[EagleOne]

Hmm, we have a problem Chinacastle. In one breath you are telling us that we are doing a great job or recruiting people in BB, and in the next you want us to stop? Now why in the world would you want us to stop posting if we are so successful at getting people like you to finally join because of what we post here and the Sunday World Article? What is really surprising is that your "Mate" could not convince you to join but all of us here posting and the Sunday World article did. Not an exactly ringing endorsement of your "mate's" ability to recruit people into BB is it.

But honestly, if this is the best you can do, by all means keep doing it. You have done more to expose this as a Ponzi than some of us you criticize.

Hmm, wonder how many more BB Ponzi shills will show up? Guess BB's expert legal team is too busy to sue any of us for libel or slander, so they have to have the shills come here and try to denigrate/discredit us. I just love it when the shills come out to play.

[chinacastle]

Lmao, read which ever way one wants . paragraphs or not!Noname, i have gone to the atm machines with my mate, hes withdrawn wayyy more than hes put in.Ive run my own business for over 30 years, made a lot of money, invested in other business, made money in some, lost in others, overall ive made a hell of a lot of money.Pesronally i could not care what you guys think, im a businessman.Look at Beacon, telling me im English, nothing could be further from the truth and a major insult to an Irish person, sums him and his Due Diligance up ,typical of what goes on here, im 100pc Irish, Cead mile failte roimhe go di an clar seo[its gaelic, im sure Mastermind Beacon will know that lol] Already ive no interest in conversing further her [this is where you guys say im running away], and you know what, it proves all i believe about this place, lol, at least im leaving as a recently converted Irishman, ahhh yesss, wsell Beacon you look an idiot now anyhowsssss, slan leta agug go neire an bothair leat[more gaelic, buttttt of courseee loadsss of us englishmennn know gaelic] pmsllll, byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[noname999]

I thought BBdef's due diligence('he didn't seem to be a confidence trickster'), would never be topped, and then china tells us that he was convinced to join by reading a story from a red top about a pyramid scheme...

[chinacastle]

i said donttt stoppp eagleee, i said pleaseee dont stop, read it againnnn, such fools lmao

[noname999]

Lmao, read which ever way one wants . paragraphs or not!Noname, i have gone to the atm machines with my mate, hes withdrawn wayyy more than hes put in.Ive run my own business for over 30 years, made a lot of money, invested in other business, made money in some, lost in others, overall ive made a hell of a lot of money.Pesronally i could not care what you guys think, im a businessman.Look at Beacon, telling me im English, nothing could be further from the truth and a major insult to an Irish person, sums him and his Due Diligance up ,typical of what goes on here, im 100pc Irish, Cead mile failte roimhe go di an clar seo[its gaelic, im sure Mastermind Beacon will know that lol] Already ive no interest in conversing further her [this is where you guys say im running away], and you know what, it proves all i believe about this place, lol, at least im leaving as a recently converted Irishman, ahhh yesss, wsell Beacon you look an idiot now anyhowsssss, slan leta agug go neire an bothair leat[more gaelic, buttttt of courseee loadsss of us englishmennn know gaelic] pmsllll, byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Your command of the Irish language is rather pathetic. It seems you can't spell in either language. Here's a question for you:

Cén díchill chuí a rinne tú?

[Beacon]

i said my mate joined 6 months ago [read it properly, not article appeared 6 months ago.


And you also claimed the growth rate was related to his article. But the growth over six months could not be caused by the article since the article could not have affected growth BEFORE it was printed!


im living in west cork if u must know idiot lol,


but you are not from West cork or probably not from Ireland. Are you ? So Im not an idiot in pointing that out.
Ca as Tu haon?



, learn to read properly lol, and it has blown BB huge here, there has been 3 articles in the Sunday World in the last 4 weeks, so ur not as smart as u think you are,



Yes not in the last six months! And are you claiming that your "mate" had no people in and then gort 17 in the last four weeks and that was all because of the Sunday world? the whole "world tour" thing where they had 900 people to dinner and their entire network in Ireland had nothing to do with it?


lol, and i have noooo intention of proving anything to u , lmao, [u see i know its true and could not care less what u believe]


So you cant back up what you claim? Im not surprised. Im sure potential "investors" will be pleased to go for something that has no supporting evidence and whose promoters "could not care less" about proving.
Given you cant back it upi Can you explain the difference between
A: Banners Broker has no supporting evidence to show it is an abiove board business that works.
and
B: Banners Brokers doesnt work and is not above board?


Typicalllll, sooo sadddddd, pleaseee keep promoting bb, ur doing a fab job, okkkk laterzzz guysss, offf to ballet lmao

Lol and you advise people to learn to read?

[baylee]

They really can't answer a simple question, can they.

@chinacastle: I'm glad I'm making such a good impression on you....also, stop telling lies, its pathetic.

It is Pathetic, isn't it! LOL.

[Joe_Shmoe]

chinacastle, I'm sure your incredibly intelligent posts will have people flocking to join Banners Broker.

And also chinacastle Is saic atá suite ar cac. :RpS_lol: Google translate is great init MATE.

[chinacastle]

idiot Beacon, since the article it has grown, god ur sooo thick, anyways you are so stupid ye cant even read articles properly, if u read it properly , i said since the article [3 weeks ago] he has increased to 17, ur soo stupid , are you not , ok off to bed, need my beauty sleep, you guys are so inferior intelligence wise its unreal, i mean one cant ever read an article correctly, night night[ohhh am i irish now beacon??? colaidh saibh, means sleep well, thicko . xxx

[noname999]

Why won't you answer my question china?

[Beacon]

.Pesronally i could not care what you guys think, im a businessman.

He says having gone into his "loadsamoney". If you dont care why do yuo keep harping on about it?


Look at Beacon, telling me im English, nothing could be further from the truth and a major insult to an Irish person, sums him and his Due Diligance up ,typical of what goes on here, im 100pc Irish, Cead mile failte roimhe go di an clar seo[its gaelic, im sure Mastermind Beacon will know that lol]


Rather cliched Irish. Welcome to the programme :) and the word is "gaeilge"or in english "Irish" . I suspect you dont speak it. "Gaelic" is not a word used for the language. I however do. And other languages too believe it or not. Gibberish however Im a bit weak on so you will have to bear with me on the comprehension gap there.



Already ive no interest in conversing further her

so you keep saying
Dont slam the door on your way out


you look an idiot now anyhowsssss, slan leta agug go neire an bothair leat[more gaelic, buttttt of courseee loadsss of us englishmennn know gaelic] pmsllll, byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Yeah you know the cliched but you picked up in the pub maybe. What does the Eiri mean in relation to the road. From what verb? and it what way woudl that same verb relate to Irish Republicanism? What is the verb "to have" in Irish?

You dont speak Irish. Having lied about that how are we expected to believe your tall tales about your "mate"?

[chinacastle]

and noname, uve just asked me as gaeilge , !what due diligenge did i do !? lmao, im fluent in irish, spanish and german so hop off to bed mate lol , nighttt

[noname999]

I know what I asked you! Why won't you answer it??

[Joe_Shmoe]

and noname, uve just asked me as gaeilge , !what due diligenge did i do !? lmao, im fluent in irish, spanish and german so hop off to bed mate lol , nighttt

Answer the question please.

Freagair an cheist le do thoil.

[noname999]

China, can you answer the question?

(in english, irish, french or german. i don't care what language)

[chinacastle]

xxx noname, see you thought i would not understand, but now you feel awkard becauise i did, in front of your friends, ever heard of Ballineen in west cork Beacon?? thats where i live, actually im lying , i live a mile outside of it, god, caught out again, bad accident there over the weekend but ul know that if ur from around these parts, okkk, il let you guys patt each other on the backs again, il leave a broken [english!] man , lol, uve beaten me down, u win, help meee helpp meee, thankyou for repeating same stuff over n over again, but of course you guys are 100pc righ, winkkkkkk, byeeeee

[EagleOne]

Lmao, read which ever way one wants . paragraphs or not!Noname, i have gone to the atm machines with my mate, hes withdrawn wayyy more than hes put in.Ive run my own business for over 30 years, made a lot of money, invested in other business, made money in some, lost in others, overall ive made a hell of a lot of money.Pesronally i could not care what you guys think, im a businessman.Look at Beacon, telling me im English, nothing could be further from the truth and a major insult to an Irish person, sums him and his Due Diligance up ,typical of what goes on here, im 100pc Irish, Cead mile failte roimhe go di an clar seo[its gaelic, im sure Mastermind Beacon will know that lol] Already ive no interest in conversing further her [this is where you guys say im running away], and you know what, it proves all i believe about this place, lol, at least im leaving as a recently converted Irishman, ahhh yesss, wsell Beacon you look an idiot now anyhowsssss, slan leta agug go neire an bothair leat[more gaelic, buttttt of courseee loadsss of us englishmennn know gaelic] pmsllll, byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Stop it I tell you, stop it. You are making my sides hurt from laughing so hard. Successful businessperson for over 30 years? Hmm, can't spell, use punctuation, or grammar, and you have been a successful businessperson for over 30 years? But I love how you like to play like you can't in your posts.

Have you considered comedic writing? I'm sure there are TV programs that are looking for a good comedic writer like you. But I really do appreciate your being here. Gives everyone something to laugh about. We need entertainment like yours to liven the place up. But I do hope you get your rest. You need far more than beauty sleep.

[Beacon]

idiot Beacon, since the article it has grown,


so your mate was in for six months but for five of them was useless and depended on media to make the System work and not on any people or the system itself? Only negative media articles grow BB?that is their big secret? LOL


god ur sooo thick, anyways you are so stupid ye cant even read articles properly, if u read it properly

I dont read the sunday world.
Please look up ad hominem. when yuo cant win the argument do you always try to attack the other person instead. Telling sign of a loser.


, i said since the article [3 weeks ago] he has increased to 17, ur soo stupid , are you not , ok off to bed, need my beauty sleep, you guys are so inferior intelligence wise its unreal, i mean one cant ever read an article correctly,


your postings are very like ee cummings in form but not in substance.


night night[ohhh am i irish now beacon??? colaidh saibh, means sleep well, thicko . xxx

No you cant speak Irish and I dont believe you are Irish. You probably know little or nothing of west cork.
Saibh is a girls name. Perhaps you mean samh? So what colour was Pangur?

[noname999]

No awkwardness here. I'm being civil(one of us has to be). Why won't you answer the question?

[Beacon]

xxx noname, see you thought i would not understand, but now you feel awkard becauise i did, in front of your friends, ever heard of Ballineen in west cork Beacon??
Ive heard of it. I still dont believe you are Irish or speak Irish.

[baylee]

and noname, uve just asked me as gaeilge , !what due diligenge did i do !? lmao, im fluent in irish, spanish and german so hop off to bed mate lol , nighttt


You forgot one and it is the most important one! "Bullshit". After all it is one of your "Most Important ones.

[noname999]

Sent you a PM Beacon

[noname999]

Seems china is gone. Wonder why he wouldn't answer my question. I didn't think it was that hard or offensive. He sure got upset about it though.
Wonder how much he dropped into BB(and when). Amazing the feelings it stirs up in someone when they see they have been taken for a fool, especially when it involves money. Wonder how that will affect his friendship with his upline. Probably a neighbour, could get very awkward...

[littleroundman]

Successful businessperson for over 30 years?

"Roll up, roll up, Hurry, hurry, hurry,

see the dancing bears, win prizes, see the half man, half woman,

HURRY, HURRY, HURRY, roll up, roll up"

[littleroundman]

i said since the article [3 weeks ago] he has increased to 17,

They tell me the Flat Earth Society has gained about the same number of new members lately, as well.

Your point being ???

[Whip]

You seem very agitated for somone who is not a BB member. Anyway, back to my question:

What due diligence did you do?

liars hate getting caught.

[Theseus]

we really dont careeeeeeeee, lmao xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxx


i said my mate joined 6 months ago [read it properly, not article appeared 6 months ago. im living in west cork if u must know idiot lol, , learn to read properly lol, and it has blown BB huge here, there has been 3 articles in the Sunday World in the last 4 weeks, so ur not as smart as u think you are, lol, and i have noooo intention of proving anything to u , lmao, [u see i know its true and could not care less what u believe] Typicalllll, sooo sadddddd, pleaseee keep promoting bb, ur doing a fab job, okkkk laterzzz guysss, offf to ballet lmao


Ive run my own business for over 30 years

im a businessman


pmsllll, byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Now, let's analyse this little lot...

Businessman

Own business for "over 30 years"


That would make chinacastle, assuming a business start in early to mid 20s, at least 50 years old, perhaps nearer 60.

Now, it may just be me, but I don't know many 60 year old businessmen who use phrases such as "we really dont careeeeeeeee, lmao xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxx", "sooo sadddddd", "okkkk laterzzz guysss" or "pmsllll, byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee".

These strike me more like examples of the sort of language a teenage (or a very immature early 20-something) girl would utter....

[Whip]

Hmm, we have a problem Chinacastle. In one breath you are telling us that we are doing a great job or recruiting people in BB, and in the next you want us to stop? Now why in the world would you want us to stop posting if we are so successful at getting people like you to finally join because of what we post here and the Sunday World Article? What is really surprising is that your "Mate" could not convince you to join but all of us here posting and the Sunday World article did. Not an exactly ringing endorsement of your "mate's" ability to recruit people into BB is it.

But honestly, if this is the best you can do, by all means keep doing it. You have done more to expose this as a Ponzi than some of us you criticize.

Hmm, wonder how many more BB Ponzi shills will show up? Guess BB's expert legal team is too busy to sue any of us for libel or slander, so they have to have the shills come here and try to denigrate/discredit us. I just love it when the shills come out to play.

I would think quite a few. They're really shitting a brick now with the 'vacation' excuse and see the writing's on the wall. They need to try something to get their initial money back. Happens all the time.

[littleroundman]

One would certainly hope chinacastles' "mates" 17 new recruits all make substantial purchases.

After all, these new recruits have a whole lot of old members' payments to cover.

[noname999]

For anyone reading who is researching BB please keep the following in mind:

I am asking very simple questions that should have very simple factual answers. Unfortunately people from BB are not providing these answers. They are avoiding them, changing the subject, attacking me(and others) and throwing insults.

This is very very obvious. So please, ask yourselves why they do this.

If you take one thing away from this its the following: Ask yourself, what motive/reasoning do they have for not answering? It would seem to make much more sense to just answer the question and then we could move on. It would certainly help to show BB in a better light. So why can't they or why won't they? Please think about that.

[Whip]

He says having gone into his "loadsamoney". If you dont care why do yuo keep harping on about it?


Rather cliched Irish. Welcome to the programme :) and the word is "gaeilge"or in english "Irish" . I suspect you dont speak it. "Gaelic" is not a word used for the language. I however do. And other languages too believe it or not. Gibberish however Im a bit weak on so you will have to bear with me on the comprehension gap there.


so you keep saying
Dont slam the door on your way out



Yeah you know the cliched but you picked up in the pub maybe. What does the Eiri mean in relation to the road. From what verb? and it what way woudl that same verb relate to Irish Republicanism? What is the verb "to have" in Irish?

You dont speak Irish. Having lied about that how are we expected to believe your tall tales about your "mate"?

I don't see what nigerian would.

[Beacon]

Just a thought- Anyone want to start a Linked group "Banners Broker is a total scam" and dare their top range corporate lawyers to protect their brand name . If it got to court they would have to actually back up their business model and show who owns the business. A bit like what happened to Scientology protecting their REligious technology.

[EagleOne]

Now, let's analyse this little lot...

Businessman

Own business for "over 30 years"


That would make chinacastle, assuming a business start in early to mid 20s, at least 50 years old, perhaps nearer 60.

Now, it may just be me, but I don't know many 60 year old businessmen who use phrases such as "we really dont careeeeeeeee, lmao xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxx", "sooo sadddddd", "okkkk laterzzz guysss" or "pmsllll, byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee".

These strike me more like examples of the sort of language a teenage (or a very immature early 20-something) girl would utter....

My first impression was this was a 16-year old with nothing better to do than try to act like a grown-up thinking we would all be fooled into believing all the BS put into the posts. Wonder if Mommy, oops MUM, knows chinacastle is using the puter (thought I would use lingo chinacastle would understand) again?

[Whip]

For anyone reading who is researching BB please keep the following in mind:

I am asking very simple questions that should have very simple factual answers. Unfortunately people from BB are not providing these answers. They are avoiding them, changing the subject, attacking me(and others) and throwing insults.

This is very very obvious. So please, ask yourselves why they do this.

If you take one thing away from this its the following: Ask yourself, what motive/reasoning do they have for not answering? It would seem to make much more sense to just answer the question and then we could move on. It would certainly help to show BB in a better light. So why can't they or why won't they? Please think about that.

And for at least 10 pages no less.

[waverider]

Yes indeed, welcome to the BS world of RS ...
(whip - whatever your real name and mailing address may be - the justice systems of most countries on the planet assume innocence until guilt is proven. People from BB do not need to provide any answers to defend their decision to join BB and put some money into it, we don't have to justify our position, however you lot do, as you're alleging guilt by way of what appears to me mostly trivial and baseless material scrounged up off the net, from blog posts, linked in, facebook, twitter and such....) - and then make such allegations hiding behind screen-names without revealing your real name and a real mailing address????????? Seriously! talk about no credibility, just a bunch of cynical, disheartened schmucks with nothing better to do with your time.....

There's good reason for the drive-by-posters, some pop up and disappear after a little while, some join the ranks of the others who, like me, will be sticking around for a wee bit, first to get feel of what's being said around here, a bit like the farmer taking a look around to see what parasites, pests and whatever else might pose some risk to his crop. It certainly does keep this thread moving and most entertaining, but like everything else, the novelty value fades away as it's the same drivel over and over and over again.

To all BB-defenders out there, your time and efforts defending the banners broker business is as much a waste of effort and time trying to convert pro-climate change people to believe otherwise, or telling your local Jehovas Witness crowd their god doesn't exist and their whole religion is a scam. Hmm, need I mention Scientology?

If you're on the pro-BB side, remember it is not your job trying to defend what you consider to be a legitimate kind of business to a bunch of 9-5 employee mentality people who think otherwise with what amounts to largely irrelevant observations, screen captures from blogs and otherwise.

If you feel you've been let down, or you believe you have been mislead by BB or a BB affiliate, and you are facing difficulty getting paid, or getting a refund within the prescribed time period after joining, all countries have relevant consumer affairs or fair trading departments to deal with such matters. Might not get you the money you think is owed to you, but an increasing pattern of such complaints against a company, which eventually turns into a pattern of increasing complaints made formally to the relevant government department, will eventually turn the lawmakers' attention to the company, and if in the unlikely event that BB is in fact a Ponzi, or is shown to have sufficient proportion of "ponzi elements" to the point that the whole scheme would collapse if the recruiting drive stalled or stopped, then it is up to the official lawmakers to take the appropriate action, and as in the case of Zeek, shut down. I personally did extensive due diligence on Zeek also, and my research did not see the company pass with flying colours. BB isn't clear out of the woods in my red flags department as many of their problems especially in terms of customer support and website accessibility issues, are often seen in relatively new companies that get caught on the back foot, risking becoming a victim of their own success.

Nothing is "no risk" and that includes banners broker, crossing the road, or hopping in your car to drive down town.

I've given it a punt with a sum of money about the same as what I'd blow on a typical afternoon out on the track. Would be a shame if the dreamstealers of RS are right, but i wouldn't lose sleep over the few hundred dollars I've put into the purchase of ad panels with BB, there's some level of risk with anything, but the last thing we need is a bunch of self-appointed 'net-nannies' bagging the living daylights out of anything they don't approve of, or do not fully understand.

We "pro-BB'ers" do not have to justify our position, defend the company from MLM scam, ponzi or other scam allegations from a bunch of people posting anonymously without disclosure of their real names, addresses and perhaps a phone number, and defend out decision to join this company as affiliates to the rest of the on-line.

In the real world, innocence is assumed until guilt is proven. By guilt, I'm not talking about screenshots of blogs and other stuff, and the endless, repetitive BS that's being spruiked by RS anti-BB'ers hell bent on bringing this company to its knees. This is called cyber terrorism, not providing an information resource to help a newbie make an informed decision whether BB (or any other company for that) is for them or not. Nothing's rock solid and 100% safe and secure, not even your job, folks. People ratting on their BS on RS crap on about BB affiliates having their account locked, or terminated, for making negative comments about BB. You may be interested to know that most MLM companies, including Tupperware, Avon, Amway, etc, do not take too kindly to negativity spread around the internet by affiliates, and their compliance departments again show no hesitation in reprimanding a rogue affiliate who is out there damaging the company's name.

Come to think of it, I dare you anti-BB RS'ers to foul-mouth your boss or the company you work for, USING YOUR REAL NAME, and see if you cop some flak if your boss found out. Many people have been sacked for inappropriate facebook comments against the company they work for....

Pro-BB'ers - take this to heart - there is good reason these people here trying to spread negative rumours and trivial observations they like to refer to as "facts" using anonymous screen names and without revealing their real names and addresses, and that's so that lawyers acting on behalf of the company whose good name they're trying to defame (in this case banners broker), can't serve them with cease-and-desist orders, just as the Taliban don't show their faces before they blow up some little village in Afghanistan or wherever they practise their acts of terrorism, cyber terrorism is exactly the same.

If they don't post their real name and a mailing address with their anti-BB comments, they have ZERO credibility. Nil, zip, nada. Absolutely nothing.
If I have a gripe about Vodafone, for example, regarding poor network speeds or other aspects such as call dropouts, poor customer service, and so forth, as I have many times in the past in places such as whirlpool, I post my REAL NAME, my mailing address, even my contact telephone number, so that the people at Vodafone, in this example, can identify my views as a legitimate complaint and grievance. I've actually had a senior Vodafone staff member (not an indian from a call centre in mumbai) call me to clarify what I was going on about in whirlpool. As my grievances and complaints were genuine, I was not asked to remove the posts, but how Vodafone can assist me. Got myself a free months mobile internet access, so I posted that, problem didn't seem to be resolved, but a brownie-point for giving me a free months' access as a gesture of goodwill.

Food for thought, folks! Unless you've got something positive to say regarding BB (or any company for that matter), back it up with some credibility, and include your real name and a mailing address. If you're not prepared to do that (scared of lawyers and the prospect of being summonsed to explain yourself to a magistrate or judge?), then you have NO CREDIBILITY no matter how strong your argument, comment, "proof" or "evidence".

When I first came here to RS, lurking in the background before registering the other day i thought, geez the dedication and tenacity of these people here sure are to be commended, I thought what are these people wasting their efforts here for, they should work for the police as detectives, or at interpol, then it struck me, it's the same pattern for each company and opportunity that's being slandered on this site, all anonymous comments, there's nothing for a lawyer to serve notices of defamation to as none of them actually 'man up' and back up their claims by revealing who they are beyond their screen handles.

Those of us who are currently in BB to whatever degree, as far as I know I'd guess the vast majority of us did at least some very basic due diligence, however deep or tiny that might have been, and we made the decision to part with some of our money to give this our "best shot". To have a bunch of self-proclaimed 'net-nannies' discouraging people from anything that involves taking the step towards some level of financial independence, or just a few extra $$ to help with bills and the mortgage, must make you feel real proud to keep another schlepp stuck in their 9-5 job - Just Over Broke is what the letters J.O.B. stand for. Let people make their own decisions without the bullshit and baseless garbage "proof", it's their money, no doubt some will get stung by some dodgey scheme, others discover that network marketing thing selling vitamins and juices isn't really anywhere as easy as they said at the meeting when I joined up, etc etc so it must be a scam? Hilarious and sad at the very same time.

Put up or shut up - got something negative to say about BB or anything else? Put your name and mailing address where your mouth is. Telephone numbers optional, some people can act on emotions harassing you in the middle of the night on the phone, playing the same game as you, in hiding behind an unlisted phone number, so if you have something worthwhile to say, real name and mailing address just in case the lawyers want to send you something in the post.

[noname999]

@waverider: Where and when did Chris go to college and what did he study?

I appreciate all the effort you went to with the above post but it is a little long winded, vague and inaccurate. You seem to have a bit of time to discuss BB going by the length of your post, it should only take a few seconds to answer my question. Looking forward to your answer.

Just on a side note. If you care to tell us here the name of the legal firm that are supposedly representing BB, I will be more than happy to contact them myself.

[EagleOne]

Yes indeed, welcome to the BS world of RS ...
(whip - whatever your real name and mailing address may be - the justice systems of most countries on the planet assume innocence until guilt is proven. People from BB do not need to provide any answers to defend their decision to join BB and put some money into it, we don't have to justify our position, however you lot do, as you're alleging guilt by way of what appears to me mostly trivial and baseless material scrounged up off the net, from blog posts, linked in, facebook, twitter and such....) - and then make such allegations hiding behind screen-names without revealing your real name and a real mailing address????????? Seriously! talk about no credibility, just a bunch of cynical, disheartened schmucks with nothing better to do with your time.....

There's good reason for the drive-by-posters, some pop up and disappear after a little while, some join the ranks of the others who, like me, will be sticking around for a wee bit, first to get feel of what's being said around here, a bit like the farmer taking a look around to see what parasites, pests and whatever else might pose some risk to his crop. It certainly does keep this thread moving and most entertaining, but like everything else, the novelty value fades away as it's the same drivel over and over and over again.

To all BB-defenders out there, your time and efforts defending the banners broker business is as much a waste of effort and time trying to convert pro-climate change people to believe otherwise, or telling your local Jehovas Witness crowd their god doesn't exist and their whole religion is a scam. Hmm, need I mention Scientology?

If you're on the pro-BB side, remember it is not your job trying to defend what you consider to be a legitimate kind of business to a bunch of 9-5 employee mentality people who think otherwise with what amounts to largely irrelevant observations, screen captures from blogs and otherwise.

If you feel you've been let down, or you believe you have been mislead by BB or a BB affiliate, and you are facing difficulty getting paid, or getting a refund within the prescribed time period after joining, all countries have relevant consumer affairs or fair trading departments to deal with such matters. Might not get you the money you think is owed to you, but an increasing pattern of such complaints against a company, which eventually turns into a pattern of increasing complaints made formally to the relevant government department, will eventually turn the lawmakers' attention to the company, and if in the unlikely event that BB is in fact a Ponzi, or is shown to have sufficient proportion of "ponzi elements" to the point that the whole scheme would collapse if the recruiting drive stalled or stopped, then it is up to the official lawmakers to take the appropriate action, and as in the case of Zeek, shut down. I personally did extensive due diligence on Zeek also, and my research did not see the company pass with flying colours. BB isn't clear out of the woods in my red flags department as many of their problems especially in terms of customer support and website accessibility issues, are often seen in relatively new companies that get caught on the back foot, risking becoming a victim of their own success.

Nothing is "no risk" and that includes banners broker, crossing the road, or hopping in your car to drive down town.

I've given it a punt with a sum of money about the same as what I'd blow on a typical afternoon out on the track. Would be a shame if the dreamstealers of RS are right, but i wouldn't lose sleep over the few hundred dollars I've put into the purchase of ad panels with BB, there's some level of risk with anything, but the last thing we need is a bunch of self-appointed 'net-nannies' bagging the living daylights out of anything they don't approve of, or do not fully understand.

We "pro-BB'ers" do not have to justify our position, defend the company from MLM scam, ponzi or other scam allegations from a bunch of people posting anonymously without disclosure of their real names, addresses and perhaps a phone number, and defend out decision to join this company as affiliates to the rest of the on-line.

In the real world, innocence is assumed until guilt is proven. By guilt, I'm not talking about screenshots of blogs and other stuff, and the endless, repetitive BS that's being spruiked by RS anti-BB'ers hell bent on bringing this company to its knees. This is called cyber terrorism, not providing an information resource to help a newbie make an informed decision whether BB (or any other company for that) is for them or not. Nothing's rock solid and 100% safe and secure, not even your job, folks. People ratting on their BS on RS crap on about BB affiliates having their account locked, or terminated, for making negative comments about BB. You may be interested to know that most MLM companies, including Tupperware, Avon, Amway, etc, do not take too kindly to negativity spread around the internet by affiliates, and their compliance departments again show no hesitation in reprimanding a rogue affiliate who is out there damaging the company's name.

Come to think of it, I dare you anti-BB RS'ers to foul-mouth your boss or the company you work for, USING YOUR REAL NAME, and see if you cop some flak if your boss found out. Many people have been sacked for inappropriate facebook comments against the company they work for....

Pro-BB'ers - take this to heart - there is good reason these people here trying to spread negative rumours and trivial observations they like to refer to as "facts" using anonymous screen names and without revealing their real names and addresses, and that's so that lawyers acting on behalf of the company whose good name they're trying to defame (in this case banners broker), can't serve them with cease-and-desist orders, just as the Taliban don't show their faces before they blow up some little village in Afghanistan or wherever they practise their acts of terrorism, cyber terrorism is exactly the same.

If they don't post their real name and a mailing address with their anti-BB comments, they have ZERO credibility. Nil, zip, nada. Absolutely nothing.
If I have a gripe about Vodafone, for example, regarding poor network speeds or other aspects such as call dropouts, poor customer service, and so forth, as I have many times in the past in places such as whirlpool, I post my REAL NAME, my mailing address, even my contact telephone number, so that the people at Vodafone, in this example, can identify my views as a legitimate complaint and grievance. I've actually had a senior Vodafone staff member (not an indian from a call centre in mumbai) call me to clarify what I was going on about in whirlpool. As my grievances and complaints were genuine, I was not asked to remove the posts, but how Vodafone can assist me. Got myself a free months mobile internet access, so I posted that, problem didn't seem to be resolved, but a brownie-point for giving me a free months' access as a gesture of goodwill.

Food for thought, folks! Unless you've got something positive to say regarding BB (or any company for that matter), back it up with some credibility, and include your real name and a mailing address. If you're not prepared to do that (scared of lawyers and the prospect of being summonsed to explain yourself to a magistrate or judge?), then you have NO CREDIBILITY no matter how strong your argument, comment, "proof" or "evidence".

When I first came here to RS, lurking in the background before registering the other day i thought, geez the dedication and tenacity of these people here sure are to be commended, I thought what are these people wasting their efforts here for, they should work for the police as detectives, or at interpol, then it struck me, it's the same pattern for each company and opportunity that's being slandered on this site, all anonymous comments, there's nothing for a lawyer to serve notices of defamation to as none of them actually 'man up' and back up their claims by revealing who they are beyond their screen handles.

Those of us who are currently in BB to whatever degree, as far as I know I'd guess the vast majority of us did at least some very basic due diligence, however deep or tiny that might have been, and we made the decision to part with some of our money to give this our "best shot". To have a bunch of self-proclaimed 'net-nannies' discouraging people from anything that involves taking the step towards some level of financial independence, or just a few extra $$ to help with bills and the mortgage, must make you feel real proud to keep another schlepp stuck in their 9-5 job - Just Over Broke is what the letters J.O.B. stand for. Let people make their own decisions without the bullshit and baseless garbage "proof", it's their money, no doubt some will get stung by some dodgey scheme, others discover that network marketing thing selling vitamins and juices isn't really anywhere as easy as they said at the meeting when I joined up, etc etc so it must be a scam? Hilarious and sad at the very same time.

Put up or shut up - got something negative to say about BB or anything else? Put your name and mailing address where your mouth is. Telephone numbers optional, some people can act on emotions harassing you in the middle of the night on the phone, playing the same game as you, in hiding behind an unlisted phone number, so if you have something worthwhile to say, real name and mailing address just in case the lawyers want to send you something in the post.

Awfully wordy as you could have said all of this in one paragraph. So put up or shut up? Seriously? :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol: So be the man/woman and be the first. Post your real name, address, and phone number is optional.

By the way, my real name, address and phone number is known to anyone who looks.

[Whip]

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Holy **** talk about a whole lotta nothing. Let's see that birth certificate with the name 'waverider' on it. "talk about no credibility!" lol. What a tool.
You're not getting your money back.

[noname999]

You there wave? Seriously, very simple questions about Chris and the name of the legal firm. If you don't know yourself you can ask your upline. I'll look forward to your response.

[waverider]

@noname999: Nobody is going to answer any questions or enter into any kind of dialog with somebody that's anonymously hiding behind a screen name and not revealing their real mailing address... I'm anonymous too, but that's not the point, I'm not one that's out there publicly defaming a multi-national company like BB.

I see you also want to know who BB's legal firm is, so you can contact them.

Did I read this right? May I ask what precisely you'd contact their lawyers about? Allegations that their client (BB) is a ponzi, fraud, scam?
That just doesn't make sense, usually it's the plaintiff that gets lawyers to initiate an action, such as a cease-and-desist, or a lawsuit to the defendant. Not the other way around, the defendant researches the lawfirm of the plaintiff (in this case BB), then what are you hoping to achieve? Do you seriously even believe that somebody who airs their grievances on the internet through outlets like this forum, anonymously without revealing their real name and mailing address, is going to be taken seriously by a law firm engaged by a multi-national company like Banners Broker ???

Thanks for the laugh buddy, enjoy your festive drinkies - but reality will still be here later on ;)

[noname999]

So you are refusing to answer the questions. Just wanted to be clear on that. That really does speak volumes.

Oh and by the way, Jason and Phil have given their real names and contact details here. And surprise surprise, no legal firm from BB has been in contact with them. The reason I will not give my real name is due to the harrassment they have already been through(of which there is proof).

[waverider]

So be the man/woman and be the first. Post your real name, address, and phone number is optional.

If and when the day comes where I can justify saying something about Banners Broker which is critical of the company, or certain aspects of it, then it will be backed up with my full name and address. I do not, however feel any need to go to such measures to justify myself, or my choice of company with whom I've decided to part with some of my hard earned money with.

Whip, I don't need to ask for my money back, I'm about $30 short of re-couping my original input ("investment") from back in August. So if BB collapses over this xmas/new year, I'm down to the tune of a cheap bottle of scotch. No big deal, a bigger shame though, even more so if the naysayers are right and the whole thing was a scam through-and-through (unlikely but nevertheless a possibility I suppose).

[noname999]

I'm anonymous too, but that's not the point,

That was exacty your point, read back over your own post. How about the Sunday World and The Examiner, are they remaining anonymous too? What about Joe Duffy?


I'm not one that's out there publicly defaming a multi-national company like BB.

I think you'll find, for the most part, I'm simply asking questions. Doing my own due diligence. I'm not getting any answers though.

[waverider]

@noname999: Ah the age-old harassment excuse eh? That's why I say phone numbers are optional, nothing worse than phone ringing all night long and nobody there when you answer itbut if somebody decides to send you death threats or threatening to slash your tyres, you can always take the letter to the local police. They WILL take that seriously, but nobody's going to take seriously some noob foul-mouthing a multi-national on-line advertising outfit like BB, even if some things look a big dodgey (I did find the garage HQ rather amusing).

Jason (Poyol) and Phil, please don't hold back and keep up the heat and don't stop flapping your gums about the evils of BB - and I'd be very surprised if one or both of you didn't end up with a soliticors' letter in the mail some day in the not-too-distant future. Only a matter of time.

[noname999]

Jason (Poyol) and Phil, please don't hold back and keep up the heat and don't stop flapping your gums about the evils of BB - and I'd be very surprised if one or both of you didn't end up with a soliticors' letter in the mail some day in the not-too-distant future. Only a matter of time.

Now you are telling lies

[noname999]

Come on wave, Tell us about Chris Smith. You said you did due diligence. BB is supposedly a company that is masterminded by this guy. If someone approached me from BB and told me about this genius the first thing I would do is check him out. I assume it was exactly what you did?

[waverider]

Sunday World is a trash tabloid that's great entertainment value for many people, sensationalist headlines and stories sell papers and glue peepers onto TV screens.

You got me, @noname999 - BB must be a scam, the Sunday World, Examiner, Joe Duffy and about a dozen or two half-wits who haven't got the balls to show who they are, Jason and Phil have in making their details relatively locatable for a legal firm wanting to take the matter a step further.

You're doing due diligence. Cool. From what I read, you're well and truly done with your due diligence. Chance of you joining BB = zero. And still you continue with your due diligence, in public, without proper disclosure one would expect from a fair and valid complaint or grievance.

Credibility = Zero.


That was exacty your point, read back over your own post. How about the Sunday World and The Examiner, are they remaining anonymous too? What about Joe Duffy?



I think you'll find, for the most part, I'm simply asking questions. Doing my own due diligence. I'm not getting any answers though.

[noname999]

Come on wave, give us the name of the college and the year. It will only take 30 seconds...probably less...

[waverider]

I don't need to detail my extensive due diligence to a bunch of trolls hiding behind anonymous screen handles, nor do I need to justify myself in any way. As a consenting adult, I decided to throw a few hundred dollars at this, if my extensive due diligence would have found more of what I was seeking, I would have put in several thousands of dollars - as adults we make our own decisions, however well or poorly we've researched the reasons for our decisions, but what we don't need is a bunch of trolls acting as some kind of private detective /police department with trivial, circumstantial stuff in a feeble attempt to damage the reputation of a young, growing multi-national on-line advertising company like Banners Broker.

No doubt if google chose to share its profits like Banners Broker, rather than developing browsers, android phones and operating systems and other wonderful stuff google's famous for, well the big cheese would be a scam in your books too. Simply hilarious, but a sad sign of the state of affairs with some people. Looks like the trolls love feeding on negativity and putting anything and everything and anybody who thinks different to them, down...


Come on wave, Tell us about Chris Smith. You said you did due diligence. BB is supposedly a company that is masterminded by this guy. If someone approached me from BB and told me about this genius the first thing I would do is check him out. I assume it was exactly what you did?

[noname999]

No negativity here. Just unanswered questions.

[waverider]

i see the trolls are getting excited :RpS_smile:

[noname999]

Even that answer is longer than the name of the college and the year would be. Why won't you tell us? Why do you keep avoiding the question? Everyone reading knows, why don't you just come clean?

[waverider]

Firstly, if I did know the name of the college and the year, I certainly wouldn't be disclosing that to a bunch of anonymous trolls and cyber terrorists with an agenda to turn everything against the company and its reputation. And if Chris did major as some kind of maths genius, as is claimed, would it matter because if he majored in some university, it then too would be slandered and put down by the trolls in here. Even if he graduated from Harvard or Yale, those well-known universities would then be labelled as a scam or whatever.
Secondly, I don't know which university Chris went to, and I don't particularly care. College degrees and graduating university don't always rank very highly in my books, as a matter of face from personal experiences, some of the worst companies I've worked for, and worked with, was run by highly educated, bureaucrat types with degrees and certificates to wallpaper their whole office with, proves nothing except the fundamentals of knowledge.

@noname999 - would i be correct in assuming that you would never, ever want anything to do with any company where it can't be proven conclusively that the person or people at the top went through university and were thus suitably qualified to be in charge or (or owning) a business, like BB ?

Quite frankly, I wouldn't care less if Chris Smith was a college drop-out.
That would put him into the same category as Michael Dell, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Ralph Lauren, and others
(source Wiki : List of college dropout billionaires - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_dropout_billionaires) )

[Theseus]

Yes indeed, welcome to the BS world of RS ...
(whip - whatever your real name and mailing address may be - the justice systems of most countries on the planet assume innocence until guilt is proven. People from BB do not need to provide any answers to defend their decision to join BB and put some money into it, we don't have to justify our position, however you lot do, as you're alleging guilt by way of what appears to me mostly trivial and baseless material scrounged up off the net, from blog posts, linked in, facebook, twitter and such....) - and then make such allegations hiding behind screen-names without revealing your real name and a real mailing address????????? Seriously! talk about no credibility, just a bunch of cynical, disheartened schmucks with nothing better to do with your time.....

The majority of the information here comes from the data supplied by BB and its supporters themselves, whether to government agencies or or other legal entities. The entire pro-BB defence seems to be based on what "Chris Smith" or Raj Dixit have said in a webinar.



There's good reason for the drive-by-posters, some pop up and disappear after a little while, some join the ranks of the others who, like me, will be sticking around for a wee bit, first to get feel of what's being said around here, a bit like the farmer taking a look around to see what parasites, pests and whatever else might pose some risk to his crop. It certainly does keep this thread moving and most entertaining, but like everything else, the novelty value fades away as it's the same drivel over and over and over again.

To all BB-defenders out there, your time and efforts defending the banners broker business is as much a waste of effort and time trying to convert pro-climate change people to believe otherwise, or telling your local Jehovas Witness crowd their god doesn't exist and their whole religion is a scam. Hmm, need I mention Scientology?

If you're on the pro-BB side, remember it is not your job trying to defend what you consider to be a legitimate kind of business to a bunch of 9-5 employee mentality people who think otherwise with what amounts to largely irrelevant observations, screen captures from blogs and otherwise.



Yet here you are.......



If you feel you've been let down, or you believe you have been mislead by BB or a BB affiliate, and you are facing difficulty getting paid, or getting a refund within the prescribed time period after joining, all countries have relevant consumer affairs or fair trading departments to deal with such matters. Might not get you the money you think is owed to you, but an increasing pattern of such complaints against a company, which eventually turns into a pattern of increasing complaints made formally to the relevant government department, will eventually turn the lawmakers' attention to the company, and if in the unlikely event that BB is in fact a Ponzi, or is shown to have sufficient proportion of "ponzi elements" to the point that the whole scheme would collapse if the recruiting drive stalled or stopped, then it is up to the official lawmakers to take the appropriate action, and as in the case of Zeek, shut down. I personally did extensive due diligence on Zeek also, and my research did not see the company pass with flying colours. BB isn't clear out of the woods in my red flags department as many of their problems especially in terms of customer support and website accessibility issues, are often seen in relatively new companies that get caught on the back foot, risking becoming a victim of their own success.

Nothing is "no risk" and that includes banners broker, crossing the road, or hopping in your car to drive down town.


Yet the line taken by those promoting (http://www.empowernetwork.com/susan4457/blog/practically-impossible-not-to-make-money/) it is

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That sounds awfully like a "no risk" boast to me.



I've given it a punt with a sum of money about the same as what I'd blow on a typical afternoon out on the track. Would be a shame if the dreamstealers of RS are right, but i wouldn't lose sleep over the few hundred dollars I've put into the purchase of ad panels with BB, there's some level of risk with anything, but the last thing we need is a bunch of self-appointed 'net-nannies' bagging the living daylights out of anything they don't approve of, or do not fully understand.

Is there some BB promotion in place that gives extra traffic for using the word "dreamstealer"? Not that it's actually a real word.

Much in the way Banners Broker isn't a real company.



We "pro-BB'ers" do not have to justify our position, defend the company from MLM scam, ponzi or other scam allegations from a bunch of people posting anonymously without disclosure of their real names, addresses and perhaps a phone number, and defend out decision to join this company as affiliates to the rest of the on-line.

No, you don't. Yet, again, here you are....



In the real world, innocence is assumed until guilt is proven. By guilt, I'm not talking about screenshots of blogs and other stuff, and the endless, repetitive BS that's being spruiked by RS anti-BB'ers hell bent on bringing this company to its knees. This is called cyber terrorism, not providing an information resource to help a newbie make an informed decision whether BB (or any other company for that) is for them or not. Nothing's rock solid and 100% safe and secure, not even your job, folks. People ratting on their BS on RS crap on about BB affiliates having their account locked, or terminated, for making negative comments about BB. You may be interested to know that most MLM companies, including Tupperware, Avon, Amway, etc, do not take too kindly to negativity spread around the internet by affiliates, and their compliance departments again show no hesitation in reprimanding a rogue affiliate who is out there damaging the company's name.

No, it's not (http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/definition/cyberterrorism)

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Come to think of it, I dare you anti-BB RS'ers to foul-mouth your boss or the company you work for, USING YOUR REAL NAME, and see if you cop some flak if your boss found out. Many people have been sacked for inappropriate facebook comments against the company they work for....

Pro-BB'ers - take this to heart - there is good reason these people here trying to spread negative rumours and trivial observations they like to refer to as "facts" using anonymous screen names and without revealing their real names and addresses, and that's so that lawyers acting on behalf of the company whose good name they're trying to defame (in this case banners broker), can't serve them with cease-and-desist orders, just as the Taliban don't show their faces before they blow up some little village in Afghanistan or wherever they practise their acts of terrorism, cyber terrorism is exactly the same.

Ah, yes those mythical lawyers again. Why haven't they issued cease and desist notices on any of the newspapers that they claim have been publishing falsehoods? Could it perhaps be because they don't exist?



If they don't post their real name and a mailing address with their anti-BB comments, they have ZERO credibility. Nil, zip, nada. Absolutely nothing.

If I have a gripe about Vodafone, for example, regarding poor network speeds or other aspects such as call dropouts, poor customer service, and so forth, as I have many times in the past in places such as whirlpool, I post my REAL NAME, my mailing address, even my contact telephone number, so that the people at Vodafone, in this example, can identify my views as a legitimate complaint and grievance. I've actually had a senior Vodafone staff member (not an indian from a call centre in mumbai) call me to clarify what I was going on about in whirlpool. As my grievances and complaints were genuine, I was not asked to remove the posts, but how Vodafone can assist me. Got myself a free months mobile internet access, so I posted that, problem didn't seem to be resolved, but a brownie-point for giving me a free months' access as a gesture of goodwill.


You're obviously quite proud of yourself for having thought that one up, as you mentioned it a few times now. Trouble is, I don't see your "real name and a mailing address" attached to anything you've written, so regarding credibility.........



Food for thought, folks! Unless you've got something positive to say regarding BB (or any company for that matter), back it up with some credibility, and include your real name and a mailing address. If you're not prepared to do that (scared of lawyers and the prospect of being summonsed to explain yourself to a magistrate or judge?), then you have NO CREDIBILITY no matter how strong your argument, comment, "proof" or "evidence".

When I first came here to RS, lurking in the background before registering the other day i thought, geez the dedication and tenacity of these people here sure are to be commended, I thought what are these people wasting their efforts here for, they should work for the police as detectives, or at interpol, then it struck me, it's the same pattern for each company and opportunity that's being slandered on this site, all anonymous comments, there's nothing for a lawyer to serve notices of defamation to as none of them actually 'man up' and back up their claims by revealing who they are beyond their screen handles.

Those of us who are currently in BB to whatever degree, as far as I know I'd guess the vast majority of us did at least some very basic due diligence, however deep or tiny that might have been, and we made the decision to part with some of our money to give this our "best shot". To have a bunch of self-proclaimed 'net-nannies' discouraging people from anything that involves taking the step towards some level of financial independence, or just a few extra $$ to help with bills and the mortgage, must make you feel real proud to keep another schlepp stuck in their 9-5 job - Just Over Broke is what the letters J.O.B. stand for. Let people make their own decisions without the bullshit and baseless garbage "proof", it's their money, no doubt some will get stung by some dodgey scheme, others discover that network marketing thing selling vitamins and juices isn't really anywhere as easy as they said at the meeting when I joined up, etc etc so it must be a scam? Hilarious and sad at the very same time.

Put up or shut up - got something negative to say about BB or anything else? Put your name and mailing address where your mouth is. Telephone numbers optional, some people can act on emotions harassing you in the middle of the night on the phone, playing the same game as you, in hiding behind an unlisted phone number, so if you have something worthwhile to say, real name and mailing address just in case the lawyers want to send you something in the post.

There you go again, in your anonymous post, with that bit about names and addresses. Mind you, to be fair, we already know yours....



Don't we, Roger :RpS_wink:

[ProfHenryHiggins]

Waverider, if you don't mind... what profits are there to be shared? Look as I might, I do not seem to be able to identify a single banner from BB that advertizes anything other than BB itself. Could you point out half a dozen sites that have one for me?

[noname999]

Now, was that, that hard. All you had to say was: I do not know.

Wow, you really do try to make things difficult. Now, next question. Why don't you know?

[noname999]

Waverider, if you don't mind... what profits are there to be shared? Look as I might, I do not seem to be able to identify a single banner from BB that advertizes anything other than BB itself. Could you point out half a dozen sites that have one for me?

Oh God...you are not attempting to ask him a simple question, that should have a simple answer, are you? This could take all day. I'm going to the gym...

[ProfHenryHiggins]

Oh God...you are not attempting to ask him a simple question, that should have a simple answer, are you? This could take all day. I'm going to the gym...


Sorry. Should I have just asked him, "Are you or are you not Janrus Abello, the BB member who goes by drblitz?" instead?

[waverider]

Waverider, if you don't mind... what profits are there to be shared? Look as I might, I do not seem to be able to identify a single banner from BB that advertizes anything other than BB itself. Could you point out half a dozen sites that have one for me?

Banners Broker is a brokerage - at this time, it doesn't actually serve up its own ads, as I understand it, clicksor is one of the major blind advertising networks is uses as its link between its advertisers and the publisher networks.

Here's a couple I've stumbled across in the past month or two :
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and another one...
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(clicking on the banner sends you to bannersbroker.com and not an affiliate site btw)

[Theseus]

Firstly, if I did know the name of the college and the year, I certainly wouldn't be disclosing that to a bunch of anonymous trolls and cyber terrorists with an agenda to turn everything against the company and its reputation. And if Chris did major as some kind of maths genius, as is claimed, would it matter because if he majored in some university, it then too would be slandered and put down by the trolls in here. Even if he graduated from Harvard or Yale, those well-known universities would then be labelled as a scam or whatever.
Secondly, I don't know which university Chris went to, and I don't particularly care. College degrees and graduating university don't always rank very highly in my books, as a matter of face from personal experiences, some of the worst companies I've worked for, and worked with, was run by highly educated, bureaucrat types with degrees and certificates to wallpaper their whole office with, proves nothing except the fundamentals of knowledge.



What a load of utter tripe. This "Chris Smith" has no backstory whatsoever. Prior to November 2010 it appears he simply didn't exist. Let's say he did though, any company with a half decent marketing department would seize on their founders academic qualifications, including where they were awarded, as a very useful "halo" to reassure investors customers. It's basic Marketing 101 stuff.

Mind you, any marketer with an ounce of common sense wouldn't choose MLM websites and Twitter as the medium through to launch an advertising brokerage firm.....



Quite frankly, I wouldn't care less if Chris Smith was a college drop-out.
That would put him into the same category as Michael Dell, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Ralph Lauren, and others
(source Wiki : List of college dropout billionaires - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_dropout_billionaires) )

Yeaaaah, except, and Wikipedia will back me up on this, not one of those you've mentioned arrived on this earth as a fully grown man with a family. Without exception they all have backstories.

Oh, and not one of them operates their business from behind a nominee director in a tax haven.

And none, to my knowledge,has metamorphosised from a white man to a black one....

[Theseus]

Banners Broker is a brokerage - at this time, it doesn't actually serve up its own ads, as I understand it, clicksor is one of the major blind advertising networks is uses as its link between its advertisers and the publisher networks.

Here's a couple I've stumbled across in the past month or two :
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and another one...
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(clicking on the banner sends you to bannersbroker.com and not an affiliate site btw)

Why are the adverts almost always for Banners Broker itself? And why is this "contextual advertising" that is boasted about in the BB promotionals, in English, on a Portuguese website?

If that's meant to be an indication of what BB does to create all those millionaires then it's an epic FAIL:RpS_lol:

[waverider]

Oh, and not one of them operates their business from behind a nominee director in a tax haven.

Hate to be a spoil-sport, but this kind of practise if more common than you think amongst companies and high net-worth individuals for the purposes of asset protection.

Hmmm, even the big cheese, Google, uses a complicated legal structure with tax havens to save it $3.1billion in tax since 2007, thus boosting last years' overall earning by 26%.

Source: The Tax Haven That's Saving Google Billions - Businessweek (http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_44/b4201043146825.htm)

In Bermuda there's no corporate income tax at all. Google's profits travel to the island's white sands via a convoluted route known to tax lawyers as the "Double Irish" and the "Dutch Sandwich." In Google's case, it generally works like this: When a company in Europe, the Middle East, or Africa purchases a search ad through Google, it sends the money to Google Ireland. The Irish government taxes corporate profits at 12.5 percent, but Google mostly escapes that tax because its earnings don't stay in the Dublin office, which reported a pretax profit of less than 1 percent of revenues in 2008.

Irish law makes it difficult for Google to send the money directly to Bermuda without incurring a large tax hit, so the payment makes a brief detour through the Netherlands, since Ireland doesn't tax certain payments to companies in other European Union states. Once the money is in the Netherlands, Google can take advantage of generous Dutch tax laws. Its subsidiary there, Google Netherlands Holdings, is just a shell (it has no employees) and passes on about 99.8 percent of what it collects to Bermuda. (The subsidiary managed in Bermuda is technically an Irish company, hence the "Double Irish" nickname.)

[waverider]

anyways, the trolls are excited, somebody else from the BB side of the fence they can have a go at - I'm off to the gym myself ;)

[Theseus]

Hate to be a spoil-sport, but this kind of practise if more common than you think amongst companies and high net-worth individuals for the purposes of asset protection.

Hmmm, even the big cheese, Google, uses a complicated legal structure with tax havens to save it $3.1billion in tax since 2007, thus boosting last years' overall earning by 26%.

Source: The Tax Haven That's Saving Google Billions - Businessweek (http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_44/b4201043146825.htm)

In Bermuda there's no corporate income tax at all. Google's profits travel to the island's white sands via a convoluted route known to tax lawyers as the "Double Irish" and the "Dutch Sandwich." In Google's case, it generally works like this: When a company in Europe, the Middle East, or Africa purchases a search ad through Google, it sends the money to Google Ireland. The Irish government taxes corporate profits at 12.5 percent, but Google mostly escapes that tax because its earnings don't stay in the Dublin office, which reported a pretax profit of less than 1 percent of revenues in 2008.

Irish law makes it difficult for Google to send the money directly to Bermuda without incurring a large tax hit, so the payment makes a brief detour through the Netherlands, since Ireland doesn't tax certain payments to companies in other European Union states. Once the money is in the Netherlands, Google can take advantage of generous Dutch tax laws. Its subsidiary there, Google Netherlands Holdings, is just a shell (it has no employees) and passes on about 99.8 percent of what it collects to Bermuda. (The subsidiary managed in Bermuda is technically an Irish company, hence the "Double Irish" nickname.)

Again, yeaaah....the difference being Google et al, don't hide behind nominee directors, and they certainly don't boast that they'll keep moving their registered offices from one tax haven to the next to avoid being caught :RpS_wink:


anyways, the trolls are excited, somebody else from the BB side of the fence they can have a go at - I'm off to the gym myself ;)

Bye, Roger :watching_you:

[Whip]

You're obviously quite proud of yourself for having thought that one up, as you mentioned it a few times now. Trouble is, I don't see your "real name and a mailing address" attached to anything you've written, so regarding credibility.........



There you go again, in your anonymous post, with that bit about names and addresses. Mind you, to be fair, we already know yours....


It's from chapter 2 of the scammers handbook. It's been used so many times before it's become cliche. Another sign they have absolutely nothing.

[EagleOne]

Don't you just love the Ponzi shills like waverider. Hmm, let's see. You won't show any proof because as you claim we are all a bunch of no-name people that won't post our real names and addresses. That is the only reason why you won't disprove all of our posts, right? :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol::RpS_lol:

If you "could" disprove any of what we have said about BB, you would have already been ripping us apart to show us how wrong we all are. The fastest and quickest way to shut up us "Trolls," as you call us. But here you are ducking the questions and any answers with comparisons to everything other than the real issue of BB. Calling all of us names instead of putting us in our place with answers and provable facts about BB. And you think we are taking you seriously? Boy do you have a lot to learn. But just like chinacastle, you are doing more to prove that BB is a Ponzi rather than just our exposure of it being a Ponzi.

Keep talking, you're doing a great job of proving all of us right. Can't wait for your reply. Be sure to toss in the government is the biggest Ponzi of them all.

PS: You are living proof that this blog is having an impact on recruiting for BB or you wouldn't be here trying to discredit all of us. Epic fail.

[samuel.r]

Hate to be a spoil-sport, but this kind of practise if more common than you think amongst companies and high net-worth individuals for the purposes of asset protection.

Hmmm, even the big cheese, Google, uses a complicated legal structure with tax havens to save it $3.1billion in tax since 2007, thus boosting last years' overall earning by 26%.

Source: The Tax Haven That's Saving Google Billions - Businessweek (http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_44/b4201043146825.htm)

In Bermuda there's no corporate income tax at all. Google's profits travel to the island's white sands via a convoluted route known to tax lawyers as the "Double Irish" and the "Dutch Sandwich." In Google's case, it generally works like this: When a company in Europe, the Middle East, or Africa purchases a search ad through Google, it sends the money to Google Ireland. The Irish government taxes corporate profits at 12.5 percent, but Google mostly escapes that tax because its earnings don't stay in the Dublin office, which reported a pretax profit of less than 1 percent of revenues in 2008.

Irish law makes it difficult for Google to send the money directly to Bermuda without incurring a large tax hit, so the payment makes a brief detour through the Netherlands, since Ireland doesn't tax certain payments to companies in other European Union states. Once the money is in the Netherlands, Google can take advantage of generous Dutch tax laws. Its subsidiary there, Google Netherlands Holdings, is just a shell (it has no employees) and passes on about 99.8 percent of what it collects to Bermuda. (The subsidiary managed in Bermuda is technically an Irish company, hence the "Double Irish" nickname.)

You have no idea what transfer pricing is or how it works. The reason BB is (supposedly) based in Isle of Man and/or Belize has nothing to do with moving profits from its ongoing operations, to a lower tax rate nexus.

I find it amusing that the fact that nobody knows which college or university "Chris Smith" attended is becoming such a huge thorn in the side of the BB mind-hive. Any day now we should be getting a certified transcript posted from a university that has shut down in the last 10-15 years.

Here's another easy question: Name one industry insider at any of the major ad networks or agencies that can vouch for Chris Smith. Even the ones that he talked to but didn't want to do business with him two years ago when Chris launched this breakthrough business. Give us ONE name of someone connected to the online advertising industry that Chris has pitched to or discussed a business proposition with, who could be contacted to simply confirm that such a conversation took place.

Have at it.

[Hypanor]

Hate to be a spoil-sport, but this kind of practise if more common than you think amongst companies and high net-worth individuals for the purposes of asset protection.

Hmmm, even the big cheese, Google, uses a complicated legal structure with tax havens to save it $3.1billion in tax since 2007, thus boosting last years' overall earning by 26%.

Source: The Tax Haven That's Saving Google Billions - Businessweek (http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_44/b4201043146825.htm)

In Bermuda there's no corporate income tax at all. Google's profits travel to the island's white sands via a convoluted route known to tax lawyers as the "Double Irish" and the "Dutch Sandwich." In Google's case, it generally works like this: When a company in Europe, the Middle East, or Africa purchases a search ad through Google, it sends the money to Google Ireland. The Irish government taxes corporate profits at 12.5 percent, but Google mostly escapes that tax because its earnings don't stay in the Dublin office, which reported a pretax profit of less than 1 percent of revenues in 2008.

Irish law makes it difficult for Google to send the money directly to Bermuda without incurring a large tax hit, so the payment makes a brief detour through the Netherlands, since Ireland doesn't tax certain payments to companies in other European Union states. Once the money is in the Netherlands, Google can take advantage of generous Dutch tax laws. Its subsidiary there, Google Netherlands Holdings, is just a shell (it has no employees) and passes on about 99.8 percent of what it collects to Bermuda. (The subsidiary managed in Bermuda is technically an Irish company, hence the "Double Irish" nickname.)

Well done, you've done some research into Google. Now do the same for Banners Broker - where DOES the money go?


If I have a gripe about Vodafone, for example, regarding poor network speeds or other aspects such as call dropouts, poor customer service, and so forth, as I have many times in the past in places such as whirlpool, I post my REAL NAME, my mailing address, even my contact telephone number, so that the people at Vodafone, in this example, can identify my views as a legitimate complaint and grievance

If you don't mind, could you post a link to this? Its pretty rare for someone to post their personal details on Whirlpool.


As my grievances and complaints were genuine, I was not asked to remove the posts
Which is stretching the truth somewhat, as you couldn't remove the posts even if you wanted to. Like here, posts can only be removed by admins and mods.

[okosh]

Question 1:

Where & when did Chris Smith go to college and what did he study?

This is open to all BB people. I'm not looking for double speak, hyperbole or off topic remarks...just a name, a year and a subject. It couldn't be simpler.

He went to Scam College located in Scamville where his major was "fraud and deceit"......

Any more questions please feel free to ask and I will answer :RpS_wink:

[okosh]

What due diligence did you do?

He checked for "I got paid" posts at the talkgold hyip-ponzi forum.....

Any more questions please feel free to ask and I will answer :RpS_wink:

[Whip]

He went to Scam College located in Scamville where his major was "fraud and deceit"......

Any more questions please feel free to ask and I will answer :RpS_wink:

lol.......

[Whip]

You have no idea what transfer pricing is or how it works. The reason BB is (supposedly) based in Isle of Man and/or Belize has nothing to do with moving profits from its ongoing operations, to a lower tax rate nexus.

I find it amusing that the fact that nobody knows which college or university "Chris Smith" attended is becoming such a huge thorn in the side of the BB mind-hive. Any day now we should be getting a certified transcript posted from a university that has shut down in the last 10-15 years.

Here's another easy question: Name one industry insider at any of the major ad networks or agencies that can vouch for Chris Smith. Even the ones that he talked to but didn't want to do business with him two years ago when Chris launched this breakthrough business. Give us ONE name of someone connected to the online advertising industry that Chris has pitched to or discussed a business proposition with, who could be contacted to simply confirm that such a conversation took place.

Have at it.

It's equally fascinating that this alleged math genius isn't tied to anything important. Why is he not educating the math prodigies in a university?
Maybe he's ended up like this: A life that doesn't add up: The Cambridge maths genius who is now a recluse living on tinned mackerel | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2035804/A-life-doesnt-add-The-Cambridge-maths-genius-recluse-living-tinned-mackerel.html)

[okosh]

Is Chris Smith his real name?

Yes...Just like John Citizen is a real person employed by Mastercard and Visa for their TV adds....

Any more questions please feel free to ask and I will answer :RpS_wink:

[okosh]

Is Chris Smith really a math genius??

YES....He learned math at the same place my accountant did....Which means that 1+1=whatever you want it to be.....

Any more questions please feel free to ask and I will answer :RpS_wink:

[okosh]

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3797/owenrw.jpg

Great book....IMHO ANYONE even thinking to join BB or a similar program should be made to read this book first...

[okosh]

Successful businessperson for over 30 years? Hmm, can't spell, use punctuation, or grammar, and you have been a successful businessperson for over 30 years?

I resemble that comment.....
Many successful business people were never poisoned by the BS they teach in business school.....
BS like, "the customer is always right"....Or, "drop your prices to increase sales"....
Only educated idiots follow that stuff...

[Hypanor]

and another one...
2433
(clicking on the banner sends you to bannersbroker.com and not an affiliate site btw)

I've yet to see a website advertising BB (or with an advert supposedly delivered via BB) that isn't either part of the Choice network, or owned by a BB affiliate.
So a quick look at tvphd.com (or TVPortugalHD.com) - registered anonymously. But there is another site hosted on the same IP address theroyalmail.info. Typing in this URL and you get auto-forwarded to tvphd.com. theroyalmail.info is registered to DocLocker.com, who is a cloud computing based business in Sydney (not a domain registrar). I thought perhaps they do the video serving or something for tvphd, but that doesn't really fit in with their 'About Us' business.

So why does a Portuguese site purportedly hosting BB adverts have a link back to a non-related Australian company? As you can tell, I'm always on the sniff for Australian and NZ connections... but could be off on a tangent here.

[Nourjan]

It's equally fascinating that this alleged math genius isn't tied to anything important. Why is he not educating the math prodigies in a university?
Maybe he's ended up like this: A life that doesn't add up: The Cambridge maths genius who is now a recluse living on tinned mackerel | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2035804/A-life-doesnt-add-The-Cambridge-maths-genius-recluse-living-tinned-mackerel.html)

I'm not surprised, you can find math geniuses in rather unexpected places

Danica McKellar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danica_McKellar)

Danica McKellar - IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005211/)


I hope you guys didn't scare china away,he is truly one of the most entertaining posters of late.Made me laughed almost as hard as the best of cracked articles.

[activeone]

Does he REALLY need to know? I, for one, also tends towards respect 'street smarts' far more than academic geniuses. Gates, Dell, Zuckerberg were all college drop-outs. In their respective companies' early days, none of them had much of a track record, and all had one thing in common, they were geeky, or nerdy kinds of people with an idea, a vision and the determination to make things happen, and all quite literally started out working out of a garage.


Now, was that, that hard. All you had to say was: I do not know.
Wow, you really do try to make things difficult. Now, next question. Why don't you know?

[Hypanor]

Yes Roger, but all those people went to school, had classmates, people who could say "Yep, he was a nerd/great guy/maths genius/sociopath". All had this little thing called 'history'. We can even find some of your history easily enough. But find history on 'Chris Smith', IT Genius and Maths Whizz, Inventor of the Greatest Marketing Program in History - nada.

The CEO of my comparatively miniscule company gets more news time - I think he's had 6 or 7 pieces published on him this year. Chris Smith? - nada.
I can Google my CEO (or the CEO of our opposition), and his (their) name comes up with all sorts of hits. Chris Smith? - nada.

Not a single piece of news column space has been used anywhere in the world saying "hey, better keep an eye out for this guy Chris Smith - he's setting the world on fire". However there has been 4 or 5 newspaper articles on Banners Broker itself. They weren't very good reading if your an affiliate though, so I won't post the links here.

[littleroundman]

Yes Roger, but all those people went to school, had classmates, people who could say "Yep, he was a nerd/great guy/maths genius/sociopath". All had this little thing called 'history'. We can even find some of your history easily enough. But find history on 'Chris Smith', IT Genius and Maths Whizz, Inventor of the Greatest Marketing Program in History - nada.

The CEO of my comparatively miniscule company gets more news time - I think he's had 6 or 7 pieces published on him this year. Chris Smith? - nada.
I can Google my CEO (or the CEO of our opposition), and his (their) name comes up with all sorts of hits. Chris Smith? - nada.

Not a single piece of news column space has been used anywhere in the world saying "hey, better keep an eye out for this guy Chris Smith - he's setting the world on fire". However there has been 4 or 5 newspaper articles on Banners Broker itself. They weren't very good reading if your an affiliate though, so I won't post the links here.

Consider all those Wall Street whiz kids.

Have any of them heard of him ??

Consider the squillions of advertising dollars spent each day on Madison Avenue.

Any of them hear of him ???

Forbes Magazine ????

The Wall Street Journal ???

The investment guy on the news every night ???

Someone ???

Anyone ??

[Joe_Shmoe]

If you want to know more about Roger Stockburgler click on the link in my sig.:RpS_wink:

[StevenHoward]

chinacastle IF you want people to understand your posts here, it's better not to post a wall of text.

Paragraphs are your friend & ours.

They really do make long posts full of lies easier to understand.

I'd suggest he or she also starts using correct Queens English, and not in "text" mode.

Would anyone, anywhere honestly consider going into any sort of business with someone who presents themselves in such an unprofessional manner as "china"?.

Now let's be fair to BB, the vast majority of people in there tend to be of reasonable intelligence with the capability of stringing together coherent sentences and not some knuckle dragging bufoon.

[StevenHoward]

a im fluent in irish, spanish and german so hop off to bed mate lol , nighttt

Ah !!, that explains your inability to write English, now we understand, please do carry on.

[StevenHoward]

If and when the day comes where I can justify saying something about Banners Broker which is critical of the company, or certain aspects of it, then it will be backed up with my full name and address. I do not, however feel any need to go to such measures to justify myself, or my choice of company with whom I've decided to part with some of my hard earned money with.

Whip, I don't need to ask for my money back, I'm about $30 short of re-couping my original input ("investment") from back in August. So if BB collapses over this xmas/new year, I'm down to the tune of a cheap bottle of scotch. No big deal, a bigger shame though, even more so if the naysayers are right and the whole thing was a scam through-and-through (unlikely but nevertheless a possibility I suppose).

Now you CAN'T post your real name, if you do BB will close your account.

You used the word INVESTMENT.

Doesn't THAT fact alone start ringing alarm bells ?

[waverider]

What a bunch of dills, seriously - on your side of the fence your excuse for not posting your real name is you'll get harassed (yeah, by lawyers for your defamation), and then you turn it around by stating that if we posted our real names we'll risk having our BB accounts closed (or suspended). So what's your point ??

[hendyphilhendy]

Yes indeed, welcome to the BS world of RS ...
(whip - whatever your real name and mailing address may be - the justice systems of most countries on the planet assume innocence until guilt is proven. People from BB do not need to provide any answers to defend their decision to join BB and put some money into it, we don't have to justify our position, however you lot do, as you're alleging guilt by way of what appears to me mostly trivial and baseless material scrounged up off the net, from blog posts, linked in, facebook, twitter and such....) - and then make such allegations hiding behind screen-names without revealing your real name and a real mailing address????????? Seriously! talk about no credibility, just a bunch of cynical, disheartened schmucks with nothing better to do with your time.....

There's good reason for the drive-by-posters, some pop up and disappear after a little while, some join the ranks of the others who, like me, will be sticking around for a wee bit, first to get feel of what's being said around here, a bit like the farmer taking a look around to see what parasites, pests and whatever else might pose some risk to his crop. It certainly does keep this thread moving and most entertaining, but like everything else, the novelty value fades away as it's the same drivel over and over and over again.

To all BB-defenders out there, your time and efforts defending the banners broker business is as much a waste of effort and time trying to convert pro-climate change people to believe otherwise, or telling your local Jehovas Witness crowd their god doesn't exist and their whole religion is a scam. Hmm, need I mention Scientology?

If you're on the pro-BB side, remember it is not your job trying to defend what you consider to be a legitimate kind of business to a bunch of 9-5 employee mentality people who think otherwise with what amounts to largely irrelevant observations, screen captures from blogs and otherwise.

If you feel you've been let down, or you believe you have been mislead by BB or a BB affiliate, and you are facing difficulty getting paid, or getting a refund within the prescribed time period after joining, all countries have relevant consumer affairs or fair trading departments to deal with such matters. Might not get you the money you think is owed to you, but an increasing pattern of such complaints against a company, which eventually turns into a pattern of increasing complaints made formally to the relevant government department, will eventually turn the lawmakers' attention to the company, and if in the unlikely event that BB is in fact a Ponzi, or is shown to have sufficient proportion of "ponzi elements" to the point that the whole scheme would collapse if the recruiting drive stalled or stopped, then it is up to the official lawmakers to take the appropriate action, and as in the case of Zeek, shut down. I personally did extensive due diligence on Zeek also, and my research did not see the company pass with flying colours. BB isn't clear out of the woods in my red flags department as many of their problems especially in terms of customer support and website accessibility issues, are often seen in relatively new companies that get caught on the back foot, risking becoming a victim of their own success.

Nothing is "no risk" and that includes banners broker, crossing the road, or hopping in your car to drive down town.

I've given it a punt with a sum of money about the same as what I'd blow on a typical afternoon out on the track. Would be a shame if the dreamstealers of RS are right, but i wouldn't lose sleep over the few hundred dollars I've put into the purchase of ad panels with BB, there's some level of risk with anything, but the last thing we need is a bunch of self-appointed 'net-nannies' bagging the living daylights out of anything they don't approve of, or do not fully understand.

We "pro-BB'ers" do not have to justify our position, defend the company from MLM scam, ponzi or other scam allegations from a bunch of people posting anonymously without disclosure of their real names, addresses and perhaps a phone number, and defend out decision to join this company as affiliates to the rest of the on-line.

In the real world, innocence is assumed until guilt is proven. By guilt, I'm not talking about screenshots of blogs and other stuff, and the endless, repetitive BS that's being spruiked by RS anti-BB'ers hell bent on bringing this company to its knees. This is called cyber terrorism, not providing an information resource to help a newbie make an informed decision whether BB (or any other company for that) is for them or not. Nothing's rock solid and 100% safe and secure, not even your job, folks. People ratting on their BS on RS crap on about BB affiliates having their account locked, or terminated, for making negative comments about BB. You may be interested to know that most MLM companies, including Tupperware, Avon, Amway, etc, do not take too kindly to negativity spread around the internet by affiliates, and their compliance departments again show no hesitation in reprimanding a rogue affiliate who is out there damaging the company's name.

Come to think of it, I dare you anti-BB RS'ers to foul-mouth your boss or the company you work for, USING YOUR REAL NAME, and see if you cop some flak if your boss found out. Many people have been sacked for inappropriate facebook comments against the company they work for....

Pro-BB'ers - take this to heart - there is good reason these people here trying to spread negative rumours and trivial observations they like to refer to as "facts" using anonymous screen names and without revealing their real names and addresses, and that's so that lawyers acting on behalf of the company whose good name they're trying to defame (in this case banners broker), can't serve them with cease-and-desist orders, just as the Taliban don't show their faces before they blow up some little village in Afghanistan or wherever they practise their acts of terrorism, cyber terrorism is exactly the same.

If they don't post their real name and a mailing address with their anti-BB comments, they have ZERO credibility. Nil, zip, nada. Absolutely nothing.
If I have a gripe about Vodafone, for example, regarding poor network speeds or other aspects such as call dropouts, poor customer service, and so forth, as I have many times in the past in places such as whirlpool, I post my REAL NAME, my mailing address, even my contact telephone number, so that the people at Vodafone, in this example, can identify my views as a legitimate complaint and grievance. I've actually had a senior Vodafone staff member (not an indian from a call centre in mumbai) call me to clarify what I was going on about in whirlpool. As my grievances and complaints were genuine, I was not asked to remove the posts, but how Vodafone can assist me. Got myself a free months mobile internet access, so I posted that, problem didn't seem to be resolved, but a brownie-point for giving me a free months' access as a gesture of goodwill.

Food for thought, folks! Unless you've got something positive to say regarding BB (or any company for that matter), back it up with some credibility, and include your real name and a mailing address. If you're not prepared to do that (scared of lawyers and the prospect of being summonsed to explain yourself to a magistrate or judge?), then you have NO CREDIBILITY no matter how strong your argument, comment, "proof" or "evidence".

When I first came here to RS, lurking in the background before registering the other day i thought, geez the dedication and tenacity of these people here sure are to be commended, I thought what are these people wasting their efforts here for, they should work for the police as detectives, or at interpol, then it struck me, it's the same pattern for each company and opportunity that's being slandered on this site, all anonymous comments, there's nothing for a lawyer to serve notices of defamation to as none of them actually 'man up' and back up their claims by revealing who they are beyond their screen handles.

Those of us who are currently in BB to whatever degree, as far as I know I'd guess the vast majority of us did at least some very basic due diligence, however deep or tiny that might have been, and we made the decision to part with some of our money to give this our "best shot". To have a bunch of self-proclaimed 'net-nannies' discouraging people from anything that involves taking the step towards some level of financial independence, or just a few extra $$ to help with bills and the mortgage, must make you feel real proud to keep another schlepp stuck in their 9-5 job - Just Over Broke is what the letters J.O.B. stand for. Let people make their own decisions without the bullshit and baseless garbage "proof", it's their money, no doubt some will get stung by some dodgey scheme, others discover that network marketing thing selling vitamins and juices isn't really anywhere as easy as they said at the meeting when I joined up, etc etc so it must be a scam? Hilarious and sad at the very same time.

Put up or shut up - got something negative to say about BB or anything else? Put your name and mailing address where your mouth is. Telephone numbers optional, some people can act on emotions harassing you in the middle of the night on the phone, playing the same game as you, in hiding behind an unlisted phone number, so if you have something worthwhile to say, real name and mailing address just in case the lawyers want to send you something in the post.

Ahem, cough - waverider? That is an unusual name isn't it.

I am certainly not hiding anywhere.

[okosh]

What a bunch of dills, seriously - on your side of the fence your excuse for not posting your real name is you'll get harassed (yeah, by lawyers for your defamation), and then you turn it around by stating that if we posted our real names we'll risk having our BB accounts closed (or suspended). So what's your point ??

LOL....Yet another ****** who claims they gonna get their lawyers on to us.....Not one of you ever have the balls to go on with it....
Just once I wish one of you would grow a set and just do it....

[StevenHoward]

What a bunch of dills, seriously - on your side of the fence your excuse for not posting your real name is you'll get harassed (yeah, by lawyers for your defamation), and then you turn it around by stating that if we posted our real names we'll risk having our BB accounts closed (or suspended). So what's your point ??

I'm a BB member and just like you would like to get my initial INVESTMENT back, that is why, at the moment I don't use the same name as I do on BB.

Just like you I'm worried BB may be a Ponzi scheme, I've accepted the fact, you haven't yet, but you will get there at some time (it could be when it all goes tits up though).

[activeone]

Buddy, lawyers ain't gonna happen until they can get their fingers onto your real names and addresses, then you'd be taken to the cleaners. Trolls are an interesting lot. Big on balls but when it comes to the crunch, it's time to weasel back into your little hole (visualizing an image of Saddam Hussein in his final moments just as he was about to get plucked out by the US military)... Seriously.... None of this would hold any water in any court of law. 2013's going to be an awesome year for some of us. We'll have a chat this time next year, and if you just happen to be dropping by sunny Melbourne, let me know, we'll have a couple of friendly drinkies on me, howzat?

[hendyphilhendy]

I can confirm I have had no letters from lawyer's representing banners broker.

[waverider]

I tend to agree with you on that one, Steven. Withdrawal #1 was about $30 short of the sum total I've put into the whole BB thing including fees and such, I do have some concerns about certain aspects about the whole BB operation might not be construed by the lawmakers as totally legit and above board, in that it MAY have some level of "ponzi element". As with any "opportunity-based" business, there's a real risk of the whole thing going belly-up and pear-shaped, whether that's a remote risk or a real one coming real soon is open to speculation and is anybody's guess. The Amway corporation, regardless of your opinions about that company or its founders, Mr Van Andel and De Voos, had to cross this bridge quite some time ago when it was labelled as a ponzi, scam and multilevel marketing scheme. The legal waters were tested in a court of law in front of magistrates and a prosecution presenting real evidence, not some wishy-washy collection of stuff scraped off the net. To the credit of what I tend to call dream-stealers here on BS, sorry RS, what you guys are up to here must be like a drug, a kick, a buzz, call it whatever you like. It could just well be you might be on to something, let's not discount such a possibility because there's certainly some valid points being made here, in particular when references are made to BB's "early days" where it has been shown the company was seen to be promoted by affiliates as some kind of doubler / cycler, or whatever you want to call it.



I'm a BB member and just like you would like to get my initial INVESTMENT back, that is why, at the moment I don't use the same name as I do on BB.
Just like you I'm worried BB may be a Ponzi scheme, I've accepted the fact, you haven't yet, but you will get there at some time (it could be when it all goes tits up though).

[waverider]

wow, some fat dude from the Gold Coast with a couple of stock company BB videos on his youtube channel and expressing his excitement receiving his BB prepaid mastercard wearing a T-Shirt that says 100% Pure Dynamite... Rip-tickling stuff to say the least, but I hardly think he's going to be hauled off in the back of a police paddy wagon to the local big house for being involved in what is alleged as a ponzi scheme, there doesn't seem to be much of a recruiting effort here like 'join here' etc - compared to what some of the other 250'000 or so BB affiliates are up to, with videos on youtube, going through their eWallet proclaiming how much money they've made how easily, and spruiking BB big time....


If you want to know more about Roger Stockburgler click on the link in my sig.:RpS_wink:

[activeone]

who knows, your wishes might well be correct and the whole BB thing's a scam.... I have my doubts, but who knows? Pretty much everything is speculation and more or less trivial, no matter which side of the fence it might be coming from....

I can confirm I have had no letters from lawyer's representing banners broker.

[Hypanor]

I tend to agree with you on that one, Steven. Withdrawal #1 was about $30 short of the sum total I've put into the whole BB thing including fees and such, I do have some concerns about certain aspects about the whole BB operation might not be construed by the lawmakers as totally legit and above board, in that it MAY have some level of "ponzi element". As with any "opportunity-based" business, there's a real risk of the whole thing going belly-up and pear-shaped, whether that's a remote risk or a real one coming real soon is open to speculation and is anybody's guess. The Amway corporation, regardless of your opinions about that company or its founders, Mr Van Andel and De Voos, had to cross this bridge quite some time ago when it was labelled as a ponzi, scam and multilevel marketing scheme. The legal waters were tested in a court of law in front of magistrates and a prosecution presenting real evidence, not some wishy-washy collection of stuff scraped off the net. To the credit of what I tend to call dream-stealers here on BS, sorry RS, what you guys are up to here must be like a drug, a kick, a buzz, call it whatever you like. It could just well be you might be on to something, let's not discount such a possibility because there's certainly some valid points being made here, in particular when references are made to BB's "early days" where it has been shown the company was seen to be promoted by affiliates as some kind of doubler / cycler, or whatever you want to call it.

Lol, you lot are unbelievable!

"its not a Ponzi, Its not I tell you"
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"Ok maybe there's a good chance it is"

Re lawyers - if there were any papers to be served, several news media and blogs would have heard about it by now. I'm sure the board admins here would be quite happy to give IP addresses of posts if legally required to do so.

However, to speed things up - any lawyers reading this are quite welcome to message me for my personal contact details.

[Hypanor]

wow, some fat dude from the Gold Coast with a couple of stock company BB videos on his youtube channel and expressing his excitement receiving his BB prepaid mastercard wearing a T-Shirt that says 100% Pure Dynamite... Rip-tickling stuff to say the least...

Oh I can't stop laughing at this!

[EagleOne]

Since anyone here that has an IQ of room temperature knows who I am, I'll play your silly game. I will post my real name, address and phone number if you, waverider, will do the same. So put up or shut up as you told us earlier.

[waverider]

in all due respect, the ultimate decision whether BB is some kind of ponzi or not, is a decision that need to be made in a court of competent jurisdiction, with real evidence and a real prosecution, not a bunch of wannabe detectives who hide behind their computer screens and keyboards using fake screen handles, just taking a vicious poke at everything, anybody and anything that's beyond the scope of their 9-5 employee (or subcontractor) mentality lifestyle. I don't fully understand it, therefore it must be a scam or a ponzi. There's only one way this argument will ever be settled, and that's if and when BB are required to formulate a defense showing their business model is not a ponzi, but where the majority of revenue comes in fact from advertising revenue and not from member subscriptions (which are basically purchasing more advertising inventory as there are no joining fees, aside from the monthly admin fee).

I hope you realize the potential implications that can result in publicly defaming companies and individuals on the internet. The resulting law-suit can well strip you of all your major assets, depending on your juristiction's bankruptcy laws, certainly kiss your mortgage and house goodbye, the resultant fall-out may well see you demoted from your beloved 9-5 employee lifestyle to one on unemployment welfare when your boss sees your spiteful attempts at sinking a reputable company a threat to his own business, potentially playing with fire here, but that's alright, you're so damn sure BB's a scam and a ponzi, just stick to your guns, but don't go screaming conspiracy theories and such when the **** hits the fan. On the other hand, it may well be a scam. Doubtful, but everything's possible in this world. You don't have the facts, just wishy-washy crap scraped off the net. On the other hand, from the pro-BB side, we can't really offer a hell lot more ourselves either, as much is propaganda from the upper echolons of the company, plus personal opinions and feeling from the various affiliates.

Honestly and seriously, WHO are you going to believe? There'd be about a dozen or three vocal anti-BB people here, really vocal ones, plus a few more with their doubts, thanks mostly to the vocal ones and their wishy-washy "evidence" - there are approximately 250'000 affiliates in BB, even if that number were just 100'000 which is what the numbers thrown around were when I first joined, whether it's 100k or 250k affiliates or a thousand with a grudge of some sort, WHO are you going to believe? There are valid points made from both sides, but the pendulum always tends to swing towards the majority.

If there are truly ballooning numbers of disgruntled BB affiliates owed money, and thus with a serious grudge against the company, wouldn't it be prudent to assume that there'd be a pattern of formal complaints coming together to the various law enforcement and investigative agencies that pounce on misleading and illegal activities in the various juristictions around the globe? Surely there's got to be more than a couple of news articles in some popular irish tabloid, the examiner and some radio program? Like the irish tap dancer, kept falling in the sink.

[EagleOne]

in all due respect, the ultimate decision whether BB is some kind of ponzi or not, is a decision that need to be made in a court of competent jurisdiction, with real evidence and a real prosecution, not a bunch of wannabe detectives who hide behind their computer screens and keyboards using fake screen handles, just taking a vicious poke at everything, anybody and anything that's beyond the scope of their 9-5 employee (or subcontractor) mentality lifestyle. I don't fully understand it, therefore it must be a scam or a ponzi. There's only one way this argument will ever be settled, and that's if and when BB are required to formulate a defense showing their business model is not a ponzi, but where the majority of revenue comes in fact from advertising revenue and not from member subscriptions (which are basically purchasing more advertising inventory as there are no joining fees, aside from the monthly admin fee).

I hope you realize the potential implications that can result in publicly defaming companies and individuals on the internet. The resulting law-suit can well strip you of all your major assets, depending on your juristiction's bankruptcy laws, certainly kiss your mortgage and house goodbye, the resultant fall-out may well see you demoted from your beloved 9-5 employee lifestyle to one on unemployment welfare when your boss sees your spiteful attempts at sinking a reputable company a threat to his own business, potentially playing with fire here, but that's alright, you're so damn sure BB's a scam and a ponzi, just stick to your guns, but don't go screaming conspiracy theories and such when the **** hits the fan. On the other hand, it may well be a scam. Doubtful, but everything's possible in this world. You don't have the facts, just wishy-washy crap scraped off the net. On the other hand, from the pro-BB side, we can't really offer a hell lot more ourselves either, as much is propaganda from the upper echolons of the company, plus personal opinions and feeling from the various affiliates.

Honestly and seriously, WHO are you going to believe? There'd be about a dozen or three vocal anti-BB people here, really vocal ones, plus a few more with their doubts, thanks mostly to the vocal ones and their wishy-washy "evidence" - there are approximately 250'000 affiliates in BB, even if that number were just 100'000 which is what the numbers thrown around were when I first joined, whether it's 100k or 250k affiliates or a thousand with a grudge of some sort, WHO are you going to believe? There are valid points made from both sides, but the pendulum always tends to swing towards the majority.

If there are truly ballooning numbers of disgruntled BB affiliates owed money, and thus with a serious grudge against the company, wouldn't it be prudent to assume that there'd be a pattern of formal complaints coming together to the various law enforcement and investigative agencies that pounce on misleading and illegal activities in the various juristictions around the globe? Surely there's got to be more than a couple of news articles in some popular irish tabloid, the examiner and some radio program? Like the irish tap dancer, kept falling in the sink.

I take it that means No you will not accept my challenge. All talk and no walk. You see I knew you were bluffing, and you just proved it. Talk about zero credibility. But do keep on flapping your gums because that is all you've got.

And by the way. A civil case will prove it is a Ponzi if the feds raid it, or they run with the money-no court necessary. The criminal trial will determine the sentence for those running it. Only in the criminal trial can you use the "innocent until proven guilty" statement. Sheesh, I thought you were smarter than this.

[waverider]

Honourable gesture, but I'm not the one attempting to defame and hurt the business prospects of a multi-national on-line advertising company whilst using a screen handle on a forum like this. I've decided to chuck what is in my book small change, at what appears to be a multi-national on-line advertising company that in my opinions appears reasonably legit, I do not need to justify my decision to part with a few hundred bucks by posting my real name and address, perhaps phone number, however anybody with destructive intents such as yourself and others here in this forum, it's a completely different kettle of fish. You attempt to discredit and defame anybody who even has the slightest vested interest in BB. You are directly and indirectly interfering with ordinary citizens' rights to make their own choices by discouraging them to deal with a company you feel it not legit and allege to be a scam and a ponzi, based in wishy-washy evidence scraped off the net, whilst some of it truly sounds compelling and hard-hitting, unfortunately none would hold water in a court of law, they need a little more, preferably FACTS. There are people who are members of BB who are actively engaged in the recruiting game. You are directly interfering with the potential prosperity and financial futures of hard-working people who want to make a difference in their lifes and those of others. Scam.com and RS both have a vendetta against MLM's, HYIP's and the like. If I want to back a racehorse called "light-speed", or a company called BB, or Amway, or Mannatech, what right do you have to try to destroy my efforts of building a business? This is the job of the regulators and lawmakers, and nobody else. If I drive along Richmond rd at 80km/h instead of the posted 70km/h, I'd expect the long arm of the law to handle my infraction of the traffic code, which usually entails the use of some kind of measuring device such as a speed radar, rather than assumptions of excess speed by some twit sitting on the side of the road with no evidence aside from "he looked like he was doing 80+ based on this and that...." laughable. Unlike this idiot who was snapped by a member of the public on video by the looks of things, ah well, queenslander I suppose....
Rogue P-plater facing careless driving charge after he was snapped with both feet hanging out the window | The Courier-Mail (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national/rogue-p-plater-facing-careless-driving-charge-after-he-was-snapped-with-both-feet-hanging-out-the-window/story-fndo1wyv-1226544268253)


Since anyone here that has an IQ of room temperature knows who I am, I'll play your silly game. I will post my real name, address and phone number if you, waverider, will do the same. So put up or shut up as you told us earlier.

[waverider]

wannabe detectives. I have nothing to defend except my decision to chuck a few hundred bucks at something I believed in at the time, and something which to this day I'm reasonably confident is mostly legit and above board. I'm not trying to destroy a company and its reputation through on-line forums, therefore I don't need to tell anybody who I am, etc, however those, such as yourself, making grand accusations, you're having a direct and indirect impact on others with your actions, and you need to be held accountable, and that day will come (unless of course you were right along, and BB is a scam...) who knows?

I take it that means No you will not accept my challenge.

[amathyst87]

I don't need to detail my extensive due diligence to a bunch of trolls hiding behind anonymous screen handles, nor do I need to justify myself in any way. As a consenting adult, I decided to throw a few hundred dollars at this, if my extensive due diligence would have found more of what I was seeking, I would have put in several thousands of dollars - as adults we make our own decisions, however well or poorly we've researched the reasons for our decisions, but what we don't need is a bunch of trolls acting as some kind of private detective /police department with trivial, circumstantial stuff in a feeble attempt to damage the reputation of a young, growing multi-national on-line advertising company like Banners Broker.

No doubt if google chose to share its profits like Banners Broker, rather than developing browsers, android phones and operating systems and other wonderful stuff google's famous for, well the big cheese would be a scam in your books too. Simply hilarious, but a sad sign of the state of affairs with some people. Looks like the trolls love feeding on negativity and putting anything and everything and anybody who thinks different to them, down...

How about we go for 'Show me yours and i'll show you mine'. You get us the address of multi-millionnaire business whizz Chris Smith, and the real address of the Banners Broker HQ (i.e not a UPS box, we want this shiny new 15,000 square foot office they keep banging on about.) Also, it shouldn't be hard to get us the address of the shiny new Manchester office that's opening in Manchester?

As has been said many a time, the burden of proof is on your fine selves, not us.

[hendyphilhendy]

There is no burden of proof. This is a discussion group to discuss issues. This topic is Banners Broker and deciding whether or not it is a scam.

Several people have put compelling evidence and facts as to the likelihood of it being such.

People like myself and Jason have been in it and found further evidence to sway our opinion towards the ponzi side. (For stating which we were both booted out)

If you want to get involved then by all means put some genuine points across. Ranting and raving is not putting a point across.

[EagleOne]

wannabe detectives. I have nothing to defend except my decision to chuck a few hundred bucks at something I believed in at the time, and something which to this day I'm reasonably confident is mostly legit and above board. I'm not trying to destroy a company and its reputation through on-line forums, therefore I don't need to tell anybody who I am, etc, however those, such as yourself, making grand accusations, you're having a direct and indirect impact on others with your actions, and you need to be held accountable, and that day will come (unless of course you were right along, and BB is a scam...) who knows?

You are really new at this Ponzi game aren't you. Who knows if it is a Ponzi? We all do and anyone with an IQ higher than a gerbil does as well. As for being contacted by an attorney or law firm for BB? Never going to happen. I can name you at least 10 Ponzi's that all have made the same threats, and not one ever sued anyone. It is all smoke and mirrors to make the faithful believe they are legitimate, and you fell for it.

The only reason why you and the others are here is because RS is exposing BB for the Ponzi it is, and hurting recruiting. The only thing you can try to do is discredit us. Not going to happen, and we are not going to stop calling BB a Ponzi just because you and the others are throwing a hissy-fit because we are.

But all of you are too funny trying to tell all of us what to do. You know like: put up or shut up, only a court of law can determine if it is a Ponzi, we all are afraid to post our real names and addresses and if we don't we are some how not credible, etc. etc.. That is only true in your minds. Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black. I do hope you don't think any of us are taking you seriously. If so you are in for a very rude shock and reality check.

[StevenHoward]

Buddy, lawyers ain't gonna happen until they can get their fingers onto your real names and addresses, then you'd be taken to the cleaners. Trolls are an interesting lot. Big on balls but when it comes to the crunch, it's time to weasel back into your little hole (visualizing an image of Saddam Hussein in his final moments just as he was about to get plucked out by the US military)... Seriously.... None of this would hold any water in any court of law. 2013's going to be an awesome year for some of us. We'll have a chat this time next year, and if you just happen to be dropping by sunny Melbourne, let me know, we'll have a couple of friendly drinkies on me, howzat?

One way or another, 2013 is going to be a year to remember for you, you'll either make a lot of money, or lose it.

I seriously hope you make money, but I'm pretty sure you're involved in a Ponzi.

If it can be proven that it most definitely is not a Ponzi, I would be recruiting big style, unfortunately some of the most relevant information is not available.

Ask yourself this, if the figures you see in your panels can be updated on a regular basis, why can they not show where that information comes from.

I design databases, without the latter, the former cannot be worked out.

Do you really think that BB, if they're legitimate don't, know where the impressions come from ?, of course they would, unless they are just artificially computer generated figures.

PS, I could write a script that would do such a thing, generate figures over a given time period.

[EagleOne]

One way or another, 2013 is going to be a year to remember for you, you'll either make a lot of money, or lose it.

I seriously hope you make money, but I'm pretty sure you're involved in a Ponzi.

If it can be proven that it most definitely is not a Ponzi, I would be recruiting big style, unfortunately some of the most relevant information is not available.

Ask yourself this, if the figures you see in your panels can be updated on a regular basis, why can they not show where that information comes from.

I design databases, without the latter, the former cannot be worked out.

Do you really think that BB, if they're legitimate don't, know where the impressions come from ?, of course they would, unless they are just artificially computer generated figures.

PS, I could write a script that would do such a thing, generate figures over a given time period.

No script needed. They are just making up the numbers.

Oh wait, now I will be sued by BB's legal team for saying that, right waverider?

[JordanBright]

Hello guys, I have a new update on the allied wallet part that I talked about, well let's start -

this whole thing started because I wanted to know if any card information that I added to allied wallet has moved to banners broker, I asked them that question and this the sum of the email I got:


We are Allied Wallet and we process transactions for online merchants. We do not have your card information.

We do not share any sensitive information regarding customers transactions with any body.


well that is new, allied wallet process transactions and they DO NOT have my credit card information so why the hell did I load my ewallet there, if they are just proccessing the payments? I asked them that question and the answer was -


Yes, your card information is actually with Banners broker. We can see the last four numbers of the card only.

wait, so you do have my credit card info? why did you lie about it the first time?
so then I asked them why did I load up the ewallet thing, if they only take the credit card and give it to banners broker, I loaded 500$ to allied wallet, what was that all about? and asked again if banners broker have my card info + I asked where did I say I wanted to give banners broker my card info, as I said I loaded an EWALLET so my card info sould have been "safe" or just safer.. but now, the card info might be in banners broker database..

they didn't answer and I asked another question, how do they see my account? as I said before I asked for 2 weeks to close my account/remove my credit card. after two weeks they said my account was closed..

waited another day, still no answer.

the answer came 2 days after the first email -


We are a payment processing company. When you do a transaction your transaction is towards a particular merchant. In this case the merchant is Banners broker. We just process the transactions.

As your transaction was processed through our payment gateway so we can see only the last four digits of the card. We do not have any access to your account.

again, so why did I load up my EWALLET and put my credit card there!

this time I started to get angry and asked again about why ewallet if they only proccess they payment and AGAIN about banners broker having my credit card number.

the answer came and it was -


We have an e-wallet because we used to offer this feature earlier but now we are not supporting this feature.

We are not aware what information Banners broker have in their data base. For that you need to contact them directly at 1-(905) 233 4475 & (905) 233 2351

get this, they have an ewallet because they USED to offer this feature but now they are not supporting this feature, SO WHY THE HELL DID YOU GAVE MY AN OPTION TO LOAD AN EWALLET, btw here is the site - https://www.alliedwallet.com/ as you can see up there is an ewallet option and the option is still valid.. it may not be after they see the email I sent them.

and they don't know what information was given to banners broker.. they are proccessing the payment but they don't know what info they gave... wow just wow.

so if I'm getting somthing wrong here and they did everything ok and I'm just stupid please tell me but I think it's wrong to put an ewallet option when you don't support it..

and please tell me if you see from the emails the allied wallet didn't gave banners broker my credit card info.
and another question, in the Payment gateway proccess does the merchant get my credit card at any point?

[activeone]

I do hope you don't think any of us are taking you seriously. If so you are in for a very rude shock and reality check.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall seeing the look on your face as that knock on your front door results in you being served with a notice to appear (summonsed to appear in court) for defamation and slander. I can name at least 10 ponzis that made the same threat, and not one sued anyone. One day you might well end up barking up the wrong tree and risk losing everything you worked hard for.... Is that cockyness worth that risk? That's a decision that can only be made by you... I got a couple of hundred $$$ riding on BB, usually about as much as I'd have in chips on the poker tables of crown or star city casinos, wow there's risk you can lose your money, must be a scam. At the track, there's a real risk you can lose your money. Geez, must be a scam.... Never mind, let's deal with accredited and regulated investments, hmmm, managed fund, yep that'll do. Geez, there is a RISK i might lose some or all of my money? No way, it must be a scam.

The golden rule of investing is much like the golden rule of gambling, never put in more than you can afford to lose.

The real beauty of BB is you don't have get yourself in over your head putting in 'big bucks' - I know $25 is a lot of money in some of the countries I've visited, but for most of us here, it's a cheap bottle of scotch or a round of beers at the local tavern, and no skin off our back - for the skeptics out there who like to tread carefully, whack $25 into your eWallet for a yellow package to get started and see how your ad campaign represented by that lone yellow panel you've just bought performs. If the bugger doesn't move to your satisfaction, and isn't about half way finished by the time week 2 rolls along, well you've just blown $25 no big deal.... Not many opportunity things out there where you can tread the water with such a small sum of money, that's for sure.!

[Mundorf]

The golden rule of investing is knowledge ,know how while gambling is pure luck and having fun if you have fun while losing.From economic point of view,BB is not investment as you do not need to know anything just pump the money like a blind chicken - nor BB is gambling as you can nowhere read in terms & conditions you need lot of luck to win few coins and that probably you will lose all your money what is WELL KNOWN when entering casino.When a group of people start to offer casino luck as business promissing that it's impossible not to make money,we have deffinition of SCAM - what would be the same if a general would promisse a soldier that he will not be killed in battle - false promisses - SCAM...all scam paths lead to BB

[kiwi chick nz]

post on official facebook page.....no suprises here but always nice to repost these comments because negative comments tend to go missing in cyberspace........i left out his name because it is fair to say he looked like a good bloke in his pic :-) and he also looks to be over 65 so I hope for his sake he didn't invest opps I mean .....launder...... oh no still not right .....donate? a lot of cash he can't afford to lose......dated about an hour ago aprox 10.30pm nz time

"Can some one tell me how I got a Banners broker card in the Mail from Banners Broker in Oshawa, ON LIH 7N9 Canada. Followed the steps and Activated the Card, went to my e-wallet to withdraw money to the BB Card and Dahhh guess what I have a red error sign comes up telling me that I have to order a BB Card first before I can load it... Come on BB get your Act Together!"

I was stoked for the regular members that some great characters came to visit over the xmas break when things have otherwise been quite slow....understandable due to the scheduled close down.........noname, eagleone, hypanor your patience with these new characters was noteworthy and oshgosh your answers highlight the poor calibre of the bb defender and balancedviews xmas 'fill-ins'.....waverider the exact same spin has been given by many past bb defenders many of whom are now ghosts..........same bs wrapped up in xmas paper to amuse the faithfull rs posters.

well merry xmas to those who provided pages of entertainment over the holiday........wishing you all a happy new year and looking forward to what jan 2 brings......

Jordan bright thanks for your update I was wondering how you were getting on, the credit card details are alarming me also......most especially as (i think thesus) pointed out earlier that security questions are also being collected. while bb presents this to affiliates as ensuring bb is secure.....they are in fact obtaining answers to your personal security questions.......the same type of security questions used by banks specifically by presenting themselves or stp allied wallet etc as 'like a bank'.
crazy the potential of what they can now do with what details and info they have, most particularly given this past xmas rush to upload id and get bb mastercards in time for holidays..............anything is possible bb owners have scam experience, millions of affiliates dollars, according to them 250,000 odd affiliates so the potential to have 250,000 id's and bank account access.................surely it wouldn't take more than.....lets say 2 weeks (perhaps from dec 21 - jan 2) for an it/maths genius to come up with an epic one-off rip off............before, like their facebook posts, they disappear into cyberspace......................
btw - don't the posts on facebook raise red flags? besides the facts they missing most of the time even the ones left are questions about affiliates personal 'businesses' how many companies talk to their 'customers' about business via facebook????????? seriously
kiwi

[kiwi chick nz]

new facebook page 7 likes so far, well done!!! one question though is coca cola aware you are using their image in your bb advertising?

About Banners Broker | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/About-Banners-Broker/499587896752738)

I see someone has alerted them to realscam already, well done!!!!

[kiwi chick nz]

by the way to the poster earlier on in this thread, can't remember who and don't really care enough to go back through to address you directly, but for the record
I AM NOT THE FACEBOOK PAGE ......BANNERS BROKER PONZI SCAM........CREATOR....and because i am NOT the creator I DID NOT post your rs post on this facebook page.....i think it might have been jordan bright

I AM HOWEVER A HUGE SUPPORTER........as per my signature, there is a lot of 'network' power in facebook and it may just be the answer to making a difference and a stand against these scumbags that rip off the little guy......I SINCERELY HOPE IT GOES VIRAL.....i therefore encourage all victims and their friends and family's to make the little guy count and let it be known via facebook what your experience of bb is, no comments shall be deleted there!!!!

[AshKen1]

From Facebook page, "Banners Broker Works" which has the following warning:

Just to warn anyone who is thinking about posting anything negative about BB or anything at all related to that Finch Sells article your post will be deleted and you will be banned from this page.

Hallelujah brothers.... just believe in BB and never have doubts and certainly never express them on this particular forum!!

A nice mix of people on there for sure:

"Lee M People who write negative comments about bb deserve to be banned from the Internet altogether. Been in BB for 8 months always paid on time and am making a ton of cash 2013 I am aiming for a 7 figure income online! Oh yeah I got proof of everything! Bb rocks and merry Xmas to all who are in BB we will laugh all the way to the bank next year
23 December at 23:54 via mobile · Like · 15"

I'm sure this man's kids will be looking to him for a bail out eventually as well

"Steve W I joined BB in June of 2011. It has changed my financial future in the greatest of ways! I am now a six figure earner in BB and I love it! I joined, I think, about 6 months after BB launched. There was some obstacles to overcome in the beginning and BB had to battle through some real adversity. I glad that I stayed in and now, nothing but good times ahead. I am in a BB group in Skype and we help each other and their are several in the Skype group that now have over a million dollars in earnings. Three of my children are making money in BB as well. I give BB a thumbs up for sure.
Monday at 01:26 · Like · 6"

Choice words here....

"Jeremy Bligh I joined BB in June 2012. It has changed my life immeasurably. Lets remember that Finch is a self confessed 'scumbag' and has purely taken advantage of the sheer volumes of people searching for BB, hats off because it is some clever keyword research and SEO, but that is all it is. Despite BB having issues with the panel updates the last two weeks they still ensured that we all got PAID before Christmas by turning the engine to CAP any panels that were due before the Christmas payday deadline, not the work of a sophisticated ponzi ring if you ask me. To summarise, this time next year we will still be celebrating this life changing business and Finch will still be selling survival packs. I think I'll choose to 'thrive', not just 'survive'. Merry Christmas all.
Monday at 11:35 via mobile · Like · 5"

Chris Smith speaks and all believe what he says

"Mike B I know what BB has done for other people and how it has changed their lives for the better. There is no reason why it won't continue to do so for others. Everything is in place to give BB longevity and Chris Smith told all in Dublin that he wants BB to be around when his grand kids are old. I have every confidence it will be.
Monday at 15:59 via mobile · Like · 1"

[Joe_Shmoe]

I'm reasonably confident is mostly legit and above board.

It's either legit or not legit.

Okay, we know that you know nothing about the "owner" Chris Smith, despite the no doubt extensive due diligence before you chucked you loose change into Banners Broker.
Whilst doing your no doubt extensive due diligence did you find anything out about his employee Ral Dixit?

[EagleOne]

I'd love to be a fly on the wall seeing the look on your face as that knock on your front door results in you being served with a notice to appear (summonsed to appear in court) for defamation and slander. I can name at least 10 ponzis that made the same threat, and not one sued anyone. One day you might well end up barking up the wrong tree and risk losing everything you worked hard for.... Is that cockyness worth that risk? That's a decision that can only be made by you... I got a couple of hundred $$$ riding on BB, usually about as much as I'd have in chips on the poker tables of crown or star city casinos, wow there's risk you can lose your money, must be a scam. At the track, there's a real risk you can lose your money. Geez, must be a scam.... Never mind, let's deal with accredited and regulated investments, hmmm, managed fund, yep that'll do. Geez, there is a RISK i might lose some or all of my money? No way, it must be a scam.

The golden rule of investing is much like the golden rule of gambling, never put in more than you can afford to lose.

The real beauty of BB is you don't have get yourself in over your head putting in 'big bucks' - I know $25 is a lot of money in some of the countries I've visited, but for most of us here, it's a cheap bottle of scotch or a round of beers at the local tavern, and no skin off our back - for the skeptics out there who like to tread carefully, whack $25 into your eWallet for a yellow package to get started and see how your ad campaign represented by that lone yellow panel you've just bought performs. If the bugger doesn't move to your satisfaction, and isn't about half way finished by the time week 2 rolls along, well you've just blown $25 no big deal.... Not many opportunity things out there where you can tread the water with such a small sum of money, that's for sure.!

The wonderful thing about being sued is the word "Discovery." If you don't understand it, look it up in the dictionary. The wonderful thing about "Discovery" is that I get to give BB an anal exam. They can't hide behind: that information is proprietary, you can't have access to our financial records, the backgrounds of our founders is private, you can't have access to our member database,access to our computer records, and the list goes on and on. I also have at my disposal members of Eagle's team who are forensic accountants and forensic computer specialists who are licensed as such. In short, our team will be able to find every transaction they have ever made, where they have put all the money and to whom it was paid; plus a whole lot more. And if the case should get to court, all this information will be made public. Yep, everyone will be able to see and read it all. Then let's toss in all the law enforcement agencies and agents we work with (some are even Candadian) and their forensic experts I would call to testify if this went to court.

You should also look what it takes for anyone to win a defamation lawsuit. BB couldn't even meet the criteria for them being defamed. No-one in the advertising business has ever heard of them. By the way it is libel, not slander, but even that is difficult to prove. You really should look up all these terms so you know what you are talking about.

And the most beautiful part of them suing me is that I get to counter sue them. Just think, I just might end up owning this $100 Million Dollar International advertising business that no-one in the advertising business has ever heard of; as well as all their houses, cars and any boats/water toys, or other luxuries they have bought with money from BB.

Since I have a camcorder, would you like for me to record it for you so you can see my reaction?

[AshKen1]

..... And the most beautiful part of them suing me is that I get to counter sue them. Just think, I just might end up owning this $100 Million Dollar International advertising business that no-one in the advertising business has ever heard of; as well as all their houses, cars and any boats/water toys, or other luxeries they have bought with money from BB.

Since I have a camcorder, would you like for me to record it for you so you can see my reaction?

Now that I really would like to see..... Are ringside tickets available?

But in all seriousness - I don't think that most of the BB people who turn up here have the slightest idea about the law and the way that it works, especially in the different jurisdictions. I'm certainly not going to enlighten them, but what they do need to take into account is that there may be criminal and civil litigation. This means the balance of proof changes between the two.

[Beacon]

Yes indeed, welcome to the BS world of RS ...
(whip - whatever your real name and mailing address may be - the justice systems of most countries on the planet assume innocence until guilt is proven.


Wrong! The jurisprudence of assumption of innocence is for CRIMINAL law wher the burden of proof is on the plaintiff. But in CIVIL law the standars is a "balance of probability" Thus O J simpson might be acquitted iof Murder in a Criminal court but lose over 100 Million for the killing in a Civil court.



People from BB do not need to provide any answers to defend their decision to join BB and put some money into it, we don't have to justify our position,

Actually you do! Logically if you are making a claim and encouraging others to join it is for you to priovide the supporting evidence.
You also have a moral obligation to do due dilkigance since even if you make money in a Ponzi you are taking it from poor pensioners etc.



however you lot do, as you're alleging guilt by way of what appears to me mostly trivial and baseless material scrounged up off the net, from blog posts, linked in, facebook, twitter and such....)


Company registrations. Court records. Currnent Company leases. In fact it is the lack of supporting evidence for BB that rings alarm bells.



- and then make such allegations hiding behind screen-names without revealing your real name and a real mailing address????????? Seriously! talk about no credibility, just a bunch of cynical, disheartened schmucks with nothing better to do with your time.....


LOL! Nobody her is asking you for money. Where is the name or mailing address of Dixit and all the Banners Broker executives?
As a matter of fact I have Dixits wife address but I won't bring her into this because i believe her to be a victim too.



like me, will be sticking around for a wee bit, first to get feel of what's being said around here, a bit like the farmer taking a look around to see what parasites, pests and whatever else might pose some risk to his crop.


So you say tyou will stick around. We will see. Also you admit a vested interest in "cropping" your subscribers and new recruits.


It certainly does keep this thread moving and most entertaining, but like everything else, the novelty value fades away as it's the same drivel over and over and over again.


Especially to the single moms and Pensioners putting in their £5000 life savings.


To all BB-defenders out there, your time and efforts defending the banners broker business is as much a waste of effort and time trying to convert pro-climate change people to believe otherwise, or telling your local Jehovas Witness crowd their god doesn't exist and their whole religion is a scam. Hmm, need I mention Scientology?


Nice try at the reversal there but
1. We arent making the claim for banners broker you are. Nor do we have to prove "unicorns are making your money" theory . It id for thiose claiming it works to prove it.
2. We stand by the rules of logic and reason and the jurisprudence of modern democracy. so trying to brand nndetractors and skeptics as fundamentalist religious nutters isnt doing you any favours.



If you're on the pro-BB side, remember it is not your job trying to defend what you consider to be a legitimate kind of business to a bunch of 9-5 employee mentality people who think otherwise with what amounts to largely irrelevant observations, screen captures from blogs and otherwise.


ther you go again!
Look up "ad hominem" would you? when you cant win the argument do you always resort to attacking the other person?


If you feel you've been let down, or you believe you have been mislead by BB or a BB affiliate, and you are facing difficulty getting paid, or getting a refund within the prescribed time period after joining, all countries have relevant consumer affairs or fair trading departments to deal with such matters.

YOU are an affiliate
YOU are a recruiter. and your basis of honest dealing is "If I decide not to pay you and let you down then sue me because Im not giving anything back"
LOL



Might not get you the money you think is owed to you, but an increasing pattern of such complaints against a company, which eventually turns into a pattern of increasing complaints made formally to the relevant government department, will eventually turn the lawmakers' attention to the company, and if in the unlikely event that BB is in fact a Ponzi, or is shown to have sufficient proportion of "ponzi elements" to the point that the whole scheme would collapse if the recruiting drive stalled or stopped, then it is up to the official lawmakers to take the appropriate action, and as in the case of Zeek, shut down.


Ironically. I agree with you 100%
Im happy you incourage people to report the scam since the reason many Ponzi schemes last so long is because they are not reported since the victims fell like fools.
Keep posting points like this and you will get our support.


BB isn't clear out of the woods in my red flags department as many of their problems especially in terms of customer support and website accessibility issues, are often seen in relatively new companies that get caught on the back foot, risking becoming a victim of their own success.


The isnt any BB custiomer support department. The Canadian building is occupied by another company.
BB does not exist as a company in Canada anymore.



Nothing is "no risk" and that includes banners broker, crossing the road, or hopping in your car to drive down town.


Yet recruiters promise guranteed profit?
There is a difference between taking a risk and selling people a lie.


I've given it a punt with a sum of money about the same as what I'd blow on a typical afternoon out on the track. Would be a shame if the dreamstealers of RS are right, but i wouldn't lose sleep over the few hundred dollars I've put into the purchase of ad panels with BB, there's some level of risk with anything,


YEs but a pensioner puttingin thier £5000 life savings and losing them to a lie is a different matter.
Currently in Ireland people are being hit hard by reductions of £10 in social welfare or Carers allowance and you treat it like a bet on a horse?



We "pro-BB'ers" do not have to justify our position, defend the company from MLM scam, ponzi or other scam allegations


See above - if you make the claim it is for YOU to support it!



In the real world, innocence is assumed until guilt is proven.

Wrong!
See above - jurisprudence!
By the way even in a criminal case the person might still be guilty - it is just that guilt was not proved
They are then found NOT GUILTY. It does not mean they were innocent.


This is called cyber terrorism, not providing an information resource to help a newbie make an informed decision whether BB (or any other company for that) is for them or not.


Exactly! WE are providing company data and background checks
You are oprioviding ???? Nothing! No background phone numbers offices educational history etc.
Well you do maybe provide links to fake offices and to auto responding phione3s.
No actual real people.


Nothing's rock solid and 100% safe and secure, not even your job, folks.


funny how your recruiters say "100% certain" then?



People ratting on their BS on RS crap on about BB affiliates having their account locked, or terminated, for making negative comments about BB. You may be interested to know that most MLM companies, including Tupperware, Avon, Amway, etc, do not take too kindly to negativity spread around the internet by affiliates, and their compliance departments again show no hesitation in reprimanding a rogue affiliate who is out there damaging the company's name.


Oh so now you DO care about people asking for information about BB? I thought you didnt care about us?


Come to think of it, I dare you anti-BB RS'ers to foul-mouth your boss or the company you work for, USING YOUR REAL NAME, and see if you cop some flak if your boss found out.


Actually anyione can do this if their boss is operating a scam company.
Im happy to use my real name to denounce BB. Im just waiting for the appropriate time or place to make the most impact.
I would especially love for BB to call me out and ask me to denounce them and have loads of affiliates there.


Many people have been sacked for inappropriate facebook comments against the company they work for....


And NONE have been sacked for appropriate ones!


lawyers acting on behalf of the company whose good name they're trying to defame (in this case banners broker), can't serve them with cease-and-desist orders,


Give me a contact for ANY of these lawyers and Ill contact them directly and say I think BB is a scam and Im happy to say that in front of them in public.



just as the Taliban don't show their faces before they blow up some little village in Afghanistan or wherever they practise their acts of terrorism, cyber terrorism is exactly the same.


Exactly the so called "lawyers" never emerge do they?
I on the other hand will say it in the open when you provide these lawyers.


If they don't post their real name and a mailing address with their anti-BB comments, they have ZERO credibility. Nil, zip, nada. Absolutely nothing.


LOL. we arent making the claim. and you are hoist on your own opetard. Wher is YOUR name or address or anyone in Banners Broker?


I post my REAL NAME, my mailing address, even my contact telephone number, so that the people at Vodafone, in this example, can identify my views as a legitimate complaint and grievance.


so? where is your name and address. Or chris Smiths? Or Rqaj Dixit or all the other BB executives?


If you're not prepared to do that (scared of lawyers and the prospect of being summonsed to explain yourself to a magistrate or judge?), then you have NO CREDIBILITY no matter how strong your argument, comment, "proof" or "evidence".


Wrong! Again!
the argument is not "Argument from Authority" ( look it up) It is based on EVIDENCE. such as Company details , returns, offices , educational background etc.
WE priovide such details.
BB provide next to nothing!
In fact their senior management has no credibility whatsoever. They supply no details at all about their past history education or experience.



, there's nothing for a lawyer to serve notices of defamation to as none of them actually 'man up' and back up their claims by revealing who they are beyond their screen handles.


AS I stated Im happy to man up to a BB lawyer. Can you provide their contact number?


Those of us who are currently in BB to whatever degree, as far as I know I'd guess the vast majority of us did at least some very basic due diligence, however deep or tiny that might have been, and we made the decision to part with some of our money to give this our "best shot".


LOL talk about a "hedged, meandering comment"
"Due diligence" mentioned with "as far as i know" "Id guess" "very bacic" and "tiny"


discouraging people from anything that involves taking the step towards some level of financial independence, or just a few extra $$ to help with bills and the mortgage,


LOL or contribute their last few dollars to financial ruin and so BB executives and some recruiters can get rich?



Let people make their own decisions without the bullshit and baseless garbage "proof", it's their money, no doubt some will get stung by some dodgey scheme,


So you justify criminal scams? In fact "it is their risk to take" is constantly trotted oput. It is NOT a valid reason since they are sold a lie!


Put your name and mailing address where your mouth is. Telephone numbers optional, some people can act on emotions harassing you in the middle of the night on the phone, playing the same game as you, in hiding behind an unlisted phone number, so if you have something worthwhile to say, real name and mailing address just in case the lawyers want to send you something in the post.

Post the lawyers details here and Im happy to meet them in person.
Or get Banners Broker to do it in public - for no charge.
And why cant BB post ANY details about the BB staff company registration tax returns etc.

[Beacon]

@noname999: Nobody is going to answer any questions or enter into any kind of dialog with somebody that's anonymously hiding behind a screen name and not revealing their real mailing address... I'm anonymous too,


Duh you are contradicting yourself!


I'm not one that's out there publicly defaming a multi-national company like BB.


Nor are we.
1 It isnt multinational
2 who are the lawyers and we will contract them directly or even meet them in public



I see you also want to know who BB's legal firm is, so you can contact them.

Did I read this right? May I ask what precisely you'd contact their lawyers about? Allegations that their client (BB) is a ponzi, fraud, scam?
That just doesn't make sense, usually it's the plaintiff that gets lawyers to initiate an action, such as a cease-and-desist, or a lawsuit to the defendant. Not the other way around, the defendant researches the lawfirm of the plaintiff (in this case BB), then what are you hoping to achieve?

Of course it would only make sense if - BB is a Ponzi and cant back up its defamation claims



Do you seriously even believe that somebody who airs their grievances on the internet through outlets like this forum, anonymously without revealing their real name and mailing address, is going to be taken seriously by a law firm engaged by a multi-national company like Banners Broker ???


1 It isnt multinational
2 who are the lawyers and we will contract them directly or even meet them in public

3 You are claiming that if the lawyers had the names they would oprosecute. so we can make this easy for you. Tell us who to contact . who are the lawyers? then we will "defame" BB for them. And they can take us to court and point out how multinational and legal BB is and reveal all the details we were looking for. and if they and you are right we will all suffer the consequences.
But now you are backing down from the "lawyers dont have your names" claim

4. a lot of people post anon because of the point you made earlier. cranks and BB p[eople might call them in the middle of the nioght and annoy or intimidate them

It isnt for anyone her to reveal any identity. It is for BB who are making claims about being a proper business.

[Beacon]

going to take seriously some noob foul-mouthing a multi-national on-line advertising outfit like BB, even if some things look a big dodgey


Especially when
1. they are not a multinational - that is a lie you have no evidence to support any PLC registered to Banners Broker
2.They have no advertising
3. Nobody in BB knows anything about the background ot their so called senior people


I'd be very surprised if one or both of you didn't end up with a soliticors' letter in the mail some day in the not-too-distant future. Only a matter of time.

Why dont you give us the name of any solicitor actin for BB and we will invite them to come and take us to court?

[Beacon]

Firstly, if I did know the name of the college and the year, I certainly wouldn't be disclosing that to a bunch of anonymous trolls and cyber terrorists with an agenda to turn everything against the company and its reputation. And if Chris did major as some kind of maths genius, as is claimed, would it matter because if he majored in some university, it then too would be slandered and put down by the trolls in here. Even if he graduated from Harvard or Yale, those well-known universities would then be labelled as a scam or whatever.


The logic being that Harvard would have its reputation ruined by RS?
How? If Chris Smith is a graduate? Unless of course chris Smith is operating a scam?
Note the veiled claim that CS is an Ivy League grad?



Secondly, I don't know which university Chris went to, and I don't particularly care. College degrees and graduating university don't always rank very highly in my books,


The fact that you could not care less about someones background does not change the issue that they are LYING about it! If they are telling the truth anyone can check it out. So why dont they say where they qualified?



@noname999 - would i be correct in assuming that you would never, ever want anything to do with any company where it can't be proven conclusively that the person or people at the top went through university and were thus suitably qualified to be in charge or (or owning) a business, like BB ?


Again you miss the point!
THEY CLAIM to have such qualifications.
We think that is a lie. If they claim it then they can easily support it if it is true.


Quite frankly, I wouldn't care less if Chris Smith was a college drop-out.


Again what you care about or not is not the isue.
THEY CLAIM to have such qualifications.
If they claim it then it is for them to support theior claim.
they cant support it
So we assume they are lying.
You know? Like innocence is assumed in a criminal case?

[Poyol]

Wow, someone's been busy!
It's been a good read.

If solicitors/lawyers want to contact me, they have my email address to request details.

Jason

[Hypanor]

Banners Broker is a brokerage - at this time, it doesn't actually serve up its own ads, as I understand it, clicksor is one of the major blind advertising networks is uses as its link between its advertisers and the publisher networks.

Here's a couple I've stumbled across in the past month or two :
2432

and another one...
2433
(clicking on the banner sends you to bannersbroker.com and not an affiliate site btw)

So Waverider managed to find the exact same two adverts that Heraldo did on MMG back in early November?

Banners Broker - bannersbroker.com (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Banners-Broker-bannersb-t360913.html&view=findpost&p=7330065#entry7330065)

Banners Broker - bannersbroker.com (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Banners-Broker-bannersb-t360913.html&view=findpost&p=7330085#entry7330085)

Either Waverider and Heraldo are the same person, or all affiliates have been told to use the same two images when trying to argue anything! Either way, a pathetic attempt at legitimising a non-legitimate business.

[Beacon]

Hate to be a spoil-sport, but this kind of practise if more common than you think amongst companies and high net-worth individuals for the purposes of asset protection.

...(The subsidiary managed in Bermuda is technically an Irish company, hence the "Double Irish" nickname.)

Ive written about "transfer pricing" in the past.
Im not fond of having a low tax of 12.5% if most of that is avoided anyway.
The thing is TNC's are acting in a completely legal way and it is covered by double taxation treaties.
Banners Broker isnt a TNC.