Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

[Mundorf]

Don't think there is one today (What a surprise), sept 5th is the next one !!!

..but announced by one sucker ! ! !..it's all now one big mess..they are falling apart on all levels !

[littleroundman]

http://imageshack.com/a/img742/1350/wQsHDg.jpg

It's funny,

I've just had a quick flick through my copy of Norman Vincent Peals' "The Power of Positive Thinking" and I can't for the life of me find where he talks about remaining positive when your favourite ponzi:

* doesn't pay for 22 months

* is legally declared insolvent

* has its' main account confiscated

* is abandoned by its' main pimps

* can't find a payment processor willing to handle its' dirty money

* shuts down its' website

* cancels its' weekly bullshi seminar

* transfers members' funds to the personal accounts of its' organizers

[Whip]

I love that phrase - "incongruously high and accumulating revenues, coupled with generally very low expenses"

Even so, the court docs show that BB is now "deeply insolvent". Which makes me wonder just where all those "incongruously high" revenues went to. Some into accounts set up by Smiffy, is seems, but from there on, where did it go? Weekly deposits of up to $1.2million is a LOT of cash. BBIL has cash in hand of $3.3million - so where is all the rest?

I am hopeful that now this house of cards is tumbling down, the rest will be found.

Some big winners are looking over their shoulders and it's why they got out. Right septic simon?

[Whip]

That's right, love, you stay positive.............

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LMAO....as she sobs at the prospect of never getting that dream house again.

[Whip]

Boom goes the dynamite!

aw......poor dixit honeymoon

[Whip]

So.......I guess we now know what worldewallet found out.

[Della Cate]

Oh dear, oh dear, disquiet over on the FB page.........

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These people really do open themselves up for unflattering comments, don't they????


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You betcha Chris has a good reason to keep quiet............Bwaahahahaha!

[Mundorf]

..and all this just few days before weekly tasks were supposed to be activated...what a pity..really:RpS_sad:

[Brenda]

I have been reading. When you get to the end of 422 pages you will notice the creditors list. 60% of the 9 million claimed is from ten people. Three are in the millions and that excludes Driscolls claim. Incidentally the "IC agreement " proffered by Driscol and others suggest between 5 and 10% was to go back to the IC depending on the amount they brought in. Given driscol claims he is opwed 3 million is that not claiming he brought in at least 30 million?

the Portugal Bill for their World Tour before Chris got involved also seems to pop up and runs into hundreds of thousands. the Liquidator seems not to mention knowing as to what this was .

Beacon , under the heading ' Factum of the applicants' it refers to the documents provided by Driscoll including screen shots of available funds to withdraw from his BB eWallet. As we know, these figures had no foundation of accuracy and were a load of rubbish. Nonetheless, they were the amounts confirmed by BB to it's affiliates as amounts available for withdrawal ( despite no satisfactory available method in place by BB to permit such withdrawals). It could be very easily argued by an affiliate that the amount in the space listed as available to withdraw, was theirs. I further suspect that 10 other big players who also are part of this action would be Driscoll's downline or other big players? The vast majority being smaller, very innocent affiliates who are guilty of just not doing due diligence before handing over the cash.

[NikSam]

Hehe, I see the correspondence with Payza, got Payza worried.

Ferhan Patel, personally was answering the letters :)
Those canadian scammers (Patels) talking about other canadian scammers (BB), but in UK, that is hilarious...

[NikSam]

Check this out, as i pointed before, BBI Belize certificate Chris showed to us was altered (http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-897/index588.html#post67187), and company number was invalid.

Here is what chris showed us:
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And here is their REAL certificate, check the numbers:

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What would be a reason to hide the company number from us ? :)

[Whip]

I don't get it myself. Maybe any reporting against an entity has to be done according to number and not name?

[littleroundman]

I don't get it myself. Maybe any reporting against an entity has to be done according to number and not name?

It's a way of Banners Broker allowing members to "self qualify" themselves as potential long term victims.

HYIP ponzi operators DON'T WANT people who question or investigate.

They DON'T WANT people who look too deeply into the "opportunity" they are being offered.

Professional fraudsters like Smiffy know anyone who is still around after seeing the obviously faked Belize certificate, who believes a Belize certificate actually proves the legitimacy of a business, who believed Banners Broker allowed Kul Josun to walk away with millions of dollars and didn't bother to report him to the police, who was still around after the Isle of Man liquidation and believed Smiffy intentionally left six million bucks to be seized had self qualified him / herself as someone who could be conned into sending good money after bad, no matter how long Banners Broker had stopped payouts.

It's all a numbers game.

Get seven or eight hundred thousand involved, shake a few off every time a new and obvious clue is found proving that the program is nothing more than a smoke and mirrors ponzi fraud, and, after two years you STILL have thousands, of members who have self qualified themselves as being willing to donate more money to the admins' retirement fund.

Throw in the "positive thinking, whatever the cost" crowd, and you have the fifty or sixty thousand remaining Banners Broker members, many / most having self qualified themselves as unquestioning believers of any nonsense they are fed.

[AshKen1]

I wonder when the files will be passed to the police for criminal investigation.

All these claims by certain people for monies owed will come to naught as and when BB is designated a PONZI scheme.

So those who recruited affiliates are [ ] well you fill in the blank...

[Della Cate]

Well, at least the Irish Examiner has got onto this - fair play to them, the only national newspaper in the UK/Ireland to keep on this story.

Pyramid scheme investigation moves to Canada | Irish Examiner (http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/pyramid-scheme-investigation-moves-to-canada-284182.html)

[Whip]

Ocra also raised concerns about how the chief executive of the company, Canadian Chris Smith, was getting money directly into his internet payment account from BBIL registered users.

I guess OCRA didn't buy the 'blind network' excuse either.

[AshKen1]

For those visitors passing by....


I guess OCRA didn't buy the 'blind network' excuse either.

BBFB appears not to accept new posts on their page.

What a pity it would have been nice to slap the post about OCRA having concerns about the money going into Chris Smith's OWN internet payment account on there.

If you're passing by.... take note... Chris Smith was ripping you off... all the way along, he was ripping you off.

You

your friends

your relatives

All those lovely old age pensioners who thought they were onto a winner...

Shame on you if you recruited them, shame on you all

[Della Cate]

for those visitors passing by....



bbfb appears not to accept new posts on their page.

what a pity it would have been nice to slap the post about ocra having concerns about the money going into chris smith's own internet payment account on there.

if you're passing by.... Take note... Chris smith was ripping you off... All the way along, he was ripping you off.

you

your friends

your relatives

all those lovely old age pensioners who thought they were onto a winner...

Shame on you if you recruited them, shame on you all

well said!

[Della Cate]

About the main BBFB page.............It appears that comments have been added - by the regulars, shall we say? - in the last 1 to 2 hours.

And Martin Codack is urging people to "Hang in there" as "all will be revealed very soon!"

We're waiting, utterly on tenterhooks, Marts..........

[covs67]

Does this Banners Broker hyip still exist?? I thought it's been a long time it died...

[HARRISON]

Look at the domain names they registered lol:
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[Della Cate]

Look at the domain names they registered lol:
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Are we to assume that he did this to prevent other people, perhaps those with naughty intentions, from registering and using those names?

If so, I think that is very telling. If you were an innocent business owner, with a genuine business, would it cross your mind that other people might not think the same? That others might see you as, in this example, running a ponzi scheme? Why would it? You are running a genuine business, "in it for the long haul", right?

If I was selling knitted tea cosies, I might register "fabteacosies.org" or "greatknittedcosies.co.uk" to reflect how wonderful I thought my business was. It would never occur to be to register "motheatenknitting.com" or "teacosiesdontwork.co.uk"!

So does this mean, I wonder, that he knew all along what his "business" really was?

We reveal more about us by what we DO rather than what we SAY.

[Ken Roklin]

Are we to assume that he did this to prevent other people, perhaps those with naughty intentions, from registering and using those names?

If so, I think that is very telling. If you were an innocent business owner, with a genuine business, would it cross your mind that other people might not think the same? That others might see you as, in this example, running a ponzi scheme? Why would it? You are running a genuine business, "in it for the long haul", right?

If I was selling knitted tea cosies, I might register "fabteacosies.org" or "greatknittedcosies.co.uk" to reflect how wonderful I thought my business was. It would never occur to be to register "motheatenknitting.com" or "teacosiesdontwork.co.uk"!

So does this mean, I wonder, that he knew all along what his "business" really was?

We reveal more about us by what we DO rather than what we SAY.

His twisted logic might also have been to see who visited the site to complain and then to seize their account.

[Jerrygo]

Probably a lot of these scammers now trying to erase their tracks, and busy deleting their blogs and wild claims of how BB has enriched them.
Well lots of evidence has been saved, and wayback machine is an excellent rescource.
BB site is dead, BBFB page has gone into lockdown, silence from support. Is talkingbb still up? Wish I had access to it, to see what kind of a spin Iain Sherriff is putting on this fatal blow.
I think we are on the last page of this horror story. I got weary of the fight some time ago, but you guys deserve a medal for your stamina and persistence.

[littleroundman]

The Irish Examiner (http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/pyramid-scheme-investigation-moves-to-canada-284182.html) is today reporting:

http://imageshack.com/a/img661/267/4DMpKE.jpg

[BristolWarrior]

it's rob all the way for me, it's the unmistakable teeth for starters!


Yes I agree The teeth are similar and the smile

[Della Cate]

Well, you have to admire the optimism.................

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[Mundorf]

Well, you have to admire the optimism.................

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Possessed by Fata Morgana,this profiles fall with easy into euphoria ...I bet in 1 year some of them will still be trying to find BB Facebook page to see if there is any update regarding web site, payment processor,weekly tasks,webinars :crazy:

[Whip]

Well, you have to admire the optimism.................

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Yeah but:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v649/Whip412/Capture11_zps2336b46e.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Whip412/media/Capture11_zps2336b46e.jpg.html)

Just sayin'

[Dreamstealer]

The Irish Examiner (http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/pyramid-scheme-investigation-moves-to-canada-284182.html) is today reporting:

http://imageshack.com/a/img661/267/4DMpKE.jpg

Oh LRM you are so cynical of this wonderful business venture. All Chris has to do to prove it is legit is show the Canadian authorities the audited accounts that Terry Stern told us exists. Isn't that right Chris?............ Chris? Chris? Are you there Chris?

[Poyol]

Thank F*** for that!

[hendyphilhendy]

Just read through the court document - it is a compelling read!

Looks like this one is almost over. Amazed to see people still being positive on their facebook page.

[Della Cate]

Sometimes there is nothing that you can usefully add to this sort of thing..........


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(Source: BB Fb page)

[Char]

I wondered what happened to Mark Davella, the guy who made the video of Mark Gobril at the mall meeting.


https://www.facebook.com/pages/Banners-Broker-Ponzi-Scam/398614356881465
Mark Davella So with any luck the FBI is monitoring this page, for information about the whereabouts of Mark Ghobril and what he truly looks like please contact me. Apparently he has dyed his hair and mustache but I have better pictures and his current address in Ronkonkoma NY
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[Jerrygo]

Lol. The same Anthony Wall has cleaned out his FB page. It's all on record, too late to hide it now.
I imagine he is not the only one busy trying to cover their tracks.
No mention of BB on Terry Stern's cv, one would think you were ashamed of your role with them Terry.

I have a wonderful picture in my mind, of Chris running around like a headless chicken. In a panic trying to hide bank accounts. Spending his ill gotten gains on accountants and lawyers, in the vain hope of getting him out of the mess he has created. Perhaps they will take panels as payment.

[Jerrygo]

41 guests.... Wow.
Well this and the BBFB page are the only places the affiliates can get any info. BBFB page are not allowing any questions to be posted. Just a couple "positive" comments.
BB website is down. No webinars. Silence from Chris . And Canadian courts investigating him.

Guests, BB is dead. Get your claims in while you can. All info and claim link is over on BBPS fb page (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Banners-Broker-Ponzi-Scam/398614356881465)

[littleroundman]

Banners Broker Ponzi Scam (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Banners-Broker-Ponzi-Scam/398614356881465?hc_location=timeline)August 30

Some information for our new visitors:

This is the Liquidators Website:

(http://dm.epiq11.com/BBB/Project)http://dm.epiq11.com/BBB/ (http://dm.epiq11.com/BBB/)Project

Address and contact details:

Paul Appleton @ David Rubin and Partners.
Email paul.cooper@drpartners.com (paul.cooper@drpartners.com).
020 7400 7900

The address is in England but ALL affiliates (regardless of nationality) can register.

This website contains all the Court Documents relating to Banners Brokers current situation:

(http://www.spergel.ca/corporate/activefiles_bn.php)Spergel: Personal debt help, Corporate Debt Solutions, Debt Consolidation, Bankruptcy, Consumer Proposal Trustee (http://www.spergel.ca/)corporate/activefiles_bn.php

This is our sister site 'TaraTalks' blog address full of information about Banners Broker.

http://taratalkstoday.blogspot.co.uk/ (http://taratalkstoday.blogspot.co.uk/)

Please note:
You will only be able to claim for your ORIGINAL monies paid to Banners Broker.

(Any money 'earned' over and above this figure isn't real so can't be claimed for.)

Please feel free to message us directly or post on our board. There is always someone here to help you.

BBPS Admin Team.

Banners Broker Ponzi Scam (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Banners-Broker-Ponzi-Scam/398614356881465) Facebook page

[Arthur Foxache]

I see that Mark Gobby has joined the Trolls....lol hahahaha..

[Arthur Foxache]

Mark Ghobril

30 August
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I am going to make a statement here and NOW.......I am TIRED and I mean absolutely tired of the internet games going on with programs, cyclers, doublers, matrixes and likes. People, there are NO get rich quick schemes and if your making fast money chances are somebody else is losing it........it is high time that people wake up and realize that effort, hard work and consistency is the key to long term sucess.........







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Christopher Terry Amazing discovery...Mr. Columbus....I agree

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[Joe_Shmoe]

If it's the same Christopher Terry I'm thinking he runs yet another online scam called iMarkets Live. ( IML ) more here iMarketsLive Review: Stock advice as a product? (http://behindmlm.com/companies/imarketslive-review-stock-advice-as-a-product/)

Oh! whilst I think on didn't Mark Ghobril promise to pay back peoples money if Banners Broker collapsed?

Well Mark how about it?

[Whip]

Mark Ghobril

30 August
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I am going to make a statement here and NOW.......I am TIRED and I mean absolutely tired of the internet games going on with programs, cyclers, doublers, matrixes and likes. People, there are NO get rich quick schemes and if your making fast money chances are somebody else is losing it........it is high time that people wake up and realize that effort, hard work and consistency is the key to long term sucess.........







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Christopher Terry Amazing discovery...Mr. Columbus....I agree

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Ha! the gerbil crawling up the ass of the affiliates he fleeced now.

[Joe_Shmoe]

I see that Mark Gobby has joined the Trolls....lol hahahaha..

No doubt the first of many.

[AshKen1]

Welcome to RealScam if this is your first time of visiting.

If you're one of the small fry who has lost money in this ponzi, use the information provided on the BB Ponzi Scam Facebook page to register as a creditor. Nobody can hold out much hope for your money to be returned, but the more information that can be officially held the better.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Banners-Broker-Ponzi-Scam/398614356881465?ref=ts&fref=ts

You may also wish to get your own legal advice about whether your recruiter/upline may be legally responsible for your losses and whether there are any next steps you can take. Check your insurance and/or credit cards to see if you have access to legal advice for free.

Some of those people who recruited you into this sorry mess are professional Ponzi players who will have known exactly what they were doing.

Personally I hope that those current "creditors" of BB who are NOT entitled to the millions they are claiming get told that BB is and always has been a Ponzi scheme that that their claims are worth nothing. That would be justice.

[Della Cate]

Oh dear..........someone over on the BB FB site has asked if the panels are moving while the site is down, because if not, a lot of accounts will go negative.

I mean, what is wrong with these people? Do they not get it? BB has effectively ceased to be. It is no more. It is bankrupt, insolvent, dead. It is like the dead parrot in the Monty Python sketch.

And yet some of them are still prattling on about when will the site be up, will there be a webinar on Friday, when can they have an update and will their blo*dy panels keep moving!!!

Oh, and someone over on the same BB FB page also claims that there is a list going round of 131 "trolls" who are working together to bring down BB in the hope of "cheep (sic) money". (Well, with affiliates being told to get Twitter accounts, I suppose "cheep" money fits in! ).

FFS! I feel like banging my head against the wall........all these people supposedly internet experts making money from advertising (cough), and they haven't done a search to find out information hmmmmm? :duh:

[Joe_Shmoe]

Indeed Della this really beggars belief. :shocked:
Some other choice comments there.


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[Whip]

Oh dear..........someone over on the BB FB site has asked if the panels are moving while the site is down, because if not, a lot of accounts will go negative.

I mean, what is wrong with these people? Do they not get it? BB has effectively ceased to be. It is no more. It is bankrupt, insolvent, dead. It is like the dead parrot in the Monty Python sketch.

And yet some of them are still prattling on about when will the site be up, will there be a webinar on Friday, when can they have an update and will their blo*dy panels keep moving!!!

Oh, and someone over on the same BB FB page also claims that there is a list going round of 131 "trolls" who are working together to bring down BB in the hope of "cheep (sic) money". (Well, with affiliates being told to get Twitter accounts, I suppose "cheep" money fits in! ).

FFS! I feel like banging my head against the wall........all these people supposedly internet experts making money from advertising (cough), and they haven't done a search to find out information hmmmmm? :duh:

Well, to be honest, the 'panels' are moving just as they always have if you think about it. lol

[Fat City, LA]

Indeed Della this really beggars belief. :shocked:
Some other choice comments there.


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In any long con, there are the usual ponzi pimps, the greedy, and those who thought it legit.

Another % are crackpots, insane, and/or just plain stupid.

[Mundorf]

Well, to be honest, the 'panels' are moving just as they always have if you think about it. lol

...well said...but the funny thing is...if you could write the same sentence on BB Facebook page,you would get alt least few likes and would be recognized as a positive thinker ... superficial white-black SWITCH is ALL what they can and will recognize and use

[Dreamstealer]

In any long con, there are the usual ponzi pimps, the greedy, and those who thought it legit.

Another % are crackpots, insane, and/or just plain stupid.

Hopefully this horrible scam won't ruin too many lives. Even the greedy stupid and insane need sympathy. The scammers can rot in hell. Or even better a jail cell.

[Beacon]

Bumping Harrison's Post on the Canadian Liquidator Source

http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-897/index400.html#post75621
Trustee in Bankruptcy, Corporate Insolvency, Restructuring, Consulting, and Corporate Finance - Active Files (http://www.spergel.ca/corporate/activefiles_bn.php)

Nice one Harry!

[laidback]

Hopefully this horrible scam won't ruin too many lives. Even the greedy stupid and insane need sympathy. The scammers can rot in hell. Or even better a jail cell.Not a problem! Sympathy can be found between "sh*t" and "syphilis" in the dictionary...!( This is directed at those "victims" that participate in any more than 1 scam!)

[ribshaw]

I don't know the laws in the UK and history tells us the UK authorities are unlikely to take action, but, unless he can provide evidence of seeking legal advice as to the legitimacy of Banners Broker before he accepted his claimed millions in recruitment commissions, Ian Driscoll has effectively convicted himself of direct involvement in the massive, multi million dollar fraud that is Banners Broker.

In legal terms, Driscoll "knew, or should have known" Banners Broker was an illegal ponzi fraud BEFORE he started accepting recruitment commissions and made such public statements WRT the legitimacy and legality of the Banners Broker "opportunity"

Particularly in the USA, the fact he DID accept commissions and DID very publicly promote Banners Broker would mean unless he could provide verifiable proof he sought and obtained legitimate legal opinion as to the legitimacy of the opportunity he so very publicly promoted, ( and accepted money for doing so) he would find himself in some deep doo doo without a defense


Here is what I believe SHOULD happen with respect to Ian Driscoll's claim. It should be dismissed in its entirety and his contract should be voided as you can't have a contract for an illegal enterprise. That he would hire attorneys, or they would take his money for this nonsense speaks volumes for the type of people that seem to run in these circles.

What happens is anyone's guess, but Banners Broker affiliates NOW is the time to act if you ever hope to see justice.


What Is an Illegal Contract? Illegal Contract Lawyers | LegalMatch Law Library (http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/illegal-contract-lawyers.html)

An illegal contract is a contract that was made for an illegal purpose and, consequently, violates the law. Contracts are illegal if the performance or formation of the agreement will cause the parties to engage in activity that is illegal. The illegality must relate directly to the subject matter creation of the contract and not some intervening circumstance.
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An open message to Banners Broker Affiliates...

These people that call themselves "internet inforpreneurs" or something similar are nothing but snake oil peddlers. They are not "BB Millionaires", they are either common criminals who now hope to blow you off, or were too stupid to detect despite all the evidence that this was a scam. Either way are they the ones you want to be listening to now? Do they have anything constructive to offer other than put on your happy face and cross your fingers?

What did the "trolls" detect over two years ago that these "passive income work from anywhere" experts missed?

[Whip]

Here is what I believe SHOULD happen with respect to Ian Driscoll's claim. It should be dismissed in its entirety and his contract should be voided as you can't have a contract for an illegal enterprise. That he would hire attorneys, or they would take his money for this nonsense speaks volumes for the type of people that seem to run in these circles.

What happens is anyone's guess, but Banners Broker affiliates NOW is the time to act if you ever hope to see justice.


What Is an Illegal Contract? Illegal Contract Lawyers | LegalMatch Law Library (http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/illegal-contract-lawyers.html)

An illegal contract is a contract that was made for an illegal purpose and, consequently, violates the law. Contracts are illegal if the performance or formation of the agreement will cause the parties to engage in activity that is illegal. The illegality must relate directly to the subject matter creation of the contract and not some intervening circumstance.
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An open message to Banners Broker Affiliates...

These people that call themselves "internet inforpreneurs" or something similar are nothing but snake oil peddlers. They are not "BB Millionaires", they are either common criminals who now hope to blow you off, or were too stupid to detect despite all the evidence that this was a scam. Either way are they the ones you want to be listening to now? Do they have anything constructive to offer other than put on your happy face and cross your fingers?

What did the "trolls" detect over two years ago that these "passive income work from anywhere" experts missed?

And still don't want you to know!

[Char]

Here is what I believe SHOULD happen with respect to Ian Driscoll's claim. It should be dismissed in its entirety and his contract should be voided as you can't have a contract for an illegal enterprise. That he would hire attorneys, or they would take his money for this nonsense speaks volumes for the type of people that seem to run in these circles.


He knew it all along. He has since moved on to another scam, Flexkom, where he is the "UK Country Manager". Rockwell Partners was in there for a while too but that one already collapsed.

How could the courts possibly award a known Ponzi pimp with money stolen from the people he recruited into the scam?!!!!!

[Mr. Anderson]

I wonder what will happen to Chris Smith (if that's his real name), Ron Anderson (Rob Pirie), and the other obvious scam artists. While Toronto is looking for the missing millions, will they also go after the culprits? Perhaps they have some personal assets that can be liquidated. That would be justice, as they should not keep their stolen money. Will the Ontarian government start a criminal investigation, if only as a deterrent for them (or someone else) to repeat their scam?

Any comments would be appreciated. Thank you!

[Della Cate]

Fifty-two guests I see.......Hope you find some real information here..........

[Della Cate]

Well, well...............Ms Kathy Kilbey has finally thrown the towel in with BB. And my understanding is that she was a big recruiter for BB, and that one of her catches included our old pal from the south west, Nigel Albright. I'm told that he has already moved on and is dabbling in DS Domination and Leafit (both questionable ventures in my view).

Oh, and Kathy - your £500k "legacy wallet" never really existed you know. It was all monopoly money from the start.

I'll repeat that - IT DIDN'T EXIST. You NEVER had £500k in any wallet, legacy or otherwise. No matter what the evidence placed before you, you still pressed on and insisted it was real. Bet you feel a bit of a twit now. I hope you do. I've never set myself up as any sort of internet marketing guru, but I knew it was all fakery as soon as I heard about it.

How come you didn't, eh?

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[Della Cate]

It's a funny thing, isn't it? Suddenly, people who once defended BB to the hilt, who pushed it, recruited for it and defended it, are now rushing in the opposite direction and either bemoaning their fate or badmouthing BB. And their mealy-mouthed "I feel sorry for people who have wasted their time, oh woe is me, I never guessed" act cuts no ice with me.

I have no sympathy for any of them. None

What sympathy did they show when they were recruiting others? When they went to meetings and told people everything was great and that they were guaranteed to make money, of what were they thinking? What common sense did they display, even when evidence was placed before them to show that Bb didn't work, couldn't work, was all fakery and rubbish? They were quick enough then to turn on people like us and call us "haters" or "trolls" or say we didn't understand the BB system.

The problem was, we DID understand the BB system - and that's why we said it was just one big fake!

So, you former BB fans, lovers and affiliates, you can drop the act. If you have any decency, you will apologise to those you led into this, and you will consider most carefully how you can start to repair some of the damage. Most of all, you won't repeat your mistakes and do the same again with something else.

But the cynic in me wonders how long it will be before we see some of the same names cropping up again with the next "big thing". Some have already skipped off, as we know, to MAPS and IML and Flexcom and Ripplin (remember those?), and many other things. The cycle of hope and misery will no doubt continue. I just hope that more people will have learned a bitter lesson this time and they won't be fooled again. But I fear that is a vain hope.

And to those innocents who have had their fingers burned, remember this....

1. There is no easy way to make money without working.
2. There are people out there who will pose as friends in order to get you to join a scheme.
3. There are people out these who only exist to try to part you from your money. They don't care if it's your last £100 or if it's your redundancy money or if it's the £3,000 your grandad left you. They will take it all the same.
4. If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is

[ribshaw]

I wonder what will happen to Chris Smith (if that's his real name), Ron Anderson (Rob Pirie), and the other obvious scam artists. While Toronto is looking for the missing millions, will they also go after the culprits? Perhaps they have some personal assets that can be liquidated. That would be justice, as they should not keep their stolen money. Will the Ontarian government start a criminal investigation, if only as a deterrent for them (or someone else) to repeat their scam?

Any comments would be appreciated. Thank you!

It largely depends on how aggressively BB affiliates pursue those that stole their money.

There are a lot of people responsible for making this scam possible who need to have civil and legal complaints filed against them. Otherwise they will simply slink away and put up U-Tubes for the next recruiting scheme. The good graces of their marks keeps them in business.

As for recovering money, a lot of scam promoters are deadbeats and/or liars. History tells us these sort of people often lie about how much they make. If they do make any money, they often piss it away as fast as it comes in. Any recovery is a bonus. Ian Driscoll brought $30,000,000 into Banners Broker based on his suit, we can safely assume he can be sued for that much civilly by his victims. Extrapolating at 10% commission, Waters, Gerbil, and Sills could be sued for millions for the money they helped to steal. (It may be no easy lift, but all these people hold themselves out to be "experts" of some flavor.)

One glaring error ALL these thieves made was putting their pictures out there for the authorities to locate. aka Chris Smith seems too stupid to be running this thing, but may be smart enough to roll on the people who hired him. All the dominoes are lining up, BB affiliates need to realize what has happened and be willing to act persistently.

[littleroundman]

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Denial:

Denial is probably one of the best known defense mechanisms, used often to describe situations in which people seem unable to face reality or admit an obvious truth (i.e. "He's in denial."). Denial is an outright refusal to admit or recognize that something has occurred or is currently occurring. Drug addicts or alcoholics often deny that they have a problem, while victims of traumatic events may deny that the event ever occurred.

Denial functions to protect the ego from things that the individual cannot cope with. While this may save us from anxiety or pain, denial also requires a substantial investment of energy. Because of this, other defenses are also used to keep these unacceptable feelings from consciousness.

In many cases, there might be overwhelming evidence that something is true, yet the person will continue to deny its existence or truth because it is too uncomfortable to face.

Denial can involve a flat out rejection of the existence of a fact or reality. In other cases, it might involve admitting that something is true, but minimizing its importance. Sometimes people will accept reality and the seriousness of the fact, but they will deny their own responsibility and instead blame other people or other outside forces.

Addiction is one of the best-known examples of denial. People who are suffering from a substance abuse problem will often flat-out deny that their behavior is problematic. In other cases, they might admit that they do use drugs or alcohol, but will claim that this substance abuse is not a problem.

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[Della Cate]

Can I direct your attention to this excellent posting over on the BB Ponzi Scam FB page?

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Mr Driver has helpfully captured some screen shots of the discussion over at Talking BB. I found it absolutley fascinating and amazing - and not in a good way!

[Della Cate]

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John Ashe, I think that you are an idiot.

[littleroundman]

John Ashe, I think that you are an idiot.

The guy has no alternative but to make statements like that.

Can you for a second imagine one of the remaining Banners Broker faithful coming out and saying:

"You know what, I have been waiting for 2 years to receive a payment from Banners Broker and I have to admit I was wrong all along, Banners Broker has been a ponzi fraud the whole time, the naysayers were 100% correct in their analysis and they have prevented thousands of potential victims finding themselves in the situation I find myself in"

Never happen, Della, never happen.

[Jerrygo]

Wonder what Paul McCarthy is up to these days. Some mention of him in Sunday world newspaper.
You going to give that 5 - 7% back to your victims Paul?

Court hunts 'pyramid scheme' cash / Sunday World (http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/crime-desk/investigations/court-hunts-pyramid-scheme-cash)

[Ken Roklin]

Here is what I believe SHOULD happen with respect to Ian Driscoll's claim. It should be dismissed in its entirety and his contract should be voided as you can't have a contract for an illegal enterprise. That he would hire attorneys, or they would take his money for this nonsense speaks volumes for the type of people that seem to run in these circles.

What happens is anyone's guess, but Banners Broker affiliates NOW is the time to act if you ever hope to see justice.


What Is an Illegal Contract? Illegal Contract Lawyers | LegalMatch Law Library (http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/illegal-contract-lawyers.html)

An illegal contract is a contract that was made for an illegal purpose and, consequently, violates the law. Contracts are illegal if the performance or formation of the agreement will cause the parties to engage in activity that is illegal. The illegality must relate directly to the subject matter creation of the contract and not some intervening circumstance.
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An open message to Banners Broker Affiliates...

These people that call themselves "internet inforpreneurs" or something similar are nothing but snake oil peddlers. They are not "BB Millionaires", they are either common criminals who now hope to blow you off, or were too stupid to detect despite all the evidence that this was a scam. Either way are they the ones you want to be listening to now? Do they have anything constructive to offer other than put on your happy face and cross your fingers?

What did the "trolls" detect over two years ago that these "passive income work from anywhere" experts missed?
By claiming BBI owes him $3mil he is stating that he was personally responsible for conning thousands of people into this scam. He is as guilty as Chris and should be awarded the same fate - restitution (not a monetary award from the courts) to the victims and jail time. The $6 mil plus that the receiver has belongs to the victims in the scam - not Driscoll or Chris or anybody else that promoted this scam.

[Mundorf]

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John Ashe, I think that you are an idiot.

A sick idiot !!

[Whip]

Every online business is abused in the same way

really dude? THAT'S what you're going with? I'm pretty sure eBay and Amazon can show people their books and not make up imaginary people they allegedly work with like 'the blind auction' or 'the blind bookstore'. lmao. what a tool.

[Mundorf]

Can I direct your attention to this excellent posting over on the BB Ponzi Scam FB page?

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Mr Driver has helpfully captured some screen shots of the discussion over at Talking BB. I found it absolutley fascinating and amazing - and not in a good way!

I red it all....imagine a passenger and captain speaking while Titanic is sinking:

Passenger - Captain ,half of the ship is under the water???

Captain - You are watching in wrong direction.If you would watch correctly ,you would see that other part is well above sea level....and look the ship's propeller
how fascinating clean they are.

Passenger - but Sir...people are jumping into the water ????

Captain - yes I know...probably heating in cabins is to strong and they wanted some refreshment ...or think they could reach USA coast faster then this
amazing ship...idiots.

Passenger - Sir....am I wrong or we do not move any more?????

Captain - ...if you watch the stars while we do move,you would have the same impression as now...it's not important the fact do we move or not but only how
and where you look my dear.

[ribshaw]

By claiming BBI owes him $3mil he is stating that he was personally responsible for conning thousands of people into this scam. He is as guilty as Chris and should be awarded the same fate - restitution (not a monetary award from the courts) to the victims and jail time. The $6 mil plus that the receiver has belongs to the victims in the scam - not Driscoll or Chris or anybody else that promoted this scam.

ALL the people at this level are guilty and their income claims SHOULD come back to haunt them. Only a bloody idiot would try to recover funds obtained in an illegal enterprise in a courtroom, yet here we are.

We have all known for some time BB leadership was breaking numerous laws all predicated on affiliates being lead by idiots. Look at how some of these people are still gushing over Jamie's "genius", hell I would venture there are a few that would love to carry Simon's baby.




In all the documents I've read, it not once questions BB legitimacy as a business or a business model


He really must not have looked past the first post of this thread.

I got a PM from a member wanting more info. This comp plan certainly sets off many red flags. I am told Alertpay blocked deposits. Using Alertpay is a red flag in and of itself. How they double one's money is a question that deserves some research. The mansions and cars are another huge red flag. No legitimate companies solicit like this.

Are the ads just a fig leaf cover of a product for a towering pyramid? MLM marketer Dr. Lieven is said to be pushing this. He also pushed PAS. 'nough said!

Soapboxmom http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-897/

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Or read this guy's analysis...

One thing is for certain, you will soon see that actually, yes, it is possible NOT to make money with the Banners Broker system. The real one, anyway. These ads produce only an industry standard return, nothing like what would be required to turn a bunch of third party investors in to millionaires. Banners Broker Scam Update « Finch Sells (http://finchsells.com/2012/12/20/banners-broker-scam-update/)

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No receiver should reward any of these scumbags a dime, much less 1/2 going to Driscoll. That said, if I as an affiliate, I wouldn't leave it to chance, I would make sure the receiver heard my story.

Crazy stuff does happen in courtrooms every day, some of it may even be true. 6 Famous 'Frivolous Lawsuit' Stories That Are Total B.S. | Cracked.com (http://www.cracked.com/article_19150_6-famous-frivolous-lawsuit-stories-that-are-total-b.s._p2.html)

[Mr. Anderson]

It largely depends on how aggressively BB affiliates pursue those that stole their money.

There are a lot of people responsible for making this scam possible who need to have civil and legal complaints filed against them. Otherwise they will simply slink away and put up U-Tubes for the next recruiting scheme. The good graces of their marks keeps them in business.
Thanks for your answer. I'm afraid that the Ontario government is only looking to recuperate those $6.8 million from the Isle of Man. In the mean while, there's many millions more missing. I suspect that the culprits will lie low, find another scapegoat, and start over again with the money they scammed. Unless they're being brought to justice. Weren't some of them already involved with earlier schemes?

I've never been a BB/SP affiliate, so I can't file a complaint. But for anyone else, I'd recommend to file for compensation AND report them anonymously at Crimestoppers. Especially now they're under investigation. Just a few minutes work, but it's worth it to prevent future damage, help to recuperate losses, and for the gratification as well. :)

[Della Cate]

The guy has no alternative but to make statements like that.

Can you for a second imagine one of the remaining Banners Broker faithful coming out and saying:

"You know what, I have been waiting for 2 years to receive a payment from Banners Broker and I have to admit I was wrong all along, Banners Broker has been a ponzi fraud the whole time, the naysayers were 100% correct in their analysis and they have prevented thousands of potential victims finding themselves in the situation I find myself in"

Never happen, Della, never happen.

Oh, I know LRM, it won't happen. But they could just keep their gob shut and say nothing. Remember the saying "It's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot, rather than open it and remove all doubt!"

[Whip]

Oh, I know LRM, it won't happen. But they could just keep their gob shut and say nothing. Remember the saying "It's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot, rather than open it and remove all doubt!"

we need the entertainment.

[Della Cate]

I wonder if Little Jamie is thinking ahead...........??

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(Oh and Jamie, sweetie, if you lend or borrow money from anyone without a written agreement, you are heading for trouble when the time comes to pay it back.

"Neither a borrower nor a lender be / For loan oft loses both itself and friend" - Hamlet by William Shakespeare.

Or in this case: "Neither a banners broker nor affiliate be / For membership oft parts you from your cash / And when you seek your due return /There shall be woe and all your hopes to dash" )

[Joe_Shmoe]

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Well at least they are polite & have apologised for any inconvenience. :RpS_smile:

If you are gonna be scammed they might as well try to make the experience as nice as possible. :RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol:





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The explanation is simple pal YOU HAVE BEEN SCAMMED!!!

[AshKen1]

As I was idly scanning the BB Facebook page today, I noticed something quite interesting about many of the commenters. Only a handful, if that, had more than 50 FB "friends". Many had none.

I guess I'm being naive, but I would have hoped that "internet entrepreneurs" like this happy band, would have a rich network of contacts. Or were they just hoop jumping at the behest of C Smith, Esq....

Oh silly me.... whatever was I thinking??

For our visitors: filed your creditor claims yet? Best you do that quickly or the money will be gone.

[Fat City, LA]

Anyone else noticed a huge % of those left backing BB appear to be elderly British spinsters.

[Mr. Anderson]

As I was idly scanning the BB Facebook page today, I noticed something quite interesting about many of the commenters. Only a handful, if that, had more than 50 FB "friends". Many had none.[/B]

The comments and 'friends' look artificial. I bet they've used software (eg. Hootsuite) and fake accounts (Fiverr) to build up fake testimonials, Likes, and replies. Probably one guy with many hats (or a wig) on, posting to different accounts.

[ribshaw]

The explanation is simple pal YOU HAVE BEEN SCAMMED!!!

I almost think it would be easier to convince those left in BB that Illuminati are drinking their milk straight from the jug and planting tracking chips behind their ears.

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Hell, BB got shut down in Belize and IOM, that has to be harder than getting thrown out of a biker rally for being too boisterous. With hundreds of pages of reading and PROOFs this was all a lie, we will get months of it was going to pay but.....

The GUBMIT Shut it down.

The BANKS forced the GUMBIT to shut it down.

The Drones/Haters crashed the blind network.

Stock Photo Chris Smith is tying up aka Chris Smith in a nasty paternity suit.

[Della Cate]

Over on the BB Fb page, bewildered affilates are still scratching about for reasons why their beloved BB has crashed and burned.....

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Ann Hardman - to call anyone else greedy (after all, why did anyone join BB, other than the lure of fast easy money without effort?) is the pot calling the kettle IMO.

Simon Capon - just who has had their "dreams come true" through BB? I can only think of people like Chris Smith and even his "dream" has become a bit of a nightmare recently. Where do either of you think the money came from, eh? And don't say "adverts on the blind network" or you will look very, very silly!

[Jerrygo]

Have to laugh at Iain Sherriff over on BBFB page. Iain Sherriff >> "www.talkingbb.com is covering and reporting ALL facts connected with this".
Yes right Iain, you are putting your crooked spin on the BB demise, and if anyone dares to speak the truth you will ban them as you have done numerous times over the last 2 years.
The view that you are pushing is that "trolls" are damaging BB in order to drive traffic to their sites to profit from that.... What??? Your affiliates can see that there is not 1 single advert on this page!! Or on the BBPS page.
Your spin is to try to hide your culpability now that BB is dead. You have taken many thousands of $ from people under false pretenses. Ridiculed them and banned them when they raise questions. They will never see a cent of that back. And you will be remembered for your actions when you move to your next scam.
Affiliates have never heard any of the breaking news from talkingbb. NEVER.
They have to come here or to BBPS page to learn the truth. Every single disclosure on the BB ponzi has been unearthed and exposed on these two sites.
That is why the affiliates come here. Not to read your self serving bs. But to learn the truth. Proven and documented.

[Mundorf]

Over on the BB Fb page, bewildered affilates are still scratching about for reasons why their beloved BB has crashed and burned.....

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Ann Hardman - to call anyone else greedy (after all, why did anyone join BB, other than the lure of fast easy money without effort?) is the pot calling the kettle IMO.

Simon Capon - just who has had their "dreams come true" through BB? I can only think of people like Chris Smith and even his "dream" has become a bit of a nightmare recently. Where do either of you think the money came from, eh? And don't say "adverts on the blind network" or you will look very, very silly!

...and Nadia Gyamfi - ...... Hope Chris health is good.She is so worried about Chris health but is left aside in the darkness from the same Chris as a peace of crumpled paper.What makes scam victims so prone,servile??...For scam being functional I think more...if not the most important focus,is this special personal relationship between victim and main leader.If the business has profit as motive then scam must create something else that will make people stay tight together as payments are not a permanent option.If greedy is the motor of any scam then blind devotion is its fuel .If the church has Sunday as the day of grace and solidarity,BB had it on Friday with famous webinars...they were full of nonsense repeating the same things over and over ??...not at all ,webinars were not created to give any information or update - if they were then nonsense would be the right word...sadly webinars were organized in a such manner to prepare victims for unquestioning self-humiliation, utter submission, trust and belief as " saint " Chris can not and should not be responsible for anything...after all he LOVES us and thus TAKE CARE OF ALL OF US....or...victims are nothing and nobody and can even die but Chris must live for always as "only he knows what we really want"

[Della Cate]

Last postings on the BB Blog and BB twitter were both 25th August. I am guessing that last posting by the admin on the BB Fb page was about the same time.

Since then, nothing. Not a peep, not a word, nothing from Rockin' Ronnie or Smiffy. Very little from people like Iain Sherriff and Little Jamie, other than (as far as I know) in Talking BB where they seem to be still defending it. Little Jamie has skipped off to another venture anyway, as shown on his FB page. And some of the other smaller players are now pimping things like Leafit, MAPS and DSD, amongst others. There are some true believers still on the BB Fb page, but they are f*rting against thunder. The thunder of silence from BB.

Silence can be loud, can't it? And the silence from the BB organisers is deafening isn't it?

The fact that they are NOT saying anything tells me a LOT. Because what, after all, can they say?

[Char]

This pattern of behavior (supporting Chris) is nothing new unfortunately.

Next the sheeple will be raising money for Chris' legal defense - If authorities can find him.

[Brenda]

Have to laugh at Iain Sherriff over on BBFB page. Iain Sherriff >> "www.talkingbb.com is covering and reporting ALL facts connected with this".
Yes right Iain, you are putting your crooked spin on the BB demise, and if anyone dares to speak the truth you will ban them as you have done numerous times over the last 2 years.
The view that you are pushing is that "trolls" are damaging BB in order to drive traffic to their sites to profit from that.... What??? Your affiliates can see that there is not 1 single advert on this page!! Or on the BBPS page.
Your spin is to try to hide your culpability now that BB is dead. You have taken many thousands of $ from people under false pretenses. Ridiculed them and banned them when they raise questions. They will never see a cent of that back. And you will be remembered for your actions when you move to your next scam.
Affiliates have never heard any of the breaking news from talkingbb. NEVER.
They have to come here or to BBPS page to learn the truth. Every single disclosure on the BB ponzi has been unearthed and exposed on these two sites.
That is why the affiliates come here. Not to read your self serving bs. But to learn the truth. Proven and documented.

Jerrygo, it's all in preparation for their pretendy 'never saw that coming' ' we were fooled just like you' rubbish that will come when their poor downlines really get it that the money is gone. The sad thing is, that while these pseudo experts are playing the ponzi game, their downlines are losing out on any chance of getting any money back through the channels shown to be available to them via liquidators/ chargebacks or simply taking these bullies on themselves for their money back. The Sherriffs of this world maybe just buying themselves valuable time spouting this rubbish while fearful downlines sit on the fence in hope!

[Brenda]

Over on the BB Fb page, bewildered affilates are still scratching about for reasons why their beloved BB has crashed and burned.....

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Ann Hardman - to call anyone else greedy (after all, why did anyone join BB, other than the lure of fast easy money without effort?) is the pot calling the kettle IMO.

Simon Capon - just who has had their "dreams come true" through BB? I can only think of people like Chris Smith and even his "dream" has become a bit of a nightmare recently. Where do either of you think the money came from, eh? And don't say "adverts on the blind network" or you will look very, very silly!

Ann Hardman needs to do herself a favour and read the court documents which clearly explain how Saint Chris was given every chance to comply with requests to answer the queries raised by the liqidators/ courts, to forward documentation requested and his failure to do so. Driscoll didn't ask him for these things, authorities did! Ann's real question should be, why did Chris not move heaven and earth to protect that Isle of Man money for her, her downline and all affiliates who had contributed to that little pot of 6.5 million held in their trust! Why was that account primarily a vessel for depositing money and not for payouts ( this alone spurred the investigation) and finally, why it would appear that funds were deposited directly to Saint Chris's personal Canadian bank account all the while NOT paying a penny to affiliates?

That said, it would be such a further injustice to see Driscoll's claim being awarded for their is no doubt, that his claim is purely self interested.

[kiwichick]

Hi all..................great to log in after a while away from the forum and see that finally the courts are taking victims rights seriously for a change.....dunno about anyone else but I'd love to see and update video from Alan in his trailer......kiwi

[littleroundman]

The sad thing is, should the website come back online, there would be a percentage of members who have been conditioned to accept the website going down and they would say "See, we told you. It's gone down before and has always come back"

Then they would happily send off more money

[Mundorf]

The sad thing is, should the website come back online, there would be a percentage of members who have been conditioned to accept the website going down and they would say "See, we told you. It's gone down before and has always come back"

Then they would happily send off more money

This would be for sure the worst scenario.For real company this would mean a huge negative impact for the future but as BB is scam ,it would have the same impact only in + direction for them..not only that...it would probably erase all doubts many victims have collected in last few months regarding payments,issues,etc. and would probably produce new explosion of false hope and trust...and...Chris would be seen as new "God" - the saver,a men who can beat all and everything...not only some % LM...unfortunately

[Whip]

Have to laugh at Iain Sherriff over on BBFB page. Iain Sherriff >> "www.talkingbb.com is covering and reporting ALL facts connected with this".
Yes right Iain, you are putting your crooked spin on the BB demise, and if anyone dares to speak the truth you will ban them as you have done numerous times over the last 2 years.
The view that you are pushing is that "trolls" are damaging BB in order to drive traffic to their sites to profit from that.... What??? Your affiliates can see that there is not 1 single advert on this page!! Or on the BBPS page.
Your spin is to try to hide your culpability now that BB is dead. You have taken many thousands of $ from people under false pretenses. Ridiculed them and banned them when they raise questions. They will never see a cent of that back. And you will be remembered for your actions when you move to your next scam.
Affiliates have never heard any of the breaking news from talkingbb. NEVER.
They have to come here or to BBPS page to learn the truth. Every single disclosure on the BB ponzi has been unearthed and exposed on these two sites.
That is why the affiliates come here. Not to read your self serving bs. But to learn the truth. Proven and documented.

And if there were.......wouldn't they be from BB through the 'blind network' anyway? lmao!

I mean, they made it seem like they had internet advertising monopolized. *sigh* these assclowns really should hear themselves when they talk.

[Whip]

...and Nadia Gyamfi - ...... Hope Chris health is good.She is so worried about Chris health

Maybe she means the 'white' Chris since he hasn't been seen in a while.

[Whip]

Last postings on the BB Blog and BB twitter were both 25th August. I am guessing that last posting by the admin on the BB Fb page was about the same time.

Since then, nothing. Not a peep, not a word, nothing from Rockin' Ronnie or Smiffy. Very little from people like Iain Sherriff and Little Jamie, other than (as far as I know) in Talking BB where they seem to be still defending it. Little Jamie has skipped off to another venture anyway, as shown on his FB page. And some of the other smaller players are now pimping things like Leafit, MAPS and DSD, amongst others. There are some true believers still on the BB Fb page, but they are f*rting against thunder. The thunder of silence from BB.

Silence can be loud, can't it? And the silence from the BB organisers is deafening isn't it?

The fact that they are NOT saying anything tells me a LOT. Because what, after all, can they say?

As well as trying to get all involvement in this scam scrubbed from the net.

[ribshaw]

.....dunno about anyone else but I'd love to see and update video from Alan in his trailer......kiwi

Yes indeedy Alan.Sills sure does owe his victims an explanation. Alan@Alansills.com has quite the history of promoting scams and generally being wrong at just about everything business.

http://www.realscam.com/f11/alan-sills-alansills-com-knowlegeable-business-builder-dangerous-your-wallet-2793/

Its interesting once again Alan has not only been presented with evidence of the Banners Broker fraud, been asked to investigate it, and chosen to remain silent. Affiliates who are going to hear lots of "stories" need to be careful with the "I am as shocked as you" that will surely be coming from confidence men like Sills.

First a little trip down memory lane.... Whoever #24 was that came in for $5000 (1:21) jeesh I hope you are filing complaints with the FBI, SEC, FTC and State Attorney Generals. Just saying there is enough in this video to prove Alan Sills was marketing Banners Broker as a security without a license.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUplyHoxK5o

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I know what you are thinking, of course Alan Shills won't respond to a caustic blowhard like you. After nearly two years of affiliates being owed money and towing the company line about trusting Chris Smith surely Alan would not promote Banners Broker on HYIP sites and try and take in new money. I mean it is one thing to be owed money yourself and believe, a whole other to hide the truth from others while taking their money. Who would do such a thing?

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High-Yield Investment Program (HYIP) Definition | Investopedia (http://www.investopedia.com/terms/h/high-yield-investment-program.asp).

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From Alan's Facebook page, don't bother looking he has long since deleted the posts, but don't buy any bullshit from this guy. Only an idiot would believe he did not know he was promoting a scam.

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From his U-TUBE CHANNEL.

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[EagleOne]

I keep wondering what would happen if the black Chris Smith showed up at the hearing and announced he was not really "The Chris Smith," but just an actor who played being Chris Smith.

[Mr. Anderson]

I keep wondering what would happen if the black Chris Smith showed up at the hearing and announced he was not really "The Chris Smith," but just an actor who played being Chris Smith.
...then he'd still have to explain why he posed as someone else. Perhaps he'll try to convince the judge that he though it was part of some production. Like anyone would believe that! Considering the amount of evidence available (video footage, Facebook, Linked In...), I think they'd be quick to rat each other out, in return for the court's clemency. They might even consider to clam up, go to jail for a year or 2, and then live off their hidden stash on some Caribbean island.

[Beacon]

Over on the BB Fb page, bewildered affilates are still scratching about for reasons why their beloved BB has crashed and burned...

Ann Hardman - to call anyone else greedy (after all, why did anyone join BB, other than the lure of fast easy money without effort?) is the pot calling the kettle IMO.

Simon Capon - just who has had their "dreams come true" through BB? I can only think of people like Chris Smith and even his "dream" has become a bit of a nightmare recently. Where do either of you think the money came from, eh? And don't say "adverts on the blind network" or you will look very, very silly!

Apart from the cognitive dissonance of greedy people saying it failed because of others being greedy there is a com[;ete lack of rational thinking. I mean what is the difference between.
1. There is no evidence of it not being a scam e.g. no evidence of anyone connected to BB having any background or track record ion a business or any qualification either professional or academic in business, accountancy, advertising, information technology or any other skills related to what they claimed BB was; no actual audited accounts, company documents, articles or memoranda of association which show any specific reference to internet or other advertising.

i.e. 1 No evidence it is a proper business and not a scam
and
2. It is a scam.

I have been asking this for some time i.e. what is the difference between "no actual evidence of unicorns existing" and "no actual unicorns exist"?
But the sheep seem to park their reason when they take their greed out for a spin.

[Beacon]

I keep wondering what would happen if the black Chris Smith showed up at the hearing and announced he was not really "The Chris Smith," but just an actor who played being Chris Smith.

Assuming the IoM staff can identify the man who came into their office he would have a deal of work explaining how he was just "acting" when he tried to fraudulently obtain the 6 million "rainy day money" in the IoM account. And how he was acting when he diverted all that non rainy day money into his own accounts in Canada.

[ribshaw]

I have been asking this for some time i.e. what is the difference between "no actual evidence of unicorns existing" and "no actual unicorns exist"?



How do you explain this smarty pants?

8273


To your point a common error almost every scam victim makes is not being able to independently verify the story they are being told. Usually accomplished by allowing the scammer to control both account statements and the flow of money. Even in the beginning where they are often paid on time, people still need to demand independent data. If not they may as well be this guy...

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[Fat City, LA]

This is heavy and hits home.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=709734435769454&id=398614356881465

[littleroundman]

This is heavy and hits home.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=709734435769454&id=398614356881465

http://imageshack.com/a/img540/1849/JzwpMw.jpg

[Beacon]

This is heavy and hits home.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=709734435769454&id=398614356881465

And the sheep will say that guy is only trolling for his own publicity so he can make money himself and destroy the "business" of BB.

[Beacon]

How do you explain this smarty pants?

8273


Ther is a difference between a unicorn and a representation of a unicorn. Unicorns do in fact exist ~ in our imagination. But the idea that if they did they would not only be hunted for their horns but eaten . Bizzarre! :)

[Gregg]

I keep wondering what would happen if the black Chris Smith showed up at the hearing and announced he was not really "The Chris Smith," but just an actor who played being Chris Smith.

When he set up BBIL in IofM he had to produce a Canadian Passport, everything else may be a lie, but we do know who he is.

[AshKen1]

Someone popped this link onto the BB Ponzi Scheme page on Facebook.... I am sure that Mr David Hooker is really pleased that his photo is prominently displayed alongside the news about the BB webpage being closed. I am sure it will have no detrimental effect on his future career... well not much.

Court Order To Take Control Of Banners Broker Issued (http://www.businessforhome.org/2014/09/court-order-to-take-control-of-banners-broker-issued/)

Y'all have a nice day now :)

[Beacon]

heres Lorenzo (guarini I think) @ 31mins answering Mark gobshites question on "team funtastic" . He presents the "negative advertising" point suggesting Realscam and others are promoting their own produce.At 34:50 gobshite makes a completely unsupported allegation that one blogger says himself he is a "scumbag trying to get traffic" . funny how he cant supply the actual reference to this so called "negative blogger" . If it is Guarini he was around since the Dixit days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0WNtVe17c8

Is the Duncan featured Duncan Wood by the way?

LOL at 2mins 46 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMNtTPCOyow
He even mentions sometimes people ask me "are you in a scam"?
lol at 5:30 he is talking about tax savings
Like other videos he does not mention the name of the scam but
At 10:06 he drops the name of the Scam by accidence and says "I slipped there a little but"

Numis Network

Cross reference this thread:
http://www.realscam.com/f9/numis-network-robert-kiyosaki-pot-gold-end-rainbow-110/

[littleroundman]

heres Lorenzo (guarini I think) @ 31mins answering Mark gobshites question on "team funtastic" . He presents the "negative advertising" point suggesting Realscam and others are promoting their own produce.At 34:50 gobshite makes a completely unsupported allegation that one blogger says himself he is a "scumbag trying to get traffic" . funny how he cant supply the actual reference to this so called "negative blogger" . If it is Guarini he was around since the Dixit days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0WNtVe17c8

Is the Duncan featured Duncan Wood by the way?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=w0WNtVe17c8

[littleroundman]

LOL at 2mins 46 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMNtTPCOyow
He even mentions sometimes people ask me "are you in a scam"?
lol at 5:30 he is talking about tax savings
Like other videos he does not mention the name of the scam but
At 10:06 he drops the name of the Scam by accidence and says "I slipped there a little but"

Numis Network

Cross reference this thread:
Numis Network & Robert Kiyosaki a Pot of Gold at the End of the Rainbow??? (http://www.realscam.com/f9/numis-network-robert-kiyosaki-pot-gold-end-rainbow-110/)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMNtTPCOyow&feature=player_detailpage

[Ken Roklin]

This is heavy and hits home.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=709734435769454&id=398614356881465

While this is a very sad and difficult time for the family it is also a lesson to those who bring in family and friends into a scheme such as BBI. He put his heart and soul into a scam, recruiting to build a fake business, but at what cost. How much due diligence did he do? There was enough material on the internet to give any potential affiliate enough information that BBI was a Ponzi and doomed to fail, and yet, because of greed, they opted to proceed, despite the red flags and warnings from real business people, in the hopes of making a lot of money by doing virtually nothing.

Why would any rational thinking person allow anyone to put all their life savings into a pie-in-the- sky venture? Nobody in any business venture should ever put all their eggs in one basket, even in real companies that have a track record aren't 100% secure (i.e. Nortel). All statistics show that MLM type businessess are one of the poorest and riskiest ventures to invest in yet they draw the most people - all because of the hype to make easy money fast. The results for the most part are, as in the case here, disastrous and this case should be a warning to those contemplating joining and promoting any of these schemes.

[Beacon]

Why would any rational thinking person allow anyone to put all their life savings into a pie-in-the- sky venture?...

Ill go back to one of my stock references... altemeyer Especially chapter 3 and 4 in this case
http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAuthoritarians.pdf
page 76

For
example, they listened to a tape of two
lawyers debating a school segregation case on
a
McNeil/Lehrer News Hour
program. Wegmann found High RWAs indeed had more
trouble remembering details of the material
they’d encountered, and they made more
incorrect inferences on a reasoning test th
an others usually did. Overall, the
authoritarians had lots of trouble simply thinking straight.

He continues

All fish live in the sea.
Sharks live in the sea..
Therefore, sharks are fish.
The conclusion does not follow, but high RW
As would be more likely to say the
reasoning is correct than most people woul
d. If you ask them why it seems right, they
would likely tell you, “Because sharks are fi
sh.” In other word
s, they thought the
reasoning was sound because they agreed with
the last statement. If the conclusion is
right, they figure, then the reasoning must
have been right. Or
to put it another way,
they don’t “get it” that the reasoning matters--especially on a reasoning test.

Altemeyer refers to £religious" beliefs and ESP and biorythms and such like. Which makes me think it is no wonder Ponzis recruit from pentecostal churches, Welness groups and the like who have similar RWA mindsets.



virtually everyone said
she had questioned the existence of God
at some time in her life. What did the au
thoritarian students do when this question
arose? Most of all, they prayed for enli
ghtenment. Secondly, they talked to their
friends who believed in God. Or
they talked with their parent
s. Or they read scriptures.
In other words, they seldom made a two-side
d search of the issue.
Basically they seem
to have been seeking
reassurance
about the Divinity, not pro- and con- arguments
about its existence--
p 80

Ponzi players ( the sheep not the leaders) seem to be similar
75
Chapter Three
How Authoritarian Followers Think

1. Illogical Thinking

He goes on to list 6 more traits which I defy anyone to say are not mirrored in the ponzi playing sheeple.

[ribshaw]

Banners Broker Affiliates who are now in loss, here is another PIMP that stole your money. He withdrew $100,000 of his $1,000,000 in "earnings", how did that work out for you? Remember that when he is wetting all over himself like a puppy trying to tell you he had no idea this was a scam.

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lol at 5:30 he is talking about tax savings

Numis Network




I want to address something he just said about Numis and tax deductions. HE JUST LIED about your monthly product purchases being deductible. Its OK a lot in the MLM community get this wrong. BUT that is what happens when you listen to IDIOTS posing as business professionals. Anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of accounting and tax would have spotted Banners Broker as a fraud long ago.

I digress.

FROM THE IRS:

However, the cost of a product that is used by the direct seller is a personal expense, even if that product is occasionally shown to prospective customers. Some direct sellers erroneously think they can decorate their home with products and deduct the cost as a business expense. To be deductible under IRC Section 162, the expense must be an ordinary and necessary expense paid or incurred in carrying on a trade or business (also see Regulation 1.162-3). Under IRC Section 262, no deduction generally is allowed for personal, living, or family expenses.

Example 1: York is a direct seller who uses many of the products in her own home. When potential customers come to her house, she can show them drapes she bought from the company, as well as her lawn chairs, toaster, grill, tea set and spice cabinet. By showing these items in her own home, she hopes to interest people in buying them from her company or in becoming a direct seller themselves. York cannot take a deduction for the cost of any of these products. Because she uses them in her own home for personal reasons, their cost is not a cost of doing business.

Retail Industry ATG - Chapter 3: Examination Techniques for Specific Industries (Direct Sellers) (http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Retail-Industry-ATG-Chapter-3-Examination-Techniques-for-Specific-Industries-Direct-Sellers#cost)

I leave you MLM hopefuls to answer the question, what sort of a ******* idiot makes a video telling you to cheat on your taxes? Especially considering it takes less than a minute to dispel chapter and verse?

Gerbil, I like my coffee like I like my women, hot and bitter.

================================================== ===========

I want to banish one other LIE people like Mark Gerbil would have you believe. While I can't speak for everyone here, I HAVE NOTHING TO SELL. This is a hobby for me, I hate fishing and my birdhouses come out looking like napkin holders. In fact I would say at some level it costs me money to do this as I could be doing other things. Of the people that I chat with here and on Facebook I get the distinct impression it is the same for a lot of them.

The rest is what it is, but I would ask do you listen to the the guy who wants your money that just got caught lying? The guy who let his house slip into foreclosure while claiming to be a Banners Broker Millionaire? The guy who did not have enough accounting or legal training to understand he was marketing an illegal pyramid/ponzi scheme?

Or do you listen to the people who put out a lot of good information and say read this?

[Whip]

Banners Broker Affiliates who are now in loss, here is another PIMP that stole your money. He withdrew $100,000 of his $1,000,000 in "earnings", how did that work out for you? Remember that when he is wetting all over himself like a puppy trying to tell you he had no idea this was a scam.

8276







I want to address something he just said about Numis and tax deductions. HE JUST LIED about your monthly product purchases being deductible. Its OK a lot in the MLM community get this wrong. BUT that is what happens when you listen to IDIOTS posing as business professionals. Anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of accounting and tax would have spotted Banners Broker as a fraud long ago.

I digress.

FROM THE IRS:

However, the cost of a product that is used by the direct seller is a personal expense, even if that product is occasionally shown to prospective customers. Some direct sellers erroneously think they can decorate their home with products and deduct the cost as a business expense. To be deductible under IRC Section 162, the expense must be an ordinary and necessary expense paid or incurred in carrying on a trade or business (also see Regulation 1.162-3). Under IRC Section 262, no deduction generally is allowed for personal, living, or family expenses.

Example 1: York is a direct seller who uses many of the products in her own home. When potential customers come to her house, she can show them drapes she bought from the company, as well as her lawn chairs, toaster, grill, tea set and spice cabinet. By showing these items in her own home, she hopes to interest people in buying them from her company or in becoming a direct seller themselves. York cannot take a deduction for the cost of any of these products. Because she uses them in her own home for personal reasons, their cost is not a cost of doing business.

Retail Industry ATG - Chapter 3: Examination Techniques for Specific Industries (Direct Sellers) (http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Retail-Industry-ATG-Chapter-3-Examination-Techniques-for-Specific-Industries-Direct-Sellers#cost)

I leave you MLM hopefuls to answer the question, what sort of a ******* idiot makes a video telling you to cheat on your taxes? Especially considering it takes less than a minute to dispel chapter and verse?

Gerbil, I like my coffee like I like my women, hot and bitter.

================================================== ===========

I want to banish one other LIE people like Mark Gerbil would have you believe. While I can't speak for everyone here, I HAVE NOTHING TO SELL. This is a hobby for me, I hate fishing and my birdhouses come out looking like napkin holders. In fact I would say at some level it costs me money to do this as I could be doing other things. Of the people that I chat with here and on Facebook I get the distinct impression it is the same for a lot of them.

The rest is what it is, but I would ask do you listen to the the guy who wants your money that just got caught lying? The guy who let his house slip into foreclosure while claiming to be a Banners Broker Millionaire? The guy who did not have enough accounting or legal training to understand he was marketing an illegal pyramid/ponzi scheme?

Or do you listen to the people who put out a lot of good information and say read this?

In my State, quarterly tax payed is called 'Sales and Use tax' for a reason.

[ribshaw]

Moderators feel free to move/delete this. I am just astounded that people like Mark Gerbil continue to give such piss poor advice. Especially on top of them already losing people so much money in Banners Broker.



In my State, quarterly tax payed is called 'Sales and Use tax' for a reason.

Exactly and I doubt if you brag about buying inventory to be resold as some sort of unknown by CPAs magical tax savings panacea.

========================================

For the affiliates who lost money with Gerbil in Banners Broker, here is what the genius of modern finance is trying to sell you...

You buy a coin that is probably worth $1000 for $1500 because you want to be in an MLM and spend your life making U-TUBE videos.

You then get lucky enough to sell that coin to some other sucker for $2000.

Your taxable gain is $500. Nothing magical, no big "tax deduction". Good luck finding another sucker who will pay $2000 for a $1000 worth of coin, but that's MLM for you.

If you simply buy it to hold it there is NO tax deduction, unless you sell it at the loss you will likely take because you overpaid for it in the first place. Oh I know they have a buyback guarantee, just like Chris Smith has always kept his word.


ADDED COMMENTARY... unless you are an experienced collector or just like it coin collecting as a HOBBY don't buy numismatics. Buy metal value only at a small premium to spot, or don't. There is plenty of discussion about the reasons behind this on the web.
========================================

Two more quick links so I can drive traffic to my pretend website while I am at the Ramada pretending to be hucking no money down real estate seminars. :RpS_wink:

One thing you will hear frequently in the scam community especially with the purchase of metals/real estate is the use of Self Directed IRAs.


Even if the investment is on the up-and-up, an investor can easily run afoul of tax laws governing self-directed IRAs. One big hazard is "self dealing," which prohibits an investor from using tax-advantaged assets for personal use. Kiplinger - Interstitial (http://www.kiplinger.com/article/retirement/T032-C000-S001-avoid-the-pitfalls-of-self-directed-iras.html)

Investor Alert: Self-Directed IRAs and the Risk of Fraud | Investor.gov (http://investor.gov/news-alerts/investor-alerts/investor-alert-self-directed-iras-risk-fraud#.VAnzUmNuWMg)


Some more reading that would have kept you out of Banners Broker, and if you look now away from Gold Scams.

Investor Alert: 10 Red Flags That an Unregistered Offering May Be a Scam | Investor.gov (http://investor.gov/news-alerts/investor-alerts/investor-alert-10-red-flags-unregistered-offering-may-be-scam#.VAnvQGNuWMg)

[Fat City, LA]

Even by the lofty BB Crackpot standards, this is clueless. I just had my 1st LOL of the day.

Willi Austria "I assume you are clear, that if you claim money from BB over the liquidator, that you forfeit everything what you have on your BB account. I know, its only hypothetical in the moment, but surely you know that.
9 hrs"

Its a reply to this post.
https://www.facebook.com/bannersbroker/posts/700749616675746?comment_id=700999979984043&offset=0&total_comments=115

[Buster Gutt]

At 34:50 gobshite makes a completely unsupported allegation that one blogger says himself he is a "scumbag trying to get traffic" . funny how he cant supply the actual reference to this so called "negative blogger" .

Interview with Affiliate Marketing Lord Finch Sells (http://www.generationy.com/interview-finch-sells)

Q: "Hi Finch, tell us a little bit about yourself, where are you from, where do you live now?"

A: "Well, I’m a 24-year-old affiliate marketer, which I guess is interchangeable with Internet Scumbag. I make money through advertising and telling people they need products and services that they probably don’t."

[Whip]

Even by the lofty BB Crackpot standards, this is clueless. I just had my 1st LOL of the day.

Willi Austria "I assume you are clear, that if you claim money from BB over the liquidator, that you forfeit everything what you have on your BB account. I know, its only hypothetical in the moment, but surely you know that.
9 hrs"

Its a reply to this post.
https://www.facebook.com/bannersbroker/posts/700749616675746?comment_id=700999979984043&offset=0&total_comments=115

I'm pretty sure everyone will have no issue 'forfeiting' 0.00

[Fat City, LA]

https://www.facebook.com/143442489171945/photos/p.316174201898772/316174201898772/?type=1&theater

This will be the largest collection of the ignorant ever assembled.

Frromthe BB fraud fb page.

[HARRISON]

https://www.facebook.com/143442489171945/photos/p.316174201898772/316174201898772/?type=1&theater

This will be the largest collection of the ignorant ever assembled.

Frromthe BB fraud fb page.


And look who belongs to it:


8279

8280

https://www.facebook.com/groups/726137294123299/

[littleroundman]

https://www.facebook.com/143442489171945/photos/p.316174201898772/316174201898772/?type=1&theater

This will be the largest collection of the ignorant ever assembled.

Frromthe BB fraud fb page.

http://imageshack.com/a/img902/4214/bAgXzV.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img743/7297/nV0kDW.jpg

[littleroundman]

http://imageshack.com/a/img538/7695/Qg7bCf.jpg

SUNDAY WORLD.com (http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/crime-desk/investigations/court-hunts-pyramid-scheme-cash)

[Martin88]

Interview with Affiliate Marketing Lord Finch Sells (http://www.generationy.com/interview-finch-sells)

Q: "Hi Finch, tell us a little bit about yourself, where are you from, where do you live now?"

A: "Well, I’m a 24-year-old affiliate marketer, which I guess is interchangeable with Internet Scumbag. I make money through advertising and telling people they need products and services that they probably don’t."

They do realise I was being sarcastic, right?

The entire capitalist world is built on selling things people don't need. There's a difference between convincing you to buy something, and extracting your money to a ponzi scheme on a false promise.

Do you have a TV?
Do you go on holiday?
Do you buy one brand of cereal over another?

I think it's pretty telling that the only comeback BB had for my entire 30,000+ words of objections to their business model was a couple of quotes taken out of context where I call myself a scumbag.

Maybe if I'd called myself a 'God of the Internet who can make you rich via doing nothing', they'd have had less ammunition.

[Brenda]

http://imageshack.com/a/img902/4214/bAgXzV.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img743/7297/nV0kDW.jpg


Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Saint Chris is pondering the next dilema..............how to make you all go away while he tries to quietly slip out the back door!

Darn that darned internet (!)

[Brenda]

They do realise I was being sarcastic, right?

The entire capitalist world is built on selling things people don't need. There's a difference between convincing you to buy something, and extracting your money to a ponzi scheme on a false promise.

Do you have a TV?
Do you go on holiday?
Do you buy one brand of cereal over another?

I think it's pretty telling that the only comeback BB had for my entire 30,000+ words of objections to their business model was a couple of quotes taken out of context where I call myself a scumbag.

Maybe if I'd called myself a 'God of the Internet who can make you rich via doing nothing', they'd have had less ammunition.

Well, from my perspective, you asked the relevant questions, ones I wasn't experienced enough to ask
You argued your points intelligently with much more depth than I could have
You kept your head, better than I would have
You offered BB more chances to explain their processes, with more patience than I have

Most importantly, you recognised BB for what it is/was, a ponzi/pyramid scheme.

The real question is, by your imput and all of the above, how many potential victims money did you inadvertently save them as a result of their access to Finch Sells?

When I approached the Joe Duffy Show, it was indeed your website and RS links that I supplied for their reference. They did the show! So as a double whammy, who knows how many people were saved from the scourge that was BB either directly or indirectly through due diligence or awareness as a direct result of RS or FS?

[Jerrygo]

They do realise I was being sarcastic, right?

Maybe if I'd called myself a 'God of the Internet who can make you rich via doing nothing', they'd have had less ammunition.

Yes you should have said you were a world renown guru, who could double your money weekly. "Passive income for life" :duh:
The ponzi is dead, and they are casting around trying to shift the blame from themselves to others. Too late for that now.
The Canadian court will shine a light on this nest of crooks and scammers.
And despite all the evidence, there are still people clinging on to the hope that BB will arise from the dead.
And incredibly there will be losers who will follow their guru into "the next big thing" These sheep deserve to be perpetual victims.

[Brenda]

Yes you should have said you were a world renown guru, who could double your money weekly. "Passive income for life" :duh:
The ponzi is dead, and they are casting around trying to shift the blame from themselves to others. Too late for that now.
The Canadian court will shine a light on this nest of crooks and scammers.
And despite all the evidence, there are still people clinging on to the hope that BB will arise from the dead.
And incredibly there will be losers who will follow their guru into "the next big thing" These sheep deserve to be perpetual victims.

Only problem with your last sentence is that they never go alone, they take a new batch of victims with them every time they discover ' the next best thing''

Convictions are needed, proper convictions for all of these scammers, from Smith down to every recruiter who has taken money off anyone in the name of these schemes.

They are unlicensed unregulated investment intermediaries ( where one takes money from another on the promise of making money) by default. Where are IFSRA / FSA etc?

You can't even hold a raffle for charity in most jurisdictions without some sort of official approval!

[Whip]

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Saint Chris is pondering the next dilema..............how to make you all go away while he tries to quietly slip out the back door!

Darn that darned internet (!)

While all the early exit thieves like simon septic are crapping their pants now just wanting these people to stop making noise.

[HARRISON]

Julie Templeton at her finest: Ignorant and stupid! WRONG post!
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[Mundorf]

Not only ignorant and stupid -bloody far for being enough...I wouldn't even just say criminals,crooks,fraudsters,scammers...this creatures are a real MONSTERS ...once if they get someone,this poor is a roast potato ...however part of the whole tragedy is personal wrong of victims.

[Whip]

Julie Templeton at her finest: Ignorant and stupid! WRONG post!
8281

Isn't she the one with the fake big house loss, trying to get it back?

[Beacon]

Interview with Affiliate Marketing Lord Finch Sells (http://www.generationy.com/interview-finch-sells)

Q: "Hi Finch, tell us a little bit about yourself, where are you from, where do you live now?"

A: "Well, I’m a 24-year-old affiliate marketer, which I guess is interchangeable with Internet Scumbag. I make money through advertising and telling people they need products and services that they probably don’t."

That isnt a claim he is a scumbag trying to get traffic from you. It is a sarcastic comment on the profile of internet marketers. and no wionder with the likes of BB and other ponzis and other scams. If this is a real interview dont forget just a few lines later he mentions being sarcastic about this self image.

Q How do you deal with stereotypes from friends in regards to productivity when working from home? i.e.: Sleep until midday, 2 hour lunch breaks etc.

I find them pretty amusing. I play up to them.

Advertising could be looked upon creating a want for things we don't really need.

I don't think Mark Gobshite's suggestion is valid but we will never know since Gobshite didn't name Finch. I do know Finch Sells is up there with RealScam and Tara Talks as a place to go to find info on BB.

[Joe_Shmoe]

The classic "lets all write a letter/petition to the authorities to support [ insert name of scam here ] " always surfaces when a big scam goes down.
I would be interested to know who Alya wants to send such a thing to?

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[littleroundman]

The classic "lets all write a letter/petition to the authorities to support [ insert name of scam here ] " always surfaces when a big scam goes down.
I would be interested to know who Alya wants to send such a thing to?

It's probably better if they just send letters and not the tea bags or KoolAid that Andy Bowdoin/ASD supporters were urged to send the authorities back when ASD was in the same position.

[Mundorf]

The classic "lets all write a letter/petition to the authorities to support [ insert name of scam here ] " always surfaces when a big scam goes down.
I would be interested to know who Alya wants to send such a thing to?

8283

In fact..not bad idea... the authorities will have the names of some real criminals staying behind...go Alya...go.

[littleroundman]

Isn't she the one with the fake big house loss, trying to get it back?

http://imageshack.com/a/img540/4195/nUsCja.jpg

Julie Templeton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfOM8aDIOnA) does Banners Broker on YouTube

Methinks "You Tube users" might have been right, after all

[Brenda]

http://imageshack.com/a/img540/4195/nUsCja.jpg

Julie Templeton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfOM8aDIOnA) does Banners Broker on YouTube

Methinks "You Tube users" might have been right, after all


The more I read about Julie, the more I am convinced that indeed, she did reside in a 'big house'. A 'big house' with padded walls and where men in white coats serve medication with every meal, not a nice Chatineauneuf de Pape.

At the risk of giving her a defence, for one can not defend the indefensible, she is starting to read to me as a one whose lift ( elevator) does not quite go to the top! This level of anger, desperation and inability to absorb facts can not be normal?

Be careful Julie, you may be back in the 'big house' quicker than you had hoped, despite that Bank Manager not returning your calls :shocked:

[Mundorf]

http://imageshack.com/a/img540/4195/nUsCja.jpg

Julie Templeton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfOM8aDIOnA) does Banners Broker on YouTube

Methinks "You Tube users" might have been right, after all


Now imagine one of us would write just the same text,would you give a like ?..I would.

[littleroundman]

At the risk of giving her a defence, for one can not defend the indefensible, she is starting to read to me as a one whose lift ( elevator) does not quite go to the top! This level of anger, desperation and inability to absorb facts can not be normal?

I tend to look at it slightly differently.

The "MLM," "online marketing," "get-rich-quick" and "HYIP" worlds (particularly in America) are currently in the grip of a "The Secret" / "Robert Kiyosaki" / "Anthony Robbins" inspired "think positive in any circumstances" epidemic.

http://imageshack.com/a/img661/2161/a9zpwi.jpg

They live in a world where there is no room for logic or critical thinking.

A world where "being positive" can overcome anything.

A world where allowing even the slightest doubt in your mind condemns you to not getting "what you want"

There are people out there right now who are convinced they or others not "believing" hard enough caused the downfall of Banners Broker or they didn't understand the "principles" behind "believe and you can achieve" well enough

Here you go,

A battery has a positive and a negative pole.

Which is more important ??

Did you automatically think "positive"

http://imageshack.com/a/img905/635/sHeVaW.png

The fact is, without the negative, the positive is useless.

Without the negative, there would be a squillion "Secret / Kiyosaki / Robbins" believers out there next week "positive" they can climb Mount Everest in their underwear in the middle of winter or, more to point "positive" they can earn hundreds of thousands of dollars selling non existent "impressions" on non existent "blind networks" with little contribution other than clicking and sending off increasing amounts of their hard earned while simultaneously "believing" their little hearts out

HYIP ponzi fraudsters and get-rich-quick scammers know this only too well.

Spend some time reading the usual suspect HYIP ponzi forums and you'll be amazed how many times "The Secret" and "Kiyosaki" or "Rich Dad says.........." pop up and how many times the same key words and phrases pop up.

Once she became a "true believer" Julie and the (hundreds of) thousands of others like her never stood a chance

[Whip]

The classic "lets all write a letter/petition to the authorities to support [ insert name of scam here ] " always surfaces when a big scam goes down.
I would be interested to know who Alya wants to send such a thing to?

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Someone needs to tell her that sending liars money, and not getting any back, is not new and innovative. lol
If this scam were real, how could she know how it really works? All she knows is pay in money and wait to get some back.

[JackTolerance]

Oh, who could forget that classic now, eh?

*snarf snarf

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[JackTolerance]

https://vimeo.com/96352726

[Fat City, LA]

Oh, who could forget that classic now, eh?

*snarf snarf

8286 8287

What a fool. Start over from hiding or a jail cell?

It hadnt paid in a year and a half and Chris and crew were caught in lie after lie....
Has that been forgotten?

[EagleOne]

Mark Ghobril you are in a rare select group and you should be proud of yourself. In my ten years of exposing these Ponzi's/Scams, et al, I have only encountered a handful of people who could talk out of both sides of their mouth and arse all at the same time. You are truly unique by joining this group.

Your only problem is that you are sucking and kissing up to the wrong Chris Smith and you don't even know it.

[Beacon]

The classic "lets all write a letter/petition to the authorities to support [ insert name of scam here ] " always surfaces when a big scam goes down.
I would be interested to know who Alya wants to send such a thing to?

8283
The thing is there is the actual obvious facts and then there is what alva wants to believe are the facts

1. The "idea" of BB isn't NEW! It is a simple scam and the lads involved have being operating similar scams before. Nothing NEW at all!

2. While society may resist change it is preposterous to suggest that all new discoveries are rejected as "abnormal." The human genome was not rejected nor the Higgs Bozon ( which technically has not been repeated as an experiment). In fact Penzias and Wilson when they delivered their paper on the Cosmic Microwave background ad I believe ONE POINT on the tip of a proposed curve. But the audience sisnt reject it because they believed they had discovered the CMB frequency.

3. The idea BB pretend to be ( internet advertising) isn't new either!

4. BB is neither big nor great. It certainly isnt in the billions of dollars as they claimed. There are millions involved but these millions are not from adverts they are from people joining the ponzi! BB didnt get money from anywhere else other than dupes joining but Alva in spite of all the evidence does not seem to want to accept this. A Bit like Mulder in the X Files . He had a poster of a flying saucer on his wall with "I want to believe" written on it.

[Fat City, LA]

Mark Ghobril you are in a rare select group and you should be proud of yourself. In my ten years of exposing these Ponzi's/Scams, et al, I have only encountered a handful of people who could talk out of both sides of their mouth and arse all at the same time. You are truly unique by joining this group.

Your only problem is that you are sucking and kissing up to the wrong Chris Smith and you don't even know it.

When you think your opinion of him cant get any worse...he opens his mouth and sinks even lower.
Just so classless and a nickel and dime ponzi pimp.

[Della Cate]

LRM, you said:

Without the negative, there would be a squillion "Secret / Kiyosaki / Robbins" believers out there next week "positive" they can climb Mount Everest in their underwear in the middle of winter or, more to point "positive" they can earn hundreds of thousands of dollars selling non existent "impressions" on non existent "blind networks" with little contribution other than clicking and sending off increasing amounts of their hard earned while simultaneously "believing" their little hearts out

HYIP ponzi fraudsters and get-rich-quick scammers know this only too well.

Spend some time reading the usual suspect HYIP ponzi forums and you'll be amazed how many times "The Secret" and "Kiyosaki" or "Rich Dad says.........." pop up and how many times the same key words and phrases pop up.

That's interesting. I have noticed all these "positive thinking" cliches on many of our old chums FB pages - Little Jamie, the repulsive Stepsys, Hooker, etc. I did wonder where they were coming from, I also wondered (and still do) who on earth "Zig Ziglar" is, as he is another popular person amongst the HYIP and internet schemes crowd. Stepsys posts things like "Addicted to money!" and "Good morning money!" and "I love money", and one of his followers commented that these were "affirmations" designed to attract wealth.

In the words of a friend of mine, what a load of old tish-tosh!

However, does anyone else remember evangelical preachers and televangelists (like that chap Morris Cerullo?) in the 80's and 90's? Some of them peddled what they called a "prosperity gospel", that if you sent money to them, God would reward you by sending you heaps of money in return. Others claimed to heal people of their sickness. When, predictably, the money did not roll in or the person remained ill, they were told it was because they had not believed strongly enough, or hadn't sent enough money in to the preacher. It seems to me that what LRM quoted is just the same sort of thing, but with the religion taken out of it.

It is, of course, complete and utter bollo*ks, whoever peddles it, isn't it? If people only applied some common sense and reason, they would SEE it is rubbish. Fortunately for the people who sell this kind of thing, the world is filled with stupid people.

[Beacon]

That's interesting. I have noticed all these "positive thinking" cliches on many of our old chums FB pages - Little Jamie, the repulsive Stepsys, Hooker, etc. I did wonder where they were coming from, I also wondered (and still do) who on earth "Zig Ziglar" is, as he is another popular person amongst the HYIP and internet schemes crowd. Stepsys posts things like "Addicted to money!" and "Good morning money!" and "I love money", and one of his followers commented that these were "affirmations" designed to attract wealth.

In the words of a friend of mine, what a load of old tish-tosh!

However, does anyone else remember evangelical preachers and televangelists (like that chap Morris Cerullo?) in the 80's and 90's? Some of them peddled what they called a "prosperity gospel", that if you sent money to them, God would reward you by sending you heaps of money in return. Others claimed to heal people of their sickness. When, predictably, the money did not roll in or the person remained ill, they were told it was because they had not believed strongly enough, or hadn't sent enough money in to the preacher. It seems to me that what LRM quoted is just the same sort of thing, but with the religion taken out of it.

It is, of course, complete and utter bollo*ks, whoever peddles it, isn't it? If people only applied some common sense and reason, they would SEE it is rubbish. Fortunately for the people who sell this kind of thing, the world is filled with stupid people.

I'll agree 100% but I will defend Christianity here. A lot of these US fundamentalists are what I call "fringe Christianity" if Christian at all. The mainstream of Christianity is Roman Catholic, Orthodox ( Eastern) and Anglican Catholic you could add Lutheran//Methodist/Presbyterian as well but they are tiny compared to the other three together
Between them they represent about 90-95% of Christians. The US has about 50,000 other denominations representing about 5%.
Anyway central to the Roman/Orthodox Christianity is the idea of Reason and rationality.
Another element is the Authoritarian aspect of cults and fundamentalists. the worst aspects of the mainstream church in history are all associated with authoritarianism when the church overextended authority from faith and morals into worldly things.

One could say it isnt all "bollox." If the actual person asking for money has none themselves and gives away everything that have and everything they get then they are worthy of some praise and some people were like this in history. But their message was not "give so you can get cured" or "so you can by a place in heaven" but rather that worldly things (which are additional to those necessary to survive in a healthy way e.g. food medicine or shelter) limit our freedom.

In the case of Francis of Assisi he gave everything away. Sadly Chris Smith or Raj Dixit will have to have it prized from their cold dead hands however.

Now back to the "follower" mindset. One person I admire is James Randi who set up JREF and challenged all these faith healers and psychics and astrologers. One guy he exposed in 1986 was peter popoff
Peter Popoff - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Popoff)
Popoff declared bankruptcy in 1987.
But wait!
In 1998 The Washington Post reported that Popoff was making a recovery, and that "Popoff is seeking to jump-start his ministry by repackaging himself for an African American audience.
In February 2007, Inside Edition broadcast a feature on Popoff's continued faith healing and Miracle Spring Water. The show claimed that Popoff's new television programs feature him "healing the sick" in a manner identical to his method prior to James Randi's exposé.
"Debt cancellation is part of God's plan," according to Popoff. Popoff teaches that God will respond to prayer and seed-faith by providing financial blessing.
According to Ole Anthony of the Trinity Foundation, which has investigated Popoff and other televangelists since 1987, "Most of these guys are fooled by their own theology [...] He’s fundamentally evil. Because he knows he’s a con man."

According to James Randi in 1987, he took in almost $4 million per year.
In 2003, Popoff's ministry received over $9.6 million and by 2005 the amount had risen to over $23 million. In that year he and his wife were paid a combined total of nearly $1 million, while two of his children were receiving over $180,000 each
Popoff purchased a home in Bradbury, California, for $4.5 million in 2007. He drives a Porsche and a Mercedes-Benz.

[AshKen1]

So we still have a steady stream of visitors.

I take it these visitors are those who previously took everything that Messrs Smith, Anderson and so on as gospel.

You know you could be banned from BB if they know you've been here, don't you?

On the other hand, here and the excellent BB Ponzi Scam/Tara Talks pages on Facebook are the ones who actually speak the truth.

I'd say you were caught between the devil and the deep blue sea.

Oh yes, that you have finally woken up to the fact that you have been conned.

Are you mad yet? You should be. You really should.

File your papers as a creditor now, but only for the money you put in. Don't wait. BB isn't coming back.

[ribshaw]

That's interesting. I have noticed all these "positive thinking" cliches on many of our old chums FB pages - ----and one of his followers commented that these were "affirmations" designed to attract wealth.

That Tony Robbins - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Robbins) allegedly cheated on his first wife his first wife 10 years his senior before divorcing her and marrying a woman 10 years his junior should come as no surprise.

The shocker is people willingly paying for Amazon.com: Ultimate Relationship Program: Anthony Robbins: Movies & TV (http://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Relationship-Program-Anthony-Robbins/dp/B001320RTS) from the same guy.

Life is a little more complex than putting a smiley sticker on our bathroom mirrors. If the world's foremost self help guru can't keep his **** together with happy talk what hope exists for us mere mortals?




Others claimed to heal people of their sickness. When, predictably, the money did not roll in or the person remained ill, they were told it was because they had not believed strongly enough, or hadn't sent enough money in to the preacher.

This sets people up for the perfect con. When things fail they turn around and fault themselves, or with Banners Broke they blame the "negative" bloggers. No matter what comes to light with their favorite guru, some will always believe and toss more money down the crapper. Worst case scenario the seer gets caught, feigns some sorrow, creates a redemption tale, and the fleecing will continue.

When people are waving the flag, the bible, or selling sunshine in one hand, I always worry they are reaching for my wallet with the other. Although, on a POSITIVE note as long as one hand is occupied they can't flat out mug me.

There is No Secret: The Myth of the Law of Attraction (http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2007/05/06/there-is-no-secret-the-myth-of-the-law-of-attraction/)

[Della Cate]

Meanwhile, over on his FB page, Little Jamie is giving advice.

On investment? Nah. On network marketing? Er, no. On having a strong work ethic? Fraid not. On the demise of Banners Broker? Forget that!

Yep. Little Jamie is advising people to buy a high quality toilet brush. (Costs between £18 and £25 depending on where you shop. But hey, to Little Jamie, it's classy. To me......it's a bog brush. Maybe I should get with this power of positive thinking thing?)

8298

Appropriate really, when you think of some of the sh*t schemes he pushes!

[laidback]

Meanwhile, over on his FB page, Little Jamie is giving advice.

On investment? Nah. On network marketing? Er, no. On having a strong work ethic? Fraid not. On the demise of Banners Broker? Forget that!

Yep. Little Jamie is advising people to buy a high quality toilet brush. (Costs between £18 and £25 depending on where you shop. But hey, to Little Jamie, it's classy. To me......it's a bog brush. Maybe I should get with this power of positive thinking thing?)

8298

Appropriate really, when you think of some of the sh*t schemes he pushes!Ya suppose crap looks better on his $25 toilet brush than it does on a $1.99 special? Just askin'!

[littleroundman]

Yep. Little Jamie is advising people to buy a high quality toilet brush.

I guess that makes it official, then.

Jamie Waters' future as a marketer really is "down the toilet"

[Brenda]

Ya suppose crap looks better on his $25 toilet brush than it does on a $1.99 special? Just askin'!

' go for the best in everything and your life will be more fulfilled' Selling toilet brushes lol. Fulfillment is having a discounted toilet brush !

Jamie needs a job.

[laidback]

' go for the best in everything and your life will be more fulfilled' Selling toilet brushes lol. Fulfillment is having a discounted toilet brush !

Jamie needs a job.Happiness is a warm toilet seat!

[ribshaw]

Jamie Waters far be it from me to give unsolicited advice to strangers, BUT I see it more likely that you will be picking up soap for the next 20 years than scrubbing toilets. Although both warrant a high probability in decision making. Thing is, your back goes long before your hands, perhaps the next time mommy gives you allowance you consider this fine product.

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Elsewhere in scamland Alan Shills rhetoric has turned dare I say rather negative. He had better damn well pray that Banners Broker does not come back online and shut down his account for questioning Chris Smith. He still doesn't honestly KNOW????? Why the hell is he giving people advice????? Why did everyone turn to this guy for information on how grand Banners Broker WAS??????

Does anyone believe that Jamie who allegedly just lost $1,000,000 would be talking toilet brushes and Alan who just lost $300,000 would be blogging about bats in his trailer?

8301

Seriously, after you little tattle-tails report Alan Sills for being such a negative asshole, you need get with the receiver and law enforcement.

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[Della Cate]

' go for the best in everything and your life will be more fulfilled' Selling toilet brushes lol. Fulfillment is having a discounted toilet brush !

Jamie needs a job.

Agreed, but would YOU employ him? I know I wouldn't!

Like a lot of these people, he needs a good dose of reality. Still, now he has his new bog brush, I suppose he could go as a lavatory attendant.

(No insult meant to lavatory attendants, who do a useful and necessary job, unlike Little Jamie)

[littleroundman]

Next the sheeple will be raising money for Chris' legal defense - If authorities can find him.

Shouldn't be too hard, really

http://imageshack.com/a/img742/1407/EA8y3e.jpg

All that is needed is a bit of political will on the part of the Canadian authorities

[littleroundman]

And, if he tries to make a run for it, well then:

http://imageshack.com/a/img540/9558/QCbUXO.jpg

[Char]

Wow, LRM. Good find.

Looks like his driver's license expired two weeks ago August 28, 2014. Think he'll be applying for a new one anytime soon?

[littleroundman]

Ever wondered why some of the "usual suspects" were so vocal supporting Banners Broker, even when it "wasn't paying" ??

Check out some of these figures:

http://imageshack.com/a/img912/4799/X2iAiG.jpg

[Whip]

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Let's be honest, every day he's anywhere, there's a rabies scare.

[Whip]

Interesting banners broker had numerous websites but did everything through gmail and not the sites' own email accounts.

[Whip]

And, I still, in 2+ years, have yet to see a cookie from banners broker on any website I have visited. I don't auto accept third party cookies so I would have to see it to accept or block. With all their 'ads' out there (lmao.....damn I crack myself up), I should have encountered at least one.........

[Mr. Anderson]

How coincidental is it he has the same name as the now deceased Indian social activist Rajiv Dixit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajiv_Dixit)
...just like Ron "The Rug" Anderson is also the name of a singer, a musician, and a famous basketball player. And Terry Stern (BB's infamous President of PR) is indeed a freemason, but in Australia and not in Ontario.

Always handy to borrow someone else's name, so you don't show up in the search results that prominently.

[Arthur Foxache]

Some useful information at https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gldx2vnxkk8qxww/AAB4hi4TGTx8iT0lycihPZdda

[hendyphilhendy]

Some useful information at https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gldx2vnxkk8qxww/AAB4hi4TGTx8iT0lycihPZdda

Wow some really insightful stuff. I wonder if Chris' phone will be busy in the next couple of weeks!!!

[hendyphilhendy]

Also some new names in the mix? Any of these familiar to the regular scambusters?

[Eponymous]

Hopefully no-one will be childish enough to sign simonstepsys@me.com up to various dodgy email lists.

[Brenda]

Some useful information at https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gldx2vnxkk8qxww/AAB4hi4TGTx8iT0lycihPZdda

Apart from Smith, all others mentioned are Australian? The proof of addresses all seem to have gone through payza if you look at the bottoms of the pages. Who are these people and were they all part of the BB heirarchy? R Grbavac has a nice little history of promoting get rich schemes, her very telling bank account tells the real truth though! Needless to add, doesn't appear to have a steady income from one of those things called 'a job' either.

[Whip]

so......who thinks 'smith' is out selling every person's ID he gathered in order to be able to move around now?

[Della Cate]

Over on the BB FB page, hope springs eternal..........Only Mr Nelson seems to have a grasp of the situation.

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[ribshaw]

so......who thinks 'smith' is out selling every person's ID he gathered in order to be able to move around now?

Affiliates should most def bring this up on Friday's conference call. I believe Chris has just been away a few days looking for a new ISP that can handle all the ads being brokered. If you folks don't stop yuckking it up over here I am going to report you all for T&C violations.

Chris has a lot on his plate right now with all the greedy people who conspired with the government to liquidate BB and steal our money and dreams.

Shame Shame Shame.

========================================

We all know that Banners Broker is going to come back stronger than ever. But having your ID stolen seems inevitable these days, not some pie in the sky assertion that Banners Broker may have been a Ponzi scheme. With that in mind it is worth considering doing a credit freeze which prevents people from opening credit in your name.

Extended Fraud Alerts and Credit Freezes | Consumer Information (http://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0279-extended-fraud-alerts-and-credit-freezes)

IF I was involved in an actual SCAM, like Social Security, I would file a police report and do an extended fraud alert on my credit files and ask for an ID protection code from the IRS:
Indications your identity may have been stolen and how to report it to us (http://www.irs.gov/uac/Indications-your-identity-may-have-been-stolen-and-how-to-report-it-to-us)

But then I am not given to hyperbole, probably just Chris looking for a new vendor to host conference calls.

[littleroundman]

Apart from Smith, all others mentioned are Australian? The proof of addresses all seem to have gone through payza if you look at the bottoms of the pages. Who are these people and were they all part of the BB heirarchy? R Grbavac has a nice little history of promoting get rich schemes, her very telling bank account tells the real truth though! Needless to add, doesn't appear to have a steady income from one of those things called 'a job' either.

Mary Bosveld is an old friend of REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com)

She features twice in the Banners Broker shills, where are they now ? (http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-shills-where-they-now-2922/) thread, HERE (http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-shills-where-they-now-2922-post65534/?highlight=mary+bosveld#post65534) and HERE


Remember Mary Bosveld, self proclaimed "SuperGranny" and long time Banners Broker shill from Tasmania ??


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xmnyup_www-banners-broker-pros-com_lifestyle

[littleroundman]

Mary Bosveld is continuing to promote Banners Broker, ignoring the fact members haven't been paid for upward of 12 months.

Mary is now promoting the Mandura "Health Beverage" and weight control MLM company.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XRzU1TZAhT4
.................................................. ..............................

[littleroundman]

Shane Budge featured in the Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam (http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-897/index429.html#post60429) thread


Shane Budge Founding Member Australia / Asia | Banners Broker Team
Shane is based in Brisbane, Australia and has been marketing online for over two years. Shane is an Online Marketer and Trainer and has a degree in Marketing and Information Technology.

He has been providing business owners strategies to become digital entrepreneurs in a digital world.

Shane believes that by implementing strategies that leverage the power of the internet, anyone can build a business online and create revenue using the right strategies and the right system

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/2537/7ue5.jpg

Shane Budges' Shane-Budge page on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Shane-Budge/165356770190398)

as well as alongside fellow Banners Broker Australia member Mary Bosveld in THIS (http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-897/index459.html#post64230) post


And now for todays' episode of "Banners Broker - where are they now"

Banners Broker Superstars team 2012 (http://bannersbrokers.info/banners-broker-team.html)

http://imageshack.us/a/img194/8466/wv18.jpg

Mary Bosveld The Supergranny page on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/thesupergranny)

http://imageshack.us/a/img12/5694/rpu8.jpg

WHOOPS, no Banners Broker there

Shane Budge on LinkedIn (http://au.linkedin.com/pub/shane-budge/1a/648/937)

http://imageshack.us/a/img850/4057/tw3z.jpg

Must be a momentary brain fade, Shane forgot to include Banners Broker in his profile

http://imageshack.us/a/img534/2315/gyar.jpg

WOW !! someone stole his video and he went from Banners Broker millionaire to not one mention of Banners Broker on his Jens Holvoet blog (http://jensholvoet.com/) at all

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/3898/pu22.jpg

[littleroundman]

Mary Bosvelds' fellow Taswegian, Dr Diana Hodgson:

http://imageshack.com/a/img912/5770/69d8x7.jpg

The Diana Hodgson (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000961215513&fref=ufi) page on Facebook

http://imageshack.com/a/img540/5428/eqc2vX.jpg

Diana Hodgsons' dr-diana-hodgson (http://au.linkedin.com/pub/dr-diana-hodgson/11/2a4/202) profile page on LinkedIn

[littleroundman]

John Schirripa is your stereotypical "network marketer"

http://imageshack.com/a/img743/1159/eXgWZa.jpg

John Schirripa @kruzer069 (ttps://twitter.com/kruzer069) on Twitter

http://imageshack.com/a/img538/5957/dMpisy.jpg

John Schirripas' kruzer (http://50.28.27.215/members/kruzer) guest membership page on BetterNetworker.com

[EagleOne]

SuperGranny, Marry Bosveld, got all bent out of shape that she was featured here at RS, and demanded her info be taken down or she would sue. Of course we all knew she was blowing smoke and hot air, but it was entertaining. As suddenly as she appeared, she disappeared from posting here. I guess she couldn't handle all the "negativity" about her beloved BB.

[JackTolerance]

Once again, I was merely trying to help but I guess some people just don't like it ^^

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Btw Ann, there's plenty of pictures of me on my FB profile. You just have to be a friend to see them.

And that certainly ain't happening now you've blocked me by the looks of things lol

Ask nicely and I might send you one :pimp:

[JackTolerance]

Over on the BB FB page, hope springs eternal..........Only Mr Nelson seems to have a grasp of the situation.

8306

That's because one messaged Mr Nelson on Tuesday and told him the score, along with a few more random commentators who I thought might be genuinely interested/open to hearing the truth for once.

For every one person who listens and/or is at least polite enough to respond without being abusive, I get 6 or 7 Ann Hardmans who are :RpS_flapper:

[Della Cate]

I do wonder about people sometimes.

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[Whip]

lol. must not be very reliable if it's such a big secret.

[Della Cate]

Anyone remember this?

A (MLM) Skeptic: Scam Absurdities: Ian Driscoll of BannersBroker ponzi now pushing FlexKom. Leopard Still Can't Change His Spots. (http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/scam-absurdities-ian-driscoll-of.html)

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It makes me unconfortable to think that he may get money out of BB. I'm not sorry that BB has crashed and burned mind you. But I hope that Mr Driscoll does not get a penny, given how hard he pushed it in the first place.

[Fat City, LA]

With Driscoll, when BB is "officially" found by authorities to be a ponzi/scam. Can he get more than the $ he put in minus profits?

On the micro level.
We know the good ponzi pimps enter programs early, compound for just a few months, then take their $ and dont look back.
Ive seen many who were pimping BB in 2012,(left way before it stopped paying) bragging they got their seed $ back via chargebacks.

[Whip]

With Driscoll, when BB is "officially" found by authorities to be a ponzi/scam. Can he get more than the $ he put in minus profits?


no. if he put anything in at all to begin with. He will look like the fool he is.

[Beacon]

no. if he put anything in at all to begin with. He will look like the fool he is.

From a cursory read of Driscolls submission he is claiming 3 million on the basis he is owed 10% as a commission. So where is his evidence he got 30 million in subscriptions into BB?

[Beacon]

From a cursory read of Driscolls submission he is claiming 3 million on the basis he is owed 10% as a commission. So where is his evidence he got 30 million in subscriptions into BB?

http://www.spergel.ca/corporate/resources/banners/Factum%20of%20the%20Applicants%20dated%20August%20 19%202014%20-%20Recogntion%20of%20Foreign%20M.pdf

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Driscoll is a resident of WestYorkshire,UnitedKingdom and a specialistinonlinemarketingandadvertising.Driscoll isaformerindependentcontractorofBBILpursuanttoanAf filiateAgreement,datedMarch4,2011("AffiliteAgreement"),andanIndependentContractorAgreement,datedJune1,2 012("IndependentContractorAgreement"andtogetherwiththeAffiliateAgreemnt,the"DriscollAgreements").TheDriscollAgreementsprovidethatDriscollwastoper formcertaincustomerservice,orderprocessing,salesan dsalessupporfnctionsforBBILintheUnitedKingdom in exchange for a percentage share of total sales as set out in the Independent Contractor Agreement.


we also have http://www.spergel.ca/corporate/resources/banners/Volume%201%20part%202%20of%203.pdf
scroll down to page 17 which begins Driscolls reference to page 19 wher it says:


[19]
Clause 5 b, of the ICA goes on to set out a sliding scale of percentage-based paymentst~ the Claimant, as independent contractor:-"Such compensation shall become due and payable to [the Claimant] in the fallowing timeand manner listed below.
• 5% of sales total volume For area specified
• 7% of sales total volume for area specified once sales volume reaches $100k per month
•
8% of sales total volume for area specified once sales volume reaches $100k for twoconsecutive months•
9% of sales toCal volume for area specified once sales volume reaches $100k for threeconsecutive months
• 10% of sales total volume for area specified once sales volume reaches $100k for threeconsecutive months [sic]"

actually IM WRONG!
the above is a "unquantifable loss"
He also has a 4% intrest on everyhing claim and a "quantifiable loss" detailed on page 21 of the above
This is based on the "panels" earning in his "Affiliate agreement" page 21 in volume 1 part 2 of 3


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SUMMARY OF "PRESENTLY QUANTIFIABLE LOSS"[33] The Claimant's presently quanti~iabie lass (as at 26t" December 2012) comprises:-(a) Under the Affiliate Agreement{1) Sum in °e-Wallet" [see Nate 1, beinw] $609,926.10(2) Payment requests made prior to locking of account (unpaid) CNate 2J $260,000(3) Traffic' value [Note 3] $1,440,004{4) 'Panel' value [Note 4] $360,090{5) Replacement panel [Note 5] $360,090TOTAL: $3, 030,106.10(such sum being expressed ir► US $ to reflect the parties' practice; and khe prevailing exchange rate as at 15t" 3uly 2013 valuing such sum at £2,007,01.66)153("presently quantifiable loss")

the thing is the agreement sent by driscol on page 137 of part 1
http://www.spergel.ca/corporate/resources/banners/Volume%201%20part%201%20of%203.pdf

mentions nothing about how "panels" work or make money! It would be great for him to come into court and explain how his "panels" earned money and how the figures on peoples screens actually represented advertising sold to others as he claimed in various recruiting and publicity events. He claimed top be knkowledgable of these things when he prompted BB. He cant rely on the excuse of "well thats how I thought it worked" because he claimed to be an expert who actually knows how the system works.

In reality he is an expert because he knows how a ponzi fraud scam works and he knows that there is nothing at all to support the idea that "panels" actually represented advertising revenue and as the boss of the UK and Ireland he could not show how money was coming from anywhere other than later subscribers. Thats not just 51% of money but practcally ALL the money that came from later joiners of the scheme.

Ignorance of this is impossible for Driscoll but even if he pleads ignorance that does not excuse his culpability. It certainly dismisses ANY grounds he has to claim any money from BB.

[kiwichick]

Wow, LRM. Good find.

Looks like his driver's license expired two weeks ago August 28, 2014. Think he'll be applying for a new one anytime soon?

His birthday too

[Mundorf]

The Day after:

Chris : I changed my mind..I really changed my mind...I want you to know something right now....it was not easy but I did it...yes I must admit ,BB was a ponzi monster and you were cheated all the time and I personally organized the whole crime.

Followers : Chris,we know you were forced to lie,we know you were tortured by this evil detectives to speak like now but do not worry,we know what you did for us and still doing.

Chris : No..no...you do not get it..I really mean it..I robbed all of you,scammed and used your money to pay some fools..I am crook for God sake


Followers : Chris we feel your sweet heart and sensible soul but it's our fault - we were greedy and always asked for payments.We know how shocked you are from all the injustice you are disposed .We are like never before sure in brilliant future so just say what must be done and we shall start right now

Chris : wwwwwwhat ?..are you serious?..are you aware that because of my crime some people made suicide ?


Followers : Chris ,we know how honest you are and we do admire your conscience but to feel bad for some idiot who was not happy with his wife or friends and made suicide, is,in this difficult moment for you and your health ,really not important...let be the one..give us a sign and we shall do it...


Chris : ...hm..well then...if you want so...then invest right now 10 mill. $ in BB please.


Followers : ...no Chris..we shall pay all the sum on your private account so that trolls see the power of positivity and endless trust

[Char]

Paul Anthony Weeks look forward to q&a friday 12/9
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Yes, It will be most interesting. I wonder if they will announce the new payment processor and reassure people the panels have been moving while the site has been down.

[Beacon]

The Day after:

Chris : I changed my mind..I really changed my mind...I want you to know something right now....it was not easy but I did it...yes I must admit ,BB was a ponzi monster and you were cheated all the time and I personally organized the whole crime.

Followers : Chris,we know you were forced to lie,we know you were tortured by this evil detectives to speak like now but do not worry,we know what you did for us and still doing.

Chris : No..no...you do not get it..I really mean it..I robbed all of you,scammed and used your money to pay some fools..I am crook for God sake


Followers : Chris we feel your sweet heart and sensible soul but it's our fault - we were greedy and always asked for payments.We know how shocked you are from all the injustice you are disposed .We are like never before sure in brilliant future so just say what must be done and we shall start right now

Chris : wwwwwwhat ?..are you serious?..are you aware that because of my crime some people made suicide ?


Followers : Chris ,we know how honest you are and we do admire your conscience but to feel bad for some idiot who was not happy with his wife or friends and made suicide, is,in this difficult moment for you and your health ,really not important...let be the one..give us a sign and we shall do it...


Chris : ...hm..well then...if you want so...then invest right now 10 mill. $ in BB please.


Followers : ...no Chris..we shall pay all the sum on your private account so that trolls see the power of positivity and endless trust

Reminds me of the following except Brian was honest




Brian: Look, you've got it all wrong! You don't need to follow me. You don't need to follow anybody! You've got to think for yourselves! You're all individuals!
Crowd: [in unison] Yes! We're all individuals!
Brian: You're all different!
Crowd: [in unison] Yes, we are all different!
Man in crowd: I'm not...
Crowd: Shhh!

or




Brian: ...Will you please listen? I'm not the Messiah! Do you understand? Honestly!
Woman: Only the true Messiah denies his divinity!
Brian: What? Well, what sort of chance does that give me? All right, I am the Messiah!
Crowd: He is! He is the Messiah!
Brian: Now, **** off!
[Silence]
Arthur: How shall we **** off, oh Lord?
Brian: Oh, just go away! Leave me alone!

[Whip]

Paul Anthony Weeks look forward to q&a friday 12/9
Like · Reply · 1 · Yesterday at 06:23


Yes, It will be most interesting. I wonder if they will announce the new payment processor and reassure people the panels have been moving while the site has been down.

can't wait to see the excuses when this doesn't happen.

[Beacon]

Ehe transaction history of paybannersbrokers file gives a great anatomy of a ponzi.

Little coming in and out and a little siphoned off
Then as money comes in the payments get more plentiful and bigger

Other than the regular siphoning of $1000 the payments are of three/five people and of less than $100

then as the cash comes in payments go up to the region of $500

Oddly Elke Wazman is an early gainer but Van Neste isnt.

Raj dixit features but takes only a trickle out . Ironically Sharon Black is taking out thousands ~she might be a cover for Raj given her kibotec address.

then the $10,000 payments start

4,566 transactions of 149,525 are above $1,000
106 above $10,000
2 above 50,000
and one for $400,000
The 400k is a deposit

But one 50,000 payment is to out mate the pointer Simon stepsys on 16 Oct 2012

Stepsys then lodged 46,050 on 30th Oct

But he had got another $29,695 on 30 august
84k went to Jens Holvoet in Belgium

And an other 12k to him on 19th feb 2013
and 11k in Nov 2012
Thats over 100k

[nomaxim]

Just a minor notation.

While I have been following this thread for a bit, and I personally have no interest in the topic. I would recommend proper citations of source information. The last few posts have no links to the sources from which the information came.

Without sources (ie. links) IMO the information is suspect, perhaps even invalid.

The basic idea is to provide your source so that others may read it directly. Said, others, may read (interpret) the information differently and therefore come to a different conclusion from yours.

This, of course, will lead to discussion (debate) of the subject matter.

Granted that this topic (BB) is pretty much closed. But, that is no reason not to link to your source.

[littleroundman]

Just a minor notation.

While I have been following this thread for a bit, and I personally have no interest in the topic. I would recommend proper citations of source information. The last few posts have no links to the sources from which the information came.

Without sources (ie. links) IMO the information is suspect, perhaps even invalid.

The basic idea is to provide your source so that others may read it directly. Said, others, may read (interpret) the information differently and therefore come to a different conclusion from yours.

This, of course, will lead to discussion (debate) of the subject matter.

Granted that this topic (BB) is pretty much closed. But, that is no reason not to link to your source.

The source of the documents was given earlier in the thread: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gldx2vnxkk8qxww/AAB4hi4TGTx8iT0lycihPZdda (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gldx2vnxkk8qxww/AAB4hi4TGTx8iT0lycihPZdda)

[Beacon]

The source of the documents was given earlier in the thread: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gldx2vnxkk8qxww/AAB4hi4TGTx8iT0lycihPZdda (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gldx2vnxkk8qxww/AAB4hi4TGTx8iT0lycihPZdda)

and the file in that source is an Excel file called "transaction history of paybannersbrokers"

[Beacon]

Without sources (ie. links) IMO the information is suspect, perhaps even invalid.


So do you consider it valid and reliable?


The basic idea is to provide your source so that others may read it directly.

I actually do understand the concept of citation but thanks for pointing it out.


others, may read (interpret) the information differently and therefore come to a different conclusion from yours.


So have you come to a different conclusion or do you have a different interpretation to mine?


This, of course, will lead to discussion (debate) of the subject matter.


Great. Im all for that. What errors do you find in my reasoning.


Granted that this topic (BB) is pretty much closed. But, that is no reason not to link to your source.

BB was always "closed" in the sense that only a few controlled it. But the discussion about many of the scammers involved are far from closed. The liquidators are only beginning their investigation.
Banners Broker International Limited (BBIL) - Client Home (http://dm.epiq11.com/BBB/Project)
Click on "status of the liquidation"
There are nine stages
They have completed the first three
Four five and six are ongoing
Seven eight and nine haven't begun.

[D. I. S. Gruntled]

http://imageshack.com/a/img540/4195/nUsCja.jpg

Julie Templeton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfOM8aDIOnA) does Banners Broker on YouTube

Methinks "You Tube users" might have been right, after all


Julie has now removed her own video.
The one from Brian Manchester is still there though. I wonder if he will be homeless when the BB administrators claw his profits back?

How BannersBroker Saved My Life !! - YouTube (http://youtu.be/KesT1ehqiw0?list=LLuL16GP1-kFZLCW4YLHpUkw)

[littleroundman]

The one from Brian Manchester is still there though. I wonder if he will be homeless when the BB administrators claw his profits back?

How BannersBroker Saved My Life !! - YouTube (http://youtu.be/KesT1ehqiw0?list=LLuL16GP1-kFZLCW4YLHpUkw)

And it has been saved for posterity, as well.

Not that I'm suggesting anyone would try to remove any evidence, of course.

[AshKen1]

Afternoon everyone. Small point that I'd like to bring to the attention of all the visitors looking for information relating to Banners Brokers.

Just below this you will see a cropped photo of a bank statement that belonged to BB. You will notice that it consists of wire transfers - both coming in and going out.

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[This isn't the complete statement by the way, you can find that here:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gldx2vnxkk8qxww/AAB4hi4TGTx8iT0lycihPZdda (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gldx2vnxkk8qxww/AAB4hi4TGTx8iT0lycihPZdda)

It's the one marked "Bank statement paybannersbroker" and it will download an Adobe file if you click yes. It's only a page long but it is very interesting reading]

Chris Smith all along insisted that any "affiliate" had to use payment processors to put money into BB and to take money out. You even got charge a fee for doing this....

Chris Smith stated that it was impossible for BB to use wire transfers to pay money as it was "too complicated" and "wouldn't work" (or words to that effect)

BUT... if you look at the statement, it's full of wire transfers...... So Chris Smith is one big fat liar....

Think about it... he couldn't use wire transfers for your money.... but he could for himself and his friends - you know, the ones who recruited you and took your money.... the ones who are hiding away now afraid that you will look for them

Another exposure of BB being a ponzi.


Are you angry yet?

[Whip]

Afternoon everyone. Small point that I'd like to bring to the attention of all the visitors looking for information relating to Banners Brokers.

Just below this you will see a cropped photo of a bank statement that belonged to BB. You will notice that it consists of wire transfers - both coming in and going out.

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[This isn't the complete statement by the way, you can find that here:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gldx2vnxkk8qxww/AAB4hi4TGTx8iT0lycihPZdda (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/gldx2vnxkk8qxww/AAB4hi4TGTx8iT0lycihPZdda)

It's the one marked "Bank statement paybannersbroker" and it will download an Adobe file if you click yes. It's only a page long but it is very interesting reading]

Chris Smith all along insisted that any "affiliate" had to use payment processors to put money into BB and to take money out. You even got charge a fee for doing this....

Chris Smith stated that it was impossible for BB to use wire transfers to pay money as it was "too complicated" and "wouldn't work" (or words to that effect)

BUT... if you look at the statement, it's full of wire transfers...... So Chris Smith is one big fat liar....

Think about it... he couldn't use wire transfers for your money.... but he could for himself and his friends - you know, the ones who recruited you and took your money.... the ones who are hiding away now afraid that you will look for them

Another exposure of BB being a ponzi.


Are you angry yet?




And. of course, was pointed out here looooooooooong ago. Who was right? Liar 'smith' and those who all had their hand out or places like this and Tara's blog that asked for nothing? Worried about who your identification materials that you foolishly sent in are getting sold to yet?

[AshKen1]

And. of course, was pointed out here looooooooooong ago. Who was right? Liar 'smith' and those who all had their hand out or places like this and Tara's blog that asked for nothing? Worried about who your identification materials that you foolishly sent in are getting sold to yet?

Whip: it's funny that, isn't it? All us nay-sayers sitting here being "negative" all this time. Bringing down a company that was real... yeah right...

I can't remember the last time we saw anyone turn up here being "positive" about BB and defending it. Month ago. Could even be a year or so. Remember David what's-his-name? The one who got really cross when we weren't nice to him?

So Chris Smith lied about being unable to transfer money over to you as affiliates. He had it all this time.

He hasn't got it now though... so where is the money that the affiliates handed over so readily?

I'd check the pockets of your up-line... and those above them... Someone somewhere, has withdrawn* the money.

YOUR money.

Are you angry yet? You should be.

Have a nice day y'all

:RpS_wink:


*I do hope you haven't spent it, if you did, claw-backs can be soooooo painful.

[Char]

[B]Whip: it's funny that, isn't it? All us nay-sayers sitting here being "negative" all this time. Bringing down a company that was real... yeah right...
]

You forgot to mention we were jealous too.

What I would love to know is, how many people read the BB thread here, thought we were just "nay-sayers" and gave them their money anyway? Not that I expect anyone to admit it.

[Della Cate]

"Always look on the bright side of life (de do, de doody doody do)"

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[NikSam]

Oh those silly geese, there is a biggest surprise for them coming soon ;)

That is why it's been so quiet, nobody wanted to ruin it.

[EagleOne]

Can someone tell me what is "bathed breath?" I am sure it was a misspelling/typo, but it was funny.

[Eponymous]

Paul Anthony Weeks look forward to q&a friday 12/9
Like · Reply · 1 · Yesterday at 06:23


Yes, It will be most interesting. I wonder if they will announce the new payment processor and reassure people the panels have been moving while the site has been down.
What news on the scaminar? New payment processor yet?

[Whip]

Can someone tell me what is "bathed breath?" I am sure it was a misspelling/typo, but it was funny.

very clean?

[Eponymous]

I hear that the only "payment processor" in the near future is the liquidator. And he ain't feeling too generous.

[ribshaw]

and one for $400,000
The 400k is a deposit

But one 50,000 payment is to out mate the pointer Simon stepsys on 16 Oct 2012

Stepsys then lodged 46,050 on 30th Oct

But he had got another $29,695 on 30 august

I find it really strange there would be only one deposit for $400,000. That does not come anywhere close to jibing with the earnings that some people were claiming. Even if this was a weekly run, that would not make much sense. I would say normally there could be more than one bank account, YET those accounts would have to link with the affiliates back offices. Otherwise as panels capped how would the accounts balance? Or are we back to a computer genius not even being able to run quick books?

================================================== ===

If memory serves there were some pictures of Simon da Rat holding some big checks like this one...

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Has anyone happened to encounter any withdraws that match any of the alleged checks? If not were they just for show, or was Simon paid on a different system than affiliates? I for one find it unlikely that he moved from Banners Broker to Empower and INSTANTLY had the same result. Then on to MAP and bingo top banana.

Affiliates, while you have some time on your hands waiting for Chris to do whatever it is he is doing could one of you dig through some of the documents? See what you can find out about how some of your leaders were paid. I am not saying fraud just yet, but where there is fraud often the people committing the fraud don't have the same accounting system for their pockets as yours.

Would love to see a few of you join in the discussion here.

[Jerrygo]

Good points you raise Ribshaw. I think there will be other bank accounts yet to be uncovered. including Smith's syphon off accounts.
If I remember correctly, Stepsys was also selling panels directly to affiliates for cash. Possibly others doing the same.
I'm sure there are more nefarious details yet to be discovered by the liquidators.
I have not heard mention of Iain Sherriff, I am sure he was not recruiting and doing all that policing and banning on talkingbb, bbfb etc for nothing.
Various tax authorities might be interested to learn of these developments.
Does anyone believe Stepsys, Supergranny etc have declared their ill gotten gains?

[NikSam]

First of all that spreadsheet is only for Payza, while people could withdraw to other processors and to debit card.
And second thing it is only for paybannersbroker@gmail.com account, but BB used multiple others,
I can confirm that as some people used Payza with BB, but their transactions not in there.

[ribshaw]

I think there will be other bank accounts yet to be uncovered. including Smith's syphon off accounts.

That would explain not so coincidentally why people like Simon have long since moved on. Who just up and walks away from a $1,000,000 a legitimate ad brokering business with nary a peep? He was paid something to bring in cash, nothing more. As Nik mentioned, there were several methods of getting money out, so I am sure the higher ups got theirs in 2012. The next year and a half has been one big brush off, were it not for the liquidation they may have pulled it off.

The best case for affiliates is for as many of these accounts to come to light as possible if they hope to see even a pittance of their initial investment.

What bothers me the most at this point is not the ungratefulness of the Banners Broker affiliates, it is that they still ask such poor questions. Tells me they are ripe for the next "this one will get you back to even" fraud. They could go back to page 1 and start reading to see if maybe they missed something. Follow the links to Finch, Tara, and the interview with Terry Stern. They could hit http://www.realscam.com/f8/flexkom-aka-flexcom-legitimate-mlm-scam-1862/ and see what a train wreck that has become.

The whole concept of brokering ads via some sort of affiliate network made no sense to me then or now. The patchwork of alleged spreadsheets and accounting "mishaps" seemed even less plausible. Especially with all the information people have put up recently like no expenses coming from the account. If affiliates don't get it now, or want to expand their horizons, some of these people will never believe they were scammed.

[Della Cate]

Over on the BB FB page, some brave and hopeful soul declared that BB would be back at "12.00am GMT" today.

If by 12.00am he meant midday today - er, no, it hasn't happened. Ooops.
If he meant midnight, well, an hour and a half to go!

I know it is very exciting but I cannot wait up to see if it happens.

Somehow, I just don't think it will. Sorry, but the signs are not good!

(60 guests right now.....looking for info they cannot get elsewhere maybe? )

[Joe_Shmoe]

I wonder where Mark Stokes (remember him? BIG Banners Broker pimp) is running?
He is pretty quite on Twitter & mostly tweets his running stats.


KEEP ON RUNNING MARK

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[Beacon]

I wonder where Mark Stokes (remember him? BIG Banners Broker pimp) is running?
He is pretty quite on Twitter & mostly tweets his running stats.


KEEP ON RUNNING MARK

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He can run but he can't hide.

[Beacon]

Who just up and walks away from a $1,000,000 a legitimate ad brokering business with nary a peep? ...
The best case for affiliates is for as many of these accounts to come to light as possible if they hope to see even a pittance of their initial investment.

What bothers me the most at this point is not the ungratefulness of the Banners Broker affiliates, it is that they still ask such poor questions. Tells me they are ripe for the next "this one will get you back to even" fraud. ...

The whole concept of brokering ads via some sort of affiliate network made no sense to me then or now. The patchwork of alleged spreadsheets and accounting "mishaps" seemed even less plausible. Especially with all the information people have put up recently like no expenses coming from the account. If affiliates don't get it now, or want to expand their horizons, some of these people will never believe they were scammed.

I have devoted some time to academic study of this mindset yet I am still frequently aghast at how certain people display such cultlike traits.

We see this in religious cults where the leader predicts the end of the world and it does not come about. He fades away only to return eighteen months later. What really surprises me is that some of his new followers are in fact his old followers.

Right-wing authoritarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism)


Right-wing authoritarians are people who have a high degree of willingness to submit to authorities they perceive as established and legitimate, who adhere to societal conventions and norms, and who are hostile and punitive in their attitudes towards people who don't adhere to them. They value uniformity and are in favour of using group authority, including coercion, to achieve it
Source:
Stenner, Karen (2009). "Three Kinds of "Conservatism". Psychological Inquiry: 142–159.
http://ussc.edu.au/s/media/docs/publications/1006_Inequality_Stenner.pdf

Allow me to way lyrical on this point as it relates to my own personal interest. ( see my name above)
Hypothesis one from the above pdf


Authoritarianism (and not conservatism, lack of education, or religion) is the principal determinant of intolerance of difference across time and
space and domain, that is, across any stretch of history, all cultures and every aspect (including racial, political and moral intolerance).

continues

authoritarianism is one of the most misconceived, mismeasured,
and misunderstood concepts in all of social science

[Joe_Shmoe]

Over on the BB FB page, some brave and hopeful soul declared that BB would be back at "12.00am GMT" today.

If by 12.00am he meant midday today - er, no, it hasn't happened. Ooops.
If he meant midnight, well, an hour and a half to go!

I know it is very exciting but I cannot wait up to see if it happens.

Somehow, I just don't think it will. Sorry, but the signs are not good!

(60 guests right now.....looking for info they cannot get elsewhere maybe? )

Surprise surprise it didn't happen. :RpS_rolleyes:

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[Whip]

Surprise surprise it didn't happen. :RpS_rolleyes:

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what?

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[D. I. S. Gruntled]

Over on the BB FB page, some brave and hopeful soul declared that BB would be back at "12.00am GMT" today.

If by 12.00am he meant midday today - er, no, it hasn't happened. Ooops.
If he meant midnight, well, an hour and a half to go!


Midday is 12pm. 12am is midnight - at the start of the day - so he was already too late when he posted it. Midnight at the end of the day would be 12am tomorrow.

[Mundorf]

Surprise surprise it didn't happen. :RpS_rolleyes:

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Joe,remember WeW - Temporarily Not Accepting Payments ?...hm..guess what..IT'S STILL THERE ! ! !...all gone..no-one gives a **** ...even nobody mentions the crap any more..ha..and they are still in "temporarily" mode

[ribshaw]

Meanwhile over at Mr. Shills neighborhood:


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Blow Off: Getting rid of an victim. http://scams.wikispaces.com/Glossary

For almost two years Alan THE MENTOR Shills wagged his finger at anyone who dared call this a scam, he was a legend in the Banners Broker Community. Now run along, he thinks maybe, might could be that the attorneys have told Chris Smith to keep his yapper shut. All those cute little panels being brokered in the blind network??? Mostly though just run along, unless you want to join his team for the next big scam, er I mean passive income location neutral opportunity.

============================================

YOUR ONLY HOPE NOW IS THE LIQUIDATORS, stop with the crossies that this is coming back.

If you are aware of an investment opportunity that might be a Ponzi scheme, contact the SEC by phone at (800) 732-0330 or submit a tip online at sec.gov/complaint/tipscomplaint.shtml.

SEC.gov | "Ponzi" Schemes (http://www.sec.gov/answers/ponzi.htm)

Avoiding getting in this mess in the future

Make sure your money is in a segregated account. (ALWAYS, NO MATTER THE VENTURE OR YOU ARE ASKING FOR IT)

Scammers will often ask people to write a check directly to them. Instead, you should have a segregated account with your name on it so you can receive monthly statements regarding your money and you can check your account online. “To me, the biggest red flag for Madoff was that there weren’t separate accounts,” Ajamie says. “You don’t want your money pooled in an account with other people’s money.” If it is, you’re never going to know where it’s at and where it’s going. How to Avoid Getting Scammed | TIME.com (http://business.time.com/2011/06/21/5-tips-to-avoid-getting-scammed/)


These are a few general accounting principles useful for ALL businesses to avoid fraud. This is why you don't let a Chris Smith handle the no-check writing and the "spreadsheets". Again, if these things are not present in the "venture" being presented to you walk away.

Segregation of Duties Defined

A fundamental element of internal control is the segregation of certain key duties. The basic idea underlying SOD is that no employee or group of employees should be in a position both to perpetrate and to conceal errors or fraud in the normal course of their duties. In general, the principal incompatible duties to be segregated are:

Custody of assets.
Authorization or approval of related transactions affecting those assets.
Recording or reporting of related transactions.

https://iaonline.theiia.org/simplifying-segregation-of-duties

https://www.omh.ny.gov/omhweb/resources/internal_control_top_ten.html

[Della Cate]

Well, here is old Stokesy pushing BB in February 2013.

Banners broker update from Manchester - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aV4sMKxN_Io)

See what he says at approx 20 seconds in...."it's a real business". LOL!

[Beacon]

Well, here is old Stokesy pushing BB in February 2013.

Banners broker update from Manchester - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aV4sMKxN_Io)

See what he says at approx 20 seconds in...."it's a real business". LOL!

https://plus.google.com/115556585880524878602/posts
LOL in Jan 10 2013 he was pimping BB
by 17 Jan he was cross pitching Flexkom
Feb 26 and hes back at BB
Then hes back at Flexkom
then In sept its Pure Leverage
Nov its imarketslive
Feb 2014 its Money Maker Network

[Whip]

https://plus.google.com/115556585880524878602/posts
LOL in Jan 10 2013 he was pimping BB
by 17 Jan he was cross pitching Flexkom
Feb 26 and hes back at BB
Then hes back at Flexkom
then In sept its Pure Leverage
Nov its imarketslive
Feb 2014 its Money Maker Network

Seems by their own 'rules', he should have been given the boot from banners broker scam on Jan 17, 2013 for promoting other garbage. Seems they are very selective on their own policy enforcement.

[Della Cate]

https://plus.google.com/115556585880524878602/posts
LOL in Jan 10 2013 he was pimping BB
by 17 Jan he was cross pitching Flexkom
Feb 26 and hes back at BB
Then hes back at Flexkom
then In sept its Pure Leverage
Nov its imarketslive
Feb 2014 its Money Maker Network

He's a bit of an MLM flea, isn't he - jump on any dog that will carry him!

Is he still pushing himself as "The Job Slayer" and promising "Twice Ya Money" (classy!) I wonder?

[Joe_Shmoe]

He's a bit of an MLM flea, isn't he - jump on any dog that will carry him!

Is he still pushing himself as "The Job Slayer" and promising "Twice Ya Money" (classy!) I wonder?

Mark Stokes is now also involved with Simon Stepsys' latest Ponzi My Advertising Pays (MAPS)

[Della Cate]

Mark Stokes is now also involved with Simon Stepsys' latest Ponzi My Advertising Pays (MAPS)

Is he? Doesn't surprise me - birds of a feather, and all that.

The repulsive Stepsys moves rapidly from one thing to another doesn't he? First he was (ahem) a "BB millionaire", then he was in Empower Network, now it is MAPS. Doesn't keep still for very long, does he? Perhaps he thinks it is harder to hit a moving target?

[JackTolerance]

Aww! Now Julie Templeton has reported ME for apparently spreading untruths about her too! (even though I haven't) :Fiddler:8341

[littleroundman]

http://imageshack.com/a/img631/2926/jpm4Hj.jpg

[Mundorf]

The exit strategy - Ian Parker few days ago - " ... you see for me it's not about the money. There is a principle at stake here!! If I'm proved wrong then Hey Ho... I have not mislead anyone, I'm simply supporting an innovator (in my eyes)...... and if I'm proved right.... I'm open minded enough to say "What if" - two years ago the same Ian Parker but with entrance strategy - ".. the reality in most cased is that a few people get wealthy and most end up getting frustrated with it all and eventually grind to a halt and do nothing. Banners Broker, everyone gains, the company guarantees it and this is how they do it." - no comment

[Whip]

why is there even an 'exit strategy' at all if it's what he said it was? Seems kinda naysayer if you ask me. You are planning on failure.
I certainly don't have an exit strategy for my real business.

[littleroundman]

Banners Broker, everyone gains, the company guarantees it and this is how they do it

Is it just me, or is there really, really something wrong with Iain Parkers' statement ??

[Whip]

are you daring to say Mr. 'corporate mlm for 20 years' (damn if that isn't funny) is wrong again?

[littleroundman]

you see for me it's not about the money. There is a principle at stake here!!

"Principle" and serial HYIP ponzi fraudster, "Iain Parker" in the same sentence.

Isn't that what's called an oxymoron ???

[laidback]

"Principle" and serial HYIP ponzi fraudster, "Iain Parker" in the same sentence.

Isn't that what's called an oxymoron ???Or maybe a contradiction of terms...?

[Beacon]

The exit strategy - Ian Parker few days ago - " ... you see for me it's not about the money. There is a principle at stake here!! If I'm proved wrong then Hey Ho... I have not mislead anyone, I'm simply supporting an innovator (in my eyes)...... and if I'm proved right.... I'm open minded enough to say "What if" - two years ago the same Ian Parker but with entrance strategy - ".. the reality in most cased is that a few people get wealthy and most end up getting frustrated with it all and eventually grind to a halt and do nothing. Banners Broker, everyone gains, the company guarantees it and this is how they do it." - no comment

Ill comment.
Classic doublespeak, weasel words, hedging

Allow me to parse it

" ... you see for me it's not about the money. "

Begins with an entirely unsupported claim. If it isnt about the money then why do it as a money based business? Why not have a non money involved or "play money" version?


"There is a principle at stake here!! "

The actual principle isn't stated!


If I'm proved wrong then Hey Ho... I have not mislead anyone, I'm simply supporting an innovator (in my eyes)...... and if I'm proved right.... I'm open minded enough to say "What if"

But if he is wrong he has misled people by claiming it is legit and worthy of investment.
Saying that it was his opinion ( in my eyes) does not absolve him of responsibility. Many chile molesters, rapists, attemptd murders etc can all say they thought they were doing right at the time but were ignorant of the fact that they were doing wrong. This does not excuse or absolve them for their actions.



- two years ago the same Ian Parker but with entrance strategy - ".. the reality in most cased is that a few people get wealthy and most end up getting frustrated with it all and eventually grind to a halt and do nothing. Banners Broker, everyone gains, the company guarantees it and this is how they do it."
Well Ill just have to go along with Mundorf here. the blatant hypocrisy and double standards defy commentary.

[Fat City, LA]

Aww! Now Julie Templeton has reported ME for apparently spreading untruths about her too! (even though I haven't) :Fiddler:8341

Forget how much $ / time I lost in an obvious ponzi and how foolish I look...
I'm telling facebook you said I supported BB to the point of idiocy !!!


is she emotionally disturbed? IMO very crackpottish behavior.

[EagleOne]

Actually none of this is new or shocking. This is what the promoters and major players of Ponzi's do. They always have selective memory/amnesia when it comes to their past statements, or they play the victim card claiming they were duped just like everyone else. They have to do this or they know those who followed them into this Ponzi will not follow them to their next Ponzi de Jour.

They put a spin on their past statements of claiming what the person thought they said is not what they said or meant. It was the persons fault for misinterpreting their comments. They have been doing this since these programs were introduced on the Internet. It is never their fault, EVER.

If you want a classic example of this, you have no further to look than Nanci Jo Frazer in the Profitable Sunrise thread; or the ASD thread from 2008. You will see her in action (and those like her) and you will notice how those in BB are following in her footsteps.

For all of you who this is your first rodeo with Ponzi's, what is happening now is beyond comprehension from your point of view. BUT it is nothing more than SOP for these type of people.

[Fat City, LA]

Not sure if she posted on the Real Scam forums ie Zeek but Ponzi Jo Scammer also led many deep into that disaster. Her groups losses were HUGE.

He previous ponzi pimping will cost her when her PS day of reckoning comes...There will be no claims of not knowing any better.

[D. I. S. Gruntled]

the reality in most cased is that a few people get wealthy and most end up getting frustrated with it all and eventually grind to a halt and do nothing. Banners Broker, everyone gains, the company guarantees it and this is how they do it." - no comment

The reality in the case of Banner Broker is that a few people get wealthy and most end up getting defrauded.

[Mundorf]

The reality in the case of Banner Broker is that a few people get wealthy and most end up getting defrauded.

It's to obvious isn't it.All this fraudsters are forced to be slaves of the crime they push .No meter what they say they never assume an attitude - they always rent one depending in which direction the crime is moving

[SpiderBear]

The TalkingBB forum is now read only. That is one step away from dead.

[hendyphilhendy]

The TalkingBB forum is now read only. That is one step away from dead.

A 'read only' forum, and still people believing it to be coming back

:duh:

[D. I. S. Gruntled]

The TalkingBB forum is now read only.

I've been unable to access since the last time they banned me. How many pages is the discussion up to now?

[SpiderBear]

There are only 2 discussions on there now. one about TTB going to read only and one about the BB website 'temp' closure.
All the rest of the discussions are gone.

[Whip]

The TalkingBB forum is now read only. That is one step away from dead.

It kinda always was if you think about it. lol people were being told what to think about this scam and any real dialogue about it being a scam was deleted.

[Ken Roklin]

why is there even an 'exit strategy' at all if it's what he said it was? Seems kinda naysayer if you ask me. You are planning on failure.
I certainly don't have an exit strategy for my real business.
I think that every business owner has an exit strategy. The small business owner doesn't expect to work til he/she dies, the exit strategy here is to pass it on to family or to sell the business when reaching retirement. I've started numerous companies and not once did I think I was going to keep them forever, my strategy was to launch the business, grow it to become profitable and then sell it and launch another one. For some the exit is short term while for others it could be a lifetime, but they all have an exit strategy.

In the Ponzi business it definitely is short term. The Ponzi owners know it can't last and that is why their exit plan is started the moment they get the first affiliate signed up, hence opening up numerous private bank accounts including other people's names. A legit business need only one or 2 company bank accounts and none in the CEO's personal name or in a company he personally owns.

[Whip]

swing and a miss. The point was to prove what a lie it was.

[AshKen1]

Popping this up as it's on the BBPS page on Facebook...

For all those visiting - have a look at how this worked and see if it rings any bells with you...

Middle-aged women jailed for £21 million pyramid scheme that duped thousands in Gloucestershire, South West and South West | Gloucestershire Echo (http://www.gloucestershireecho.co.uk/Band-middle-aged-women-jailed-21-million-pyramid/story-22946150-detail/story.html)

Panels...

Banners...

Lies...

Deceit...

CRIMINAL ACTIVITY...

[Brenda]

Popping this up as it's on the BBPS page on Facebook...

For all those visiting - have a look at how this worked and see if it rings any bells with you...

Middle-aged women jailed for £21 million pyramid scheme that duped thousands in Gloucestershire, South West and South West | Gloucestershire Echo (http://www.gloucestershireecho.co.uk/Band-middle-aged-women-jailed-21-million-pyramid/story-22946150-detail/story.html)

Panels...

Banners...

Lies...

Deceit...

CRIMINAL ACTIVITY...

And Julie is worried about a few facebook posts? Julie could be going to the 'big house' alright!

[AshKen1]

Picked this up on BB FB page before it disappears.....

8354

If I were Chris Smith or one of his pals, the entry under Gary the Cheerleader would actually worry me ... a lot.

Ooops guys, you picked the wrong people to cross.


The last entry here is also revealing. Penny may be finally dropping.

[Poyol]

Picked this up on BB FB page before it disappears.....

8354

If I were Chris Smith or one of his pals, the entry under Gary the Cheerleader would actually worry me ... a lot.

Ooops guys, you picked the wrong people to cross.


The last entry here is also revealing. Penny may be finally dropping.

Uh oh.
Next it'll be some Sicilians want to find them ... !