Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

[littleroundman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qv3lwnFxKAw

[Poyol]

Some URLs of interest.

Admin Area (http://admin.bannersbroker.com/login.php?c1=&c2=&rurl=/index.php)

Publisher Admin Area (http://publisher.bannersbroker.com/login.php)

Advertiser Admin Area (http://advertiser.bannersbroker.com/login.php?rurl=/index.php)

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=site%3Abannersbroker.com&source=web&cd=101&ved=0CC8QFjAAOGQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbannersbroker.com%2Fuploads%2Ftra ining_package.pptx&ei=0bH-UOviDIWY1AWWiIDoDA&usg=AFQjCNG65WiVJ4ghhw7v1z10Lkq2hvnrXA&bvm=bv.41248874,d.d2k&cad=rja

Redirect Notice (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=site%3Abannersbroker.com&source=web&cd=101&ved=0CC8QFjAAOGQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbannersbroker.com%2Fuploads%2Ftra ining_package.pptx&ei=0bH-)
UOviDIWY1AWWiIDoDA&usg=AFQjCNG65WiVJ4ghhw7v1z10Lkq2hvnrXA&bvm=bv.41248874,d.d2k&cad=rja


Some will be of use to some members - and other links will be interesting.

Jason

[Hypanor]

What about the links between the Linkedin profile "Smith" and the email address used for the registrant of BB websites?

I was talking about
...through Facebook.

[Poyol]

Whois 150cash.com (http://www.whois.com/whois/150cash.com)

Registrant:
Ralph Farley
166 Huntersfield Dr
Ottawa, Ontario K1T3L9
Canada

Administrative Contact:
Farley, Ralph @gmail.com
166 Huntersfield Dr
Ottawa, Ontario K1T3L9
Canada
(613) 737-2992 Fax -- (613) 737-2992

Technical Contact:
Farley, Ralph @gmail.com
166 Huntersfield Dr
Ottawa, Ontario K1T3L9
Canada
(613) 737-2992 Fax -- (613) 737-2992

Same Google Analytics ID as bannersbroker.com

Jason

[Poyol]

Domain: silverlineclub.com - Whois History

Cache Date: 2008-01-14
Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
Server: whois.godaddy.com
Created: 2007-09-13
Updated: 2007-10-22
Expires: 2008-09-13
Reverse Whois: Click on an email address we found in this whois record
to see which other domains the registrant is associated with:
csmith5000@rogers.com

Registrant:
Christopher Smith
110 Cumberland Street
Suite 201
Toronto, Ontario M5R3V5
Canada

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (Domain Names | The World's Largest Domain Name Registrar - GoDaddy.com (http://www.godaddy.com))
Domain Name: SILVERLINECLUB.COM
Created on: 13-Sep-07
Expires on: 13-Sep-08
Last Updated on: 22-Oct-07

Administrative Contact:
Smith, Christopher csmith5000@rogers.com
110 Cumberland Street
Suite 201
Toronto, Ontario M5R3V5
Canada
6477240635 Fax -- 6617709988

Technical Contact:
Smith, Christopher csmith5000@rogers.com
110 Cumberland Street
Suite 201
Toronto, Ontario M5R3V5
Canada
6477240635 Fax -- 6617709988

[Brenda]

thinking the second TS on linkedin is also our guy? His facebook page says he moved to Arkansas, Rheem Manufacturing have a place in Arkansas, big coincidence?

terry stern profiles | LinkedIn (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/?first=terry&last=stern&search=Go)

About Rheem Manufacturing Company (http://www.rheem.com/about/)

did anyone read his older stories in facebook, Terry is a Hooker boy from Global Wealth Trade lol

totally explains his attitude, he knows exactly what's at stake here!

[Whip]

LOL! Why should they have to reassure affilliates if it does not depend on them. And all one needs to do to disprove this is log in a new fake account.
If you can Chris is lying. If you can't then the whole thing will collapse. Of course Chris will still be milking the monthly "registration fees" which his system demands on time even though the system wont be paying out.

Fascinating how all these scam ALWAYS retain the ability to take in people's cash. There is NEVER a problem there.

[Theseus]

I was talking about

I know plenty of people who own businesses that turnover millions of pounds in revenue that aren't on Linkedin, or Facebook, or any other social networking site.

They still exist though. The lack or existence of a Facebook account doesn't prove either way whether a person exists or not.

[Poyol]

Domain: silverlineclub.com - Whois History

Cache Date: 2008-01-14
Registrar: GODADDY.COM, INC.
Server: whois.godaddy.com
Created: 2007-09-13
Updated: 2007-10-22
Expires: 2008-09-13
Reverse Whois: Click on an email address we found in this whois record
to see which other domains the registrant is associated with:
csmith5000@rogers.com

Registrant:
Christopher Smith
110 Cumberland Street
Suite 201
Toronto, Ontario M5R3V5
Canada

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (Domain Names | The World's Largest Domain Name Registrar - GoDaddy.com (http://www.godaddy.com))
Domain Name: SILVERLINECLUB.COM
Created on: 13-Sep-07
Expires on: 13-Sep-08
Last Updated on: 22-Oct-07

Administrative Contact:
Smith, Christopher csmith5000@rogers.com
110 Cumberland Street
Suite 201
Toronto, Ontario M5R3V5
Canada
6477240635 Fax -- 6617709988

Technical Contact:
Smith, Christopher csmith5000@rogers.com
110 Cumberland Street
Suite 201
Toronto, Ontario M5R3V5
Canada
6477240635 Fax -- 6617709988

In the above quote:

You can see that this website's Whois data in 2008 showed a Mr Christopher Smith at that address.

Jason

[Hypanor]

I know plenty of people who own businesses that turnover millions of pounds in revenue that aren't on Linkedin, or Facebook, or any other social networking site.

They still exist though. The lack or existence of a Facebook account doesn't prove either way whether a person exists or not.

Where did I say it did? It was a passing comment, made negatively for any passing readers. Not sure why you are making such a big deal about it... have you switched teams? ;-)

[Hypanor]

In the above quote:

You can see that this website's Whois data in 2008 showed a Mr Christopher Smith at that address.

Jason

Are you trying to show a link between that and 150cash? If so, you've lost me!

[Theseus]

thinking the second TS on linkedin is also our guy? His facebook page says he moved to Arkansas, Rheem Manufacturing have a place in Arkansas, big coincidence?

terry stern profiles | LinkedIn (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/?first=terry&last=stern&search=Go)

About Rheem Manufacturing Company (http://www.rheem.com/about/)

did anyone read his older stories in facebook, Terry is a Hooker boy from Global Wealth Trade lol

totally explains his attitude, he knows exactly what's at stake here!


The second profile doesn't contain nearly enough bs to be the SP Terry Stern, it also contains verifiable facts, something which would be completely alien to a BB scammer.

[hendyphilhendy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qv3lwnFxKAw

I like the fact it is dead air for 25 seconds!

I watched the video all the way through and made a few interesting points to note

Firstly 13:39 in - this is where Chris Smith comes in. He is described as a an IT Genius/ Geek - nohting new. However, David then describes him as have industry experience in marketing, direct sales and the Advertising industry. No actual description of the background - just experience!

You may or may not have noticed the Skype names popping up. This is a public video I believe so I see no issue with publishing some of these names here.

Adeline Sheradelia
Omid Bahd
Adam Zahra
Maria Ghaderi
ADR Clinig
Polskie warsztaty BB
Argit Chaudhry
Robert Allen Online www.whoisrober......


If someone has some spare time they may want to research some of the BB history of these guys.


Also a very abrupt mid-sentence ending.

Overall, for what is meant to be a corporate video highlighting how the business works this really is a poor display. Skype popups, interruptions, poor quality etc.

[Hypanor]

I watched the video all the way through
Well done, I zoned out after about 8 minutes!

[Poyol]

Are you trying to show a link between that and 150cash? If so, you've lost me!

150cash.com has the same Google Analytics code as bannersbroker.com - Ralph Farley is the registrant of 150cash.com and has been for at least since: 2010-07-21 - which predates Banners Broker.
So, he does own that website.

So, why Bannersbroker's GA ID is/was on his website is anyone's guess - we can always speculate.

Jason

[Theseus]

Where did I say it did? It was a passing comment, made negatively for any passing readers. Not sure why you are making such a big deal about it... have you switched teams? ;-)

It was misleading and pointless,it's not a verifiable fact that he doesn't exist. The evidence points to there being an individual called Chris Smith, that may be involved in BB. Whether the Chris Smith that owns the Linkedin profile and the email address is involved, or has simply had his name/email address used we don't know.

[Poyol]

It was misleading and pointless,it's not a verifiable fact that he doesn't exist. The evidence points to there being an individual called Chris Smith, that may be involved in BB. Whether the Chris Smith that owns the Linkedin profile and the email address is involved, or has simply had his name/email address used we don't know.

The Chris Smith that I can find through Whois records always point to the UPS mailbox - even since 2008.

What's the Silverlineclub - 'Smith' was the registrant in 2008.

Jason

[Hypanor]

It was misleading and pointless,it's not a verifiable fact that he doesn't exist
Well excuse me! Sorry if I offended you! It's not a verifiable fact that he DOES exist.


So, why Bannersbroker's GA ID is/was on his website is anyone's guess - we can always speculate.
Yes, did see your earlier post on this. Hard to say why, I thought perhaps a recycled GA ID, but that would be an uncanny coincidence and highly unlikely. You could also steal the code off another website easily, but that would be pointless if you actually wanted to use the analytics. Or perhaps they don't...?

[Poyol]

Well excuse me! Sorry if I offended you! It's not a verifiable fact that he DOES exist.


Yes, did see your earlier post on this. Hard to say why, I thought perhaps a recycled GA ID, but that would be an uncanny coincidence and highly unlikely. You could also steal the code off another website easily, but that would be pointless if you actually wanted to use the analytics. Or perhaps they don't...?

Your bold:

Would be a huge coincidence about 150cash.com though? Seeing as though that's in their 'choice network'?

Jason

[Hypanor]

Your bold:

Would be a huge coincidence about 150cash.com though? Seeing as though that's in their 'choice network'?

Jason
Oh yes, sorry forgot that bit - It's late at night here! Perhaps they bought the domain off him, along with the GA account? Dunno, requires more thought than I can muster right now...

[Theseus]

Well excuse me! Sorry if I offended you! It's not a verifiable fact that he DOES exist.





I didn't say it was, however the evidence as it stands links the email addresses to the Linkedin page and on to the university.
There may well be another explanation for it all (such as that Linkedin profiles being a recent BB production), but as things stand he would appear to exist....

[Brenda]

The second profile doesn't contain nearly enough bs to be the SP Terry Stern, it also contains verifiable facts, something which would be completely alien to a BB scammer.

you must admit, 2 Terry Stern's in Arkansas is pretty coincidental.

What do you make of the GWT connection?

[Poyol]

Oh yes, sorry forgot that bit - It's late at night here! Perhaps they bought the domain off him, along with the GA account? Dunno, requires more thought than I can muster right now...

He's still the registrant as we speak.

[Beacon]

you must admit, 2 Terry Stern's in Arkansas is pretty coincidental.

What do you make of the GWT connection?

Barrie bedroom - Trovit Homes (http://property.trovit.ca/index.php/cod.frame/url.http%253A%252F%252Fwww.RentBoard.ca%252Frental s%252Frent.aspx%253Fpstuid%253Db7f385d8-9447-49cb-8cbd-f77ef70deae7%2526utm_source%253Dtrovit%2526utm_med ium%253Dws%2526utm_campaign%253Dfl/id_ad.1g5Z1Tt12t1z/type.2/what_d.barrie%20bedroom/pos.1/org.1/pop.1/publisher_id./referer_id.1/t.1)

It would seem a certain ex BB employees House is on the market. Wonder of people know he is running his Masonic jewelry business out of it?
Common Questions (http://www.terrystern.com/customer-service/common-questions) note the address?
Why doesnt he come over to the light side of the force now? Is the lure of the BB dark side so strong?

[Brenda]

Barrie bedroom - Trovit Homes (http://property.trovit.ca/index.php/cod.frame/url.http%253A%252F%252Fwww.RentBoard.ca%252Frental s%252Frent.aspx%253Fpstuid%253Db7f385d8-9447-49cb-8cbd-f77ef70deae7%2526utm_source%253Dtrovit%2526utm_med ium%253Dws%2526utm_campaign%253Dfl/id_ad.1g5Z1Tt12t1z/type.2/what_d.barrie%20bedroom/pos.1/org.1/pop.1/publisher_id./referer_id.1/t.1)

It would seem a certain ex BB employees House is on the market. Wonder of people know he is running his Masonic jewelry business out of it?
Common Questions (http://www.terrystern.com/customer-service/common-questions) note the address?
Why doesnt he come over to the light side of the force now? Is the lure of the BB dark side so strong?

he is not an ex BB Beacon, he just posted on the other thread

[Theseus]

Barrie bedroom - Trovit Homes (http://property.trovit.ca/index.php/cod.frame/url.http%253A%252F%252Fwww.RentBoard.ca%252Frental s%252Frent.aspx%253Fpstuid%253Db7f385d8-9447-49cb-8cbd-f77ef70deae7%2526utm_source%253Dtrovit%2526utm_med ium%253Dws%2526utm_campaign%253Dfl/id_ad.1g5Z1Tt12t1z/type.2/what_d.barrie%20bedroom/pos.1/org.1/pop.1/publisher_id./referer_id.1/t.1)

It would seem a certain ex BB employees House is on the market. Wonder of people know he is running his Masonic jewelry business out of it?
Common Questions (http://www.terrystern.com/customer-service/common-questions) note the address?
Why doesnt he come over to the light side of the force now? Is the lure of the BB dark side so strong?



That first link takes me to a page for a room to let in a house with an entirely different address to that given in the second link, and as Brenda says, SP's tame freemason is very much still with them...

[Jerrygo]

i dont see that his being a freemason has any relevance, but sadly you are right, I dont think he is going to jump ship.

[Joe_Shmoe]

Just been to http://www.terrystern.com/ to purchase one of those lovely Masonic rings Terry sells.

So I pick one, add it to my basket, when I go to pay guess what the only payment option is?



2825
Yup! PayPal :RpS_smile:

[Theseus]

i dont see that his being a freemason has any relevance, but sadly you are right, I dont think he is going to jump ship.

I get the feeling it probably does, in relation to how he's ended up here.....

[hendyphilhendy]

Just been to http://www.terrystern.com/ to purchase one of those lovely Masonic rings Terry sells.

So I pick one, add it to my basket, when I go to pay guess what the only payment option is?



2825
Yup! PayPal :RpS_smile:

Impossible, surely PayPal is too expensive? I insist on using my Solid Trust Pay or Payza dodgy processor account

/.....sarcasm

Terry, you really are starting to lack even more credibility

[Jerrygo]

Well well thats interesting. Before I came to this forum I had never heard of Solid Trust Pay or Payza, Despite having bought stuff from all over the world. Never been offered any of those in the choice of payment options. Were they just set up for dodgy stuff that paypal wont allow?

[Theseus]

Well well thats interesting. Before I came to this forum I had never heard of Solid Trust Pay or Payza, Despite having bought stuff from all over the world. Never been offered any of those in the choice of payment options. Were they just set up for dodgy stuff that paypal wont allow?

Got it in one :RpS_thumbup:

[noname999]

When is the court case in India set for?

[Mundorf]

Did anyone ask Terry if he advertise his website using BB fantastic services...Ad-pub combo - to explode masonic rings sales while earning tons ad revenue simultaneously..win win situation

[Hypanor]

When is the court case in India set for?

Not sure, perhaps thats what Raj is (supposedly) heading to India for!

[Beacon]

That first link takes me to a page for a room to let in a house with an entirely different address to that given in the second link, and as Brenda says, SP's tame freemason is very much still with them...

For rent 3 bedroom house barrie - Trovit Homes (http://property.trovit.ca/for-rent-3-bedroom-house-barrie)

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[EagleOne]

Maybe Mr. Stern is moving to the UK to run the new Manchester office.

[okosh]

Well well thats interesting. Before I came to this forum I had never heard of Solid Trust Pay or Payza, Despite having bought stuff from all over the world. Never been offered any of those in the choice of payment options. Were they just set up for dodgy stuff that paypal wont allow?

In a word "Yes".....

Solid trust Pay started off as a ponzi autosurf.....
Solidtrust - Solidtrust.info (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Solidtrust-Solidtrusti-t66387.html&hl=Marc+Stella+Hiemstra)

Prior to last year Payza was called AlertPay.....Also started as a ponzi autosurf....

Both operate from scam friendly Canada....

[Beacon]

In a word "Yes".....

Solid trust Pay started off as a ponzi autosurf.....
Solidtrust - Solidtrust.info (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Solidtrust-Solidtrusti-t66387.html&hl=Marc+Stella+Hiemstra)

Prior to last year Payza was called AlertPay.....Also started as a ponzi autosurf....

Both operate from scam friendly Canada....

And Allied Wallett have been listed by the FBI for fraud
FBI — Payment Processors Agree to Forfeit More Than $13 Million in Funds Traced to Money Laundering and Online Gambling (http://www.fbi.gov/newyork/press-releases/2010/nyfo081710b.htm)

But no matter how many alarm bells ring the Affiliates keep saying the "so far so good" mantra like a guy falling to the ground says with every floor that he falls.

[hendyphilhendy]

Have they released the actual venue for the 'world tour' event happening on Feb 22nd? Seems odd that it is only a short time away, people cannot even book advanced rail etc. if they don't know where they are going.

[JordanBright]

Well well thats interesting. Before I came to this forum I had never heard of Solid Trust Pay or Payza, Despite having bought stuff from all over the world. Never been offered any of those in the choice of payment options. Were they just set up for dodgy stuff that paypal wont allow?

they may be set up for that but they have been operating Prior to Banners Broker, payza is Alertpay, a British compay purchased them and changed the name to payza, they also dropped a lot of support to hyips and stuff so it will look safer there but there are still hyips running with payza, they just pay some fees for it.. it's and old company with a new name.

stp is also old but I don't know much about it, all I know is that it's a canadian company.

[Beacon]

Here is a Linkedin Group admin o9f one of the bigger BB Linkedin Groups still busy plugging BB with no doubt a "Last days of Rome" attitude.

28292830

[Dreamstealer]

Have they released the actual venue for the 'world tour' event happening on Feb 22nd? Seems odd that it is only a short time away, people cannot even book advanced rail etc. if they don't know where they are going.

Alcatraz, Devils island, Wormwood Scrubs

[Hypanor]

This is an old BB page, Dec 2010. Sandra Robbins loves her blogspot pages, she seems to have a few.
Straightline Cycler Doubler (http://oneofakindstraightlinecyclerdoubler.blogspot.com.a u/)

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[Hypanor]

And another 'ancient' - Levi Manners
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[Hypanor]

Now I'm confused. I thought Banners Broker is a cycler doubler HYIP that is doomed to fail and disappear?


Color Panels are Rolling Up and Capping like Crazy!

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It's the only system of it's kind on the internet - if not, the only system of it's kind in The World!
.
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http://www.facebook.com/pages/AdvertiserPublisher/195224050561498

Gee, they love to hide these pages under odd names.

[AshKen1]

Has anyone been on Finch's website recently?

Very long but very interesting post by Bill Lucas about some associates oaf his visiting the BB office address given by TDStern (Carlow Court)

Banners Broker Scam Update « Finch Sells (http://finchsells.com/2012/12/20/banners-broker-scam-update/#comments)

Specifically the one of 22 January 2013 at 8.29 pm

Worth a read.

[noname999]

Has anyone been on Finch's website recently?

Very long but very interesting post by Bill Lucas about some associates oaf his visiting the BB office address given by TDStern (Carlow Court)

Banners Broker Scam Update « Finch Sells (http://finchsells.com/2012/12/20/banners-broker-scam-update/#comments)

Specifically the one of 22 January 2013 at 8.29 pm

Worth a read.

Depending on his credibility. Any self professed multimillionaire who feels he needs to tell people he hangs around with other multimillionaires...sounds dodgy to me...

[noname999]

On a more positive not:

Its PAY DAY!

[AshKen1]

Have they released the actual venue for the 'world tour' event happening on Feb 22nd? Seems odd that it is only a short time away, people cannot even book advanced rail etc. if they don't know where they are going.

At the risk of being flippant, BB will be supplying the rail tickets via the panel system. You put money in, but the ticket won't be supplied as it is purged after 14 days, but should it cap you will get not one, but two tickets! However, if you do not pass go you will find your ticket will be rolled up into one of a higher value that you have to extract via a payment processor that has a fairly dodgy reputation. Of course, this is not an investment in a rail ticket, far from it...

Thinking about it, BB probably works better than most rail companies in the UK... and 90% of users will, eventually, find a ticket arrives, but long after the event has taken place. Hope that makes it clear Phil?

:RpS_smile:

[littleroundman]

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/banners.jpg

Banners Broker thread, Talkgold HYIP ponzi forum (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5058056&postcount=1449)

When the regular HYIP ponzi players are complaining, newbies have no chance.

[AshKen1]

Depending on his credibility. Any self professed multimillionaire who feels he needs to tell people he hangs around with other multimillionaires...sounds dodgy to me...

Agreed on the credibility issues. Should be interesting to see what response comes back at him from TDS.

As for it being pay day, well, yes.

[Julie Diligent]

Has anyone been on Finch's website recently?

Very long but very interesting post by Bill Lucas about some associates oaf his visiting the BB office address given by TDStern (Carlow Court)

Banners Broker Scam Update « Finch Sells (http://finchsells.com/2012/12/20/banners-broker-scam-update/#comments)

Specifically the one of 22 January 2013 at 8.29 pm

Worth a read.

I've read it, too, Ash.

Bill Lucas, so-called, is certainly putting a lot of time and effort into lengthy, pointed, and quite well-written posts... a pleasant change from those of the tiresome, self-indulgent waffle-wonk we've come to know (but likely not love) as 'D. Pressed'.

That said, I'm highly skeptical about the veracity of Bill's assertions, given the lack of evidence. Particularly now, straight after the 'Chris Smith' spoofing.

Just as spinmeister Stern needs to provide some supporting evidence (but has so far failed to do), Bill also needs to offer some if his claims are to be believed.

Bill's alleged associates who allegedly paid a visit to Carlow Court (not 'Carlaw', Terry)... you would think the smart thing for them to have done would have been to take some photos while they were there and Bill to have posted them for all to see, would you not?

[makemoney2010]

In a word "Yes".....

Solid trust Pay started off as a ponzi autosurf.....
Solidtrust - Solidtrust.info (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Solidtrust-Solidtrusti-t66387.html&hl=Marc+Stella+Hiemstra)

Prior to last year Payza was called AlertPay.....Also started as a ponzi autosurf....

Both operate from scam friendly Canada....

Are you sure about what you're say?
I use alertpay from 2009 and i havent's heard nothing like that.
Alertpay alias Payza is just a payment gateway online.

[AshKen1]

I've read it, too, Ash.

Bill Lucas, so-called, is certainly putting a lot of time and effort into lengthy, pointed, and quite well-written posts... a pleasant change from those of the tiresome, self-indulgent waffle-wonk we've come to know (but likely not love) as 'D. Pressed'.

That said, I'm highly skeptical about the veracity of Bill's assertions, given the lack of evidence. Particularly now, straight after the 'Chris Smith' spoofing.

Just as spinmeister Stern needs to provide some supporting evidence (but has so far failed to do), Bill also needs to offer some if his claims are to be believed.

Bill's alleged associates who allegedly paid a visit to Carlow Court (not 'Carlaw', Terry)... you would think the smart thing for them to have done would have been to take some photos while they were there and Bill to have posted them for all to see, would you not?

Yes indeed, Julie, I agree. Photos etc would have been useful, but then again, in this day and age, photoshop blah blah blah. Bill now taken himself off the blog for the moment; well many have said that and failed - I have been slagged off by D Pressed for wrong ideas, so I'm zipping the lip on that point ;)

The smoke and mirrors analogy is so apt. Any time anyone has revealed an error, glitch, lie etc of BB, they simply morph again. Almost disheartening. Almost but not quite

:RpS_wink:

[Beacon]

And another 'ancient' - Levi Manners
Banners Broker by Levi Manners (http://web.archive.org/web/20111025182246/http://www.apsense.com/article/156934.html)



Levi is still actively working the program, in Hawaii by the looks - http://www.facebook.com/levi.manners

I didnt see a copy on your facebook link to a source for the actual words in the quote you gave so here is one

Banners Broker - Young Entrepreneur Society (http://www.youngentrepreneursociety.com/forum/topics/banners-broker?xg_source=activity)

[Theseus]

For rent 3 bedroom house barrie - Trovit Homes (http://property.trovit.ca/for-rent-3-bedroom-house-barrie)

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Maybe Mr. Stern is moving to the UK to run the new Manchester office.

Or maybe he doesn't want it lying empty while he's locked up in a cell :RpS_lol:

[marsh56]

Here is the latest nonsense from our friends at BB. With NO prior notice, there suddenly appears a "REVERSE" button for pending withdrawals. There is yet no explanation for the purpose of this process except the obvious logical one: put more funds BACK in to the system.

It is also now the 23rd and no one in our group has yet to receive any pending payouts.

Finally, "Terry Stern" has posted at the Finch Sells blog claiming that 90% of payouts went out on the 11th. I will be polite and say that his math skills are poor at best and he is being less than honest.

Mark

[Brenda]

I've read it, too, Ash.

Bill Lucas, so-called, is certainly putting a lot of time and effort into lengthy, pointed, and quite well-written posts... a pleasant change from those of the tiresome, self-indulgent waffle-wonk we've come to know (but likely not love) as 'D. Pressed'.

That said, I'm highly skeptical about the veracity of Bill's assertions, given the lack of evidence. Particularly now, straight after the 'Chris Smith' spoofing.

Just as spinmeister Stern needs to provide some supporting evidence (but has so far failed to do), Bill also needs to offer some if his claims are to be believed.

Bill's alleged associates who allegedly paid a visit to Carlow Court (not 'Carlaw', Terry)... you would think the smart thing for them to have done would have been to take some photos while they were there and Bill to have posted them for all to see, would you not?

Let's not have a too big 'Kill Bill' moment :)

For what it's worth, from my perspective, he is articulating the flaws of BB with more understanding of their explanations of the system/ alleged algorithm better than I ever could. If nothing else, his posts must cause massive doubt to anyone doing their due diligence at this time, which is my ultimate goal.

I like Bill and if he came up with evidence of being at the offices, I'd love Bill !

As an aside to all of this, when Terry first graced this forum, he did have a big hang up on poor Juli and the harassment she was receiving and the strain it was putting on their relationship. Although I know Juli and DES exsists there at Carlow Court, and I believe that they are legit, he doth protest too much. Took the focus completely off Carlow Ct so as not to upset Juli?

[StevenHoward]

Poyol, replied to your PM.

There's apparently a lot going on at talkingbb, people moaning about not being paid, people asking what's going on etc, I got 5 emails about it today from concerned people.


I just had to share this that I was emailed, PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE INSIDE OF BB There's a couple of things I've found out this morning, photos of BB's offices.

http://www.t-faos.com/follow/ic-summ...-january-2013/

Can someone please take a copy and save them to their hard drive, I won't get home until after 7pm, they could be deleted by then.

Last week I started to try and figure out who "Chris Smith" really was, I had a gut feeling he was a close family member and asked people to send me any photos they could find (thanks to everyone who helped).

I finally was pointed in the direction of this Photos from Raj (Raj) on Myspace (http://www.myspace.com/thebaldindian/photos/1283557#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A1295284%7D)

Raj Dixit and his family, specifically his brother, this photo was taken somewhere between 2002 and 2006, take away the glasses, take away the hair, and does that look like the elusive SMITH ?. Specifically look at his "jowls" (cheeks/chin). I've tried and tried to find his brothers first name, so far I've failed.

I then looked at his sister and was going to make some wise crack about doing the same with his sister, then realized, what a strong family resemblance.

Both siblings are very dark compared to Raj. Raj has "lots" of nieces and nephews, I saw that somewhere last week, but can't find it again, but it was his own words, so it's possible he could have more brothers.

What do you think ?

[Poyol]

Poyol, replied to your PM.

There's apparently a lot going on at talkingbb, people moaning about not being paid, people asking what's going on etc, I got 5 emails about it today from concerned people.


I just had to share this that I was emailed, PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE INSIDE OF BB There's a couple of things I've found out this morning, photos of BB's offices.

http://www.t-faos.com/follow/ic-summ...-january-2013/

Can someone please take a copy and save them to their hard drive, I won't get home until after 7pm, they could be deleted by then.

Last week I started to try and figure out who "Chris Smith" really was, I had a gut feeling he was a close family member and asked people to send me any photos they could find (thanks to everyone who helped).

I finally was pointed in the direction of this Photos from Raj (Raj) on Myspace (http://www.myspace.com/thebaldindian/photos/1283557#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A1295284%7D)

Raj Dixit and his family, specifically his brother, this photo was taken somewhere between 2002 and 2006, take away the glasses, take away the hair, and does that look like the elusive SMITH ?. Specifically look at his "jowls" (cheeks/chin). I've tried and tried to find his brothers first name, so far I've failed.

I then looked at his sister and was going to make some wise crack about doing the same with his sister, then realized, what a strong family resemblance.

Both siblings are very dark compared to Raj. Raj has "lots" of nieces and nephews, I saw that somewhere last week, but can't find it again, but it was his own words, so it's possible he could have more brothers.

What do you think ?

I was given this tip in facial recognition by Theseus. The clue is in the ears.

Jason

PS - Will reply to PM now.

[Brenda]

Poyol, replied to your PM.

There's apparently a lot going on at talkingbb, people moaning about not being paid, people asking what's going on etc, I got 5 emails about it today from concerned people.


I just had to share this that I was emailed, PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE INSIDE OF BB There's a couple of things I've found out this morning, photos of BB's offices.

http://www.t-faos.com/follow/ic-summ...-january-2013/

Can someone please take a copy and save them to their hard drive, I won't get home until after 7pm, they could be deleted by then.

Last week I started to try and figure out who "Chris Smith" really was, I had a gut feeling he was a close family member and asked people to send me any photos they could find (thanks to everyone who helped).

I finally was pointed in the direction of this Photos from Raj (Raj) on Myspace (http://www.myspace.com/thebaldindian/photos/1283557#%7B%22ImageId%22%3A1295284%7D)

Raj Dixit and his family, specifically his brother, this photo was taken somewhere between 2002 and 2006, take away the glasses, take away the hair, and does that look like the elusive SMITH ?. Specifically look at his "jowls" (cheeks/chin). I've tried and tried to find his brothers first name, so far I've failed.

I then looked at his sister and was going to make some wise crack about doing the same with his sister, then realized, what a strong family resemblance.

Both siblings are very dark compared to Raj. Raj has "lots" of nieces and nephews, I saw that somewhere last week, but can't find it again, but it was his own words, so it's possible he could have more brothers.

What do you think ?

Steven, the link is showing a 404 error??? Nothing there.

[Poyol]

Steven, the link is showing a 404 error??? Nothing there.

Try: IC Summit Toronto January 2013Follow Tisochritifaos | Follow Tisochritifaos (http://www.t-faos.com/follow/ic-summit-toronto-january-2013/)

[Poyol]

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Client list for Stellar Point.

Let's have a look:

Payvalley.com - Whois payvalley.com (http://www.whois.com/whois/payvalley.com)


Registrant:
PayValley Inc
110 Cumberland Street
Suite 201
Toronto, Ontario M5R3V5
Canada

Hm ...

Jason

[noname999]

Haha, brilliant. Is that a warehouse floor with a make shift office. They could have at least have finished the partition wall. Although the poster does cover half of it. What a pack of bluffers!:RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol:

[Theseus]

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Client list for Stellar Point.

Let's have a look:

Payvalley.com - Whois payvalley.com (http://www.whois.com/whois/payvalley.com)



Hm ...

Jason

The entire client list revolves around a group of companies who all share a solitary mailbox at a UPS store.


Must just be a coincidence,



either that or it's a very big mailbox.


Maybe Terry is letting his house so he can move in there instead? :RpS_rolleyes:

[StevenHoward]

I was given this tip in facial recognition by Theseus. The clue is in the ears.

Jason

PS - Will reply to PM now.

I remember reading something about the ears, wasn't it Raj's who were strange?.

Given the difference in their skin tones, I'd say it was probable that they are "half" brothers.

[Theseus]

Try: IC Summit Toronto January 2013Follow Tisochritifaos | Follow Tisochritifaos (http://www.t-faos.com/follow/ic-summit-toronto-january-2013/)


All the IC’s were priveledged to be part of the Head Quarters staff training.

Wait, that's the BB HQ? I thought it was the offices of a totally unrelated company called Stellar Point....

[Poyol]

I remember reading something about the ears, wasn't it Raj's who were strange?.

Given the difference in their skin tones, I'd say it was probable that they are "half" brothers.

http://jasonclarkinvestigates.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/chris-smith.jpg?w=274&h=300

Chris' ears are elven in nature ...

[Jerrygo]

And on the australia fb report on that ic summit

The speakers inclide.
Rajiv Dixit - General information and a run through on plans for 2013 and the direction the Banners Broker is looking to go.
David Hooker - On how to better present their companies and represent Banners Broker. Also how to train and develop others
Stephanie Schlacht - On tools to better support your affiliates and businesses.
Pauline McKenzie - On Banners Brokers International policy and procedures for 2013
Grant D'Eall - New training materials for 2013. Introduction of new training manuals for staff and affiliates.
Terry Stern - Introduction of Public Relation campaigns for 2013

No mention of Chris Smith.

[Brenda]

Try: IC Summit Toronto January 2013Follow Tisochritifaos | Follow Tisochritifaos (http://www.t-faos.com/follow/ic-summit-toronto-january-2013/)

Thanks Jason, see the comment from Gerald at the bottom? Here's a little history on Gerald, lol

Gerald Ballantyne - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/plus8000dvd)

the back end of Carlow Court is a warehouse which IMO is clear from the photos. Strategically placed plants and dare I say, banners. The lovely kitchen was already there, seems to be that it looks like it was all staged??

Anyway, did Paul McCarthy go does anyone know? Unless I've missed something, very quiet on his end lately!

[Poyol]

Thanks Jason, see the comment from Gerald at the bottom? Here's a little history on Gerald, lol

Gerald Ballantyne - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/user/plus8000dvd)

the back end of Carlow Court is a warehouse which IMO is clear from the photos. Strategically placed plants and dare I say, banners. The lovely kitchen was already there, seems to be that it looks like it was all staged??

Anyway, did Paul McCarthy go does anyone know? Unless I've missed something, very quiet on his end lately!

Very quiet on his end - not heard anything about him.

Will get onto my Sunday World contact.

Jason

[Beacon]

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[Beacon]

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the "experianced" mr Ballantyne is busy promoting BB on his Linkedin Group ( see muy next post) and blocking any critical massages of BB to that group.

[SwissSkyBlue]

Just been to http://www.terrystern.com/ to purchase one of those lovely Masonic rings Terry sells.

So I pick one, add it to my basket, when I go to pay guess what the only payment option is?



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Yup! PayPal :RpS_smile:



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA - BRILLIANT FIND!!!!!!!!!! A huge thank you to Joe for finding it.
This is just priceless! Vindicates everything I was saying over on Finch's Blog and shows Terry Stern up for the complete and utter liar that he is.

@ Terry Stern:
If that really was you posting on here and on Finch's blog, you are a slimy, nasty piece of work quite apart from being an outright liar and a devious worm. Did you not several times categorically state that PayPay was too expensive and that using PayPal was not sufficient for satisfying international money laundering laws and for those reasons "normal" payment methods like PayPal could not be used by Banners Brokers? God, how much do I detest you and what you do to innocent people.


@ members of this blog:
How sure are we that the Terry Stern that posted on here is really the same Terry Stern that sells masonic jewellery and will only let you pay using PayPal?
If they really are the same person, how do we let the world and his potential customers victims know what a slimy, two tongued turd he really is?

[samuel.r]

Try: IC Summit Toronto January 2013Follow Tisochritifaos | Follow Tisochritifaos (http://www.t-faos.com/follow/ic-summit-toronto-january-2013/)

Must be a dangerous part of town. I noticed the key feature of the office is a 32-channel video surveillance system.

Gotta protect that secret algorithm, I guess.

[Beacon]

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Unlike RS Mr Ballantyne censors criticism or any questions about the BB scam from his own Linkedin group.
FYI this is the guy posting a comment to the above link
http://www.t-faos.com/follow/ic-summit-toronto-january-2013/



Gerald BallantyneJanuary 22, 2013 at 9:27 pm · Reply

Posh! an excellent image of Banners Broker. May you grow into google offices in the not to distant future.


still touting the comparison line of "google spent two years in a garage" . They didnt and they moved to offices after about six months.

[Jerrygo]

Is that Paul McCarthy on the front desk pic?

[samuel.r]

To be fair to Terry do you really think there is no difference between a guy selling jewelry out of his house taking PayPal and a multi-national hundreds of $M per year corporation standardizing on PayPal as its outgoing payment system?

Trying to use this as proof of deceit seems a little weak, IMHO.

As always, just my free advice and worth just about that amount; do what you want...

[Poyol]

Is that Paul McCarthy on the front desk pic?

I thought the same.

[Banners_Broken]

Hi guys,

I've been monitoring this forum for a while but have yet to make a contribution - partially out of embarrassment I suppose. The usual story: Family member is very enthusiastic about new "business" venture, I take a punt knowing at the back of my mind that it is too good to be true, do my due diligence after the event, and come to the conclusion that BB is a scam (obviously your input here helped). I'm still holding out for my initial investment, though I wouldn't hold my breath. In truth, I had it written off as a bad debt almost immediately. Anyway, I've seen people refer to the very useful Finch articles relating to BB. Take a look at this report created only yesterday which puts BB on the same footing as FB, Google, etc.:

Scoopasia | Press Releases (http://news.scoopasia.com/index.php/news/why_high_profit_companies_like_banners_broker_and_ google_locate_themselves_/)

Note that the name Michael Finch is mentioned at the bottom (bit odd). It's laughable and I'm sure another ploy on the part of BB or an affiliate.

[ProfHenryHiggins]

So who are these other "premium clients" I see displayed on the canvas banner? Parrot Marketing, Payvalley, Buzinga?

[Brenda]

Is that Paul McCarthy on the front desk pic?

whoever it is looks like they were caught stealing the pens in that pic! BTW, it appears that these pics were taken during the day, not one member of staff around busy at work?? Most of the desks looked like they are unused.

The photo of the signage to the front is not as prominent as it appears there and the sign to the side of the building is a big metal one that is screwed to the wall, not like a permanent sign. There is no room here either for much parking to the side as I've said before, given that there are tenants in addition to them, parking is at a premium. In other words, it's location is not really designed for a high staffed business.

[Poyol]

whoever it is looks like they were caught stealing the pens in that pic! BTW, it appears that these pics were taken during the day, not one member of staff around busy at work?? Most of the desks looked like they are unused.

The photo of the signage to the front is not as prominent as it appears there and the sign to the side of the building is a big metal one that is screwed to the wall, not like a permanent sign. There is no room here either for much parking to the side as I've said before, given that there are tenants in addition to them, parking is at a premium. In other words, it's location is not really designed for a high staffed business.

Live next door to it? :D

[AshKen1]

Another day, another payment processor...

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How many do these guys need?????

Oh yeah... and another glitch with payments.... they must be going for a Guinness World Record on all counts!

[Martin88]

I noticed a few photos from within StellarPoint popping up here too:

https://www.facebook.com/BannersBrokerPL/photos_stream

[SwissSkyBlue]

To be fair to Terry do you really think there is no difference between a guy selling jewelry out of his house taking PayPal and a multi-national hundreds of $M per year corporation standardizing on PayPal as its outgoing payment system?

Trying to use this as proof of deceit seems a little weak, IMHO.

As always, just my free advice and worth just about that amount; do what you want...


Samuel,

Terry's jerwellery business is aparantly international. Overpriced jewellery has long been a traditional method of moving dirty money. I am in no way saying that anything is going on with Terry's jewellery business, but then who knows?

I understand what you are saying, and I agree that there are significant differences between an online jewellery shop and an online ponzi scam. However, Terry was quite clearly stating that PayPal was too expensive to use as they took a high percentage from both buyer and seller and were much more expensive that the methods being used by Banners Brokers.

If this is true, then why does Terry use PayPal exclusively for his business instead of the much cheaper options used by Banners Brokers that he is so familiar with and so supportive of? It really does not add up, does it?

[AshKen1]

@SwissSkyBlue


It really does not add up, does it?

Quite an understatement there :RpS_smile:

[Whip]

So who are these other "premium clients" I see displayed on the canvas banner? Parrot Marketing, Payvalley, Buzinga?

shell clients created by banners broker as an illusion.

[Brenda]

Live next door to it? :D

haha, no, have a friend who does though and he owed me one :)

[SwissSkyBlue]

Reference Terry Stern,

From the posts above, it would seem that there is a real Terry Stern in the top international management of Banners Brokers, so can we now be sure that the Terry Stern of masonic jewellery fame, the Terry Stern posting on here and Finch's Blog and the Terry Stern listed in the BBI management team as the PR manager are indeed all one and the same genuine and real person?

[Joe_Shmoe]

Is that some Panels I see sat on that rack waiting to be sent out to Clicksor & OpenX, that might explain why they need all that
warehouse space :RpS_smile:

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What a DUMP!

[StevenHoward]

http://jasonclarkinvestigates.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/chris-smith.jpg?w=274&h=300

Chris' ears are elven in nature ...

The problem is there are no high quality photos of him, I've seen images where his ears look normal.

Is it just the one ear like that?, has the photo been cropped in photoshop and that piece cut off ?, is there more than one smith (I've always thought there might be), is that just a trick of the light?. Has he had an accident, or been in a fight?

Having said all that, I don't think I've found him, had a good look at the photos and Raj's brother has a larger forehead, there are lots of similar facial features, but not an exact match IMHO.

I'll keep searching.

[Theseus]

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Let's go through some of these client names, shall we....

Monetize Group (http://www.monetizegroup.com/) uncannily like The Monetize Group (www.themonetizegroup.co.uk)

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Parrot Marketing (http://www.parrotmarketing.com/), quite similar to Red Parrot Marketing (http://redparrotmarketing.com/)

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Payvalley (http://payvalley.com/)

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As to be expected they all share the now-familiar "domainservice80" email address which links almost every Banners Broker and "Choice Network" site.Note also that the last one, payvalley.com is considerably older than the rest, and predates BB by nearly four years in it's present "domainservice80" incarnation, however a bit of digging suggests it seems to go back even further...

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Is it linked to any previous scams?

[SwissSkyBlue]

I could swear I just saw Chris Smith on ITV 2 at the beginning of an advert for New York Bakery!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Joe_Shmoe]

Naaaaa! Don't think so. :RpS_smile:

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New York Bakery Co bagels 'Start Spreading' - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu9ZlPXeWgI)

[ash_x]

Hi Guys!
I`ve been silently reading this thread for quite long now, firstly due to it being so breathtakingly interesting, and also because I`m actually doing my own investigation from where I`m standing-Poland. As You have already noticed BB-Poland is popping now and then even in Your findings, it seems it has been gaining popularity in a fast pace last year affecting a bunch of people "in my neighborhood".
That`s it for the introduction :)

As for the help I can offer, it would be of course unveiling the mysteries of polish language, if You come across anything You might find interesting yet hierogliphic in nature for You :) I know it ain`t much but still, You never know... :P

As for Martins link:

I noticed a few photos from within StellarPoint popping up here too:

https://www.facebook.com/BannersBrokerPL/photos_stream

it seems the "top tier" from Poland has been invited to the SP office, listing the main pimps (also want to stick them here in this thread so they are not forgotten in their later "businesses":

Mateusz gużda (https://www.facebook.com/mateusz.guzda) - Independant contractor;
runs the site - iPrime Consulting | Independent Contractor of Banners Broker International (http://www.bb.iprimeconsulting.pl/) - responsible for most of the "official" BB meetings in Poland
has a Filipino wife - with which he tried to push Philippines market, strangely enough the photos from some meetings held there have disappeared after some time...
as a bonus You can find quite detailed photo of the Invisible man (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151050162642022&set=a.10150160915847022.305529.843252021&type=1&relevant_count=1) on his fb page

Main pimps:
Wojciech Krupa (https://www.facebook.com/wojciech.krupa.16?ref=ts&fref=ts)
runs the site - www.thebestbroker.pl (http://www.thebestbroker.pl/) and the fb page (https://www.facebook.com/bb.polska)
interesting enough, he posted his e-wallet with over 11k withdrawal

Dawid Jurczyk (https://www.facebook.com/dawid.jurczyk?fref=ts)
runs the site - www.e-bb.pl (http://www.e-bb.pl/) and fb page (https://www.facebook.com/BannersBrokerPL)

Marcin Okonski (https://www.facebook.com/ws.marselo?ref=ts&fref=ts)
runs the fb page (https://www.facebook.com/bannersbroker.poland)
again, noticeably high withdrawal posted, over 19k.

The bonus, tattoo-leg guy Rafał Kujawa (https://www.facebook.com/rafal.kujawa?ref=ts&fref=ts). Not really a pimp, but the non-removable ponzi logo on his leg earned him extra kudos in my book...seriously brainless **** :loser:
runs a more-or-less dead blog - http://rafalkujawa.pl (http://rafalkujawa.pl/)

As for the general things going on in the not so recent past:
1. all of the pimps have officially stated that they are not directly recruiting anymore, just forwarding new people to their downlines
2. all of the pimps have smuggled NEW business opportunities on their profiels, coincidentally during the december-january period. The NEW stuff being: JSS tripler, ADIT, RICI, etc.
3. there is a LOT of drones popping out on the pimp profiles asking questions about, no payments, panels not moving/closing, doubts about the India situation, etc.

Sooo that`s it from me, just want to point out that You are ALL doing a GREAT job in here, and I will stick around for more things to come :)
p.s. sorry for my post-communism grammar :crying_2:

HOWGH!

[okosh]

Have they released the actual venue for the 'world tour' event happening on Feb 22nd? Seems odd that it is only a short time away, people cannot even book advanced rail etc. if they don't know where they are going.

Why would they bother??....This ponzi-scam has imploded.....It's game over.....Most of the promoters and bigger players have moved on to the next scam by now...

[StevenHoward]

Why would they bother??....This ponzi-scam has imploded.....It's game over.....Most of the promoters and bigger players have moved on to the next scam by now...

It certainly looks as if it is over, FB forums are NOT claiming any payments have been paid (It was supposed to be today......AGAIN).

Members are starting to moan, but for the most part they're keeping quiet, these people have been seriously conned and are too scared to speak out, for now,

One of the best moans comes from Rony, "All BB needs to do is 1 thing and 1 thing only....... CUT THE BULLSHIT........ =)"

He's was expecting about $4,000.

Some have already started to pitch other investments, but some are still introducing people to the forums.

Maybe they will payout tomorrow.

[hendyphilhendy]

Parrot marketing also display the classic banners broker ads.

Parrot Marketing - The chirp in effective online marketing (http://www.parrotmarketing.com/about.html)

Does anyone else know of any serious professional marketing company that carries these type of ads?

Another minor website designed to give the impression stellar point have large clients!

[hendyphilhendy]

Key difference between the two monetize sites shown is the about us page

About Us | The Monetize Group (http://www.themonetizegroup.co.uk/about.php)

look at all that lovely info about the MD, history, photo's qualifications etc.

Now which Monetize group would you trust to do business with?

[littleroundman]

Your mention of Parrot Marketing brings up some "interesting" connections.

Parrot Marketing WHOIS information:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/parrot.jpg

Which, of course is the same as for Banner Broker:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/parrotbanner.jpg

However, Parrot Marketings' postal address which they show as being:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/parrotstreet.jpg

Is the same as for:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/parrotaird.jpg

Curiouser and curiouser.

[Theseus]

Your mention of Parrot Marketing brings up some "interesting" connections.

Parrot Marketing WHOIS information:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/parrot.jpg

Which, of course is the same as for Banner Broker:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/parrotbanner.jpg

However, Parrot Marketings' postal address which they show as being:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/parrotstreet.jpg

Is the same as for:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/parrotaird.jpg

Curiouser and curiouser.

Yeah, came across that link before, the address is another mailbox-for-rent place.

[Theseus]

.
Key difference between the two monetize sites shown is the about us page

About Us | The Monetize Group (http://www.themonetizegroup.co.uk/about.php)

look at all that lovely info about the MD, history, photo's qualifications etc.

Now which Monetize group would you trust to do business with?.


Exactly.

[Soapboxmom]

Hi Guys!
I`ve been silently reading this thread for quite long now, firstly due to it being so breathtakingly interesting, and also because I`m actually doing my own investigation from where I`m standing-Poland. As You have already noticed BB-Poland is popping now and then even in Your findings, it seems it has been gaining popularity in a fast pace last year affecting a bunch of people "in my neighborhood".
That`s it for the introduction :)

As for the help I can offer, it would be of course unveiling the mysteries of polish language, if You come across anything You might find interesting yet hierogliphic in nature for You :) I know it ain`t much but still, You never know... :P

As for Martins link:


it seems the "top tier" from Poland has been invited to the SP office, listing the main pimps (also want to stick them here in this thread so they are not forgotten in their later "businesses":

Mateusz gużda (https://www.facebook.com/mateusz.guzda) - Independant contractor;
runs the site - iPrime Consulting | Independent Contractor of Banners Broker International (http://www.bb.iprimeconsulting.pl/) - responsible for most of the "official" BB meetings in Poland
has a Filipino wife - with which he tried to push Philippines market, strangely enough the photos from some meetings held there have disappeared after some time...
as a bonus You can find quite detailed photo of the Invisible man (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151050162642022&set=a.10150160915847022.305529.843252021&type=1&relevant_count=1) on his fb page

Main pimps:
Wojciech Krupa (https://www.facebook.com/wojciech.krupa.16?ref=ts&fref=ts)
runs the site - www.thebestbroker.pl (http://www.thebestbroker.pl/) and the fb page (https://www.facebook.com/bb.polska)
interesting enough, he posted his e-wallet with over 11k withdrawal

Dawid Jurczyk (https://www.facebook.com/dawid.jurczyk?fref=ts)
runs the site - www.e-bb.pl (http://www.e-bb.pl/) and fb page (https://www.facebook.com/BannersBrokerPL)

Marcin Okonski (https://www.facebook.com/ws.marselo?ref=ts&fref=ts)
runs the fb page (https://www.facebook.com/bannersbroker.poland)
again, noticeably high withdrawal posted, over 19k.

The bonus, tattoo-leg guy Rafał Kujawa (https://www.facebook.com/rafal.kujawa?ref=ts&fref=ts). Not really a pimp, but the non-removable ponzi logo on his leg earned him extra kudos in my book...seriously brainless **** :loser:
runs a more-or-less dead blog - http://rafalkujawa.pl (http://rafalkujawa.pl/)

As for the general things going on in the not so recent past:
1. all of the pimps have officially stated that they are not directly recruiting anymore, just forwarding new people to their downlines
2. all of the pimps have smuggled NEW business opportunities on their profiels, coincidentally during the december-january period. The NEW stuff being: JSS tripler, ADIT, RICI, etc.
3. there is a LOT of drones popping out on the pimp profiles asking questions about, no payments, panels not moving/closing, doubts about the India situation, etc.

Sooo that`s it from me, just want to point out that You are ALL doing a GREAT job in here, and I will stick around for more things to come :)
p.s. sorry for my post-communism grammar :crying_2:

HOWGH!
Welcome to RS! Great info!

[littleroundman]

All of the pimps have smuggled NEW business opportunities on their profiels, coincidentally during the december-january period. The NEW stuff being: JSS tripler,

Heya Ash, and welcome to REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com)

JSS is a "new" business opportunity according to the Polish HYIP ponzi pimps ??

Either they're way behind the times or Polish scammers are scammier than usual if they're still promoting that dead HYIP ponzi.

[Mundorf]

On a more positive not:

Its PAY DAY!

It was pray day

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ76lby1OU6rQWZg51A7mN3HC-IzAUkIaE87STS1uTptG2yp7_S6Q

[Hypanor]

The new BB premises at Carlow Ct look fantastic, no expense spared on the fit out - Those pull-up banners and the wall banner must have cost at least $2000!
And its so large, that the 200 staff they recently employed can be hidden from cameras!

[Grandão]

Parrot marketing also display the classic banners broker ads.

Does anyone else know of any serious professional marketing company that carries these type of ads?
Another minor website designed to give the impression stellar point have large clients!

The content of Parrot's Marketing page Success with Parrot Marketing (http://www.parrotmarketing.com/marketing.html) is just a straight copy from Spork Marketing's 10 Small Business Internet Marketing Tips [url=http://sporkmarketing.com/10-small-business-internet-marketing-tips/[/url]. Maybe they beter change their company name in Copycat Marketing...

[okosh]

It certainly looks as if it is over, FB forums are NOT claiming any payments have been paid (It was supposed to be today......AGAIN).


I'll let you into a little secret about these programs....

The very first delay in payments for ANY reason....OR.....The very first change to the terms or the pay plan.....

This ALWAYS means that the ponzi has begun to implode and that it's game over....

[AshKen1]

The bonus, tattoo-leg guy Rafał Kujawa (https://www.facebook.com/rafal.kujawa?ref=ts&fref=ts). Not really a pimp, but the non-removable ponzi logo on his leg earned him extra kudos in my book...seriously brainless **** :loser:
runs a more-or-less dead blog - http://rafalkujawa.pl (http://rafalkujawa.pl/)

Welcome to realscam ash_x

Re the tattoo bloke - maybe he now needs the money to get that covered up?

As for your post-communism grammar, if you know words like tw*t, I don't think you need to worry about getting the grammar correct.

:RpS_wink:

[Poyol]

Welcome to RealScam.com - look forward to hearing more from you!

[Beacon]

I'll let you into a little secret about these programs....

The very first delay in payments for ANY reason....OR.....The very first change to the terms or the pay plan.....

This ALWAYS means that the ponzi has begun to implode and that it's game over....

Okosh . I wouldn't be so hasty. We were over that "the end is nigh" topic before back around page 79-80 of this discussion. This Ponzi seems to have some legs - what with all the "faithful" victims. Its virulence is comparable to Rasputin. Sometimes it is very difficult to put a bad thing down. Ironically, it seems to be resurging in former Eastern Bloc countries. Although I do detect a note of collapse surpassing any former warnings. The "faithful" are quiet, not complaining about late payments but probably worrying about getting paid. It is a bit like the calm before the storm. So Ill go along with your prediction Okosh and say a hard rain is gonna fall pritty soon.
I think finch and RS had a large part to play in that.

[Poyol]

Okosh . I wouldn't be so hasty. We were over that "the end is nigh" topic before back around page 79-80 of this discussion. This Ponzi seems to have some legs - what with all the "faithful" victims. Its virulence is comparable to Rasputin. Sometimes it is very difficult to put a bad thing down. Ironically, it seems to be resurging in former Eastern Bloc countries. Although I do detect a note of collapse surpassing any former warnings. The "faithful" are quiet, not complaining about late payments but probably worrying about getting paid. It is a bit like the calm before the storm. So Ill go along with your prediction Okosh and say a hard rain is gonna fall pritty soon.
I think finch and RS had a large part to play in that.

First Hitler and now Rasputin ... when are we bringing Churchill into this?

:RpS_wink:

[DevaEboracum]

The BB fans are getting restless of Facebook.


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[Dreamstealer]

Welcome to realscam ash_x


As for your post-communism grammar, if you know words like tw*t, I don't think you need to worry about getting the grammar correct.

:RpS_wink:

In fact if posting about BB, tw*ts and stup*d w*nkers should just about cover it. Welcome to BB.

[Dreamstealer]

In fact if posting about BB, tw*ts and stup*d w*nkers should just about cover it. Welcome to BB.

Oops sorry for the insult- that was welcome to realscam. not BB. I think i must have been infected by stupidity.

[Theseus]

The BB fans are getting restless of Facebook.


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Over 90% of affiliates are paid regularly without issue


UB40 - One in ten - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvcaxumeiKc)

[StevenHoward]

Oops sorry for the insult- that was welcome to realscam. not BB. I think i must have been infected by stupidity.

Things are going to get rather heated today I think, here are some direct quotes from people on a Facebook forum.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Grace :- Please let us know when you get money Rony Torrez, we all need the encouragement.


Eddie :- Yes...this is getting Pathetic.....I want my Money Man.....lol


Danielle :- I am hoping they get all this stuff straight I have 70 cents on my BB Card it needs some funding January looks like a washout. If I can just get enough in the ewallet to withdraw again can't seem to get that since I have over 60 panels that are going s...See More


Kai :- last January was just like this.. we just need to be patient.. nothing we can do about it .. we're gonna be cheerleaders of BB when things get better.. admit it lol.. I admit it


Eddie :- Even Cheerleaders get silent when they are losing the game at a large deficet....We have been cheering for them non stop, singing there praises...not its time for them to get it together.....


Rony T:- i doubt there will be cheering on my part. this is like a bad marriage. no matter how much you try to save it, it just wont work out.. I am not criticizing you guys,but i have many more projects going on and this is just a waste of my time..I noticed i...See More


Eddie :- I hope others have other Avenues of income coming in as well....because contrary to popular belief....something is not adding up here and its my Damn Money......lol


Rony :- the part the concerned me the most is how they washed their hands by saying that panels dont have a fixed time to cap and that they rely on their "traffic" which we have no proof of that its even existent.. all we see is a color bar moving on panels.. ...See More


John :- Hi Rony: Well let us know how it goes. I've got a withdrawl pending also!!

[Hypanor]

The thing is, even if some do get paid in the next day or three, there is now going to be a massive rush on withdrawals as everyone tries to extract as much as they can.

The 'run' is on.... you'd have to be a pretty stupid affiliate to think otherwise.

[Beacon]

First Hitler and now Rasputin ... when are we bringing Churchill into this?

:RpS_wink:

I do prefer black and white examples but ironically a more recent thought I had was slavery.

Ponzi scammers are wont to say "I'm all right jack and I know people making money. Why are you attacking our free investment in a scheme with our own money?"
Now imagine a plantation owner "I know people making money on sugar and tobacco. Why attack our free investment in plantation with our own money?"

the point is plantation were based on slave labour. even when it was legal it was exploitation. Now Ponzis are exploiting most of the ignorant people in it but even if they were legal I would still oppose them.

As for Churchill. Like Cromwell he doesn't rate very highly in Ireland.

You do know in spite of not finding Saddam's WMD there were chemical weapons used in Iraq in that past ?
You are aware who was involved in justifying the use of those chemical weapons as "simply a question of fashion changing as she does between long and short skirts for women"?

Winston Churchill's Secret Poison Gas Memo (http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHU407A.html)

[Theseus]

Things are going to get rather heated today I think, here are some direct quotes from people on a Facebook forum.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Grace :- Please let us know when you get money Rony Torrez, we all need the encouragement.


Eddie :- Yes...this is getting Pathetic.....I want my Money Man.....lol


Danielle :- I am hoping they get all this stuff straight I have 70 cents on my BB Card it needs some funding January looks like a washout. If I can just get enough in the ewallet to withdraw again can't seem to get that since I have over 60 panels that are going s...See More


Kai :- last January was just like this.. we just need to be patient.. nothing we can do about it .. we're gonna be cheerleaders of BB when things get better.. admit it lol.. I admit it


Eddie :- Even Cheerleaders get silent when they are losing the game at a large deficet....We have been cheering for them non stop, singing there praises...not its time for them to get it together.....


Rony T:- i doubt there will be cheering on my part. this is like a bad marriage. no matter how much you try to save it, it just wont work out.. I am not criticizing you guys,but i have many more projects going on and this is just a waste of my time..I noticed i...See More


Eddie :- I hope others have other Avenues of income coming in as well....because contrary to popular belief....something is not adding up here and its my Damn Money......lol


Rony :- the part the concerned me the most is how they washed their hands by saying that panels dont have a fixed time to cap and that they rely on their "traffic" which we have no proof of that its even existent.. all we see is a color bar moving on panels.. ...See More


John :- Hi Rony: Well let us know how it goes. I've got a withdrawl pending also!!

It's best to take a screenshot, otherwise Stern etc will just claim these quotes as lies once they have been deleted.

[Hypanor]

How to make a screenshot - How to make a screen capture - Blogs - RealScam.com - Is it, or isn't it? You Decide. (http://www.realscam.com/blogs/hypanor/194-how-make-screen-capture.html)
.
.

[AshKen1]

New posting on BB Australia Page on Facebook re issues.

https://www.facebook.com/BannersBrokerAustralia?ref=ts&fref=ts

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And an astute comment on the other bb/euro2012 page:



Nikolina Žižek (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1827016968) my ass 2013...you already smell on funeral..but I am still surprised that even with all that blocked accounts you did not run your ponzi few months more?
59 minutes ago · Like (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Banners-Broker-Worldwide-wwwbannersbrokercomeuro2012/461233110561149?ref=ts&fref=ts#)

[AshKen1]

Re the panel movement, I am suddenly reminded about something my mate said. I asked him how long the panels took to go through and got the anodyne response of whatever it was. So I then asked what happened if a panel took longer than expected. "Oh you just phone Support and tell them. They will then move the panel from that website as it's obviously not getting any traffic"

If it's a blind network, they don't know where the panels are, for how long? So how do you move something that you don't know etc etc etc.

Nuff said :(

[littleroundman]

Okosh . I wouldn't be so hasty. We were over that "the end is nigh" topic before back around page 79-80 of this discussion.

Okosh wasn't saying the "end is nigh"

"Smart" HYIP ponzi players are gone at the first hint of slow or delayed payments or even the smallest change in "terms and conditions"

Unfortunately, "smart" HYIP ponzi players make up only a small percentage of "members"

Most of the remainder are either newbies who believe they are involved with a real business, "smartASS" HYIP ponzi players who believe they can beat the system, shills and monitors.

[Poyol]

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Any more to add?

Jason

[Poyol]

Right, guys.

Anyone in America NYC that feels like they've been scammed by Banners Broker let me know.

More information given over PM.

Thanks

Jason

[DevaEboracum]

The BB fans are getting restless of Facebook.


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Surprise surprise, all of the comments have now been deleted.

[Grandão]

Parrot marketing also display the classic banners broker ads.

Does anyone else know of any serious professional marketing company that carries these type of ads?
Another minor website designed to give the impression stellar point have large clients!

The marketing page of Parrot Tips for successful marketing (http://www.parrotmarketing.com/marketing.html), is just a plain copy & paste from Spork Marketing's 10 Small Business Internet Marketing Tips (http://sporkmarketing.com/10-small-business-internet-marketing-tips/). Guess Parrot Marketing better rename themselves in Copycat Marketing...

[Hypanor]

Yeah I love going to the BB facebook pages and seeing "75 comments" and "83 comments" and when you click on them, there's only 6 or 8.

[Jerrygo]

Some of the posts on Finches blog are torture to read through. I think Max might have migrated there.
But Terry Stern still answering questions there, so have to check it now and then. Here most of the posts are short and snappy.

[AshKen1]

Some of the posts on Finches blog are torture to read through. I think Max might have migrated there.
But Terry Stern still answering questions there, so have to check it now and then. Here most of the posts are short and snappy.

Probably due to higher percentage of short and snappy people here ...

That was a joke... kinda... :RpS_wink:

[Poyol]

Short snappy = to the point.

[Brenda]

I think Finchsells and Realscams are a perfect marriage.

Following on from Martin's very supreme analysis , it's mainly a comments forum whereas here at RS, we are constantly coming up with new info and still digging for explanations.

Both forums are all one needs for due diligence, IMO :)

[Banners_Broken]

Hi guys,

I've been monitoring this forum for a while but have yet to make a contribution - partially out of embarrassment I suppose. The usual story: Family member is very enthusiastic about new "business" venture, I take a punt knowing at the back of my mind that it is too good to be true, do my due diligence after the event, and come to the conclusion that BB is a scam (obviously your input here helped). I'm still holding out for my initial investment, though I wouldn't hold my breath. In truth, I had it written off as a bad debt almost immediately. Anyway, I've seen people refer to the very useful Finch articles relating to BB. Take a look at this report created only yesterday which puts BB on the same footing as FB, Google, etc.:

Scoopasia | Press Releases (http://news.scoopasia.com/index.php/news/why_high_profit_companies_like_banners_broker_and_ google_locate_themselves_/)

Note that the name Michael Finch is mentioned at the bottom (bit odd). It's laughable and I'm sure another ploy on the part of BB or an affiliate.

[AshKen1]

I agree Brenda. Must be hell for those in BB hierarchy to deal with. Either someone snaps at them here or they get bored to death by some of the long posts over at Finch. I swear blind that it's a committee response from BB we get as TDS varies between nice and genial to downright rude. Maybe "he" forgets which forum/blog he is on and gets the answers muddled up.

I have no issue with either place. Together a powerful mix!

:RpS_biggrin:

[AshKen1]

Short snappy = to the point.

Was thinking more like being vertically challenged. Probably from living too long under a bridge. Judging myself by these characteristics way long before anyone else by the way.

:RpS_wink:

[Beethoven]

The marketing page of Parrot Tips for successful marketing (http://www.parrotmarketing.com/marketing.html), is just a plain copy & paste from Spork Marketing's 10 Small Business Internet Marketing Tips (http://sporkmarketing.com/10-small-business-internet-marketing-tips/). Guess Parrot Marketing better rename themselves in Copycat Marketing...

Have you considered informing Spork about this?

[noname999]

Some of the posts on Finches blog are torture to read through. I think Max might have migrated there.
But Terry Stern still answering questions there, so have to check it now and then. Here most of the posts are short and snappy.

That lad Bill Lucas doesn't half go on. My brain is numb...:duh:

[Grandão]

Have you considered informing Spork about this?

Already did...

[StevenHoward]

That lad Bill Lucas doesn't half go on. My brain is numb...:duh:

He posts are far too long, he's doing no good at all IMHO.

Don't get me wrong, some of the things he writes about are useful, some are obviously just plain rubbish, but he really needs to learn how to post in a couple of paragraphs at most and not write another "War & Peace".

He reminds me of my ex, she went on and on and on and on and, oh, you get the idea.

[StevenHoward]

noname, PM'd you.

[noname999]

He posts are far too long, he's doing no good at all IMHO.

Don't get me wrong, some of the things he writes about are useful, some are obviously just plain rubbish, but he really needs to learn how to post in a couple of paragraphs at most and not write another "War & Peace".

He reminds me of my ex, she went on and on and on and on and, oh, you get the idea.

:RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol:

He has some good points but they get lost in the pages of nonsense. He has also been caught out in someone his stories. Damages his credibility. I just hope the case against BB doesn't get damaged by association.

[Grandão]

Have you considered informing Spork about this?

On a side note: it's refreshing to see that there are companies where the President (and founder) responds within 5 minutes by email (containing a signature with phone number, twitter account details and Facebook reference). Chris Smith should take this guy as his role model...

[Poyol]

I don't have any PMs waiting for me, unusual and slightly saddening ;)

I'd like to mention that my blog won't be updated - its not worth the hours of work writing an article for 20 unique visitors who aren't new visitors.

*Sigh*

[noname999]

Sorry to hear that P.

[EagleOne]

This is supposed to be the new payment procedure announcement from BB:

Amended January 7, 2013

Effective January 15,2013 all withdrawal requests over the sum of $5,000 and under the sum of $10, 000 must be made to the Banners Broker Prepaid MasterCard.

Any withdrawal requests under $5,000 may be made via the withdrawal options available in your country as per the website.

Any withdrawal amounts exceeding $10, 000 will be governed by the following guidelines:

- Withdrawal requests (exceeding $10 000) will only be processed if you have uploaded notarized I.D., that has been approved by Banners Broker Corporate, in your back office.

- The balance will only be wired to a Business account, which must be registered in the same country as registered by the affiliate on their account. The business bank account must also be located in the same country of registration.

- An invoice drafted requesting publisher revenue owed, on a company letterhead, must accompany each withdrawal request. The invoice must be addressed to Banners Broker International, International Head Office 35 Road Belize City, Belize C.A. You may email these documents to fax@bannersbroker.com, fax them to (1) 905 674 5957 or mail them to Stellar Point who handles all correspondence for Banners Broker International, at 5 Carlow Ct. Whitby, Ontario L1N 9T7.

- Processing time is 90 days and funds must be available in the EWallet at the time of each request.

- Please note that for your withdrawal request to be issued you must have loaded at least $10 000 onto your Banners Broker prepaid MasterCard within 5 weeks of the date of the expected wire.

- Accounts must have a positive dollar amount and be in good standing for the withdrawal request to be processed.

If the Banners Broker Prepaid MasterCard is not available in your country please note:

- The first $5 000 of the requested withdrawal will be paid via your country’s payout option(s).

- The remaining amount of the withdrawal will be paid via bank wire with the same guidelines and restrictions as stated above.

This Withdrawal Policy applies to all current and future affiliates and is a legally binding document. Banners Broker International holds the rights to deny any withdrawal request submitted


This was posted at MMG and was wondering if anyone had seen it anywhere else?

[EagleOne]

Hi guys,

I've been monitoring this forum for a while but have yet to make a contribution - partially out of embarrassment I suppose. The usual story: Family member is very enthusiastic about new "business" venture, I take a punt knowing at the back of my mind that it is too good to be true, do my due diligence after the event, and come to the conclusion that BB is a scam (obviously your input here helped). I'm still holding out for my initial investment, though I wouldn't hold my breath. In truth, I had it written off as a bad debt almost immediately. Anyway, I've seen people refer to the very useful Finch articles relating to BB. Take a look at this report created only yesterday which puts BB on the same footing as FB, Google, etc.:

Scoopasia | Press Releases (http://news.scoopasia.com/index.php/news/why_high_profit_companies_like_banners_broker_and_ google_locate_themselves_/)

Note that the name Michael Finch is mentioned at the bottom (bit odd). It's laughable and I'm sure another ploy on the part of BB or an affiliate.

Welcome to RS and for your contribution to the ongoing saga of BB.

[Della Cate]

Seems pretty quiet right now doesn't it?

Found this small snippet on the "Banners Broker World" (complete with "official" BB logo) Facebook page, posted a few hours ago, for what it is worth:-

Banners Broker have just completed a deal with one of THE BIGGEST brokers in the blind advertising network. This is amazing news for the company and affiliates. BB are going to be massive, one of the major brokers in the world and they have only just got started! Also payments to BB card will soon be automated! Exciting times ahead!

But no clue as to who the "BIGGEST BROKER" is. Perhaps Mr Stern could enlighten us?

[noname999]

He won't be able to say but the claim is its openx...then again they have a different opinion.

[Joe_Shmoe]

This was posted at MMG and was wondering if anyone had seen it anywhere else?

I've seen it Mark Stoke's Facebook group fairly recently.

[Theseus]

Seems pretty quiet right now doesn't it?

Found this small snippet on the "Banners Broker World" (complete with "official" BB logo) Facebook page, posted a few hours ago, for what it is worth:-

Banners Broker have just completed a deal with one of THE BIGGEST brokers in the blind advertising network. This is amazing news for the company and affiliates. BB are going to be massive, one of the major brokers in the world and they have only just got started! Also payments to BB card will soon be automated! Exciting times ahead!

But no clue as to who the "BIGGEST BROKER" is. Perhaps Mr Stern could enlighten us?

I thought the already were dealing with "one of the biggest brokers in the world", or did they forget that?

[noname999]

There's life in the old dog yet:RpS_wink:

[StevenHoward]

There's life in the old dog yet:RpS_wink:

Seems like it,

Yesterday I said "Maybe they will pay out tomorrow" for good reason, I just thought it would be a smart move.

They have paid some, if you ever doubted how good these guys are, here's proof, almost a stroke of genius.

Keep people holding on until they're getting desperate, then bang, make payments without warning, take everyone by surprise.

All their worries disappear, they plough more money and affiliates in.

They almost had me fooled, I really thought this could be the end, but maybe not.

Having said that, if they pay a few, the rest will go quiet for anything up to a week or ten days, or if they do grumble, people who have been paid will say "I've been paid, just wait it's on the way". BB could gain more time, months even.

Or, the people saying they've been paid don't really exist, it's easy to create multiple facebook accounts.

The next few days are going to be even more interesting.

Thoughts anyone ?

[Theseus]

Seems like it,

Yesterday I said "Maybe they will pay out tomorrow" for good reason, I just thought it would be a smart move.

They have paid some, if you ever doubted how good these guys are, here's proof, almost a stroke of genius.

Keep people holding on until they're getting desperate, then bang, make payments without warning, take everyone by surprise.

All their worries disappear, they plough more money and affiliates in.

They almost had me fooled, I really thought this could be the end, but maybe not.

Having said that, if they pay a few, the rest will go quiet for anything up to a week or ten days, or if they do grumble, people who have been paid will say "I've been paid, just wait it's on the way". BB could gain more time, months even.

Or, the people saying they've been paid don't really exist, it's easy to create multiple facebook accounts.

The next few days are going to be even more interesting.

Thoughts anyone ?


Think about it, they have a (claimed) 300,000 member affiliate base, how may of those are on FB or the fora? A few hundred, a few thousand? Say 100 people complain that there's been no payment, all they need do is pay those 100 and hey presto, all is well again in ponziland.

[chinacastle]

Im sure they paid out because you suggested it Steven,lol,.In my opinion you have zero credability on here because you have a foot in both camps.Reading back over previous posts you say you have changed your name so as your account wont be closed.Why dont you want your account closed Steven?,you say its a scam, of course we all know the reason why, its because you are drawing money from your account, taking money from what you call "victims".No problem with that Stevo?lol, course not, see how happy you are now that a payment has been made and you have received yours.Zero credability on here now, of course no one else will say that to your face but you know they will be thinking that exact same thing.Havent been on here since christmas but i had the best laugh ever, even reposted it on other forums Steven at your post where you were shaving the hair off some relation of Chris and taking the glasses off him to make him look like someone else . lmao, they loved it on the other forums,others even reposted it as well, desperate measures huh, ohhh and dont forget he has funny ears as well!!.Could it be Mr.Spock you were creating lol.Enjoy your payment Stevo, people on here wont say it to you, of course not, but they know you are two faced, enjoy your cash, i know i will!! Ahhh im sure it will collapse in Feb now!!!

[littleroundman]

all they need do is pay those 100 and hey presto, all is well again in ponziland.

while making sure anyone even remotely connected to a HYIP monitor is also paid and/or removing any HYIP monitor who dares make a negative comment from their database.

[Beacon]

.In my opinion you have zero credability on here because you have a foot in both camps.


As opposed to you who only tries to attack this forum?


Zero credability on here now, of course no one else will say that to your face but you know they will be thinking that exact same thing.....Enjoy your payment Stevo, people on here wont say it to you, of course not, but they know you are two faced, enjoy your cash, i know i will!! Ahhh im sure it will collapse in Feb now!!!
I'll say it to anyone. Steve is not promoting BB or attacking those who point out it is a scam.
You on the other hand seem to attack the player instead of the playing the ball.
I also doubt anyone at any low to mid level will get anything significant out.
anyway there is one objective measurement

Likes received - Steve 92?
Chinacastle ....Zero

[littleroundman]

I also doubt anyone at any low to mid level will get anything significant out.

I can't be bothered hunting down the actual quote right now, so don't quote me, BUT,

in his initial report, the court appointed receiver for the failed Zeek Rewards HYIP ponzi indicates over 80% of Zeek members will be net losers.

IOW, won't even make enough to cover their initial deposit, much less make a profit.

I see absolutely no reason to assume Banners Broker members will fare any better.

In fact, they will probably suffer more losses.

Zeek was stopped by the authorities just after payments began to slow.

Banners Broker is winding down to its' natural conclusion, i.e. when there's no money left at all.

Every day Banners Broker remains online and "not paying" means more members will be losers.

[Whip]

- An invoice drafted requesting publisher revenue owed, on a company letterhead, must accompany each withdrawal request. The invoice must be addressed to Banners Broker International, International Head Office 35 Road Belize City, Belize C.A. You may email these documents to fax@bannersbroker.com, fax them to (1) 905 674 5957 or mail them to Stellar Point who handles all correspondence for Banners Broker International, at 5 Carlow Ct. Whitby, Ontario L1N 9T7.

OK, so which is it?

[Theseus]

OK, so which is it?

Doesn't matter, the invoice will go straight in the bin regardless of which address it's sent to.

[Justin Casey]

I don't think that this has been posted – apologies if it has.

Not actually a "tour" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_J0yAzmz4Y)

My favourite quote is from Steve Bird at 7:17: "They've invested in a beautiful kitchen facility so everybody gets a good lunch."

If that doesn't refudiate (as Ms Palin might say) the dreamstealers, then nothing will. Look out McDonalds, you're next - after Google obviously.

[Brenda]

That lad Bill Lucas doesn't half go on. My brain is numb...:duh:

hmmm, as my mother in law would say, you have 2 ears and 1 mouth, you should listen twice as much than you would speak!

He is doing better than I could over there so it's a all good to me, but what does confuse me, are his endorsements of Stern's past when we know
- seems he has never held down a long term job
- has moved a number of times in the last while, never good on the old CV, both jobs and home
- sells jewellery on line ( masons) and for Global Wealth Trade who when googled, throw up a number of red flags, one being thrown out of St Maartens when they tried to set up a base there.
- his appointment to SP is clearly as a result of his relationship with David Hooker, also GWT

Just struggling with all this new found respect??

[Brenda]

OK, so which is it?

BB rule book, page 3, article 7, sub section 2, amendment 36d , when in doubt.........eenie, meenie, mynie, moe!

Failing that, as any second hand car salesman would say ( no offence to any second hand car salesmen intended,) ' which one do you want it to be'

[bannersbrokerhelpme]

hi

can someone check and confirm which facebook group is the best to go on

i just tried the search and several groups are on facebook

which one is the best one to look at

i want to find the one people are crying on the most in the UK

[Hypanor]

look at for what?

[bannersbrokerhelpme]

i am looking for banners broker facebook page but there are lots of different ones

[Hypanor]

There are literally dozens of them. Just type 'Banners Broker' into the Facebook search, and click the 'show all results' at the bottom of the list. Then take your pick....!
Many of them repost the same info as each other, and some have more active users than others. Go by the number of 'likes' to find the popular ones.

[bannersbrokerhelpme]

Ok thanks for your help

[Brenda]

i am looking for banners broker facebook page but there are lots of different ones

am afraid to ask you, why?

[sixsigmamb]

Will work on the couple paragraph posts. Sorry, i remind you of your ex. Regardless, i like the thread you got going here. Glad to see other are as pissed off as I am with the scumbags at BB. Bill Lucas

[Hypanor]

This posted on Talkgold (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5060682#post5060682):

My sponsor just got back from visiting the new office space and apparently there were about 100 employees, mostly nerds, working away and most with next to zero communication skills (normally the case for most nerds).

Now, there is no question in my mind that this company needs a non-nerd COO or CEO to oversee operations and ensure that everything runs smoothly and communications are top notch.

Everyone at BB seems to be sincere enough and working away on their 'code' but I believe they do lack what would be call business management experience (no **** sherlock!).

Personally, I believe BB is making money. Nothing they do strikes me as ponzi and when a government agency sniffs around they seem to get their legal people on it and sort it out. (Got some evidence of that?)

Basically, I don't think it is ponzi. But, I do think they need a few MBAs in there to clean it up while the nerds carry on with the 'coding'. (yep, an MBA or two will make it all ok)

Having a great money making idea is not the only ingredient in making a business successful. They really need some management smarts to cover some missing bases.

Still, with all their shortcomings I know plenty of people taking more out of BB than most people on this forum make in a year or two. People making money does not qualify a company for longevity. But, so far so good and BB will have THREE full years of operation under its belt soon and Version 2.9 is about to be launched.

Personally, I was doubtful it would last this long. But, BB is doing all it can to ensure its own long term survival.

All companies, even Lehman Brothers, have a limit on life. But, I think BB might have a few years left in it yet and maybe many more. (Move over Google, now BB is comparable to Lehman Brothers. Oh yeah, what happened to them again? )

[Hypanor]

Just doing the Facebook rounds, and oh look - Terry is on my favourite page (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Banners-Broker-Ponzi-Scam/398614356881465)!

[noname999]

I don't think that this has been posted – apologies if it has.

Not actually a "tour" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_J0yAzmz4Y)

My favourite quote is from Steve Bird at 7:17: "They've invested in a beautiful kitchen facility so everybody gets a good lunch."

If that doesn't refudiate (as Ms Palin might say) the dreamstealers, then nothing will. Look out McDonalds, you're next - after Google obviously.

Was it BB or Stellar they were visiting, had they finished the partition wall yet, and why did they not do the interview there?

Bluffers...

[noname999]

Any idea when the court case in India is?

[noname999]

Will work on the couple paragraph posts. Sorry, i remind you of your ex. Regardless, i like the thread you got going here. Glad to see other are as pissed off as I am with the scumbags at BB. Bill Lucas

Bill, why such admiration for Terry Stern?

[StevenHoward]

Im sure they paid out because you suggested it Steven,lol,.In my opinion you have zero credability on here because you have a foot in both camps.Reading back over previous posts you say you have changed your name so as your account wont be closed.Why dont you want your account closed Steven?,you say its a scam, of course we all know the reason why, its because you are drawing money from your account, taking money from what you call "victims".No problem with that Stevo?lol, course not, see how happy you are now that a payment has been made and you have received yours.Zero credability on here now, of course no one else will say that to your face but you know they will be thinking that exact same thing.Havent been on here since christmas but i had the best laugh ever, even reposted it on other forums Steven at your post where you were shaving the hair off some relation of Chris and taking the glasses off him to make him look like someone else . lmao, they loved it on the other forums,others even reposted it as well, desperate measures huh, ohhh and dont forget he has funny ears as well!!.Could it be Mr.Spock you were creating lol.Enjoy your payment Stevo, people on here wont say it to you, of course not, but they know you are two faced, enjoy your cash, i know i will!! Ahhh im sure it will collapse in Feb now!!!

I've never taken on cent out of Banners Broker and never will.

My account is left running because that allows me to remain members of various forums, including talkingbb

It's driving Iain Sherrif nuts, he's an admin on talkingbb, he knows I'm saving screenshots and whole pages of html from many many posts on there.

I'm actively looking for the guy that is playing the part of Chris Smith and employing all sorts of techniques to see if he's traceable.

Any images I find of males who fit his profile, I look closely at, if that means trying to age someone from ten years ago, that's what I'll do.

When someone mocks what I've done, I start to think MAYBE there's a reason for this.................to put me off the trail perhaps?.

Probably not as you don't seem intelligent enough, but I always bear in mind things like this when people obviously have an ulterior motive.

If there's a photo of "CHRIS SMITH" out there given enough time one of us will find it, that will blow this whole thing wide open.

Well done me old China, you've given me yet more encouragement to keep digging.

BTW, it was me who first posted (on this forum) about the troubles in India, and it was me who found the case listed on the courts website, does that sound like a BB supporter with zero credibility ?.

[noname999]

BTW, it was me who first posted (on this forum) about the troubles in India, and it was me who found the case listed on the courts website, does that sound like a BB supporter with zero credibility ?.

Steve, do you know when the court case is?

[AshKen1]

Just doing the Facebook rounds, and oh look - Terry is on my favourite page (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Banners-Broker-Ponzi-Scam/398614356881465)!

That is really quite funny. Bless him, he is trying :RpS_wink: At least his posts are shorter than usual.

[Mundorf]

Seems like it,

Yesterday I said "Maybe they will pay out tomorrow" for good reason, I just thought it would be a smart move.

They have paid some, if you ever doubted how good these guys are, here's proof, almost a stroke of genius.

Keep people holding on until they're getting desperate, then bang, make payments without warning, take everyone by surprise.

All their worries disappear, they plough more money and affiliates in.

They almost had me fooled, I really thought this could be the end, but maybe not.

Having said that, if they pay a few, the rest will go quiet for anything up to a week or ten days, or if they do grumble, people who have been paid will say "I've been paid, just wait it's on the way". BB could gain more time, months even.

Or, the people saying they've been paid don't really exist, it's easy to create multiple facebook accounts.

The next few days are going to be even more interesting.

Thoughts anyone ?

......and this chaotic and messy thing has just completed a deal with one of THE BIGGEST brokers in the blind advertising network??....THE BIGGEST....not BIG what would be already a joke but THE BIGGEST....To me it sounds more like a big S.O.S .last atempt to additionaly full already fulled victims and to squeeze some more coins in empty sack...sooner the end,bigger the lies

[Beacon]

This posted on Talkgold (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5060682#post5060682):

My sponsor just got back from visiting the new office space and apparently there were about 100 employees, mostly nerds, working away ]

I think your sponsor was lying because i would be surprised if ther were even five people present let alone "working" there. did he show you a photo of these 100 people or get the names of say ten of them? the office pictures which we have dont show space for 100 people . It has about ten office spaces and about as many lunch spaces. No way do I believe ther are 100 people there. And we can confirm this through Duram Energy who share the building and whose name is still on the door.

[Beacon]

Any idea when the court case in India is?


Bare Acts | Law Library | AdvocateKhoj (http://www.advocatekhoj.com/library/bareacts/codeofcriminalprocedure/index.php?)

seems she ( Ms Ana Luisa Onofre Alves Bento) is held under Section 438



438.Direction for grant of bail to person apprehending arrest.-

(1) When any person has reason to believe that he may be arrested on an accusation of having committed a non-bailable offence, he may apply to the High Court or the Court of Session for a direction under this section; and that Court may, if it thinks fit, direct that in the event of such arrest, he shall be released on bail.

(2) When the High Court or the Court of Session makes a direction under sub-section (1), it may include such conditions in such directions in the light of the facts of the particular case, as it may think fit, including-

(i) a condition that the person shall make himself available for interrogation by a police officer as and when required;

(ii) a condition that the person shall not, directly or indirectly, make any inducement, threat or promise to any person acquainted with the facts of the case so as to dissuade him from disclosing such facts to the Court or to any police officer;

(iii) a condition that the person shall not leave India without the previous permission of the Court;

(iv) such other condition as may be imposed under sub-section (3) of section 437, as if the bail were granted under that section.

(3) If such person is thereafter arrested without warrant by an officer in charge of a police station on such accusation, and is prepared either at the time of arrest or at any time while in the custody of such officer to give bail, he shall be released on bail; and if a Magistrate taking cognizance of such offence decides that a warrant should issue in the first instance against that person, he shall issue a bailable warrant in conformity with the direction of the Court under sub-section (1).


It seems to me Ms Bento is allowed out on bail under her own recognisance until this case progresses but should she approach anyone else involved in the case e.g. the actual owner of BB India Limited or try to leave the country she will end up in the slammer again.

[AshKen1]

@Steve Howard



Well done me old China, you've given me yet more encouragement to keep digging.

I now wonder if it's the Return of the Shill - the BB Empire Strikes Back (Episode 347 of BB Wars).

Nothing for ages then lo!! - what's that I see? - a head above the BB parapet.

Questioning your credibility? You must be hitting a few nerves on a regular basis.

Keep digging Steve :RpS_smile:

[littleroundman]

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/gazillionaire.jpg

Post #1452 (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5060682&postcount=1452) and post #1454 (http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5061110&postcount=1454) in the Banners Broker thread on the Talkgold HYIP ponzi forum

[Beacon]

2881Linkedin Group owner Kamil promotes discusses BB as an "investment" and the "return on investment" with another affilliate.

[Theseus]

Was it BB or Stellar they were visiting, had they finished the partition wall yet, and why did they not do the interview there?

Bluffers...

It was BB, but ya see BB work on "da inturnet", so they have no need for offices, or staff, or anything else that a real company would have.

I'm surprised that none of the BB faithful questioned why, at the Doublin', sorry Dublin event, it was announced BB had bought 5 Carlow (or Carlaw as Terry calls it) Court, and then handed it over to an "independent" company to use.

Surely if it was bought directly with BB money it should be their HQ?

[littleroundman]

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc153/thelittleroundman/scams%202/banmmg.jpg

Banners Broker thread, MMG HYIP ponzi forum (http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Banners-Broker-bannersb-t360913.html&view=findpost&p=7456166#entry7456166)

[noname999]

Just saw that LRM. I'm speechless at the stupidity.

If anyone falls for that one they deserve what they get. Will be interesting to see if it gains traction with the drones. I'm sure google will be delighted...:duh:

One of them is also calling Smith, Jesus Christ. Then again, that Blacknight was always a plonker.

[NikSam]

Stellar Point INC.
Corporation Number: 7250037
Business Numbe: 845669266RC0001
Directors: Gloria Dixit, Rajiv Dixit
Address:
100 KING STREET WEST
SUITE 5700
TORONTO ON M5X 1C7

Name Change History:
2009-09-28 - 2012-02-22 7250037 CANADA INC.
2012-02-22 - 2012-07-30 Bannersbroker Limited
2012-07-30 - Present Stellar Point INC.


So who is Terry Stern ? and doesn't it make Stellar Point = Bannersbroker ?

[Finix]

If anyone falls for that one they deserve what they get.
Falls for what? Santana was being sarcastic. He isn't pimping BB, he is pimping sh!t in his own signature with quite reasonable posts in the BB thread.

[Theseus]

Stellar Point INC.
Corporation Number: 7250037
Business Numbe: 845669266RC0001
Directors: Gloria Dixit, Rajiv Dixit
Address:
100 KING STREET WEST
SUITE 5700
TORONTO ON M5X 1C7

Name Change History:
2009-09-28 - 2012-02-22 7250037 CANADA INC.
2012-02-22 - 2012-07-30 Bannersbroker Limited
2012-07-30 - Present Stellar Point INC.


So who is Terry Stern ? and doesn't it make Stellar Point = Bannersbroker ?

It's all explained on this thread. If you want the "official" BB/Stellar Point fairytale version then that's on the other (http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-question-answers-1924/) thread, along with a load of evidence as to why it's nonsense...

[NikSam]

It's all explained on this thread. If you want the "official" BB/Stellar Point fairytale version then that's on the other (http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-question-answers-1924/) thread, along with a load of evidence as to why it's nonsense...

Thanks, it is just indicates dumbness of Ted Stern.
BBI is in offshore / Belize , therefore is the same as not having any corporation at all, who takes those corporations seriously except some other offshore jurisdictions.
those corporations just one-click shopping on the net and booms you got one, it got to the point as easy as buying a domain name.
So technically he says that BB is a client of SP, how can a company be its own client? (note Belize corporation is worth nothing, it is a joke)

[Theseus]

They say imitation (http://www.copyscape.com/view.php?o=33630&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bannerstock.net%2Findex.php%2Ff aq&t=1359120782&s=http%3A%2F%2Fbannersbroker.com%2Fmain%2Fprivacy_ policy_int&w=40&i=2&r=10) is the sincerest form of flattery.....

2886

Sounds mighty familiar :RpS_lol:


2883

You might want to get your crack legal team on to that one, Terrence, so here's a little helping hand....

2885


Go get 'em, drage 'em through the courts, let them know that lying, cheating scum like that just won't be toler...oh...wait...:RpS_wink:

[Poyol]

They say imitation (http://www.copyscape.com/view.php?o=33630&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bannerstock.net%2Findex.php%2Ff aq&t=1359120782&s=http%3A%2F%2Fbannersbroker.com%2Fmain%2Fprivacy_ policy_int&w=40&i=2&r=10) is the sincerest form of flattery.....

2886

Sounds mighty familiar :RpS_lol:


2883

You might want to get your crack legal team on to that one, Terrence, so here's a little helping hand....

2885


Go get 'em, drage 'em through the courts, let them know that lying, cheating scum like that just won't be toler...oh...wait...:RpS_wink:

Source code for the page:


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Oh, that sounds familiar.

Jason

[littleroundman]

Just saw that LRM. I'm speechless at the stupidity.

If anyone falls for that one they deserve what they get. Will be interesting to see if it gains traction with the drones. I'm sure google will be delighted...:duh:

One of them is also calling Smith, Jesus Christ. Then again, that Blacknight was always a plonker.

The sad thing is "dealman" didn't even realize Strosdegoz' was being sarcastic.

Anyone who still thinks logic and reason are going to work on the "dealmans" of the HYIP ponzi world is kidding themselves.

[Brenda]

2881Linkedin Group owner Kamil promotes discusses BB as an "investment" and the "return on investment" with another affilliate.

failing all else, you can always have a good '**** down' with Manfred !

[Hypanor]

Hi guys,

I've been monitoring this forum for a while but have yet to make a contribution - partially out of embarrassment I suppose. The usual story: Family member is very enthusiastic about new "business" venture, I take a punt knowing at the back of my mind that it is too good to be true, do my due diligence after the event, and come to the conclusion that BB is a scam (obviously your input here helped). I'm still holding out for my initial investment, though I wouldn't hold my breath. In truth, I had it written off as a bad debt almost immediately. Anyway, I've seen people refer to the very useful Finch articles relating to BB. Take a look at this report created only yesterday which puts BB on the same footing as FB, Google, etc.:

[Link Removed - see original post]

Note that the name Michael Finch is mentioned at the bottom (bit odd). It's laughable and I'm sure another ploy on the part of BB or an affiliate.
That article is just ridiculous. And then this bit at the end "Michael Finch is the author of a popular internet marketing blog" to try compete in the google searching ranks with another rather popular blog (http://finchsells.com/2012/12/20/banners-broker-scam-update/)...

[Brenda]

I don't think that this has been posted – apologies if it has.

Not actually a "tour" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_J0yAzmz4Y)

My favourite quote is from Steve Bird at 7:17: "They've invested in a beautiful kitchen facility so everybody gets a good lunch."

If that doesn't refudiate (as Ms Palin might say) the dreamstealers, then nothing will. Look out McDonalds, you're next - after Google obviously.

Nice one Justin, welcome to RS.

[Unknown_S]

So who is Terry Stern ? and doesn't it make Stellar Point = Bannersbroker ?

Terence D Stern aka Scarab...

In 2004 his website looked as follows terrystern.com - Graphic and Web Designer (http://web.archive.org/web/20040604234442/http://terrystern.com/)

He forgot to replace "your company" with "terrystern" on the Contacts page. So, the template wasn't his own. I guess he only knows about graphics design and not coding.


In 2005 he needed some help with vBulletin vBulletin.org Forum - Search Results (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/search.php?searchid=20685977). To do with this site I dare say Admins and Mods - Page 2 - TBCS Community Forums (http://www.thebestcasescenario.com/forum/showthread.php?p=51600#post51600)

Has a resume here Terry Stern :: Graphic / Texture Artist - My Resume (http://www.terrystern.com/resume.html)

Funny is the line referencing Thebestcasescenario.com: - Successfully increased the traffic flow from 1-3 million visitors each month to between 20 and 40 million worldwide.

According to this site Google+ May Have Passed 62 Million Users (http://thenextweb.com/google/2011/12/27/google-may-have-passed-62-million-users-adding-625000-users-daily/) Google.com had 62 million visitors in the month of December 2011.

Terence claims to have boosted Thebestcasescenario.com's traffic to 40 million back in 2005. Talk about hyping up your resume.

Not hard to see why he fits in at Stellar Point with the other scam artists.


Not sure if any of that is useful, but I'm sure there's a lot more info on this loud mouth out there, somewhere...

[Brenda]

I don't think that this has been posted – apologies if it has.

Not actually a "tour" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_J0yAzmz4Y)

My favourite quote is from Steve Bird at 7:17: "They've invested in a beautiful kitchen facility so everybody gets a good lunch."

If that doesn't refudiate (as Ms Palin might say) the dreamstealers, then nothing will. Look out McDonalds, you're next - after Google obviously.

just wondered who the interviewees were, not a very 'international ' mix , hmmmm

Ghobril - ex Numis, there is that connection again, Linkedin shows he has not held a job for up to a year since '95, oh and he operates from New York!!! BB USA, and they said it couldn't be done!
Baker - seems to be a myth debunker for BB, mentioned here before on pg 181 here is his video
Its time for a Banners Broker review from the inside. Scam Warning Fraudsters Unite? | Syndication Marketing With Viral Blogs (http://www.empowernetwork.com/imagine/its-time-for-a-banners-broker-review-from-the-inside-scam-warning-fraudsters-unite/?id=imagine)

Gignac - seems quite unknown, fews 'likes' for BB here and there but doesn't seem to be a player
Broadfoot - ditto for Gignac but seems lovely and soooooo happy to be there lol
Bird - and same again, nothing turns up at a quick glance

seems to have been recorded by Garth Whitney whose other Oscars nominated youtube video is here, oh and btw, I couldn't listen, watched it on mute but it does give a clear image of some of the bigger BB players around the place and confirms who they are.

Banners Broker Portugal Millionaires Club - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMpUBvzj5_U)

[Beacon]

Just doing the Facebook rounds, and oh look - Terry is on my favourite page (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Banners-Broker-Ponzi-Scam/398614356881465)!
And he says:


If BBI is going to start pursuing legal action, it won't take long before people know about it, until then and until I feel it's necessary, I'm going to address as much of the misinformation being put out there as I can.


Banners Broker said they were taking action against
Here is what they stated earlier
Note the date and the bit in bold


Further to the Banners Broker International Leadership Webinar of Wednesday, June 20, 2012 this is to formerly advise all Affiliate Members of the following;


1.Dr. Lieven Van Neste has been terminated as an Independent Affiliate Member and he is NO longer associated or affiliated with Banners Broker International and/or any of its Affiliate Companies in any manner whatsoever.
2.Effective immediately, Dr. Lieven Van Neste is NOT authorized and/or permitted to directly or indirectly make withdrawals from the account of any Banners Broker Affiliate Member.
3.Any BB Affiliate who continues to be associated with or to assist Dr. Van Neste to access accounts and make withdrawals, whether directly or indirectly, will be considered to be in violation of the Policies and Procedures, Terms and Conditions of Banners Broker International. Any such involvement will result in the immediate suspension and/or termination of all rights and privileges of said Affiliates.
4.In the event Banners Broker International discovers that Dr. Lieven Van Neste and/or his associates are accessing accounts, making withdrawals, and/or changing passwords of any Banners Broker Affiliate those accounts will be immediately frozen indefinitely until such time as the owner of the account will be notified and asked to contact Banners Broker International in order to take the freeze off the said account.
5.Banners Broker International has retained the services of a reputable and professional Law Firm in Ireland and they have been instructed to proceed with whatever legal action they deem necessary to enforce the Cease and Desist Order issued to Dr. Lieven Van Neste and which he continues to ignore and defy.
6.Any Affiliate found to be associate with Dr. Lieven Van Neste and assisting him to disrupt, attack or besmirch Banners Broker International and/or its affiliate companies, shareholders, officers, directors, and/or employees in any manner whatsoever may face suspension and/or termination of their rights and privileges as a Banners Broker International Independent Affiliate Member, including but not limited to freezing of their accounts.

These requests will be strictly enforced to the fullest extent of the law and in accordance with the Policies and Procedures, Terms and Conditions of Banners Broker International.

Rajiv Dixit
Chief Operating Officer and Compliance Office


But they were lying then and they are lying now!

They didnt retain any legal firm.
They said the same in Dublin - that they had retained a "crack legal team" to deal with finch and RS and others . No legal team ever materialised. All that materialised was Terry.
It will take long Terry It will take forever and a day because they are lying about it! They haven't retained anyone and therefore "it won't take long before people know about it" is just another lie because or the other option - you believed they were telling the truth but you now freely admit they were lying but you didnt know about them lying? so were you both lying Terry or was it only your employer was lying?

[NikSam]

Terry is probably asking for raise, he didn't sign up for it.
Mean lying thru teeth and being regular PR there is huge $ difference.

[AshKen1]

Terry is probably asking for raise, he didn't sign up for it.
Mean lying thru teeth and being regular PR there is huge $ difference.

Don't think he gets money, he gets paid in red and blank black panels.... :RpS_wink:

Crikey - if ever there was a Freudian slip about panels, that was it.

:duh:

[Della Cate]

Just as a matter of interest, I found this character promoting BB as a "straightline downline cycler"

Banners Broker Straightline Downline - (http://bobbywhatamanjackson.com/banners-broker-straightline-downline/)

Apologies if the above link does not work, I'm rubbish at that, but you can go to the website ans read for yourself. Mr B.W Jackson is an American, I note, and I thought that Terry Stern said (either here or on Finch's blog) that they did not operate in the USA? Unfortunately the blog entry seems undated, so i suspect it is an old one.....but still plainly visible. Below is a cut and paste, to give a flavour.

Is this the secret of BB's operation, I wonder? It had the big BB logo on....

First, an introduction about Banners Broker Straightline Downline

Banners Broker IS giving away for free, text Ad Spots to all Opt-in members. With Text Ads, you may add up to 10 URLs of the programs you are promoting and we display these links on all of our pages and affiliate sites. We are optimized for Google Indexing, so your links will be part of the viral distribution.
Banners Broker Straightline Downline is the world’s first Straightline Cyler Doubler!

We all know the main advantage of a Straightline Downline… everyone who registers after you are in your downline. However what other admins have not yet figured out, is to keep it going when the straightline gets too long for members to make money. With Banners Broker we took a simple concept and provided a simple solution:

Banners Broker Straightline Downline doesn’t pay you based on the number of people in the downline, we simply double what you bought based on a first come first serve basis. If you bought $20 worth of Banner Panels, you can sell them at double your buying price, with an automatic re-entry. Either take your money out or keep it in to double again and again. Where else can you put in $20 and have it double multiple times to $10,000? No recruiting is necessary, but if you do refer others you will double even faster based on our proprietary perfected doubling system!
First Pay = First Paid

The quicker you BUY your Banners Broker Ads, the quicker you can place them in a pool to be sold to next set of people buying Ads. It is that simple… First to buy will be first to sell and double your money over and over.
How does BANNERSBROKER work?

1) BUY a Banner Ad Panel Package (packages listed below)

2) BANNERS BROKER will automatically SELL your Banner Impressions on your behalf within the Banners Broker Marketplace at DOUBLE the value you paid for it!

3) BANNERS BROKER automatically re-enter half to keep doubling, and you are free to withdraw the rest.

4) Double twice automatically, and to keep doubling we need you to bring eyeballs to the site to satisfy the banner impressions. Therefore for every 2 people you refer, you are entitled to double again!

Banners Broker Straightline Downline is the only place you can turn $20 into $10,000 while blasting your banners of ANY program you wish?
AVAILABLE PACKAGES

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$55 Basic Pack
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[Theseus]

Don't think he gets money, he gets paid in red and blank panels.... :RpS_wink:

Maybe he's building a new house out of them...

[AshKen1]

Maybe he's building a new house out of them...

Amended post. Makes more sense now, just about. Long week.

[hendyphilhendy]

I have heard that this is the venue for the world tour in 'Manchester' Whites Address: Whites, De Havilland Way, Bolton, Greater Manchester, BL6 6SF (http://www.deverevenues.co.uk/locations/whites/directions.html)
(Actually in Bolton)

I will try and verify elsewhere but this is from the Q&A update today.

[Joe_Shmoe]

Latest news from Terry Stern's Ponzi Scheme.

Some bloke who's real name we don't know is speaking

Update from Top Scammer Twice Ya Money Guy (No not double, twice it's different don't you know!)

Banners Broker News Update by Founder Chris Smith | Mark Stokes (http://www.mark-stokes.com/banners-broker-news-update-by-founder-chris-smith/)

http://www.mark-stokes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/IMG_1056.jpg
Friday Q&A UPdate Webinar Notes:
Chris Smith speaking http://www.mark-stokes.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif
Updates:
India – good news in reference to payouts in India. We have a new provider that can wrap up the previous bank deposit situation. anyone expeccting bank deposits, you will soon see them in your acccounts. We gave them all info today. Hopefully within one week. Bank option will be removed today as we are replacing it with something else. In a couple weeks time you will have a new method of withdrawal and will be quicker. India is challenging, but we are glad to have a solution.
We are definitely behind but are catching up rapidly with BB Cards, STP, Payza and Bank deposits. You will see activity over the weekend and in the coming week.
We apologize for the delay. No excuses, except that we have alot going on from our side, 2.9 coming out soon. There is no excuse and we apologize very much, and we want to get you paid more quickly in the future.
BB Card now has a separate area for withdrawal. This is part of the new process. We are slightly behind, about a week behind, but we are catching up quickly. February you will see a smooth process of 15 calendar days for Premium and Standard 20 calendar days. It used to be “business day”, 7 and 15 days. Business days if Mon-Friday, so 7 days could be 9-11 calendar days. What we noticed is that we want a more realistic payout time, so now it is 15 Calendar days (Premium) and 20 for Standard. New membership type is Executive and that will be faster payout times.
UK Tour coming shortly. Feb 21st to 24th. to go www.thebbtour.com (http://www.thebbtour.com). We put this together quickly and more will be available soon. Look out for more this afternoon.
World Tours will be a quarterly event throughout the world. We are looking forward to the UK World Tour, please take part in this. David Hooker is there now. Lorenzo has been there scouting out things for the New UK arena. A new Stellar Point office will be opened in the UK. David Hooker is there to make sure we stay strong in the UK and support is strong for the UK.
BB Card update — we just added the REVERSE button. So if you change your mind and want to reverse that, you now can. The reverse option has always been available for all options, in case you change your mind after inputing your withdrawal.
Updates more:
Survey for the new package and panel. It was a landslide for the top 3 choices. The top #1 was PRESTIGE.
(*) PRESTIGE is the new name of the new package and panel!! http://www.mark-stokes.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif
No color – we are going with more of a prestigious pattern/design. You will see it when it comes out. It will look very sleek!! Very “prestigious” http://www.mark-stokes.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif
Executive Membership: $500/mo
Traffic Boosters discount – $4
Withdrawals – 10 calendar days
Support – Personalized support line for these members.
Our growth rate is rapidly growing. Exciting news — enormous increases in the last week!!! With this comes additional phone calls to support. This has clogged up the lines a bit, so for the Executive Membership you will have a dedicated line.
BB Business Profile Page – I am excited about this, something you can have to promote yourself. A personal paragraph that you can write about yourself – this will be out on the internet and people can respond to your profile. You will basically have your own BB Blog. This will be a heavy promotional tool. Rather than giving people your main BB referral URL, you give them your Blog link. This will be indexed with Google for traffic. You will have the ability to edit and see comments and plaster the net with alot of pages — the more pages we have on the net, the more advertising we can sell. You can promote other things on your page. This will bring revenue in from your personal page.
Executive package will be out soon.
Traffic Packs. 10 or more for new people will automatically be Exevutive. If you currently have 10 there will be grandfather clause for you for a period of time. You will not be forced to upgrade. there will be a reasonable period of time within which to upgrade. Leaders and BB executives with larger accounts will want to upgrade right away, of course http://www.mark-stokes.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif
Executive membership does “not” include any TP’s, that is a separate purchase/subscription
Version 2.9 we will introduce incentive traffic. Simply, if you create a blog, YouTube testimonial or whatever, there will now be an incentive to do this, and this will earn you traffic to qualify your panels. Very shortly!
1 TP = standard
2-9 TP = Premium
10 and above = Executive (new members)
Q&A:
Payouts discussed above. Payza, India, USA and STP will be seen over the weekend and early next week.
How do we get traffic into our color banks?
By signing up new members as referrals.
Panel Speeds???
The panel speeds – keep in mind we just came off of the Christmas holidays, and things are alot slower. Such as the amount of hits on actual sites. There are NO SET TIMEFRAMES. it’s 100% based on the activity on the Internet. It is definitaly slower around the holidays. In the spring they should return to what they were. Also, we have lots of work being done on the new Version, so that also.
As of February 1st – just to give you background.. we started in 2010 and there was no need for ID, 2011 now that we have the BB card, there are now requirements for ID’s for that. It is now manadatory as of February 1, 2013 to have an ID uploaded into the system in order to make a withdrawal by ANY method!!!
BB Tour Poland is April. We do not have city or date yet. Keep posted and that will come shortly. Poland is doing a fantastic job with sales.
Niagra Falls – Ontario – June/July
End of November – Carribbean Islands
I am excited. WE have seen 2 weeks of increased sales and new affiliates. You are doing alot of work in the field. Keep up the good work. We will talk to you soon. Have a great day!!
End of webinar
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[Brenda]

in the history of 'business' did you ever see a 'business' carry on with such spluttering and tripping it's way around! Payments and payments methods are subject no 1 on every webinar, it is their biggest issue, yet, without fail, more spluttering and tripping and it's always down the road solutions, never permanently fixed! Can you imagine facebook, after 3 yrs still trying to fix the same basic problem? GO PAYPAL!!!

Anyway, rant over, did our Terry not state something about not wanting/ needing/ recruiting any more into the programme to show it could survive without them or am I dreaming it?

[AshKen1]

in the history of 'business' did you ever see a 'business' carry on with such spluttering and tripping it's way around! Payments and payments methods are subject no 1 on every webinar, it is their biggest issue, yet, without fail, more spluttering and tripping and it's always down the road solutions, never permanently fixed! Can you imagine facebook, after 3 yrs still trying to fix the same basic problem? GO PAYPAL!!!

Anyway, rant over, did our Terry not state something about not wanting/ needing/ recruiting any more into the programme to show it could survive without them or am I dreaming it?

Paypal? That's safe... At the risk of sounding crude here: It's the different "withdrawal methods" that BB are using here - everyone keeps on getting screwed...

[Theseus]

We are looking forward to the UK World Tour

Oooh, are we all going?

[Joe_Shmoe]

did our Terry not state something about not wanting/ needing/ recruiting any more into the programme to show it could survive without them or am I dreaming it?



Looks like they have a new word for recruiting they now call it SALES :RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol:



Chris Smith "Poland is doing a fantastic job with sales" :RpS_rolleyes:

[hendyphilhendy]

the more pages we have on the net, the more advertising we can sell.

I thought BB didn't sell advertising this week? :duh:

Advertising sales is so last year

[Brenda]

Paypal? That's safe... At the risk of sounding crude here: It's the different "withdrawal methods" that BB are using here - everyone keeps on getting screwed...

very funny Ashken! I was being sarcastic about the paypal thing, of course it would never suit them to have it, nor would they get it. Doubters, ask yourselves why and why.

BTW, did you see the post on Martin's blog stating that Chris Smith is ex onlineincome? Have youtube of that Chris speaking but don't think it's ours?? Sounds Jamacian, listen to it and see what jamaica that. (see, we can all crack poor jokes;)

Net Income Solutions. spend 1-2 hours a day online make $1500 a month - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwFTlLtI98Q)

[Della Cate]

very funny Ashken! I was being sarcastic about the paypal thing, of course it would never suit them to have it, nor would they get it. Doubters, ask yourselves why and why.

BTW, did you see the post on Martin's blog stating that Chris Smith is ex onlineincome? Have youtube of that Chris speaking but don't think it's ours?? Sounds Jamacian, listen to it and see what jamaica that. (see, we can all crack poor jokes;)

Net Income Solutions. spend 1-2 hours a day online make $1500 a month - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwFTlLtI98Q)

Ah, but funnily enough, when I heard the BB Chris Smith speaking, I thought I detected a Jamaican/West Indian tone to the accent. Overlaid with a transatlantic twang....but it was still in there, I thought.

[Brenda]

Ah, but funnily enough, when I heard the BB Chris Smith speaking, I thought I detected a Jamaican/West Indian tone to the accent. Overlaid with a transatlantic twang....but it was still in there, I thought.

he introduces himself as Chris something that I can't pick up, is it Steeles?? Anyone else make out his name. It always made more sense for him not to be Canadian, whoever Smith is. This recording goes back to 2009, one can change vocal twangs in that time, easy.

[StevenHoward]

he introduces himself as Chris something that I can't pick up, is it Steeles?? Anyone else make out his name. It always made more sense for him not to be Canadian, whoever Smith is. This recording goes back to 2009, one can change vocal twangs in that time, easy.

I've not listened to it yet (wife's watching TV in the same room), BUT at the top of the page, on the right, it says "Welcome Chrisdeals".

[StevenHoward]

https://twitter.com/Chris_Deals

?

[Joe_Shmoe]

he introduces himself as Chris something that I can't pick up, is it Steeles?? Anyone else make out his name. It always made more sense for him not to be Canadian, whoever Smith is. This recording goes back to 2009, one can change vocal twangs in that time, easy.

No it's Chris Deals his name is in the YouTube video. However he sounds nothing like our "Chris Smith" to me. Our "Chris Smith has a deeper voice.

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You beat me by three mins Steven :RpS_smile:

[StevenHoward]

Chris Deals's Photos | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4064371657669&set=a.4064371537666.169943.1533584963&type=3&theater)

Not him, pity.

Same sort of business though.

[Theseus]

Ah, but funnily enough, when I heard the BB Chris Smith speaking, I thought I detected a Jamaican/West Indian tone to the accent. Overlaid with a transatlantic twang....but it was still in there, I thought.

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From a video of the Four Million Dollar Man in action...


Ian Driscoll

There's my friend Jeff, I met Jeff in December (2011) in Toronto, Canada, where I touched the building, met all the programming staff, met Chris Smith, the owner.... and we're like brothers, although Chris is from Jamaica originally

[Brenda]

Chris Deals's Photos | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4064371657669&set=a.4064371537666.169943.1533584963&type=3&theater)

Not him, pity.

Same sort of business though.

how old could that photo be? Defo not him?

[Joe_Shmoe]

how old could that photo be? Defo not him?

At most about three years old.
Stitcher Smart Radio started December 2009 according to Wiki.

Don't know about YooSayToo they might be even newer.

It's Defo not him.

[Theseus]

how old could that photo be? Defo not him?

Are we working on the theory that all black men look alike? :RpS_wink:

[sixsigmamb]

Affiliate screams at Terry Stern that he is unhappy about how he is being paid through the BB Ponzi Scheme
Terry Stern, publicly states that payment times will improve

I am completely amazed how TS could be that stupid. Call me stupid, but if I had been TS, once an affiliate told me that he was aware of the Ponzi scheme and was still in it, all conversations would of ceased. They should of brought in that crack legal team because it is apparent that TS must be on crack!!!!! LMAO

Bill Lucas

[sixsigmamb]

Well at least you got to give the scumbags at BB credit for running an equal opportunity Ponzi scheme. Even a black man can get ripped off. Only in Canada. LMAO

Bill Lucas

[Joe_Shmoe]

We apologize for the delay. No excuses, except that we have alot going on from our side, 2.9 coming out soon. There is no excuse and we apologize very much, and we want to get you paid more quickly in the future.

I love the way they apologise, say there no excuses, then give an excuse. :RpS_smile:

We are all very busy "Chris", we are all very busy. Your supposed to be a freaking genius "Chris" sort it out dude :RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol:

[sixsigmamb]

Terry is probably asking for raise, he didn't sign up for it.
Mean lying thru teeth and being regular PR there is huge $ difference.

If they are paying Terry Stern more than a buck an hour, their stupidity would far exceed my expectations. Terry Stern has got to be the most stupid moron on the face of this planet. (Bill Lucas)

[StevenHoward]

No, it's not him, another dead end.

I've an idea how to increase the chances of finding him, will take me a few days to arrange, I'll post back when I've sorted it out.

[sixsigmamb]

I love the way they apologise, say there no excuses, then give an excuse. :RpS_smile:

We are all very busy "Chris", we are all very busy. Your supposed to be a freaking genius "Chris" sort it out dude :RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol:

Do not be mislead by idiots or you will become their idiot. Case in point, Terry Stern (Bill Lucas was here)

[sixsigmamb]

Do not be mislead by idiots or you will become their idiot. Case in point, Terry Stern (Bill Lucas was here)

I wonder what book they use for coming up with all the BS they shovel? Bullshit for Dummies? Guide for crackheads who run a Ponzi scheme? You too can be a scumbag crack head in just 49 easy lessons?

[NikSam]

Congratulations on 300 pages anniversary :)

[Della Cate]

Some more info on the possible origins of Mr Smith - as a Jamaican. From a website called !All events in Port of Spain". (The bold is mine)

Dated November 22nd 2012.

Chris Smith, the owner and co-founder of Banners Broker International, an Online Advertising company with a difference, is coming to Trinidad and Tobago for the very first time.

- Come see how this business model has made it possible for many to earn significant income online.

- Come learn how you can earn this income as well

- Internet Advertising business, based on Google

- Not based on MLM, Network Marketing nor Ponzi principles.

- No 'Levels' (Gold, Ruby, etc.). All have equal opportunity to earn.

- One of the most successful advertising businesses started by a 'black' man (Jamaican born)

- Over 170,000 affiliates worldwide and growing.

- Legitimate business with offices located in Belize, Canada, Ireland, UK, India, Portugal, Cyprus and T&T!!!

[Theseus]

Some more info on the possible origins of Mr Smith - as a Jamaican. From a website called !All events in Port of Spain". (The bold is mine)

Dated November 22nd 2012.

Chris Smith, the owner and co-founder of Banners Broker International, an Online Advertising company with a difference, is coming to Trinidad and Tobago for the very first time.

- Come see how this business model has made it possible for many to earn significant income online.

- Come learn how you can earn this income as well

- Internet Advertising business, based on Google

- Not based on MLM, Network Marketing nor Ponzi principles.

- No 'Levels' (Gold, Ruby, etc.). All have equal opportunity to earn.

- One of the most successful advertising businesses started by a 'black' man (Jamaican born)

- Over 170,000 affiliates worldwide and growing.

- Legitimate business with offices located in Belize, Canada, Ireland, UK, India, Portugal, Cyprus and T&T!!!

Just for the record, lest it vanish...

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source (http://allevents.in/Port%20of%20Spain/BANNERS-BROKER-TandT-CONVENTION-FREE-ENTRANCE/240625886064370#)

[sixsigmamb]

Just for the record, lest it vanish...

2894

2895

source (http://allevents.in/Port%20of%20Spain/BANNERS-BROKER-TandT-CONVENTION-FREE-ENTRANCE/240625886064370#)


Personally, I think Chris Smith should be the Genisis Book of Records. The first white man to turn in to a scumbag black man in less than a 2 year time span. Way to go Chris! LMFAO!

[Finix]

Anyone who still thinks logic and reason are going to work on the "dealmans" of the HYIP ponzi world is kidding themselves.
Y'all hate players so much, you never give them enough credit. He might not come across as the brightest, but he got the overall spirit of the scene pretty well:


you not putting money in my pocket i dont have to prove nothing
Out of the mouth of the babes.

[Whip]

It's all explained on this thread. If you want the "official" BB/Stellar Point fairytale version then that's on the other (http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-question-answers-1924/) thread, along with a load of evidence as to why it's nonsense...
Wasn't there an issue with a non-legitimate VAT number for these clowns? That was never asked of 'terry'.

[sixsigmamb]

What is a VAT number?

[Beacon]

What is a VAT number?

Originally introduced in the 1960 as "turnover Tax" Value Added Tax" is harmonised ( with some notable exceptions e.g. on childrens milk, shoes, theater tickets etc.) in the EU through various treaties at between 15 and 20% in all states. It is a tax on sales. A business charges uit and returns it to the state. To do so every business having a turnover in excess of about 25,000 has to register for VAT and get a VAT number for that business. They can then claim VAT back on some business expences.

This week a man in Ireland was freed after a criminal conviction for not paying VAT on imported Garlic from China. He got six years. Meanwhile an old man who pleaded guilty on 16 counts of child abuse of his daughter ( yet it was admitted it was a daily occurance for years from seven years of age to mid teens) got let out on bail and only after an appeal got three years to serve. Similarly manglaughter gets about six years which is rated the same as not paying VAT? the mind boggles! But Banners Broker people in Ireland beware. You may be in for hefty sentences.

[littleroundman]

Originally introduced in the 1960 as "turnover Tax" Value Added Tax" is harmonised ( with some notable exceptions e.g. on childrens milk, shoes, theater tickets etc.) in the EU through various treaties at between 15 and 20% in all states. It is a tax on sales. A business charges uit and returns it to the state. To do so every business having a turnover in excess of about 25,000 has to register for VAT and get a VAT number for that business. They can then claim VAT back on some business expences.

This week a man in Ireland was freed after a criminal conviction for not paying VAT on imported Garlic from China. He got six years. Meanwhile an old man who pleaded guilty on 16 counts of child abuse of his daughter ( yet it was admitted it was a daily occurance for years from seven years of age to mid teens) got let out on bail and only after an appeal got three years to serve. Similarly manglaughter gets about six years which is rated the same as not paying VAT? the mind boggles! But Banners Broker people in Ireland beware. You may be in for hefty sentences.

The inconsistencies in Banners Brokers' treatment of its' VAT responsibilities were highlighted early in this saga.

In the early stages, Banners Broker were prominetly displaying a VAT number (which subsequently proved to be faked) on their site.

Banners Brokers' response was to claim it had negotiated with U.K authorities and was no longer required to charge VAT.

I.O.W. claiming to have VAT registration was another attempt at proving legitimacy which worked initially and was successfully swept under the carpet when they were caught out.

[Whip]

in the history of 'business' did you ever see a 'business' carry on with such spluttering and tripping it's way around! Payments and payments methods are subject no 1 on every webinar, it is their biggest issue, yet, without fail, more spluttering and tripping and it's always down the road solutions, never permanently fixed! Can you imagine facebook, after 3 yrs still trying to fix the same basic problem? GO PAYPAL!!!

Anyway, rant over, did our Terry not state something about not wanting/ needing/ recruiting any more into the programme to show it could survive without them or am I dreaming it?

Yeah, ASD, Zeek, etc. It's still amazes me that they swallow the 'delayed payment' excuses but don't question the fact that their money can be taken immediately.


Survey for the new package and panel. It was a landslide for the top 3 choices. The top #1 was PRESTIGE.
(*) PRESTIGE is the new name of the new package and panel!!

I guess whoever (sorry, can't remember your name here) was being stopped by this dopey survey can get right in to their account now?

[baylee]

I know and understand what sixsigma is and am wondering why you chose that name? I went to that class also before I retired. Just curious?

[Theseus]

The inconsistencies in Banners Brokers' treatment of its' VAT responsibilities were highlighted early in this saga.

In the early stages, Banners Broker were prominetly displaying a VAT number (which subsequently proved to be faked) on their site.

Banners Brokers' response was to claim it had negotiated with U.K authorities and was no longer required to charge VAT.

I.O.W. claiming to have VAT registration was another attempt at proving legitimacy which worked initially and was successfully swept under the carpet when they were caught out.


McCarthy still claims to be running a legitimate business in Ireland, despite us proving he was displaying a fake VAT number and "accidentally" misspelled company name on the Banners Broker Ireland landing page.

[sixsigmamb]

Yeah, ASD, Zeek, etc. It's still amazes me that they swallow the 'delayed payment' excuses but don't question the fact that their money can be taken immediately.



I guess whoever (sorry, can't remember your name here) was being stopped by this dopey survey can get right in to their account now?

Whip, the greatest misinformation source these scams use is keeping you trying to look at it as a business, verses a group of people who are getting better and better each time. There is no doubt that the upper layers of these things, are a fairly large group who are making a fortune together. When you think you found something they missed, 99% of the time it was left to send you on wild goose chases. People like Terry Stern don't have a clue about much of anything, but gladly take money sent to them to act as conscientious employees playing at just trying to do the right thing. Sitting back and watching the interactions of people like Terry Stern conversing with people who are desperate for any kind of reassurance they will not lose what they got in to the BB scam, makes me want to cry out, "are you really that stupid to believe this person is going to tell you anything remotely true?" The real sad part is that most of the people in the scam, knew what they are doing is wrong. If you set yourself up for loss, you will most likely end up with loss you set yourself up for. How can you cry about that?

[littleroundman]

McCarthy still claims to be running a legitimate business in Ireland, despite us proving he was displaying a fake VAT number and "accidentally" misspelled company name on the Banners Broker Ireland landing page.

Reminds me of AdSurf Dailys' Andy Bowdoin.

For years members didn't notice the street address given for ASD was actually incorrect and 2 digits out.

A fact the Secret Service highlighted in it's prosecution.

This despite the fact the building had been visited, photographed and researched a squillion times.

As has been said before countless times,

anyone who believes ANYTHING coming out of a HYIP ponzi is asking for trouble.

[sixsigmamb]

@ Baylee

i have been a Six Sigma professional for approximately 24 years now. Originally trained by Gembutsu and later in transactional Six Sigma through PWC. I am ASQ certified and a member of International Society of Six Sigma Professionals, currently ranked number 2 in the world. Interesting to note, I kind of first picked it up as a hobby just after graduation from law school.

[sixsigmamb]

I know and understand what sixsigma is and am wondering why you chose that name? I went to that class also before I retired. Just curious?

i have been a Six Sigma professional for approximately 24 years now. Originally trained by Gembutsu and later in transactional Six Sigma through PWC. I am ASQ certified and a member of International Society of Six Sigma Professionals, currently ranked number 2 in the world. Interesting to note, I kind of first picked it up as a hobby just after graduation from law school.

[Whip]

Whip, the greatest misinformation source these scams use is keeping you trying to look at it as a business, verses a group of people who are getting better and better each time. There is no doubt that the upper layers of these things, are a fairly large group who are making a fortune together. When you think you found something they missed, 99% of the time it was left to send you on wild goose chases. People like Terry Stern don't have a clue about much of anything, but gladly take money sent to them to act as conscientious employees playing at just trying to do the right thing. Sitting back and watching the interactions of people like Terry Stern conversing with people who are desperate for any kind of reassurance they will not lose what they got in to the BB scam, makes me want to cry out, "are you really that stupid to believe this person is going to tell you anything remotely true?" The real sad part is that most of the people in the scam, knew what they are doing is wrong. If you set yourself up for loss, you will most likely end up with loss you set yourself up for. How can you cry about that?

You're preachin' to the choir but there are still those that this is their first rodeo and don't know better. That's why I throw those type questions out there. In case they actually decide to go looking.

[sixsigmamb]

Any predictions when the Bannersbroker ponzi will come screeching to a halt?