Banners Broker HYIP ponzi scam

[Whip]

If you want until the opt-in has closed, you will need to sign up under someone else.

Why? I thought this was a real business? I didn't have to do this to start my real business. No one does. Just sayin'

[littleroundman]

How things change, eh ??

Remember the days when Roland Millward was proud to be associated with Banners Broker ??

Now look, he has to do his pimping in private.

http://imageshack.com/a/img401/5062/rlyy.jpg

[AshKen1]

We are not sending out any advertising into the networks, so there is no income on the panels. We have stopped the monthly subscriptions to make it fair. This has also stopped the Traffic Packs. So there is really no activity for you to do in the system until the launch of V3.

Oh dear.

Game over?

[Whip]

but wouldn't real customers expect the ads they paid for to be out there regardless?

[Ken Roklin]

We can only speculate, who did which part and who holds the keys, and who is the boss Chris or Raj, and what love story there is between those 2,
i was merely explaining how the standard offshore structures setup to get away with crime.

Here is where you wrong. Payza is not a UK company. Both are canadian companies.
in case of Payza, you should not really believe what they tell you :) , yes Patel brothers registered an entity in UK with a puppet nominated director, there are no normal offices in UK, but it just to keep things legal and separate in europe. Their license and registration in UK is only good to serve UK residents, and can not be used for foreign customers.
Payza is and always was based in Montreal, by Patel scammer-brothers.

Payza and STP are registered with canadian FinTRAC as MSB, that what makes them legal in canada,

(Research how US tracked LR,PS, Zeek bank accounts and froze them across the world)
He seemed not important in ICF ? really ?
Ok maybe to you. He as in old good times seems not that important now in BB to some - his mission is accomplished i guess.
Maybe I'm wrong but I doubt it. Payza was a Canadian company but all it's assets were purchased by a UK company making it a UK company not Canadian. Operations are in Canada but that doesn't make the corporation a Canadian company. Canada is a branch office just like the many others Payza has worldwide. Headquarters is in the UK. I agree I shouldn't believe everything others tell me, and that includes you :)

"MH Pillars Ltd, a UK-based advanced payments consultancy, acquired the strategic assets of AlertPay (Alert Services Inc., CANADA)[4] and launched the Payza.com platform in May 2012."

Zeek was a US corporation with US bank accounts, different than BBI being an offshore company.

Raj's importance to ICF was more in the training and presentations. Nothing in operations. He was/is not well liked and doesn't play well with anybody else in a company. He is a very poor business person as he has proven by all the failures of the many companies he has started. The only reason SP seemed successful for a while was because he charged Chris a fortune for his support services. All the businesses SP claimed they were doing were all failures as is his latest venture RevStar.

[NikSam]

Maybe I'm wrong but I doubt it. Payza was a Canadian company but all it's assets were purchased by a UK company making it a UK company not Canadian. Operations are in Canada but that doesn't make the corporation a Canadian company. Canada is a branch office just like the many others Payza has worldwide. Headquarters is in the UK. I agree I shouldn't believe everything others tell me, and that includes you :)

"MH Pillars Ltd, a UK-based advanced payments consultancy, acquired the strategic assets of AlertPay (Alert Services Inc., CANADA)[4] and launched the Payza.com platform in May 2012."

Zeek was a US corporation with US bank accounts, different than BBI being an offshore company.

Raj's importance to ICF was more in the training and presentations. Nothing in operations. He was/is not well liked and doesn't play well with anybody else in a company. He is a very poor business person as he has proven by all the failures of the many companies he has started. The only reason SP seemed successful for a while was because he charged Chris a fortune for his support services. All the businesses SP claimed they were doing were all failures as is his latest venture RevStar.

Ken, MH Pillars was dissolved, and in 2012 was created to pretend ownership transfer and reanming to Payza specifically to avoid prosecution and bad press,
According to their Canadian and US MSB registrations they are a company based in QUEBEC, whatever they have in UK is UK problem (i documented what happened to them in UK)
and if you want to discuss Payza, do it in the appropriate thread (http://www.realscam.com/f43/us-secret-services-seizes-payza-funds-2775/)

Nobody gives a s**t where the company is based offshore or not, or if there is even any company, the only importance is if it did scam locals. And if it is a fraud, all corporation protections no longer apply, persons involved being charged individually as well.
Zeek (and Paul Burks, Rex Ventures, other operators) had plenty accounts where they hid the money across the world, you can get a list from the receiver site,
Including money confiscated from STP and Payza.

[scamassassin007]

New Ads are already coming out from the BB Family for BB V3


:loser:


http://damkool.com/en/video/ZzCXr6Thf30/Banners-Broker-Version-3-0


:loser:
Mark Ghobril's Automated Ponzi System:

http://markghobril.elitemarketingpro.com/invite/

[ribshaw]

but wouldn't real customers expect the ads they paid for to be out there regardless?

Am having so much problem with all these "system issues" if they were actually brokering ads, the affiliate stuff would be noise, not a major component. This is just an observation, no science behind it, but upgrades usually occur at the system or software vendor level and always seem to piss business people off. Like Microsoft coming out with a new Windows version every 2 years and stop supporting the old versions that are finally starting to work. How many folks were saying, you know it is nice that most of the bugs have been worked out of 98, I can do most of what I want online, please oh please give me back the blue screen of death and 1000s of new hacking exploits?

Other than some systems that were truly not Y2K compatible, I really taxing my brain of a situation where a company making money did this just for the lolz.

[Della Cate]

Oh dear.

Game over?

Well, AshKen, I'd like to think so, I really would. But they have been down before and managed to get up again......bit like zombies really.

[mdavella]

Mark Ghobril has taken Payments directly from me that he used to open accounts in an investment scheme. I am currently owed about $100,000 USD. I have not been paid in over a year. The contract between Mark Ghobril and Myself and the investment firm states that I will be paid within 90 days of the request. DO NOT INVEST WITH THIS MAN. I have the checks to prove my payments directly to Mark Ghobril. I am seeking a US attorney for a class action suit.


Before Doing Business with this man Mark Ghobril Call Mark Davella to see what he knows 516-983-6820

[EagleOne]

Mark Ghobril has taken Payments directly from me that he used to open accounts in an investment scheme. I am currently owed about $100,000 USD. I have not been paid in over a year. The contract between Mark Ghobril and Myself and the investment firm states that I will be paid within 90 days of the request. DO NOT INVEST WITH THIS MAN. I have the checks to prove my payments directly to Mark Ghobril. I am seeking a US attorney for a class action suit.


Before Doing Business with this man Mark Ghobril Call Mark Davella to see what he knows 516-983-6820

Welcome to RS and all the best with your legal action. Please keep us informed of its progress.

[mdavella]

I have a new voice mail from "Little Hitler" Mark Ghobril himself. He has threatened to shut off my BB accounts thus admitting that he in fact does and can control BB. I pray he actually follows through on the Voice Message that I will load as soon as it finishes translating. See Little Hitler aka Mark Ghobril lives at 155 Easton St., Ronkonkoma, NY 11779. The double wide type trailer home he lives in is in foreclosure....Lis Pendens Info:
Lis Pendens Amount: $339,267 Lis Pendens Plaintiff: Bac Home Loans Servicing Lp Lis Pendens Book/Page:
Lis Pendens Date: 4/6/2010 Lis Pendens Index#: 10 11782 (That means that he has not paid his mortgage since 2010) BTW The home backs up against the Long Island Expressway. You can find it easily on Google Earth just up the road from the school. I say this in the event that anyone may like to travel to ask Mark Ghobril in person about his relation to BB since he does in fact have the capacity to open and close accounts, as well as receive checks to his personal account. I have copies that I am getting back from the banks this coming week. Any attorneys out there want to help with bringing litigation directly against this POS locally in New York Supreme court please contact me at 516-983-6820.

[EagleOne]

Aw shucks! Seems I got honorable mention at the talking BB thread but can't read it because I am not registered. Anyone want to post what they said here?

[scamassassin007]

I have a new voice mail from "Little Hitler" Mark Ghobril himself. He has threatened to shut off my BB accounts thus admitting that he in fact does and can control BB. I pray he actually follows through on the Voice Message that I will load as soon as it finishes translating. See Little Hitler aka Mark Ghobril lives at 155 Easton St., Ronkonkoma, NY 11779. The double wide type trailer home he lives in is in foreclosure....Lis Pendens Info:
Lis Pendens Amount: $339,267 Lis Pendens Plaintiff: Bac Home Loans Servicing Lp Lis Pendens Book/Page:
Lis Pendens Date: 4/6/2010 Lis Pendens Index#: 10 11782 (That means that he has not paid his mortgage since 2010) BTW The home backs up against the Long Island Expressway. You can find it easily on Google Earth just up the road from the school. I say this in the event that anyone may like to travel to ask Mark Ghobril in person about his relation to BB since he does in fact have the capacity to open and close accounts, as well as receive checks to his personal account. I have copies that I am getting back from the banks this coming week. Any attorneys out there want to help with bringing litigation directly against this POS locally in New York Supreme court please contact me at 516-983-6820.

Please Post The Voicemail For The World To HEAR!

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/q71/s720x720/1795574_760676523944846_1114465132_n.jpg

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/q71/s720x720/1794511_213950322136959_1334937928_n.jpg

[littleroundman]

Hiya, mdavella and welcome to REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com)

Unfortunately your experience with Mark Ghobril in not at all unusual in the dying days of a "next-big-thing" HYIP ponzi.

As soon as the top level insider pimps see the writing on the wall that total collapse is inevitable, they do as Mark Ghobril is doing and re direct money into their own accounts while pretending to purchase "panels" or "adpacks" or whatever the ponzis' units are called, for the unsuspecting newbies.

It happens every time one of the larger HYIP ponzi frauds comes around.

Ghobril and the others are relying on the fact victims are unaware they have been fooled into believing Banners Broker has the money, are loathe to go to the authorities for fear of being prosecuted themselves, are ashamed and embarrassed when they have come to realize they have been doubly scammed or are discouraged by the time and costs involved in pursuing the pimp personally.

One of the main reasons REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com) spends time exposing the "Mark Ghobrils" of the HYIP ponzi world is the belief that in doing so, it will only be a matter of time until one of the victims or groups of victims is sufficiently incensed they WILL take the time and trouble to follow through and not allow the pimp to simply walk away untouched.

I may be wrong, but I get a sense the day is not not too far away when we will see an increasing number of HYIP ponzi pimps being "nailed to the wall" and forced to compensate their victims as well as explain their involvement in a multi million dollar fraud of the size of Banners Broker.

[Della Cate]

Just seen those promises by Mr Ghobril posted by Scamassasin007 - thank you, S007, for the timely reminder!

However, what is the betting that Mr G does not make good his promises? There will be excuses such as:-

- BB didn't fold because it was not a viable business - it was ruined by naysayers who had their own agenda;
- The undertaking wasn't meant to be taken literally;
- BB hasn't really gone - sure, it has gone down, but it hasn't gone - the IT genius Chris Smith is already working on BBv4 which will be bigger and better than ever;
- Mr G's promise was to one specific person, not to everyone in BB.....

Etc, etc.

Note: the suggestions above are copyright to Della Cate Productions and may not be used by any BB big-wig looking for a getout clause....!!!

[HARRISON]

You seem to have upset Iain, Eagleone!:pulling_hair_out::pulling_hair_out:

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[Ken Roklin]

New Ads are already coming out from the BB Family for BB V3


:loser:


http://damkool.com/en/video/ZzCXr6Thf30/Banners-Broker-Version-3-0


:loser:
Mark Ghobril's Automated Ponzi System:

Elite Marketing Pro (http://markghobril.elitemarketingpro.com/invite/)

After all the comments about the "white" Chris Smith", why would they use the stock photo again instead of the real Chris in this new ad? Not too bright.

[scamassassin007]

After all the comments about the "white" Chris Smith", why would they use the stock photo again instead of the real Chris in this new ad? Not too bright.

Yes Ken, and if you notice in the video.. BB used to be the "NEW GOOGLE" ...

Now they are the "NEW FACEBOOK"... :pt:

What A Joke!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/t1/1948071_214006848797973_403902364_n.jpg

[scamassassin007]

An Important Message From The BB Ponzi Scam FB Page:


We've received a very helpful message regarding bank chargebacks and the coming Liquidation.
If a company is liquidated, the banks will almost CERTAINLY look favourably on your chargeback application.
It will confirm to them that BB is indeed a scam.

PLEASE CONTACT PAUL COOPER URGENTLY.
Paul Appleton @ David Rubin and Partners.
Email paul.cooper@drpartners.com.

Time is running out!
You have NOTHING to lose by registering.



https://www.facebook.com/pages/Banners-Broker-Ponzi-Scam/398614356881465

[scamassassin007]

A Few recent Updates In BB Land:

Our old friend Ljubomir Ruskaji·
He is still with BB and pimping out new videos.
The kids has gained a little weight.
I think Chris must be feeding him from his plate.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM0iNLsLAOs&feature=share&list=UUDlnbXPa4nmyZD9PLOfZ-GQ


Allow me to Translate for Ljubomir:
Banners Broker Is A PONZI SCAM!

On a side note.. Mark Ghobril's victims are taking action into their own hands.
"The New York Entrepreneurs Business Network"
http://www.meetup.com/NYEBN/members/134590082/

A Dan Dare Update for Mark Ghobril:
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1/q71/s720x720/1239854_761069307238901_1273891335_n.jpg

And Mark Ghobril and the Ponzi Nazi Follies:
http://youtu.be/jkajPi1_FFshttp://youtu.be/jkajPi1_FFs

[HARRISON]

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...even when the evidence that Banners Broker is a scam stares them right in the face, STILL they don't get it! (or maybe they do eh Iain?)
:watching_you::watching_you::watching_you:

[scamassassin007]

A Recent Post By Banners Broker:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/1625512_761224723890026_286660553_n.jpg
:shocked:
Everyone Need To Rea View This Video:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1d6dum_banners-broker-now-claims-not-passive-many-of-the-bb-leaders-lied-and-said-otherwise_news

This Proves BB has LIED!
Many of the BB Leaders told their victims anything to get them to join.
Including words like "INVESTING", PENSION, and PASSIVE!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/1920094_214164632115528_1179230976_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/q71/s720x720/1798628_214164915448833_741017624_n.jpg


You might want to make additional copies of these videos before Alan Deletes Them.
:loser:
The Banners Broker Difference - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26rm2-qlhLM)
:loser:
RV Lifestyle and How to Earn a Living On the Road - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFCfO1oanNI)

[Della Cate]

Now, over on the BB Fb page, I have found this little gem:-

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I think that Rockin' Ronnie is being "economical with the truth" (as a UK politician once commented) when he says:-

- affiliates have received the products they paid for;
-describing traffic packs as "unintentional consequences";
- saying that BB has never been promoted by the company as a passive investment .

Let's take them one at a time....

- What "product" DID BB push eh? Advertising on the net that no-one ever saw because it was on the "blind network"? P*ss poor websites with names like "Career Donkey"?

- Unintentional consequences my ar*e! When I first heard of BB late in 2012 (gosh, has it been so long?) traffic packs were an integral part of this, er, venture. Traffic packs were essential to qualifying/rolling up/whatever it was the pretty coloured panels!

- BB not a passive investment - oh, come off it! There's people out there who remember the days when BB was a straightline cycler doubler - and have evidence that this was how it was promoted. And it was certainly sold to people I personally know; as "an online money making venture", one which you didn't have to do anything with because you bought your "traffic packs" and somehow the magic happened and you made money without having to do very much yourself.

It really makes me cross when things like this are said, and attempts are made to rewrite history.

[Della Cate]

Scamassasin007 - you and me have both hit on the same thing! Great minds think alike, eh?

[scamassassin007]

Scamassasin007 - you and me have both hit on the same thing! Great minds think alike, eh?

Great Job Della!

[scamassassin007]

A Recent Post By Banners Broker:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/1625512_761224723890026_286660553_n.jpg
:shocked:
Everyone Need To Read / View This Video:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1d6dum_banners-broker-now-claims-not-passive-many-of-the-bb-leaders-lied-and-said-otherwise_news

This Proves BB has LIED!
Many of the BB Leaders told their victims anything to get them to join.
Including words like "INVESTING", PENSION, and PASSIVE!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/1920094_214164632115528_1179230976_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/q71/s720x720/1798628_214164915448833_741017624_n.jpg


You might want to make additional copies of these videos before Alan Deletes Them.
:loser:
The Banners Broker Difference - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26rm2-qlhLM)
:loser:
RV Lifestyle and How to Earn a Living On the Road - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFCfO1oanNI)

Most all of the videos and materials online talked about making money. Not buying a PRODUCT!

Most of Alan Sills Videos talks about MAKING BIG MONEY as did Chris's other minions!

[EagleOne]

You seem to have upset Iain, Eagleone!:pulling_hair_out::pulling_hair_out:

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I appreciate your posting Iain's rant. Now that we know that Iain still reads this thread, please Iain copy and paste this post at Talking BB, that is if you have the cajones to do so, which I seriously doubt. Actually I am disappointed in your comments. Is that the best you can do? Seriously? The same ole same ole I hear all the time from people who get their Ponzi de Jour exposed. Just once I wish someone would come up with something different. I've heard this hundreds, if not thousands, of times. Sadly just like all the rest, you didn't get one thing right; but hey it played well to the sheep that follow you. Wonder what your minions would think if they knew you put your tail between your legs and ran away from this forum because you couldn't disprove our facts.

There are no "net-ads" on Eagle's website. In case you don't understand what "no" means, that means there aren't any, zilch, nada, zero, goose-egg, nada. Second had any of you bothered to read my book you wouldn't be a victim of BB Ponzi, and bought all the lies by Chris and all the other BB pimps. Third, before you start thinking of yourself as some kind of hero by patting yourself on your back with both arms, you may want to take both feet out of your mouth as you have nothing to stand on. Everything you said is a lie, just like all the lies told by Chris, you and all the other BB pimps about how legal and BB is a real business. You wouldn't know a real business if you tripped over it.

If my post here caused you this much consternation, I can only imagine what my two articles at Swindles would have done to you. To make it easy for everyone, here's the link: http://www.swindles.org/page/2/. Don't you just hate it when your Ponzi de Jour gets exposed for the Ponzi it is. If everything I said was so meaningless, you wouldn't have given my remarks the time of day now would you. So it is obvious that my remarks have had an effect on your ability to keep your blind sheep in line. But thanks for giving me more prominence, I really appreciate the plug and attention. Thanks to you our hits to our website are up, and I owe it all to your rant at Talking BB. Now wouldn't it really be a kicker if our donations also went up too because of your bringing us to everyone's attention.

[NikSam]

If you want to download youtube videos (as evidence, before pimps take it down , etc.) a simplified way is:

replace "www." part in the full URL of the video with "ss"

so for example
Video at location: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSp-x_sZlIg
Open instead with: http://ssyoutube.com/watch?v=wSp-x_sZlIg

And you will see options and formats you can save it to your computer.

[Fat City, LA]

Anyone who wasnt running/promoting a Ponzi would just take Lyndell/Eagle to court.
Simple as that!

Reality is these scumbags @ Banners Brokers, Roman at PS, Zeek, etc ARE running/promoting a ponzi.
So they just make themselves look stupid (er) and waste their time ranting about Lyndell/Eagle.

All thats left defending/promoting BB are the 2d tier. The ones who compounded and didnt get their $ out and move on.
Makes me very happy a ponzi at this stage shows no favoritism. ALL will lose ALL the monopoly $ soon enough.

[Whip]

There are no "net-ads" on Eagle's website. In case you don't understand what "no" means, that means there aren't any, zilch, nada, zero, goose-egg, nada.

He knows exactly what it means. It means there are just as many on your site as banners broker actually 'sells'.

[scamassassin007]

FYI

http://m.UploadEdit.com/b029/1393207449162.gif

It is a banner Iain Sherriff had on his uklows.com website which He has now removed along with any mention of Banners Broker!



___________________________________

Another "PASSIVE" Montage Copy:


http://youtu.be/H1gJkc2iLD8

[scamassassin007]

Mark Ghobril and BB Leaders Future Press Conference After Banners Broker Collapse:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xQcxav53XY

[scamassassin007]

Dispatch From "REGI WATTS" From the Banners Broker Ponzi Scam FB Page




http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/16MX_uSNjcs/maxresdefault.jpg

Ian Parker, not only continues to promote and defend BB/Chris. Calling his fellow Beepxtra members and the owner, liars. As there is no money owed from BB to anyone, everything is perfect with BB, Chris is a great man and CEO.

He is now pushing Karatbars more vocally.

I keep losing count of how many schemes and scams this fool is pushing, I guess you have to, when you don't make any money and find yourself a laughingstock.

https://www.youtube.com/user/ParkersTraining/videos?sort=dd&shelf_id=1&view=0

https://twitter.com/MSI_Technology


If you have any Skype quotes, Facebook posts, forum/website posts from Ian Parker and his funny BB supporting. Post them here, for all his team mates and BB creditors to see.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Beepxtracom/551521104902544?fref=ts


Look at all the BB Videos: --> https://www.youtube.com/user/ParkersTraining/videos?sort=dd&shelf_id=1&view=0
Every video saying "EVERYTHING IS JUST SMELLING ROSES IN BB-LAND"

No mention of the payment issues, the weekly BB lies and excuses, the corruption, or the internal drama of top leaders and "company officials" that have left.

Come one... come all into this beautiful world of Banners Broker.... (!) :pt:

______________________________

BB Scam News: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Banners-Broker-Ponzi-Scam/398614356881465

[scamassassin007]

Post from Tara over at the Banners Broker Ponzi Scam FB Page


https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/t1/1743735_254405881408938_1524599164_n.jpg
This snip from Banners Brokers Facebook page is a real worry. MANY affiliates GENUINELY don't know that sites such as ours exist.






Also a REMINDER:
Today is the deadline for contacting Paul! Please do it asap.

RE: "Banners Broker Liquidation"

All information is confidential. You have nothing to lose. This might be a chance try to reclaim money and to put the spotlight on BB.

PLEASE CONTACT PAUL COOPER URGENTLY.
David Rubin and Partners.
Email: paul.cooper@drpartners.com.

Include pictures of your back office.


Thanks.

______________________________

BB Scam News: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Banne...98614356881465

[Poyol]

Long time no see, guys!

I'm back with another nub of 'information' - not news to any of you but someone on the 'inside' has given me some information.

I can confirm the following things (as per my 'insider')


Targus IS owned by Chris Smith; legal teams have confirmed this.
Banners Broker does NOT have any brokers; Chris slipped up on a conference call that an insider managed to be involved in.
The way he is now trying to do v3 is pay per click advertising by getting people to post links on social media platforms because he has no brokers.
BB panels Do NOT match the revenue which mean they are 100% fake and so are the eWallets. Again a slip by Chris on a call.
v3 is designed to work..... a slip by Ron Anderson, meaning the system prior has never been designed to work which is what was stated by an ex employee some months ago.


I know this is not news to you, but it's reiteration.

[NikSam]

...
Targus IS owned by Chris Smith; legal teams have confirmed this.
...

Jason, next time verify who you listen to.

I already explained that Targus is Owned by OCRA, Chris has nothing to do with it, If legal teams verified that, well, they worth nothing...

#post66187 (http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-897/index576.html#post66187)

Targus was a shareholder before BB bought Bedford LTD from OCRA in 2012

here in archive of Jan 2012 Bedford was listed for Sale at OCRA (before BB bought it, Targus was alredy its shareholder, as all shelf companies they sell):

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URL: https://web.archive.org/web/20120113015732/http://www.ocra.com/access/shelflist.asp

[Poyol]

Jason, next time verify who you listen to.

I already explained that Targus is Owned by OCRA, Chris has nothing to do with it, If legal teams verified that, well, they worth nothing...

#post66187 (http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-897/index576.html#post66187)

Targus was a shareholder before BB bought Bedford LTD from OCRA in 2012

here in archive of Jan 2012 Bedford was listed for Sale at OCRA (before BB bought it, Targus was alredy its shareholder, as all shelf companies they sell):

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URL: https://web.archive.org/web/20120113015732/http://www.ocra.com/access/shelflist.asp

I've always stated that information is to be taken with a pinch of salt; especially from an 'insider'.
If I get an anonymous email it's as likely to be a ruse than actual information.
Believe me, I've tried all I can to verify this person's identity.

Jason

[scamassassin007]

Welcome Back Jason!!!!

FYI.. Jason is an ADMIN

Nice to see your point of view and determination without ego.
You have been greatly missed.

[scamassassin007]

Banners Broker Straight-Line-Cycler-Doubler"Another Blast From The Past.

A video BB would like us all to forget. This was an official company video which acts more like an investment than a "PRODUCT" Most of the BB videos dod not puch a product, they pushed a "GET RICH QUICK" system that you did not have to recruit, you did not have to sell a product, and the money would just roll in. Most would not have joined knowing that you were getting a fake product and the rules would change and you could not make money. Most joined the "business" (I use this term loosely) and were told that BB sells the product for you.

Remember When.. Back when "KUL" claimed he was the owner of BB.

Here is a copy labeled SCAM as not to advertise.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NVipwmymtE

Banners Broker seems to forget all the evidence against them on the internet.
The BB Sheep just sing along and are still in BB for the long haul.

Funny how Chris Smith thinks he can change history.

[NikSam]

Jason is your 'insider' one of those who spreads multiple lies here, on blogs, and Facebook ? Like a letter from IoM officer ? Like that some anti-BB forum he had personal grudge agains is ran by BB ?
like Chris is director of Targus and NexorOne ?

Did legal team said "Targus IS owned by Chris Smith" to you personally or your little 'insider' told you that ? :)

There are way way more lies from various insiders, i just not sure if it the same insider or there are so many of them.

He probably by now, told you that i work for Chris Smith , and trying to break apart their little liquidation intervention :) thats what he been tellin :)


Anyway, can your insider beat facts i outlined ? with anything more than just his "insiding" ?


@insider, if you think you damaging a scam by making things up and spreading lies, you wrong you damage your reputation and places where you spread it.

[Poyol]

Jason is your 'insider' one of those who spreads multiple lies here, on blogs, and Facebook ? Like a letter from IoM officer ? Like that some anti-BB forum he had personal grudge agains is ran by BB ?
like Chris is director of Targus and NexorOne ?

Did legal team said "Targus IS owned by Chris Smith" to you personally or your little 'insider' told you that ? :)

There are way way more lies from various insiders, i just not sure if it the same insider or there are so many of them.

He probably by now, told you that i work for Chris Smith , and trying to break apart their little liquidation intervention :) thats what he been tellin :)


Anyway, can your insider beat facts i outlined ? with anything more than just his "insiding" ?


@insider, if you think you damaging a scam by making things up and spreading lies, you wrong you damage your reputation and places where you spread it.

Niksam, I suggest you get off your high horse; I won't accept ad hominem especially when you're wrong - SA is not my 'insider'.

If you want to personally attack other members of this forum do it via PM - please do take heed of our rules and guidelines though attack the subject not the person.

Thanks

Jason

[NikSam]

I was not attacking anyone, i merely pointed to @insider who definitely reads here.
If someone assumed it is about him, well, what can i say ?

[scamassassin007]

BB Called Out On The "PASSIVE" Comment on FB today.

* Credit To Steve Trueton over at the BB Ponzi Scam FB page for finding this.
:loser:
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1/1948058_587295501346762_856364941_n.jpg

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https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1959290_587296364680009_1454122786_n.jpg

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https://www.facebook.com/groups/617424188313270/

[JackTolerance]

Does anybody have any info on this woman? I did my best in informing her about the coming BB liquidation but she isn't very bright! She keeps trying to convince me I'm wrong lol. She doesn't know me very well does she!:loser:
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This has to be my favourite post thus far :duh:

[NikSam]

This has to be my favourite post thus far :duh:

Well she is stubborn, but she is right on one thing , so BBI in Iom is liquidated - so what?
will be struck-of the register, or if those lawyers who try to intervene will do great, IoM will issue a public alert on BB.
Liquidation can go either way with bankruptcy if there are creditors and no assets or dissolution if no creditors claims.
what else they can do ? BB is not there, no assets, no websites, no BB scammers linked to it.

Chris said long ago BBI in IoM is done /abandoned/ etc.
They now virtually "in Belize" but not telling you under which entity :)

This Ghosts hunt will possibly create a big exposure, that the best outcome of it as i see.
A lot of scams continued to operate for years after several authorities around the world declared them illegal, did it bother or hurt them ? - just a bit.

[JackTolerance]

If you want to download youtube videos (as evidence, before pimps take it down , etc.) a simplified way is:

replace "www." part in the full URL of the video with "ss"

so for example
Video at location: Banners Broker Review Jem Tang and Ian Driscoll - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSp-x_sZlIg)
Open instead with: Free Download from Rapidshare, FileFactory. Free Download Videos from Youtube, Google, Metacafe - SaveFrom.net (http://ssyoutube.com/watch?v=wSp-x_sZlIg)

And you will see options and formats you can save it to your computer.


Or you can also use this very nifty browser extension which I use (if you have Mozilla): DownloadHelper - Media download Firefox extension (http://www.downloadhelper.net/)

You can also get the Chrome version too: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/video-download-helper/dbkchnicaiglcjpgbmpfmoafckkomdcm?hl=en

It doesn't just download from Youtube either but practically any website with streaming media :RpS_smile:

[scamassassin007]

Yes Steve.. I use Youtube Downloader... It is FREE and works great.

Thanks for your other suggestions. You are right. There are many out there.

:RpS_cool:

[scamassassin007]

*Credit to Dan Dare for researching this DOC:

*** Dan Dare just purchased a legal copy of the BBI doc below.

I now have this document in my possession.

__________________________________________________ _____

This Message is to Chris Smith:.

You should think twice about changing history and telling your minions stories.

Your deception is not working.

In regards to this video: (Which there are copies so don't try to remove it)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYH8bVJVjkg

Chris one week you claim to change directors and a couple weeks later you claim BBI has never had an office in IOM.

More BB lies and deception to hide or change the truth!

You have also told your minions that you have not used BBI for over one year.
(One Of The Stories In BB Circles) ( Including your :butt_kisser: Mark Ghobril )

Chris, Here is the document that I think you should explain!

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2mi2czr.jpg

Mr. Smith.. Do you have any FRESH LIES for us this week?


https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/1975090_214078475457477_704387699_n.jpg


FYI: Chris.... Tell your Golden Boy Al Sills to just keep his mouth shut. He sunk your lies himself long ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1gJkc2iLD8

No Recruiting? No Selling? A Great Investment? Compared to a PENSION? PASSIVE? I can't tell you how many naughty SEC words Al Sills violated.
BB does all the selling for you? I did not hear Al talk much about the "PRODUCT" being the reason to join BB!

The same for most of the other SCAM LEADERS!

I wonder if the BB Compliance officer will Freeze Al's account. Some of Al's videos were even posted on BB or in their forums.

Weasel out of this Chris!

[NikSam]

Great, so he made a mistake :) hopefully it is his handwriting and not OCRA giving him up.

with that you can go to canadians.

[HARRISON]

Iain Sherriff is an avid reader of this forum - Hi Iain:watching_you:

I'm guessing he reads this informative thread to discover how a REAL forum is run.
A couple of lessons for you Iain:
Real Scam don't LOCK threads to prevent free speech:
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Secondly, honest forums don't BAN members for asking perfectly good questions!:
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[NikSam]

notice how dates are handwritten by another hand :) pay attention to letters 'A' and '2' , there are 3 people (2 who wrote dates in, and Chris info is 3rd)

SA, i told you about it, so i believe OCRA is giving him up , this is a trick when a secret benefitiary (Chris) signs undated letter of appointment, so nominated puppet director can in future
get out from responsibility on that company. Chris also has an undated resignation letter signed by a puppet director so Chris can kick puppet director out on any future date.

trick is documented here: The offshore trick: how BVI 'nominee director' system works | UK news | The Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/nov/25/offshore-trick-bvi-nominee-director)

If since 2012 Chris was hiding under nominated puppet directors , he would not come out now himself, so OCRA is more likely gave him up to save own behind.

[NikSam]

Too bad that address "250 jarvis street, toronto" is a Baptist church, which might be a dead end and our Chris is not a Chris at all.

[scamassassin007]

Too bad that address "250 jarvis street, toronto" is a Baptist church, which might be a dead end and our Chris is not a Chris at all.

Do you really think Chris Smith would not falsify an address ? This document is a real document. That is all that matters. It was filed in the IOM. So either way Chris Smith is a LIAR.
This also proves the FORENSIC attorneys involved know what they are doing.

RE: The Liquidation: FYI: Tara, nor anyone claimed everyone would get all 100% their money back. This is the first real accountability that BB has had and it would not hurt to try and get something back.
The Canadian authorities are and will be slow to act.

So please let us have this NikSam .. Just one day without debate or an proving you are right. The number you gave for the investigative journalist is not returning calls. Many have tried.

My post was directed to Chris Smith, as I know he and his minions read this page and FB.

If anyone doubts this, You can request copies of public records. You just have to pay a small fee.

This Condo is a Beautiful Looking Church
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t31/q71/s720x720/1596707_214405655424759_268242011_o.jpg

I am sure this site is wrong too: http://www.ottna.com/preview_condo.php?osK669158 (http://www.ottna.com/preview_condo.php?osK669158)

I guess we are all incompetent.


Also, A past BB Q & A also put BB at 125 Jarvis Street:
In the RS Terry Stern Q&A debacle Terry said Chris Smith went to Ryerson University. Now, we have seen the paperwork that puts Banners Broker International at 250 Jarvis Street, however, a few doors down at 240 Jarvis Street there is a building which Ryerson University occupies!

Here is another relevant Post: http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-question-answers-1924/#post41266

Also

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/v/t34/1961390_761815590497606_269821529_n.jpg?oh=e546fb6 d93b908ecafeffcff0bcf7d59&oe=530D8D8E&__gda__=1393410336_1dfc7c947b851dfe4587a47d81e1a7b b

[NikSam]

The number you gave for the investigative journalist is not returning calls. Many have tried.


Tara gave that number in october, see it on her blog,
and here: #post62212 (http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-897/index534.html#post62212)

I only asked what the status (http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-897/index575.html#post66151) on it, and said that the guy is also on FB.
(if you actually paid attention to my PMs you would know that)


Did i tell you to stop, no, only encouraged you to blow it open, no matter what outcome is, just do not expect much.
And you know i was asking people for long time to get that doc, seemed like nobody wanted to spend 2 pounds.

[scamassassin007]

Here is a better view:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/v/t34/1947444_761817190497446_1018725854_n.jpg?oh=517c14 ec489b7b2f66d6afe8c730a4da&oe=530DBF40&__gda__=1393401423_228e32a712ed27363f8f7cb3785b221 e

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/v/t34/1961390_761815590497606_269821529_n.jpg?oh=e546fb6 d93b908ecafeffcff0bcf7d59&oe=530D8D8E&__gda__=1393410336_1dfc7c947b851dfe4587a47d81e1a7b b


I did not have time to add this to my above post.

[NikSam]

Hmm, yeah, i see some google map bug, if you search for "250 jarvis street, toronto" without suit number it shows this church next door: https://www.google.com/maps/place/250+Jarvis+St/@43.660856,-79.376034,17z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x89d4cb4bc8b88933:0x9f9506360ef27 e8


About docs, i dont doubt it, i only said there are 3 hands handwritten it and explained what i believe happened.

Do you always take any comment (addition) to what you say, as someone trying to contradict you without actually payin attention what been said ?

[scamassassin007]

Hmm, yeah, i see some google map bug, if you search for "250 jarvis street, toronto" without suit number it shows this church next door: https://www.google.com/maps/place/250+Jarvis+St/@43.660856,-79.376034,17z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x89d4cb4bc8b88933:0x9f9506360ef27 e8

Excuse me... Did I understand that you were wrong?

Ethel, Bring me the smelling salts!


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FYI: I usually step on Bugs....

http://pelfusion.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/animation-signature.gif

[Beacon]

Too bad that address "250 jarvis street, toronto" is a Baptist church, which might be a dead end and our Chris is not a Chris at all.

What evidence do you have it is a Church? I thought it was a ten story apartment block. And NB Im not accusing you of lying or purposfully spreading disinformation or even doing it by accident. Im just asking for confirmation and if you cant do that it isnt a huge deal ill just assume the place isnt a church.


Anyway the important thing about these companies is that somebody owns them. Assuming ther is actually money in any of them. But even if there isnt then Chris Raj and the lads ( and some ladies) were either breaking civil law or criminally misrepresenting the situation. Now even if the companies dont have any assets there is still the fact that these companies were used as a front to launder money. And even if they have no assets ther are evidence of people using offshore entities to launder money or defraud people or dodge tax are a plethora of other things. so it is important that the companies are shown to be liked to the scam and linked to particular players in the scam. as it is it seems others are setting Chris up and he will be the fall guy. He should really be concentrating on making sure he can show that they are connected.

By the way on the address her is the condo building AFAIK:
MLS: C2783389 - 250 Jarvis St, Toronto - Sold! | Toronto/GTA/King Real Estate | Chestnut Park (http://www.chestnutpark.com/properties/listing/C2783389)

[scamassassin007]

What evidence do you have it is a Church? I thought it was a ten story apartment block. And NB Im not accusing you of lying or purposfully spreading disinformation or even doing it by accident. Im just asking for confirmation and if you cant do that it isnt a huge deal ill just assume the place isnt a church.


Anyway the important thing about these companies is that somebody owns them. Assuming ther is actually money in any of them. But even if there isnt then Chris Raj and the lads ( and some ladies) were either breaking civil law or criminally misrepresenting the situation. Now even if the companies dont have any assets there is still the fact that these companies were used as a front to launder money. And even if they have no assets ther are evidence of people using offshore entities to launder money or defraud people or dodge tax are a plethora of other things. so it is important that the companies are shown to be liked to the scam and linked to particular players in the scam. as it is it seems others are setting Chris up and he will be the fall guy. He should really be concentrating on making sure he can show that they are connected.

By the way on the address her is the condo building AFAIK:
MLS: C2783389 - 250 Jarvis St, Toronto - Sold! | Toronto/GTA/King Real Estate | Chestnut Park (http://www.chestnutpark.com/properties/listing/C2783389)

Hi Beacon... I hate to be the one to defend NikSam...
But he later said There is a map "BUG" with Google.


Hmm, yeah, i see some google map bug, if you search for "250 jarvis street, toronto" without suit number it shows this church next door: https://www.google.com/maps/place/25...f9506360ef27e8

[littleroundman]

Seems we have a Google malfunction here:

http://imageshack.com/a/img811/5952/hioy.jpg

[scamassassin007]

Seems we have a Google malfunction here:

http://imageshack.com/a/img811/5952/hioy.jpg

Chris Smith and Church?

United Church Of Scammers, Heathens, and Thieves? I could not see the sign... lol


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FYI:
As I mentioned above:
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/l/t1/1972260_761822847163547_1191696651_n.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/1OJkbV7.jpg

[scamassassin007]

If you guys don't mind.. I want to re-post this as it is good info and has been lost on 2 pages of debate.
My message still stands directly to Chris Smith!


*Credit to Dan Dare for researching this DOC:

*** Dan Dare just purchased a legal copy of the BBI doc below.

I now have this document in my possession.

__________________________________________________ _____

This Message is to Chris Smith:.

You should think twice about changing history and telling your minions stories.

Your deception is not working.

In regards to this video: (Which there are copies so don't try to remove it)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYH8bVJVjkg

Chris one week you claim to change directors and a couple weeks later you claim BBI has never had an office in IOM.

More BB lies and deception to hide or change the truth!

You have also told your minions that you have not used BBI for over one year.
(One Of The Stories In BB Circles) ( Including your :butt_kisser: Mark Ghobril )

Chris, Here is the document that I think you should explain!

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2mi2czr.jpg

Mr. Smith.. Do you have any FRESH LIES for us this week?


https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/1975090_214078475457477_704387699_n.jpg


FYI: Chris.... Tell your Golden Boy Al Sills to just keep his mouth shut. He sunk your lies himself long ago: Is BannersBroker Passive? ( Banners Broker ) Many of the BB leaders lied, BB Ponzi Scam! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1gJkc2iLD8)

No Recruiting? No Selling? A Great Investment? Compared to a PENSION? PASSIVE? I can't tell you how many naughty SEC words Al Sills violated.
BB does all the selling for you? I did not hear Al talk much about the "PRODUCT" being the reason to join BB!

The same for most of the other SCAM LEADERS!

I wonder if the BB Compliance officer will Freeze Al's account. Some of Al's videos were even posted on BB or in their forums.

Weasel out of this Chris!

[Beacon]

Hi Beacon... I hate to be the one to defend NikSam...
But he later said There is a map "BUG" with Google.

Im aware of that and was when I posted my message. The point is that he is claiming that he only repeated a mistake originally made by Google i.e. his source was wrong.

I didnt think I needed to point out that this is ther very thing he was attacking Jason for i.e. because Jason's source in Nik's opinion was wrong/lying. At the same time opinion is offered as a working theory e.g. theories about Chris and his handwriting and other peoples handwriting and what that means. I dont have any problem with these theories I just dont see the supporting evidence but I also find a sort of double standard in attacking others for what they believe is an opinion based on lies when also proposing theories based on personal opinion.

the reason why I point this out is that people should accept minor corrections to their pet theories and move on without getting into personal attacks. Personal issues are best kept to PM . I am not a moderator but I would suggest personal theories should also be flagged as such. Note I use phrases like "it seems" and I rarely make statements claiming fact without supplying supporting evidence. Nor do I claim to be perfect. I am capable of errors and invite you to correct any I may make.

[laidback]

Im aware of that and was when I posted my message. The point is that he is claiming that he only repeated a mistake originally made by Google i.e. his source was wrong.

I didnt think I needed to point out that this is ther very thing he was attacking Jason for i.e. because Jason's source in Nik's opinion was wrong/lying. At the same time opinion is offered as a working theory e.g. theories about Chris and his handwriting and other peoples handwriting and what that means. I dont have any problem with these theories I just dont see the supporting evidence but I also find a sort of double standard in attacking others for what they believe is an opinion based on lies when also proposing theories based on personal opinion.

the reason why I point this out is that people should accept minor corrections to their pet theories and move on without getting into personal attacks. Personal issues are best kept to PM . I am not a moderator but I would suggest personal theories should also be flagged as such. Note I use phrases like "it seems" and I rarely make statements claiming fact without supplying supporting evidence. Nor do I claim to be perfect. I am capable of errors and invite you to correct any I may make.
I made a mistake once....no, twice...! lol

[NikSam]

Im aware of that and was when I posted my message. The point is that he is claiming that he only repeated a mistake originally made by Google i.e. his source was wrong.


I admitted that source was wrong, did not I? unlike some.



Jason's source in Nik's opinion was wrong/lying.

And it was, Targus has nothing to do with Chris Smith and it was already shown, while this thing continues to go on, Jason just was not up to date. Do you still insist that Chris is also behind Targus, and that it just my opinion "he is not", ignoring facts?

[Beacon]

If you guys don't mind.. I want to re-post this as it is good info and has been lost on 2 pages of debate.
My message still stands directly to Chris Smith!

Clearly at 1:45 he says "there has never been BBI anywhere else"
@2:30 he mentions BB Ireland and BBUK as "resellers" BB Ireland never existed as a company and the Irish operation and UK company had folded and were not "growing" as he claims
@3:40 he mentions contracts with Independent Contractors ~ICs replaced "resellers" and were handled through Stellar Point and that this situation ended on Aug 1 2013 when BBI Belize took it over from SP. However the above doccumentation shows that three weeks after this Chris Smith became director of BBI Isle of Man??
@4:00 he mentions in relation to the need to have SP/BB Canada that in 2012 there were "dozens upon dozens of support personell" involved in version 2. But ther is no evidence that SP/ BB canada ever had more than two or three people who had no computer programming experience and basically just answered the phone in the Canadian HQ ( and the caller paid for these calls) as part of their fake customer support.
@5:40 he makes the bizzare claim that because the system "now works " with no need for the [nonexistant] dozens of support staff in the past that BBI took over support but the ICs stayed with SP so that this means ICs [who never supplied support anyway] were no longer responsible for support.
@7:40 he mentions a new cadre of communications staff but does not mention a single name background or qualifications of any of them
@10 he mentions the full release of version 3 by November LOL four months later it still isnt done!
yet he has the gall at 11:35 to mentioning that he will "honour our word"?

[Beacon]

I admitted that source was wrong, did not I? unlike some.


You didnt admit your claim was in error and therefore you were wrong. You repeated a claim which you now admit was wrong which is exactly what you attribute to "some" I assume you refer to Jason. The thing is we dont know if the source Jason was using is a liar or not ~the jury is still out on that one. Jason may in fact not be in error at all. So it would therefore be dishonest of him to state his source was a liar if he didnt know for a fact that was true. would it not?


And it was, Targus has nothing to do with Chris Smith and it was already shown, while this thing continues to go on, Jason just was not up to date. Do you still insist that Chris is also behind Targus, and that it just my opinion "he is not", ignoring facts?
Where did I ANYWHERE insist Chris was behind Targus? Please look up "straw man" while you are looking up "ad hominem" would you?

[scamassassin007]

Clearly at 1:45 he says "there has never been BBI anywhere else"
@2:30 he mentions BB Ireland and BBUK as "resellers" BB Ireland never existed as a company and the Irish operation and UK company had folded and were not "growing" as he claims
@3:40 he mentions contracts with Independent Contractors ~ICs replaced "resellers" and were handled through Stellar Point and that this situation ended on Aug 1 2013 when BBI Belize took it over from SP. However the above documentation shows that three weeks after this Chris Smith became director of BBI Isle of Man??
@4:00 he mentions in relation to the need to have SP/BB Canada that in 2012 there were "dozens upon dozens of support personell" involved in version 2. But ther is no evidence that SP/ BB canada ever had more than two or three people who had no computer programming experience and basically just answered the phone in the Canadian HQ ( and the caller paid for these calls) as part of their fake customer support.
@5:40 he makes the bizzare claim that because the system "now works " with no need for the [nonexistant] dozens of support staff in the past that BBI took over support but the ICs stayed with SP so that this means ICs [who never supplied support anyway] were no longer responsible for support.
@7:40 he mentions a new cadre of communications staff but does not mention a single name background or qualifications of any of them
@10 he mentions the full release of version 3 by November LOL four months later it still isnt done!
yet he has the gall at 11:35 to mentioning that he will "honour our word"?

Thank you Beacon.
This was the whole point of my post keeps getting lost with the debate.

Chris Smith is not to be trusted. I gave a few examples with sourced proof if his lies.

These Lies seem to changes weekly faster than the wind changes.

I personally think their new spin that BB was never PASSIVE and the BB affiliates purchases a "PRODUCT" is really over the top.
We provided proof on this page that Al sills (We all know all the BB leaders did this) has recorded himself as saying otherwise.

What makes this all worse id the way many of the affiliates were treated by the Ponzi Nazis.
This can not stand. BB should have been held accountable long ago.
I hope this Liquidation will open the eyes of many including the government regulators.

One of my opinions have changed. I used to feel sorry for many who are in BB. Yes, there are fresh victims, but for those who have been in BB for a while now and are still believing in BB than I can not feel sorry for your losses. Don't Cry victim at this point when BB crashes. I just hope to God that nobody has been recruiting into this SCAM. How sickening were the chants: "BB ROCKS" after knowing that most have not been paid and that BB has been less than honest. How many red flags will it take to wake up. For those thinking of joining BT.. Please do your homework. No matter what the current BB affiliates tell you. Where there is this much smoke.. There has to be fire.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/1625492_210689162463075_1390677949_n.jpg

[scamassassin007]

In other news....

I just read a very interesting post that I think Beacon will enjoy with his forensic / accounting background that I think he stated he had a few months ago.

Please Credit Dane Dare for this post:


The other day, I read up on the criminal aspect of liquidation. Here is little copy and paste, although this applies to England & Wales.

Insolvency - Investigation - Enforcement Guide (England & Wales) (http://www.hse.gov.uk/enforce/enforcementguide/investigation/identifying-insolvency.htm#Companies) <--------------


Before you debate... Again, this is not for the IOM, but the process is similar in many countries.

For readers that would like some insight on the Liquidation process...
This information might be of value.

Just FYI stuff....

:RpS_thumbup:

[Beacon]

In other news....

I just read a very interesting post that I think Beacon will enjoy with his forensic / accounting background that I think he stated he had a few months ago.


Eh no... im not a forensic accountantalthough one member of RS is but I would have come across similar to the quite usefull reference you supplied.

[littleroundman]

IM(very)HO, once having decided Banners Broker is a fraud, the only sensible approach is to treat NOTHING Banners Broker related as being entirely as it is presented or appears.

In my (admittedly cynical) view, the real Banners Broker powerbrokers learned from what happened to the last next-big-thing HYIP ponzi frauds, Zeek Rewards and AdSurf Daily.

* Banners Broker "seems" to be largely based in Canada, no one knows for certain.

* The offshore corporations appear to be nothing more than a deliberate attempt to give an air of legitimacy to the large percentage of their victims unfamiliar with the law/s regarding fraud.

* Certainly nobody with even the slightest experience in these matters believes for a second Banners Broker has a physical presence in Belize or the IoM, or that any liquidators will find any assets

* Unlike Zeek and ASD, there is no physical presence. Zeek and ASD made much of the "see, we have a building. If we didn't intend to be here for the long haul, why would we take such long leases" strategy, whereas Banners Broker haven't even bothered to do that.

* The "Banners Broker was ripped off for millions by Kul Josun" was such an obvious pile of male bovine excreta, it came straight off page one of the "HYIP ponzi operator 101" manual. That excuse is so old, even Ken Russo and Faith Sloan would be too ashamed to use it.

Does anyone really believe Josun walked away with $4 million and no one reported it to the police ??

* Other than what you see on your screen, what can anyone "prove" to be "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth" about "Banners Broker" ??

[NikSam]

You didnt admit your claim was in error and therefore you were wrong. You repeated a claim which you now admit was wrong which is exactly what you attribute to "some" I assume you refer to Jason. The thing is we dont know if the source Jason was using is a liar or not ~the jury is still out on that one. Jason may in fact not be in error at all. So it would therefore be dishonest of him to state his source was a liar if he didnt know for a fact that was true. would it not?

Where did I ANYWHERE insist Chris was behind Targus? Please look up "straw man" while you are looking up "ad hominem" would you?

Ok if me admiting that Google Maps as a source was wrong, also requires to say i was wrong, of course i will say it
I was wrong bringing the church up - and allow me to blame Google (source) for that

I wish others who were wrong do the same.

Jason had nothing to do with it, he did not have to admit anything as he said , it was not verified,
and he did not say I am lying when i tried to bring him uptodate on that, or refused to even look at the facts, or continued to pass it on to the rest
(As some people did, and still do)

"Where did I ANYWHERE insist Chris was behind Targus?" - you want to play word games ? saying "source in Nik's opinion was wrong/lying." is kind of saying that the only correction i did was merely just my opinion and not a fact. Makes me think that you think otherwise.

Anyway, why are we doing this here? maybe there should be a thread for people to exercise their "straw man" and "ad hominem" kung-fu skills , so i'll make sure not to go there for a lack of the english language skills.

[scamassassin007]

IM(very)HO, once having decided Banners Broker is a fraud, the only sensible approach is to treat NOTHING Banners Broker related as being entirely as it is presented or appears.

In my (admittedly cynical) view, the real Banners Broker powerbrokers learned from what happened to the last next-big-thing HYIP ponzi frauds, Zeek Rewards and AdSurf Daily.

* Banners Broker "seems" to be largely based in Canada, no one knows for certain.

* The offshore corporations appear to be nothing more than a deliberate attempt to give an air of legitimacy to the large percentage of their victims unfamiliar with the law/s regarding fraud.

* Certainly nobody with even the slightest experience in these matters believes for a second Banners Broker has a physical presence in Belize or the IoM, or that any liquidators will find any assets

* Unlike Zeek and ASD, there is no physical presence. Zeek and ASD made much of the "see, we have a building. If we didn't intend to be here for the long haul, why would we take such long leases" strategy, whereas Banners Broker haven't even bothered to do that.

* The "Banners Broker was ripped off for millions by Kul Josun" was such an obvious pile of male bovine excreta, it came straight off page one of the "HYIP ponzi operator 101" manual. That excuse is so old, even Ken Russo and Faith Sloan would be too ashamed to use it.

Does anyone really believe Josun walked away with $4 million and no one reported it to the police ??

* Other than what you see on your screen, what can anyone "prove" to be "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth" about "Banners Broker" ??

I agree.... All very good points...
And to your point.. It is very funny the rumors being started on the BB skype rooms and inner circles. Hooker, Lieven, Kul, Raj, and other were the cat's meow until they left. They all could do no wrong. I think a lot of rumors were planted. Many came from the leadership calls. Then passed down to the minions. this included storied like "Funds held in Cypress is the real reason.. blahh blahh.. (Last Spring). I heard another BB rumor that Stellar Point took over $300 million from BB. Chris seems to be a master of misinformation. The main goal is to perpetuate the lies and Chris does not always have to be the one heard saying it. .

For a long time I think most of us did not realize Chris's true role. It was confusing as KUL maintained he was the "OWNER CEO even while Chris Smith was on the same call. I am going to save this for another discussion / post, but things are now pointing to the fact that Chris was not a programming / computer genius that he claimed, but rather a genius in another field.

As for BB... The true genius was their propaganda machine. Shouting down all nay Sayers, bashing the disbelievers, and controlling the information. I think Patrick Pretty of PatrickPretty.com was spot on. this is basically cult like behavior. The other part of BB's Genius was the back office. Everyone was passing around their winnings and bragging about the money they made, (Monopoly Money) . Greed took over rationalization. The scammers seem to like programs with quick cash and recruiting bonuses. They are not usually in a program for the long haul. The poster child for this is Dr. Lieven. Banners Broker was a SCAM LEADER'S dream come true, especially with the cash payments.

Hopefully the focus will shift to Chris Smith. I fear whatever money is left might be used for future scams...

[Fat City, LA]

Regarding cult like behavior.
I saw a post on the BB FB page from a member who was beside himself over the blackout.
NOT because he hadnt been paid in a year or that it was a sign of the end.

He was $100 short of a million in his BB account. Raving about some sort of ring you get.
They have spent so much time dreaming/spending of this monopoly $.
The idea that it is fake is incomprehensible to them.

[scamassassin007]

Regarding cult like behavior.
I saw a post on the BB FB page from a member who was beside himself over the blackout.
NOT because he hadnt been paid in a year or that it was a sign of the end.

He was $100 short of a million in his BB account. Raving about some sort of ring you get.
They have spent so much time dreaming/spending of this monopoly $.
The idea that it is fake is incomprehensible to them.

That is too wild. These people are begging to believe. That was my point. I can't feel sorry for them. Someone needs to come up with an "AA" for scams. lol

Lets all pray the BB Cult does not sacrifice Bloggers in some sadistic ritual... lol

[scamassassin007]

Regarding cult like behavior.
I saw a post on the BB FB page from a member who was beside himself over the blackout.
NOT because he hadnt been paid in a year or that it was a sign of the end.

He was $100 short of a million in his BB account. Raving about some sort of ring you get.
They have spent so much time dreaming/spending of this monopoly $.
The idea that it is fake is incomprehensible to them.

Funny you mention that. (The Ring)... I think they play on GREED.
I am not joking when I refer to them as sheep. It is almost a sickness.
Then you have the BB Leaders use these people to their advantage.
You have seen their post....

"Oh Al Sills .. you did such a great job on your video..." "BB ROCKS" (!)

"OH Mark Ghobril, thank you for explaining the facts to us. Let me boost your ego even more" "BB ROCKS" (!)

Translation: :loser:

"Please BB.. Scam others as you have scammed me so I can make money" "BB ROCKS" (!)


:pt:

[HARRISON]

I published this map a few weeks ago and it seems a good time to re-print it.
Google Map is a fickle beast. Give me a real map any day!
As you can see, its definitely the vipers nest.

7102

[Fat City, LA]

That is too wild. These people are begging to believe. That was my point. I can't feel sorry for them. Someone needs to come up with an "AA" for scams. lol

Lets all pray the BB Cult does not sacrifice Bloggers in some sadistic ritual... lol

BB FB page has @100 names of the brainwashed I recognize as getting burnt bad by Zeek, JBP and its follow ups, and especiallly PS.
If your stupid today, your stupid tomorrow.

Ghobril has a FB page that is nothing but bitstips. Mark as Zeus, Hanging with Gollum, As Charlie Chaplin, etc.
It is very trippy and ODD.
Havent posted it due to no MLM/scam content on it.

[scamassassin007]

Remember When... "A CULT CLASSIC"

Here is one of the earlier videos that plays on the Banners Broker Company "Straight Line Cycler Doubler"

He even offers a $10,000 Guarantee. Uploaded on Jan 3, 2011


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EqWryjg4qo



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[scamassassin007]

Who saw this coming?

Thanks to Gianluca Pascarella for the find!

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So Let's Change The Rules Every Week. All Bets Are Off Now. "OOPS WE LIED THEN.. But This Is Now" (!)

Yes Chris Smith...
They Are Talking About This COMPANY Video!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NVipwmymtE

Chris.. Was Kul Not An Executive / "OWNER"???? We have recorded webinars saying such.

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...................................http://finchsells.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/straightline-cycler-doubler.jpg

..........................................Ring a Bell Chris?

More Lies

Banners Broker Is A
S C A M

[Beacon]

...
* Banners Broker "seems" to be largely based in Canada, no one knows for certain.


We do know the residency and whereabouts of several main players and their girlfriends.


* The offshore corporations appear to be nothing more than a deliberate attempt to give an air of legitimacy to the large percentage of their victims unfamiliar with the law/s regarding fraud.

* Certainly nobody with even the slightest experience in these matters believes for a second Banners Broker has a physical presence in Belize or the IoM, or that any liquidators will find any assets

But they are evidence that Raj Chris Ana and others in Ireland, UK, India were linked to this scam.


* Unlike Zeek and ASD, there is no physical presence. Zeek and ASD made much of the "see, we have a building. If we didn't intend to be here for the long haul, why would we take such long leases" strategy, whereas Banners Broker haven't even bothered to do that.


Actually they DID use that excuse in Cork Goa and Manchester.



* Other than what you see on your screen, what can anyone "prove" to be "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth" about "Banners Broker" ??
[/quote]

We can certainly prove several people were linked to it and falsely misrepresented it as a business.

[Beacon]

Ok if me admiting that Google Maps as a source was wrong, also requires to say i was wrong, of course i will say it
I was wrong bringing the church up



Thank you for that frank admission


- and allow me to blame Google (source) for that


that I cant do. Citation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citation)

Citation has several important purposes: to uphold intellectual honesty (or avoiding plagiarism),[1] to attribute prior or unoriginal work and ideas to the correct sources, to allow the reader to determine independently whether the referenced material supports the author's argument in the claimed way, and to help the reader gauge the strength and validity of the material the author has used

The datum was spurious and the citation was specious but the erroneous assumption you made based on it was all your own work.


I wish others who were wrong do the same.


Which is either an additional unproven assumption or a "sweeping statement" both of which are fallacies.




"Where did I ANYWHERE insist Chris was behind Targus?" - you want to play word games ? saying "source in Nik's opinion was wrong/lying." is kind of saying that the only correction i did was merely just my opinion and not a fact. Makes me think that you think otherwise.


P:All communists have beards
Q: Beacon has a beard
We can not conclude that therefore R: Beacon is a communist
whether or not you posted "fact" isnt the issue here The issue is I didnt suggest you "fact" was wrong. I didnt say it was right either but that is beside the point. I clearly did not say Chris is behind Targus.

In addition "kind of" saying is not "saying"

FWIW about a year ago IIR in this thread several records were posted about the name change of Beford limited and setting up the Isle of Man company I think they were in PDF format I could be wrong.


Anyway, why are we doing this here? maybe there should be a thread for people to exercise their "straw man" and "ad hominem" kung-fu skills , so i'll make sure not to go there for a lack of the english language skills.

It is by being exposed to logical fallacies many years ago that i learned about them We can all commit them. One of my particular skills is analysis and identifying salient points of an argument. It is also one of my weaknesses as I tend to over analyse and to be coldly analytical. But there is a reason. Fasttalkers scammers and hoodwinkers find such modes of communication intolerable. And look up "affifming the consequent" in case you think I am implying that you are any of these types. You supply a welcome input to the BB discussion and I hope you continue to do so in a constructive way.

[scamassassin007]

More BB Statements Rolling In....

Seemingly To Grasp At Straws While Trying To Come Up With Answers. (LIES)

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All Of The Processors??

Pay Pal?? A Merchant Accounts With Visa & Master Card??

@ Chris Smith... We All Know It Does Not Matter What You Say Today... You Will Simply Change The Policy Tomorrow.

*Credit To Dan Dare For The Find

[scamassassin007]

Today In BB Land...

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Mark Ghobril's Comic Strip


*Thanks Tom & Dan - Joint Effort and inspired by our very own RS: Fat City LA

[Ken Roklin]

Too bad that address "250 jarvis street, toronto" is a Baptist church, which might be a dead end and our Chris is not a Chris at all.

You should have VERIFIED your information. I don't believe the Condo tower is a Baptist Church, not saying no Baptists live there, but a church? The church you are referring to is at the corner of Gerrard and Jarvis, 130 Gerrard St E, Toronto.

"Home for Sale at 250 Jarvis St, Toronto, ON CA. ... 250 Jarvis St is a lovely ten story condo building fantastically located just steps away from Dundas Square "

[Ken Roklin]

IM(very)HO, once having decided Banners Broker is a fraud, the only sensible approach is to treat NOTHING Banners Broker related as being entirely as it is presented or appears.

In my (admittedly cynical) view, the real Banners Broker powerbrokers learned from what happened to the last next-big-thing HYIP ponzi frauds, Zeek Rewards and AdSurf Daily.



Does anyone really believe Josun walked away with $4 million and no one reported it to the police ??

* Other than what you see on your screen, what can anyone "prove" to be "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth" about "Banners Broker" ??

My source confirmed that Josun did walk away with a large sum of money, but would not confirm the $4 mil when pushed for the amount. How can you go to the police when you are running a Ponzi? The police in which country since it is an offshore corporation?

[littleroundman]

We do know the residency and whereabouts of several main players and their girlfriends.

No "we" don't.

"We" know the identity of several of the nominated front men, but "we" have no real idea of who is really behind it and ESPECIALLY have no idea where the money ends up.


But they are evidence that Raj Chris Ana and others in Ireland, UK, India were linked to this scam.

Is anyone disputing the fact those people are "linked" ? It's evidence, yes. Evidence that is of no practical value if, as many suspect, the offshore entities are no more than valueless shelf companies, designed to deceive the unwary into believing in the legitimacy of Banners Broker.


We can certainly prove several people were linked to it and falsely misrepresented it as a business.

Which means what in practical terms ??

The first post in this thread was made by Soapboxmom on October 22, 2010.

There has never been any doubt it has been "falsely represented as a business" or by whom.

None of the public faces have tried to hide their involvement, so no "proof" is necessary.

Banners Broker is not "Chris Smith" or "Kul Whatsisname"

Banners Broker is a co operative effort by hundreds, if not thousands of professional and semi professional fraudsters known collectively as the "HYIP ponzi industry"

In fact, I wouldn't mind hazarding a guess that Smiffy and the other public faces of BB are way down on the list of who profited the most AND, they've had since October 2012 when BB made its' last "payouts" to cover their tracks, launder the money and move on to the next "big thing"

[scamassassin007]

My source confirmed that Josun did walk away with a large sum of money, but would not confirm the $4 mil when pushed for the amount.
How can you go to the police when you are running a Ponzi? The police in which country since it is an offshore corporation?

@ Ken... I agree.. I have heard similar.

Didn't The BB Circles Claim there was a law-suit or law-suit threat and both Lieven and Kul were paid off?

I have never seen this proven, but I bring this up because there is so much "MISINFORMATION and RUMORS" I think spread by the BB propaganda machine and on the BB Skype chatter Rooms.

Some of this might be by design. Then again, I one has to wonder if Chris caves in when a threat of court comes into play Some in BB chatter on the past also mentioned a fewi individuals with large accounts (earlier on) suing BB and getting a settlement from Chris.

Again, I have seen no proof of this. My point is I wonder if there is some merit to the propaganda as an excuse and if Chris really does fear the courts.

In short - We have to give BB credit as a SCAM. The real genius is their propaganda machine. I am amazed at the SPIN and the lies they come up with. Earlier I gave examples of the inner circle excuses. The BS rolls even thicker on the "LEADERS CALLS"... One almost needs boots to wade through it all. .

As for the Police... I think they can go after the local affiliate Scammers and not just the company. I predict that more and more you will see this. They sort of did this with Zeek.(Mention of going after the bigger payout affiliates ) and they did arrest affiliates in Profitable Sunrise in the U.S. . Even as an affiliate, you still have to abide by the rules and laws. You can not make claims of 2% per day, promote investing, and making claim that contain all the other naughty SEC keywords that you are not supposed to say. Many Countries like the UK, Canada, and the USA have similar laws. HYIP's are not legal in most countries. Hopefully they will go after the SCAM LEADERS. Especially in BB's case with all the CASH PAYMENTS that were made directly.

SCAMMERS BEWARE!

[scamassassin007]

No "we" don't.

Banners Broker is a co operative effort by hundreds, if not thousands of professional and semi professional fraudsters known collectively as the "HYIP ponzi industry"

In fact, I wouldn't mind hazarding a guess that Smiffy and the other public faces of BB are way down on the list of who profited the most AND, they've had since October 2012 when BB made its' last "payouts" to cover their tracks, launder the money and move on to the next "big thing"


I have to Agree with this as well. I have noticed a trend with the scams., Many Leaders pick the programs with the "Front End Commissions Or FAST Money that can be extracted. Case in point. Lieven. He seemed to pick programs he made all his money on the front end, not the back end. These "PROFESSIONAL SCAMMERS" analyze programs good and bad to see how they can rape and pillage. In BB's case, many of the Scammers made a lot on the "FRONT END" with the cash payments. They also start "TEAMS" to Harvest Lists and get all of your personal sponsored referrals for their next scam. Many like Lieven, Simon and Mark and all the rest run this like a well oiled machine to their advantage. Few Professional Scammers pick a program for the long term.

So the Professional Scammers is a very good point that is not brought up enough.
This is why it is good to pay attention to people by name, like the ridiculous videos that Al Sills makes, so future victims will remember past scams and ponzi's. These professional Scammers always seem to recover and have the "NEXT BEST THING" before the collapse of the past scam. You can bet that they run the numbers on a potential dilly before they get involved to make sure it fits their ambitious greed. No apologies, take no prisoners.

I used to enjoy "The Guardian Uno' posts on MMG as he did an outstanding job with the follow up of the "Professional Scammers" from this angle mentioned above. *** RIP ***

To your point, They are just as guilty as Chris Smith. we may never know how much money they really made on the front end if you consider all the cash payments. They were even rolling down the panels when they changed the rules rather then sell them directly. Ask Mark Ghobril's and Simon's Victims about that (As With Others) . They figured out that loop hole right away.

[littleroundman]

How can you go to the police when you are running a Ponzi?

Err, isn't that the whole point of why it's brought up so often ??

* What legitimate business owners would simply look the other way if a couple of million bucks disappeared ??
That sort of thing only happens in HYIP ponziworld. In fact, it is probably the most commonly used excuse to explain why payments are slow or reduced. AdSurf Daily blamed the Russian Mafia, TagVillage said it was Pakistani PayPal hackers and "my partner" has copped the blame on hundreds of occasions.


The police in which country since it is an offshore corporation?

For goodness' sakes, Ken.

What is this obsession with offshore corporations being some sort of protection for criminals ??

The people are in Canada, the offenses took place in Canada and incorporation is no protection against criminal activity.

If anything, any charges would be against individuals AND the incorporated body/s

IF the Canadian authorities got off their bureaucratic a****s, that is.

As it is, the criminals have got over a years' head start hiding the money already.

[NikSam]

Lately i counted at least 5 people here who all have multiple 'sources' , 'insiders' , and 'secret birds'.
Coming up with information who they failed to provide a slightest thing to back up with, most of it turned out to be not true.

Which brings a good point -
Why such 'insiders' running away from me as from fire, never came to people who verify things, never came to someone who busting scams on regular basis,
never came to PatrickPretty, BehindMLM, Finch and other pre-BB established Blogs.

But they all seem coming to people who was duped to believe in and invested in BannersBroker, and to nobody else.

Is there an army of those 'insiders' , if there is why BB is still free in the open , why those 'insiders' do not come to authorities ? :)

If they want a story to get out why they go to people , who are most limited to do exactly that and can only go and "bla" about it on forums ?

[Whip]

Lately i counted at least 5 people here who all have multiple 'sources' , 'insiders' , and 'secret birds'.


I only have angry birds. http://www.picgifs.com/games-gifs/games-gifs/angry-birds/picgifs-angry-birds-8610680.gif

[scamassassin007]

Lately i counted at least 5 people here who all have multiple 'sources' , 'insiders' , and 'secret birds'.
Coming up with information who they failed to provide a slightest thing to back up with, most of it turned out to be not true.

Which brings a good point -
Why such 'insiders' running away from me as from fire, never came to people who verify things, never came to someone who busting scams on regular basis,
never came to PatrickPretty, BehindMLM, Finch and other pre-BB established Blogs.

But they all seem coming to people who was duped to believe in and invested in BannersBroker, and to nobody else.

Is there an army of those 'insiders' , if there is why BB is still free in the open , why those 'insiders' do not come to authorities ? :)

If they want a story to get out why they go to people , who are most limited to do exactly that and can only go and "bla" about it on forums ?

First of all, not sure "What Insiders" you are talking about or what you are talking about. I was all over the LIES of the looking for rats story posted on PartickPretty regarding the "CULT COMMENT".

I personally was involved with getting people to go to the Canadian Authorities including the Canadian Fraud Crime Unit. There were issues even the Canadians have which can be very bureaucratic and not as easy as you claim.

Here are some other reasons victims do not come forward:
☑Not worth the Time or hassle
☑Many have Written off BB as a loss and moved on (Which BB should have saved a lot of money but for another discussion)
☑Friendships, to start an issue would involve upline friendships
☑Taxes, many online affiliates do not pay taxes
☑Many of the affiliates have also recruited so they feel the finger might get pointed at them.
☑There are many reasons and they are not always black and white.

Sorry to tell you this but I get messages from victims almost daily.

The best thing we have all done is warn FRESH potential victims from this scam. Chris was very smart to stay away from the USA. I have been on the phone with the Canadian officials and even a REAL journalist.
They have fraud cases that can be backed up for years. They do not have the lavish investigative manpower and budget that of the U.S. Also, for their federal authority to get really involved, they would like to have complaints from all of the provinces and not just Ontario.

Chris tried to SPIN this on validation BTW with the Ontario Securities Commission. We never did see a final report and they, like the U.S. SEC, are looking at things from the angle of investments and securities and not fraud. This is back when Chris was also to have an internal audit and he would release the info. ***COUGH***

People have come forward, and for their protection, their names are not going to be released to the blogs. My bigger point is that this is very complex and jurisdictions and other things come into play. Chris made this complex by design with all the shell companies. On this note, Hopefully I will have information in a few weeks that will prove something else about MR. Smith and his Real Genius was not Banners Broker.

Some of us have taken the time to make calls and source information. *** Like call the Firm involved with the Liquidation before I opened my mouth. ***
These guys know what they are doing and would not go after BB for pennies. Nothing is 100% but at least something is being done!

Many have been helped on facebook helping victims with chargebacks. This and getting the word out to warn potential victims is also important. Waiting for the Authorities is taking too long.

Again, Things are not always so easy.

Some in here want to pass judgement all the time They have not seen the inner BB machine at work and how things are done. There have been some very good points made on this page in the last few days but some would rather demonize than fight for the cause.

I count only one angry bird... LOL @ Whip !

[ribshaw]

That is too wild. These people are begging to believe. That was my point. I can't feel sorry for them. Someone needs to come up with an "AA" for scams. lol



This is truly one of the biggest mysteries in the scam world. There are universal maxims such as "If it is too good to be true", and "Don't put all your eggs in one basket" that have stood true for am guessing like 2 years gives or takes. Yet so many of these people have been burned not just once, but on numerous programs. And to boot, they never come back and say I was ripped off, or the story was impossible, it is always the government or the bloggers. As if they are compulsive gamblers who either yearn for the action, or think there is some system that can overcome the vig.

[ribshaw]

My source confirmed that Josun did walk away with a large sum of money, but would not confirm the $4 mil when pushed for the amount.

I am reminded of the story of the old lady that goes to see an attorney to have her will done. After it was complete the attorney says that will be $100, the lady reaches in her purse and pays him with a crisp bill. After she has left, the attorney realizes that there were two bills stuck together. Now he is left with the moral decision of whether or not he shares the windfall with his partners.


Methinks there has to be theft as the whole organization is filled with whores, but when you couple this yarn with all the others, even Mother Goose looks like a hack in comparison. There is just no way this could be occurring if they were actually buying and selling ads.

[scamassassin007]

I am reminded of the story of the old lady that goes to see an attorney to have her will done. After it was complete the attorney says that will be $100, the lady reaches in her purse and pays him with a crisp bill. After she has left, the attorney realizes that there were two bills stuck together. Now he is left with the moral decision of whether or not he shares the windfall with his partners.

Methinks there has to be theft as the whole organization is filled with whores, but when you couple this yarn with all the others, even Mother Goose looks like a hack in comparison.

There is just no way this could be occurring if they were actually buying and selling ads.
Which is Why we have called Chris out for their recent denial thjat BB was never Passive. We have a lot of video and marketing evidence Claimed if you joined BB:
☑It was PASSIVE
☑Compared To An Investment
☑Compared To Pensions
☑You did not have to recruit
☑No selling
☑BB sold for you on the Blind Network
☑Any Effort was OPTIONAL

I would guess that over 99% of the Marketing had little to do with a REAL product.

Then there is the debate that they actually had a real product. Some claim they had a little at the beginning.

But as an OPPORTUNITY, BB was promoted as Passive.

Most of the Scammer Leaders Had To Of None This.

[Ken Roklin]

@ Ken... I agree.. I have heard similar.

As for the Police... I think they can go after the local affiliate Scammers and not just the company. I predict that more and more you will see this. They sort of did this with Zeek.(Mention of going after the bigger payout affiliates ) and they did arrest affiliates in Profitable Sunrise in the U.S. . Even as an affiliate, you still have to abide by the rules and laws. You can not make claims of 2% per day, promote investing, and making claim that contain all the other naughty SEC keywords that you are not supposed to say. Many Countries like the UK, Canada, and the USA have similar laws. HYIP's are not legal in most countries. Hopefully they will go after the SCAM LEADERS. Especially in BB's case with all the CASH PAYMENTS that were made directly.

SCAMMERS BEWARE!

What I meant was how could Chris have gone to the police regarding Kul. There is no way Chris or Raj/SP wanted to have the police involved in anything and that is why he got paid off. I agree police and applicable authorities should go after every promoter of these scams. Unfortunately they just don't have the manpower to go after all of them.

[Della Cate]

Scamassasin007, you quoted the following about BB:-

There is just no way this could be occurring if they were actually buying and selling ads.
Which is Why we have called Chris out for their recent denial thjat BB was never Passive. We have a lot of video and marketing evidence Claimed if you joined BB:
☑It was PASSIVE
☑Compared To An Investment
☑Compared To Pensions
☑You did not have to recruit
☑No selling
☑BB sold for you on the Blind Network
☑Any Effort was OPTIONAL

Quite right S007. Here is the front page from one of the BB pimps from the south west of the UK. He used to have a bigger site, but he took idt down last April, all except this one page. There is an arrow at the bottom of the page (not shown) which, if you click on it, leads to the BB main site. This person was an active recruiter. He attended recruitnment meetings in Bristol and actively encouraged others to go to them. But look at how he describes BB. Sounds pretty passive to me.....and this page is still out there to this day. (And as far as I know, this person is still involved, including with Bb Mobile, and has cranked up his Twitter account in accordance with the diktats of the BB hierarchy. So I would class him as a true believer...!)

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[HARRISON]

:RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_ lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol:


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[Beacon]

No "we" don't.

"We" know the identity of several of the nominated front men, but "we" have no real idea of who is really behind it and ESPECIALLY have no idea where the money ends up.


You are suggesting that Raj Lorenzo Chris and a mumber of others havent made any money from this and that mast of it is possibly in the hands of so unknown "Mr Big". To which I say tosh and piffle! Clearly we have plenty of evidence of involvement of several people and we also have evidence of people being given money and we also have evidence of the lifestyle and spending habits of certain people. It is nonsense to assume Raj Chris and others didnt make money out of this. Their active involvement is all over it and there are plenty of people who can prove they gave money to several top end players.



Is anyone disputing the fact those people are "linked" ? It's evidence, yes. Evidence that is of no practical value if, as many suspect, the offshore entities are no more than valueless shelf companies, designed to deceive the unwary into believing in the legitimacy of Banners Broker.


One does not need to prove where all the money is now or who has it. All one needs to show is certain people relieved certain amounts of money and also that people mis represented this as a fake business and are on record doing so. One does not have to account for every single wriongfull act or crime jusyt provide evidence of the ones people are accused of.






There has never been any doubt it has been "falsely represented as a business" or by whom.

None of the public faces have tried to hide their involvement, so no "proof" is necessary.


Whether you or I have a doubt isnt at issue. Whether evidence supports the accusations against them is the issue. And providing proof is necessary as people are assumed innocent in the absence of evidence to show they are guilty.


Banners Broker is not "Chris Smith" or "Kul Whatsisname"


Irrelevant. What is relevant is that Stepsys/Raj/Chris or whomsoever is accused of a crime or a breach of the law is shown by evidence to have broken that law. The level of damages are another issue.


Banners Broker is a co operative effort by hundreds, if not thousands of professional and semi professional fraudsters known collectively as the "HYIP ponzi industry"


You cant tale the "HYIO ponzi industry" to court! You can take a legal entity such as individuals or regisdered companies. You can take them whether or not they have assets but you cant take non people to court.



In fact, I wouldn't mind hazarding a guess that Smiffy and the other public faces of BB are way down on the list of who profited the most AND, they've had since October 2012 when BB made its' last "payouts" to cover their tracks, launder the money and move on to the next "big thing"

Again it isnt necessary to fine the "head" nor will cutting off the head necessarily kill the beast. But it is necessary to eventually start pursueing actions against some people.

[Beacon]

My source confirmed that Josun did walk away with a large sum of money, but would not confirm the $4 mil when pushed for the amount. How can you go to the police when you are running a Ponzi? The police in which country since it is an offshore corporation?
The only police that can really do anything are the police in the contry in which Kul is in ( or an outside police force with jurisdictional accepted enforceable powers of extradition)

[Beacon]

This is truly one of the biggest mysteries in the scam world. There are universal maxims such as "If it is too good to be true", and "Don't put all your eggs in one basket" that have stood true for am guessing like 2 years gives or takes. Yet so many of these people have been burned not just once, but on numerous programs. And to boot, they never come back and say I was ripped off, or the story was impossible, it is always the government or the bloggers. As if they are compulsive gamblers who either yearn for the action, or think there is some system that can overcome the vig.

I havecommentedon this before. It isnt a mystery in my view. Bob altemeyer indicated the same type of "follower" in relation to Right Wing Authoritarianism and fundamentalist religious groups. I would think from personal experience of some of them that they exhiobit the same "follower" mindset and the team leaders and senior scammers display the "leader" mindset. It is all in his book https://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

In addition I have referred to the anatomy of scams
http://www.realscam.com/f8/banners-broker-hyip-ponzi-scam-897/index305.html#post57534
It isnt necessary to identify the Syndicate.

[littleroundman]

You are suggesting that Raj Lorenzo Chris and a mumber of others havent made any money from this and that mast of it is possibly in the hands of so unknown "Mr Big"

I'm sorry, I didn't know you have extra sensory perception and know what I am suggesting better than I do.

I am not suggesting anything.

We don't know and can't know unless and until someone gets inside the inner workings of Banners Broker where the money has ended up.


It is nonsense to assume Raj Chris and others didn't make money out of this.

Here we go again with the psychic phenomena.


That's my whole point.

PEOPLE made money out of this.

Who made what and their actual degree of involvement we don't know.

I could propose the theory that a gang of international terrorists paid Chris Smith handsomely to front a fraud to rise funds for training camps in the Ural Mountains and no one could prove me wrong.

IT'S A FRAUD.

Fraudsters lie, deceive, forge, exaggerate and deliberately lay false trails.

That's what they do.

Go and research the history of 'net based HYIP fraud over the past 20 years, then come back and tell me you think a handful of people in Canada put this thing together on their own and have the money in their hot little hands as we speak.

[scamassassin007]

Scamassasin007, you quoted the following about BB:-

There is just no way this could be occurring if they were actually buying and selling ads.
Which is Why we have called Chris out for their recent denial thjat BB was never Passive. We have a lot of video and marketing evidence Claimed if you joined BB:
☑It was PASSIVE
☑Compared To An Investment
☑Compared To Pensions
☑You did not have to recruit
☑No selling
☑BB sold for you on the Blind Network
☑Any Effort was OPTIONAL

Quite right S007. Here is the front page from one of the BB pimps from the south west of the UK. He used to have a bigger site, but he took idt down last April, all except this one page. There is an arrow at the bottom of the page (not shown) which, if you click on it, leads to the BB main site. This person was an active recruiter. He attended recruitment meetings in Bristol and actively encouraged others to go to them. But look at how he describes BB. Sounds pretty passive to me.....and this page is still out there to this day. (And as far as I know, this person is still involved, including with Bb Mobile, and has cranked up his Twitter account in accordance with the diktats of the BB hierarchy. So I would class him as a true believer...!)

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/q71/s720x720/1972312_214682935397031_1755766217_n.jpg

They Must Be Joking To Think They Can Get Away With More Lies!

They Can't Change History!

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Good Find Della. Re-posted on FB. Thanks!
Where to start... Even more naughty SEC words.. "RETURN" is an investment term. The whole ad is just asking for trouble.
"Completely ethical and legal in some 170 countries around the world" was a nice touch. If you are going to LIE might as well go all out!

Hell, why not through in retirement benefits and and a time share vacation condo get away.

Did I ever mention that Banners Broker is a SCAM?

:pt:

[littleroundman]

And providing proof is necessary

In a court it is necessary, sure.

But, REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com) isn't a court, nor does it pretend to be anything other than what it is, a forum which allows members to speak out against what they perceive to be "scams" in an effort to assist readers to decide for themselves whether or not to risk their money.

In fact as the logo in the top left corner of the forum says quite clearly:

http://www.realscam.com/images/misc/realscam-logo1.gif

YOU DECIDE

There's no tie in with law enforcement, nor is there any claim to be an "official" site with connections to law enforcement.

IOW, it's consumers using their experience/s to warn consumers.

[scamassassin007]

In a court it is necessary, sure.


IOW, it's consumers using their experience/s to warn consumers.


It Is!

Banners Broker Is A SCAM!

[scamassassin007]

Please Give A Round Of Applause To This Years Miss Scam 2014

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/q71/s720x720/1604429_214689082063083_333561028_n.jpg

*Credit To Dan Dare :RpS_thumbsup:

[littleroundman]

Please Give A Round Of Applause To This Years Miss Scam 2014

*Credit To Dan Dare :RpS_thumbsup:

Thank you very much.

Now I have that image burned on my brain and I'll never get it out.

Dan Dare is one very sick puppy.

[HARRISON]

Lately i counted at least 5 people here who all have multiple 'sources' , 'insiders' , and 'secret birds'.
Coming up with information who they failed to provide a slightest thing to back up with, most of it turned out to be not true.

Which brings a good point -
Why such 'insiders' running away from me as from fire, never came to people who verify things, never came to someone who busting scams on regular basis,
never came to PatrickPretty, BehindMLM, Finch and other pre-BB established Blogs.

But they all seem coming to people who was duped to believe in and invested in BannersBroker, and to nobody else.

Is there an army of those 'insiders' , if there is why BB is still free in the open , why those 'insiders' do not come to authorities ? :)

If they want a story to get out why they go to people , who are most limited to do exactly that and can only go and "bla" about it on forums ?

NikSam,
I can't speak for anybody else but I have a 'source' who (surprise, surprise) has not given me there real name but who used to work for Chris.He/she has given me photographic evidence to prove this which I have no intention of making public. This person is genuinely worried about there safety and I respect this.

The information this person has given me has been put on my blog and has been PROVED to be correct as time has passed. Most importantly, this person reads what I write and continues to give me information. This is all I care about.
The great thing about this forum is that we can debate the information and inbetween the spats and good spirited banter we eventually arrive at the truth?

[littleroundman]

The great thing about this forum is that we can debate the information and inbetween the spats and good spirited banter we eventually arrive at the truth?

EXACTLY

Which is why the tag under the names of the admins says "Administrator" and not "hall monitor" or "fight breaker upper"

[Poyol]

Lately i counted at least 5 people here who all have multiple 'sources' , 'insiders' , and 'secret birds'.
Coming up with information who they failed to provide a slightest thing to back up with, most of it turned out to be not true.

Which brings a good point -
Why such 'insiders' running away from me as from fire, never came to people who verify things, never came to someone who busting scams on regular basis,
never came to PatrickPretty, BehindMLM, Finch and other pre-BB established Blogs.

But they all seem coming to people who was duped to believe in and invested in BannersBroker, and to nobody else.

Is there an army of those 'insiders' , if there is why BB is still free in the open , why those 'insiders' do not come to authorities ? :)

If they want a story to get out why they go to people , who are most limited to do exactly that and can only go and "bla" about it on forums ?

I'm kind of a pre-established Banners Broker antagonist.

[NikSam]

I'm kind of a pre-established Banners Broker antagonist.

You still believed and invested in BB and started busting it only after you realized you've been scammed.
It indicates at one point your critical reasoning and hunger for the facts was suppressed.

[Beacon]

You still believed and invested in BB and started busting it only after you realized you've been scammed.
It indicates at one point your critical reasoning and hunger for the facts was suppressed.

Lets not stoop to blaming the victims here.

Philosophically two issues jump out to me.

1. Operational matters. From a police/regulation perspective someone broke a law or did something wrong. The "authorities" whether they be regulative enforcement, courts or whatever have to deal with a legal person ( a company or an actual human being) and act on them. It has been suggested that maybe they/we haven't identified the actual scale of the scam or who is really behind it. I would contend that it is quite probable we will never know the full extent and possible that some who benefited will remain unknown. Nevertheless is it of paramount importance that legal or societal forces ACT. I would also say along the lines of "justice delayed is justice denied" that the delay in action by authorities is already an injustice against victims but this in turn is complicated by both the reticence of victims to report it and by the jurisdictional issues in the next point. In short action should happen ASAP.

2. Legislative matters. As this scam is global and related to the internet there are elements which may be ultra vires with respect to one or more sovereign authorities. It is important then that jurisdictional matters be settled so that extradition, or admissibility of evidence allows for prosecution to happen. This also has implications for not alone the enforceability or judicial process but for the application on an equal basis. In short similar scams should be illegal in different countries and not allowable in some places while illegal in others and the police in one place should be able to apprehend those in another. This is a thorny political matter of criminal-jurisdiction/extradition/heavens for criminals as well as up to date legislation taking into account modern technology and should happen in parallel with enforcement.

[Poyol]

You still believed and invested in BB and started busting it only after you realized you've been scammed.
It indicates at one point your critical reasoning and hunger for the facts was suppressed.

At one point.
Back before you joined Realscam - I was here already and had been on scam[.]com

I may have had a minor lapse in naivety; but that does not dismiss the fact that I have been at the forefront (amongst others) shining light on Banners Broker - and have done so quite well. I'm on of the people who got Irish newspapers involved - I have helped to educate Irish newspaper readers.

Yes, you've been here a while NikSam but so have others. You'll be surprised to know that other well-respected scam-busters were once victims.

So, as I have said already wind your neck in.

Jason

[scamassassin007]

You still believed and invested in BB and started busting it only after you realized you've been scammed.
It indicates at one point your critical reasoning and hunger for the facts was suppressed.

Enough is enough! People coming here get confused with the senseless post attacks just to look for something wrong. Most in here have contributed to the warning new victims about BAnners Broker and hopefully made current BB affiliates see the light. Even your local businesses can go bad of fail. Yes, there are a lot of scams out there. Not everyone is aware of it and many have good intentions.

I do not blame anyone that joined Banners Broker of any scam if they joined with good intentions. I do blame those who have intentionally hidden they truth and the facts. I blame those who are still recruiting knowing there are serious issues with a program and refuse to let new prospects (VICTIMS) know before they join or get scammed out of their money.

I also want to bring up our main role as I se it and that is of awareness. I donlt think any of us have lar degrees so let;s not pretend we are attorneys. Discussion is one thing but the mindless debating only to stroke ones ego is getting losing sight of the main focus and that is to identify Banners Broker as a SCAM and to point out individuals who are scamming. The courts can sort of the EXACT details. When peoiple search for information, they need to see that there is something more than the lies and the propaganda that they are being told.

Many affiliates belong to private skype rooms and other BB forums where they are isolates from reality and the facts and pressured to listen to the excuses and lies. There are rumors and excuses being spread regarding excuses and we have proven that by posting many of the private comments. BB has a well oiled propaganda machine and they are very good at this. Sometimes sources have to be protected. For you to try to accuse others in here of doing wrong is ridiculous when you have contributed little but to cloud the issues.

YOu have been wrong many times. You recently claimed that BBI was in Belize. This is why you jumped to the conclusions so fast that the address was a church. Your goal was to prove you knew more than us and not to bring attention to Banners Broker which I thought was the main focus of this page.

IT IS VERY EASY TO BE AN ARMCHAIR GOOGLE SEARCH EXPERT ON EVERY TOPIC and you DO NOT HAVE THE FINAL WORD on every topic!

I intend to keep doing what many have done in this forum and to others and to raise awareness. People do not have time to read mindless back and forth petty opinions. Many simply want to see other points of view. Many BB affiliates have seen the light because of our posts. The search engines are no longer bombarded with a blitz of BB scam propaganda. If you google Banners Broker Scam or Banners broker ponzi scam, the facebook page many of us have worked hard to pos is number one and it gets a lot of hits. Youtube is no longer dominated with only pro-BB info.

Many affiliates have been helped to get their money back or to stop and take a second look. So before you criticize others who have given their time and worked hard to stop BB, maybe "GET OF YOUR HIGH HORSE" and come back to earth. Poyol, Tara,myself and many others have even spent our own time and money in this cause. Some here have the expense of a BLog to get the word out. Dan Dare spent his own money on the purchase of documents that you yourself would not do.

A simple google search also does not hold up in court and again does not make you the final authority on the facts. In my opinion, you are doing more to help Banners Broker than to stop them. As for Chris Smith, he might not be the computer wiz that he claims to be, but he does seem to be a master of deception. He has a history of starting shell companies and creating a legal smoke screen. this is one reason why he is many steps ahead of the authorities which have been slow to act.

My Final Point:

Did I Mention That:
Banners Broker Is A SCAM! http://www.netanimations.net/animated_arrow_left_11.gif http://www.netanimations.net/animated_arrow_left_11.gif http://www.netanimations.net/animated_arrow_left_11.gif

[Beacon]

In a court it is necessary, sure.

But, REALSCAM.com (http://www.realscam.com) isn't a court, nor does it pretend to be anything other than what it is, a forum which allows members to speak out against what they perceive to be "scams" in an effort to assist readers to decide for themselves whether or not to risk their money.

In fact as the logo in the top left corner of the forum says quite clearly:

http://www.realscam.com/images/misc/realscam-logo1.gif

YOU DECIDE

There's no tie in with law enforcement, nor is there any claim to be an "official" site with connections to law enforcement.

IOW, it's consumers using their experience/s to warn consumers.

So you are saying Realscam is just a talking shop and should have no dealings whatsoever as to whether people are actually guilty of anything or should have to answer for that?

I beg to differ. When criminal acts happen it isn't an issue of people deciding for themselves whether or not they were abused. Action has to happen whether or not the victim thinks they are deciding for themselves whether they are a victim.

Im not saying RS are the police or should have any part in judging people clearly that is ridiculous. But RS, or its membership or the debate raised by them should have a role in commenting on and calling for action. In the same way Amnesty International or RSPCC may comment on human rights or child abuse but they also campaign for action against abusers and for laws to be enforced.

[Beacon]

I'm sorry, I didn't know you have extra sensory perception and know what I am suggesting better than I do.

I am not suggesting anything.


Yes you are! We can refer to what you actually posted
In response to "We do know the residency and whereabouts of several main players and their girlfriends." You stated


No "we" don't.

"We" know the identity of several of the nominated front men, but "we" have no real idea of who is really behind it and ESPECIALLY have no idea where the money ends up.


Please look up "only true scotsman" under "logical fallacy" if you are going to claim Raj Dixit is not a "real" main player or that Stepsys has not made money from this. ther is clear evidence presented to the Crewe court that Stepsys was given money as part of Banners Broker. There is clear evidence of Dixit being involved with several companies and the building in Toronto and people coming from abroad as part of adding image to the scam and of his involvement in the World tour in Canada Manchester, dublin and Portugal. One does not need to be psychic to accept all this evidence. call these people "front men" if you want but we KNOW about them! I don't see any reason why they should not be dealt with ASAP.



We don't know and can't know unless and until someone gets inside the inner workings of Banners Broker where the money has ended up.


So what? Either you are claiming
1. Someone else we don't know about was involved at a higher level or
2. whoever was involved we may never know

So what? We DO know to whom people gave some money. We dont have to prove where that ultimately money went. If I have a video of you stealing cash form my house it isnt necessary for me to find out where all those actual notes are today or if you also stole from other houses or you worked for a big gang that stole from others. All that is necessary is to show that money was stolen



Here we go again with the psychic phenomena.


No psychic phenomena involved. Raj had no other business I am aware of. If he jetted throughout Europe and back and forth to Canada stayed in five Star Irish Hotels booked dinner for over 900 people in Dublin, bought a 30,000 sq foot building ( and a Gym) in Toronto and handed out envelopes of cash. In doing all this he apparently had no other visible income. One does not have to be psychic to conclude he made money from Banners Broker.


That's my whole point.

PEOPLE made money out of this.

Who made what and their actual degree of involvement we don't know.


and again so what? We know people were given money and criminally misrepresented themselves and broke other laws too. Exactly how much money from how many people or where it all ended up isnt necessary to prove. It is sufficient to show that money was fraudulently taken and that money was laundered or illegally transferred. The tax man can come up with their own figure as to how much. In fact it is one of the few areas of law where you have to prove innocence.


I could propose the theory that a gang of international terrorists paid Chris Smith handsomely to front a fraud to rise funds for training camps in the Ural Mountains and no one could prove me wrong.


And again so what? We are not talking about fanciful theories about who else might be involved and for how much. We are discussing what we already know to be true because we have evidence for it already. We can of course speculate on how much might be involved and the tax man might well do that in which case it WOULD be for Raj and co. to prove the tax man wrong.


Go and research the history of 'net based HYIP fraud over the past 20 years, then come back and tell me you think a handful of people in Canada put this thing together on their own and have the money in their hot little hands as we speak.

Well now who is indulging in fantasy. You are now contradicting yourself! You are suggesting a pet theory that based on your experience and knowledge this is something involving a much broader level of people and for a larger amount of money than we have thus far considered. But you already
stated that any such pet theory is unprovable! But AGAIN Ill say "So what!" Whether you can or cant prove a "more people are involved theory" we certainly know based on easily obtainable evidence that certain people are involved and have defrauded other people.

You may think that there are "back men" worth waiting to identify I don't. But whatever we think the law has to act on criminality.

[littleroundman]

You, my fine pedantic friend, are an argumentative asshole.

Carry on

[Beacon]

You, my fine pedantic friend, are an argumentative asshole.

Carry on

And you seem to resort to ad hominem when you can't deal with the actual issue.

I was going to offer the prior exchange as evidence that people can differ and argue but dont have to stoop to personal attacks and can carry on with mutual respect and maintain their dignity but it appears you have single-handedly thwarted that aspiration.
Pity about that.
Please try dealing with the issues in future instead of attacking the person addressing them.

[littleroundman]

If I was dealing with the issue as in: Beacons' arrogant, nit picking and pedantic behaviour is an issue, I would use my admin privileges to ban you or give you some time out.

There's no rational way of dealing with the Beacon tactic of passive aggressive double entendre wordplay, so I long ago decided not to bother.

As I said: carry on.

HINT: If your aim is to be effective, rather than having a need to be "right" try engaging in a discussion without using weasel words such as "it seems" or "appears" without including the words "to ME"

[scamassassin007]

We have posted a lot of Banners Broker current events recently.

Banners Broker is producing lies daily almost like a SCAM FACTORY.


The few recent announcements such as turning each other in with the new "Community Policy" , Backtracking on the "PASSIVE" and "INVESTING REMARKS" and all the other BS crap they are doing.

For those with a trigger happy GOOGLE search finger, how about holding BB to the fire instead of one-upping each other.

The nit picking only to boosts egos is getting OLD and the average reader, who we are supposedly trying to help, is only getting confused.

This nit picking and "one-upping" is only helping Chris more than it is helping the victims.




Did I Mention That:
Banners Broker Is A SCAM! http://www.netanimations.net/animated_arrow_left_11.gif http://www.netanimations.net/animated_arrow_left_11.gif http://www.netanimations.net/animated_arrow_left_11.gif

[scamassassin007]

Moving Right Along... :shocked:

FRESH NEWS ON THE LIQUIDATION...

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People like Ian Parker and the other shills can't deny anything now!

Also,
I am confirming a source for additional news that should be coming today.

STAY TUNED!

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[Poyol]

ScamAssassin007,

Realscam is not just for information, it's a debate website; arguments are a side effect of this type of discussion.

It's all okay!

Jason

[scamassassin007]

ScamAssassin007,

Realscam is not just for information, it's a debate website; arguments are a side effect of this type of discussion.

It's all okay!

Jason

Agreed, I am only asking to turn some of the energy and forensic talents to Banners Broker's Lies, deception, half-truths, and excuses.

[NikSam]

YOu have been wrong many times. You recently claimed that BBI was in Belize.



Where did i ever claim that BBI is in Belize? since day one i claimed only Canada while everybody was trying to find some banana islands on the map, and still do.

Maybe sometimes you miss understand things i said ?, do you understand what "quoting others" mean? as an example or as an irony , or i noticed something specific about you, you never even read what other say, or pick only parts out of it.

Please show me all parts i was wrong about in this thread ? better not do it here but pick someone (technical enough) to review all i ever said in this thread to get an independent opinion, because you have hard time understanding simplest things which i even told you in PMs, you still do not get them and i just do not know how to explain it more easy for you.

When you pick those things i was wrong about, please do not include things which I specifically said "i think", "i believe", "perhaps" (or can even include those i will explain each, just want to minimize your work) or anything which was meant as an irony , portraying it as Chris/Raj/etc words or a clear sarcasm.

I will admit which things i was wrong about,
unlike you , with you i am not even sure if you understand most simplistic things i tried to explain you or you brain just explodes to read my bad-english sentences and blocks your mind or you just would never ever admit when you were wrong.

PS: or do not want to bring the list, pick one thing i was wrong about and did not admit it or corrected it later.

[scamassassin007]

The 2014 Miss Scam Now On Video...

Priscilla Ponzi aka Mark Ghobril


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7gwdnxowvU&feature=youtu.be

[scamassassin007]

@ NikSam,

Let's just agree to join forces and go after Banners Broker and all the current scammers involved.

http://www.newsucanuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/photodune-2910670-handshake-xs-300x200.jpg


My focus in on putting the spotlight on Banners Broker

How about you except my challenge and find some discrepancies on BB's current propaganda.
I (WE) could really use the help...

:RpS_thumbsup:

[Poyol]

NikSam/ScamAssassin007,

Contrary to what LRM said about us not being hall-monitors it's getting tedious. Focus on the matter at hand and tone down the arguing a little.

This is a warning.

Thanks

Jason

[NikSam]

@ NikSam,

Let's just agree to join forces and go after Banners Broker and all the current scammers involved

http://www.newsucanuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/photodune-2910670-handshake-xs-300x200.jpg


My focus in on putting the spotlight on Banners Broker

How about you except my challenge and find some discrepancies on their current propaganda.
I could really use the help...

:RpS_thumbsup:

Sorry , i Cannot, you publicly accused me on multiple occasions, we tried to work it out in private, you just do not even read or fail to understand my explanations.

You accused me here please mind to bring facts, or a fact.

It is very possible i was wrong on something and never corrected it after, not out of ignorance or ego (as you call it), but just if it was absolutely not important part and i honestly do not remember it.
Bring it up, if i was wrong and did not admit it or corrected – i will apologize.

@Poyol, sorry for doing this, you would do the same.

[HARRISON]

The Isle of Man Court case:
Banners Broker International Limited has been liquidated!

Paul Appleton and Miles Benham have been appointed joint liquidators..:RpS_smile:

[ribshaw]

Can someone loan Ribshaw about 2-FIDDY till Friday? I expect to get you back wif muh next Payza payment that Alan, "I AM JEST AN AFFILIATE" Shills seems to think is money in the bank.

The link at the bottom may not be BB Spin factory approved, "PASSIVEGROWTH".

7114

7115


https://www.facebook.com/sillsleadership

[scamassassin007]

the isle of man court case:
Banners broker international limited has been liquidated!

Paul appleton and miles benham have been appointed joint liquidators..:rps_smile:


great news!

[Beacon]

If I was dealing with the issue as in: Beacons' arrogant, nit picking and pedantic behaviour is an issue, I would use my admin privileges to ban you or give you some time out.


And if you did that you would be abusing your authority as an Administrator. Clearly the subject was whether RS should go beyond just an opinion on whether something is or isn't a scam. I offered my analysis on that point. If you found my position arrogant then that is your problem.

If you ban me because of your subjective opinion that I am arrogant then you are sadly lacking the ability to deal with an issue subjectively.


There's no rational way of dealing with the Beacon tactic of passive aggressive double entendre wordplay, so I long ago decided not to bother.


That is self contradictory
1. You didnt ignore me you directly contradicted me. I made the point about RS should support prosecutions and that we know certain people who profited from BB and you directly contradicted this. So you can not now claim you gave up arguing with me when you both started the argument and continued it!

2. As regards your personal attacks in me and suggestions that I am "passive aggressive" or "arrogant" ( both of which even if true are ad hominem i.e. attacking the person rather I than the issue raised BY YOU) I have you know that I have no personal issues about you in this. i do however have my reputation and my dignity and it is personally hurtful that you continue to insist that I am either arrogant or passive aggressive. I don't claim to be perfect and do not think I am arrogant. I do have a neurological disorder and tend to be pedantic but that in no way makes me either "passive aggressive" or "arrogant".

I don't think resorting to offensive personal remarks or trying to downplay the relevance of my argument on the basis of the way it was phrased befit an administrator.

If I insulted you ( and ther is no evidence anywhere that I made any such personal attack on you or anyone else) I certainly did not intend to do so. I very very rarely make personal remarks and I submit whenever I do it is ALWAYS in response to personal attacks made on myself or others. But in this case I made no such personal remarks.

3. To suggest I am indulging in wordplay is to suggest that I am wrong and trying to cloud the issue. But I was quite clear about the issue. It is that we DO know about people who were involved in organising this scam and we SHOULD come down on the side of them being brought to justice. If you disagree with me on that I submit your position is your opinion but mine is supported with factual evidence and not arrogance.




HINT: If your aim is to be effective, rather than having a need to be "right" try engaging in a discussion without using weasel words such as "it seems" or "appears" without including the words "to ME"

I have some academic experience in this field. The reason for using words like "seems" or "appears" is because one is EXPLORING an issue rather than making a factual claim. we can see this in for example scientific writings in history where they discuss what "seems like" "springiness" of gasses. They later derive the term "air pressure" and later come up with accurate gas laws.
Suggesting that I use words like "seems" because I am trying to weasel my way out by later changing a claim is both specious reasoning and unfair attribution and and attack on my academic credibility.
In fact in the last few days I believe I explained that I rarely make claims and if I make claims I support them or withdraw them. NB If I cant show I am correct in a claim I withdraw it. If I don't make a claim I use words like "seems". In fact this assists in developing the discussion and it isn't used by me as a tactic. Although Im prepared to accept that because I dont make claims I am rarely wrong and people could view my reticence to make claims as a tactic to avoid being wrong when in fact it is a common discipline in writing and scholarship to be certain when you make an assertion and to be sure you provide support for any assertion.

My assertion that "we know" who are involved in BB was supported with evidence.
Your counter that we dont know was unsupported opinion.

[Poyol]

And if you did that you would be abusing your authority as an Administrator.


Incorrect. Mods/Admins have the final word - LRM can use his discretion as and when he wants.

Now let that be the end of it.

[Beacon]

Incorrect. Mods/Admins have the final word - LRM can use his discretion as and when he wants.

Now let that be the end of it.
Hmmm
Please read my PM to you on this and repost that PM if you decide to ban me.

[Poyol]

Hmmm
Please read my PM to you on this and repost that PM if you decide to ban me.

For the purpose of transparency nobody has threatened to ban anybody.
I simply stated that Moderators/Administrators have the final say - we do not ban/censor under normal circumstances.

This thread seems to be spiralling into anarchy and I am reigning it in; the ad hominem, passive aggression etc. is all fine and dandy in moderate amounts but everyone is at each other's throats, now is the time to stop.

Hope this clears things up.

[laidback]

For the purpose of transparency nobody has threatened to ban anybody.
I simply stated that Moderators/Administrators have the final say - we do not ban/censor under normal circumstances.

This thread seems to be spiralling into anarchy and I am reigning it in; the ad hominem, passive aggression etc. is all fine and dandy in moderate amounts but everyone is at each other's throats, now is the time to stop.

Hope this clears things up. Amen!!! This thread "seems" to have drifted way off-topic!

[Beacon]

For the purpose of transparency nobody has threatened to ban anybody.
what does "If I was dealing with the issue as in: Beacons' arrogant, nit picking and pedantic behaviour is an issue, I would use my admin privileges to ban you" mean then?
[quote]the ad hominem, passive aggression etc. is all fine and dandy in moderate amounts

If I attacked anyone please show me where and I am happy to say I am sorry for that. Likewise with respect to "passive aggressive" I am not out to get at anything but the truth and if people think I am personally attacking them I assure you all I am not. Im actualy delighted for ANYONE who cares to point out to me in PM or in public ANYWHERE where I made an unprovoked personal attack then and Ill also be happy to apologise for it but I can assure you I had no such intentions.

[Poyol]

[QUOTE=Poyol;67002]For the purpose of transparency nobody has threatened to ban anybody.
what does "If I was dealing with the issue as in: Beacons' arrogant, nit picking and pedantic behaviour is an issue, I would use my admin privileges to ban you" mean then?


If I attacked anyone please show me where and I am happy to say I am sorry for that. Likewise with respect to "passive aggressive" I am not out to get at anything but the truth and if people think I am personally attacking them I assure you all I am not. Im actualy delighted for ANYONE who cares to point out to me in PM or in public ANYWHERE where I made an unprovoked personal attack then and Ill also be happy to apologise for it but I can assure you I had no such intentions.

Beacon,

The post wasn't aimed at you; but everyone in general.

If the ad hominem doesn't apply to you ignore it.

Jason

[GlimDropper]

JackBoot Warning:

People of good conscience can and do disagree.In so far as those disagreements pertain to the topic of discussion they are welcome in the topic. If the disagreements are of a more personal nature we kindly request that you address them either in private, or in our more suitable if less salutatory Rants forum.

From a moderation perspective the goal is to keep valid discussion topics, like this one from being clouded with a bunch of backbiting personal arguments and other unproductive posts. I'm saying this in what I hope is the clearest and most gentle way possible, hug it out or move it out.

And if you want to yell at me or any of the crew, use the Rant forum for that as well.

Thank you.

[HARRISON]

Wake up people!
Banners broker has been liquidated and all you can do is scrap!

Why aren't you celebrating?

Isn't this what we've been fighting for, otherwise whats the point????

[Della Cate]

Wake up people!
Banners broker has been liquidated and all you can do is scrap!

Why aren't you celebrating?

Isn't this what we've been fighting for, otherwise whats the point????

I agree Harrison. However, can someone explain what it actually means, in practical terms?

And is BB Mobile affected, or do you think that it is BB's way of carrying on, but under another name (while actually the same company)?

I'm not arguing here, just trying to find out what it all means as I am no expert!

[Fairplay]

Hi , new to Realscam , but have put money into BB, long given up the ghost there though. What does this liquidation mean? Is it just in the Isle of Man ?. I have a funny feeling that this is not going to mean a whole lot in the overall scheme of things ,that BB will just keep going on as it is .Is this really just a damp squib ,a meaningless liquidation or will it hit BB worldwide with the whole thing having to close down?Thanks.

[AshKen1]

Migration document attached (I hope) - enjoy



I think what would be really useful is if someone would indicate what difference the liquidation of BBI will make (if any) to those who are pursuing - or wish to pursue - chargebacks from BB.

Let's keep it simple eh guys?

[NikSam]

Wake up people!
Banners broker has been liquidated and all you can do is scrap!

Why aren't you celebrating?

Isn't this what we've been fighting for, otherwise whats the point????

Tara, there are not enough news to be celebrating.
Liquidation would have happened with or without those lawyers, difference is who was appointed as a liquidator.
There are no news on any assets found in IoM or which next step lawyers will take, perhaps go to canadians.
at this point it can be just "lawyers got in possession of $150 shelf company which right away got liquidated and had no penny in it`s name, and even Chris did not care about that company"
Let see when there are more news and hope that "6 millions in IoM bank in BBI name" is not just a rumor.
But if there is $6m it is less than a penny on a dollar for all victims.
Those things never get solved that easy, lets wait for news.

But lets hope it's #1 major step in demise of this scam.

[scamassassin007]

I can confirm what Tara said.

I have just seen an email from the legal firm.

This is GOOD NEWS no matter how you look at it.

Finally, something is being done.

It's Official

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/q71/s720x720/1899886_214883098710348_947362886_n.jpg

The battle is not over yet, but this is a major victory for sure.



MESSAGE FOR CHRIS SMITH


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzJGckMYO4

[okosh]

For the purpose of transparency nobody has threatened to ban anybody.
I simply stated that Moderators/Administrators have the final say - we do not ban/censor under normal circumstances.

This thread seems to be spiralling into anarchy and I am reigning it in; the ad hominem, passive aggression etc. is all fine and dandy in moderate amounts but everyone is at each other's throats, now is the time to stop.

Hope this clears things up.

Posts between Beacon and LRM should be split into a separate topic in the rants folder....

Just my opinion....

[okosh]

So what? Either you are claiming
1. Someone else we don't know about was involved at a higher level or
2. whoever was involved we may never know


Exactly and I would claim the same thing......

Only a fool would believe that any of the names posted in this thread are actually the ones behind this scam......

[NikSam]

If the letter from the lawyers is not confidential, someone please post it.

[scamassassin007]

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/p296x100/923148_10152262465862673_1427741045_n.jpg

BB should be making a statement today...

I Can't wait to hear their spin!


http://www.viscoimages.com/photo/167507-Portrait-of-joyful-young-people-saying-cheers.jpg


Banners Broker Is A SCAM!


To Chris Smith "BYE BYE BYE !


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCKpLc374bc

[scamassassin007]

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/p720x720/1780714_214897428708915_520796939_n.jpg

[scamassassin007]

I see BB is still at it...

Freshly Frozen Account:

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1924619_214897865375538_994260717_n.jpg


Maybe they can FREEZE everyone out in time.

[littleroundman]

I see BB is still at it...

Maybe they can FREEZE everyone out in time.

There's no "maybe" about it.

Many users will find they are now outside their credit card companies' reversal window, which means no refund for them and no charges against BB or the third party payment processor.

[scamassassin007]

The Tide Is Turning With BB Testimonials !

We Are Winning The War!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRdTUMxevKc

*Freshly Posted By Christopher Woodward


Well Chris Smith?

[scamassassin007]

More Fresh Banned Accounts Coming In!
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1/1901680_214908332041158_1750249422_n.jpg

[scamassassin007]

Interesting Concept: The Ponzi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l--6a3L5fXk

[HARRISON]

From The Irish Examiner today:
By Conor Ryan, Investigative Correspondent, Isle of Man
Liquidators were appointed to Banners Broker yesterday following a hearing in the Isle of Man. The scheme had attracted investment from more than 12,000 Irish people and thousands more internationally. The court agreed with an uncontested application that Banners Broker International Ltd (BBIL) should be shut down. It came five months after BBIL withdrew support for its Irish office, redirected service calls to Belize and put heavy restrictions on the withdrawals people could make from their accounts.

The court in Douglas heard the company had $6m (€4.4m) in assets but it had nobody from its Canadian operators present.

“The company is currently in limbo. It has no registered office, nobody providing secretarial services, no representative who will appear and significant assets of $6m,” said Judge David Doyle.

The judge said under the Isle of Man’s Companies Act 1931 it was just and equitable for the company to be wound up.

He appointed joint liquidators. One, from local firm Mann Benham, was put forward by Targus Investments. Targus had previously provided BBIL’s Canadian principal, Chris Smith, with nominee services for BBIL in the Isle of Man.

The second appointee was London-based Paul Appleton, of David Rubin and Partners LLP.

Mr Appleton presented the court with claims from people whose money is still locked in BBIL’s complicated internet advertising packages.

A standard letter circulated among some investors asked the Isle of Man court to appoint Mr Appleton as joint liquidator. In it individual claimants set out how much they had put in and what they were owed.

“There are genuine concerns as to the manner in which the business has been operated by others.

“A full and thorough investigation into BBIL’s affairs is, therefore, required to determine the position and explore how best to secure and recover funds for the benefit of its creditors,” the letter said.

The effect on creditors and investors will become clearer over the coming days.

Under Isle of Man law, a committee of inspection will oversee the work of the liquidators. It is expected to take up to a month to establish the extent of BBIL’s remaining assets and debts.

[NikSam]

and a link to article: Fears for investors as suspected pyramid scheme wound up | Irish Examiner (http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/fears-for-investors-as-suspected-pyramid-scheme-wound-up-260228.html)

[Beacon]

[B]JackBoot Warning:

If the disagreements are of a more personal nature we kindly request that you address them either in private, or in our more suitable if less salutatory Rants forum.


And the rant forum is?...directions please


From a moderation perspective the goal is to keep valid discussion topics, like this one from being clouded with a bunch of backbiting personal arguments and other unproductive posts. I'm saying this in what I hope is the clearest and most gentle way possible, hug it out or move it out.


While I entirely reject I made any backbiting or personal comments I certainly am concerned about RS censoring discussion on a relevant topic namely whether we should advocate particular actions and oppose other actions and in doing so RS becomes more than just an information site for people to decide on whether or not something is a scam. Im also concerned about moderators or admins who indulge in supporting each other and valuing loyalty above honesty and I will raise that topic in the rant forum.

I found the forum and this is now being discussed here: http://www.realscam.com/f22/philosophy-rs-whether-mods-admins-should-follow-some-rules-themselves-2997/#post67091

Im happy to start a separate discussion on this ( nature if RS) elsewhere but I want it understood that I am doing this to assist the development or RS and if anyone questions my motives in doing so let them discuss it there. http://www.realscam.com/f22/philosophy-rs-whether-mods-admins-should-follow-some-rules-themselves-2997/#post67091


And if you want to yell at me or any of the crew, use the Rant forum for that as well.

Thank you.

Thank you for your constructive suggestion
discussion moved here
http://www.realscam.com/f22/philosophy-rs-whether-mods-admins-should-follow-some-rules-themselves-2997/#post67091

[Beacon]

[QUOTE=Beacon;67013]

Beacon,

The post wasn't aimed at you; but everyone in general.

If the ad hominem doesn't apply to you ignore it.

Jason

I wholehartedly agree but think you are factually incorrect

Discussion on that moved here
http://www.realscam.com/f22/philosophy-rs-whether-mods-admins-should-follow-some-rules-themselves-2997/#post67091

[Fairplay]

Can someone post that irishexaminer report to the offical bannersbrokers facebook page.I cant as im blocked out .The BB webinar has been moved forward to today as Chris has another meetimg tomm !![police?? ] !! No matter what he says now its ALL OVER . No one will believe a word from his mouth anymore.No one will do a single thing if Version 3 still goes ahead, what a idiot he will be if that happens. Imagine anyone doing a video saying how great BB is,lmao, . Cant wait to hear what the idiot Chris has to say today ,NO EXCUSE will do this time im afraid. Personally i have a group of mates that will be extremely disappointed if the world tour is cancelled as they had pooled money together to go anywhere in the world so as they could pay Chris a visit ,hopefully it will happen yet , real nice guys these are Chris.

[scamassassin007]

and a link to article: Fears for investors as suspected pyramid scheme wound up | Irish Examiner (http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/fears-for-investors-as-suspected-pyramid-scheme-wound-up-260228.html)

*Good Find- Credit To NikSam

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t31/q71/s720x720/1960829_215020278696630_1029576714_o.jpg (http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/fears-for-investors-as-suspected-pyramid-scheme-wound-up-260228.html)


Fears for investors as suspected pyramid scheme wound up | Irish Examiner (http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/fears-for-investors-as-suspected-pyramid-scheme-wound-up-260228.html)

[Poyol]

Can someone post that irishexaminer report to the offical bannersbrokers facebook page.I cant as im blocked out .The BB webinar has been moved forward to today as Chris has another meetimg tomm !![police?? ] !! No matter what he says now its ALL OVER . No one will believe a word from his mouth anymore.No one will do a single thing if Version 3 still goes ahead, what a idiot he will be if that happens. Imagine anyone doing a video saying how great BB is,lmao, . Cant wait to hear what the idiot Chris has to say today ,NO EXCUSE will do this time im afraid. Personally i have a group of mates that will be extremely disappointed if the world tour is cancelled as they had pooled money together to go anywhere in the world so as they could pay Chris a visit ,hopefully it will happen yet , real nice guys these are Chris.

Chris Smith seems to have extra security around him since we started outing Banners Broker:
http://www.mark-stokes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/484938_381495915282168_2140623118_n.jpg

Just a heads up.

[scamassassin007]

More Banners Broker Affiliates are reporting that their accounts are booted / Frozen

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1/1966714_215022328696425_1422790005_n.jpg

[scamassassin007]

Chris Smith seems to have extra security around him since we started outing Banners Broker:
http://www.mark-stokes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/484938_381495915282168_2140623118_n.jpg

Just a heads up.

Does anyone know for sure where he is at currently?

I am curious as to which island nation he might run off to. lol

[scamassassin007]

***** BB SCAMINAR PUSHED UP TO TODAY *****

*Source: BB FB Page: https://www.facebook.com/bannersbroker

The Friday Q and A webinar this week is being brought forward to today (Thursday) because Chris has another meeting at the Friday time.

Please pass the word to your affiliates that there will be a webinar today (Thursday) at 11am EST.

To register please follow the usual link - go to meeting will be updated shortly

http://bit.ly/BBFridayQandA


_____________________

The Spin Will Be Interesting!

[Fairplay]

Chris Smith seems to have extra security around him since we started outing Banners Broker:
http://www.mark-stokes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/484938_381495915282168_2140623118_n.jpg

Just a heads up.

Duly noted Poyol, im sure he thinks he has excellent security.Thank you.

[NikSam]

Chris Smith seems to have extra security around him since we started outing Banners Broker:
http://www.mark-stokes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/484938_381495915282168_2140623118_n.jpg

Just a heads up.

Jason it is old picture, at least 1 year old

PS: actually excatly 1 year old + 1 day :)

[Poyol]

I reiterate what others have said, I don't see that the liquidation of the company is going to make any real-world difference.

[scamassassin007]

I reiterate what others have said, I don't see that the liquidation of the company is going to make any real-world difference.

The least it will do is put BB in the spotlight. This firm would not go after BB for Pennies.
Hopefully this is just the beginning. The Firm has a lot of experience.
They may even go after them in other countries.

***

Also,

Tara mention on FB that they already found $6 Million.

I am trying to source this as we speak.

Anyone find anything on this?

[Ken Roklin]

I reiterate what others have said, I don't see that the liquidation of the company is going to make any real-world difference.

The only difference is that the $6 mil he has in IoM is lost to him. I'm surprised he left that much in the bank in IoM and didn't transfer it to Belize or some other offshore country. Now we know why he made BB Mobile a separate corporation and not an IoM corporation neither. By liquidating BBI he has just rid himself of millions of debt, which he had been planning to do for quite some time now.

The issue now is will people still follow Chris with BBMobile? If they do they are dumber than a rock.

[scamassassin007]

The only difference is that the $6 mil he has in IoM is lost to him. I'm surprised he left that much in the bank in IoM and didn't transfer it to Belize or some other offshore country. Now we know why he made BB Mobile a separate corporation and not an IoM corporation neither. By liquidating BBI he has just rid himself of millions of debt, which he had been planning to do for quite some time now.

The issue now is will people still follow Chris with BBMobile? If they do they are dumber than a rock.

I agree Ken.. Good Point...

It will be interesting to see Chris Smith's next move.

***

I know the Irish Examiner mention $6 Million.. I still can not find court records or anything official on a government website that confirms this.

Please post if anyone find something.

***

STOP THE PRESSES:

I think we could all agree that the Scammers will now cry victim!


https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/q71/s720x720/1901487_588582104551435_1018586113_n.jpg

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1/q71/s720x720/1898072_255426841306842_1539180736_n.jpg

* Credit Tara and Steve Trueton For the FB Finds



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGD1q7yh2YI&feature=youtu.be

[ribshaw]

Does anyone know for sure where he is at currently?

I am curious as to which island nation he might run off to. lol

I am giving some serious thought that BB Mobile never comes back on line. It really seems that "Chris Smith" has left himself very few options at this point other than doing a runner.

[scamassassin007]

Bizzare BB Webinar!
Chris Smith Openly Pushes Ian Driscoll Under The Bus On The Webinar:

Ian Driscol's Earnings:
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/q71/s720x720/1926861_215068175358507_1653260026_n.jpg

Chris claims that Ian Driscoll was in a breach of contract for cross promoting Flexcom at BB events.

Chris Posted This Picture Of Ian Driscoll:
http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3115569.ece/ALTERNATES/s2197/Ian-Driscoll-of-FlexKom-3115569.jpg

Chris then went over what Ian was paid.
Chris stating that this sia all Ian's fault and that BB had been planning on "Winding Down".

Chris labeled this a just a "PESKY SITUATION"

He says don't get misconscrewed by the Irish Examiner Report.

"We were the one's who wanted to close it but it will take longer because of the Ian Dricoll" matter".

Chris claims: "THE ONLY PEOPLE THIS WILL HURT ARE THE AFFILIATES"

Also:

"NOBODY ON THE CREDITORS LIST WILL BE PAID"!

He Warned that all disputes must be settled with BB support and advises everyone to "BE SMART" about the action they take.

It is the "MEDIA'S JOB" to write a Juicy Story!

He compares BB to "Movie Stars"

He quickly changes the topic to the "WINNING COUNTRY LOCATION" for the world tour.. "TRINIDAD"

___________________________________________

:pt:

*This Webinar was very hard to listen to without getting sick.

*I might point out... Since everyone always wants proof against BB.. Chris posted a spreadsheet that anyone could alter or make up.

[scamassassin007]

Ian Driscoll Speaks Out!

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/q71/s720x720/1898005_215080722023919_1567903719_n.jpg


Ian Driscoll:

"Smith has just made a very big mistake by yet again making things up for his own ends and " Passing the buck " Only I know the whole story and since he has tried to blame me for all this I will be telling people the truth about Smith. He told everyone here that this $6.6 million was "Rainy Day " money $6.6 million so why has he NOT paid this money he owes to the affiliates for well over a year now and is hoping to get rid of all this debt in BB V3 ????? I will disclose more very damning information soon in good time "

[Fairplay]

Im sure everyone will be more determined than ever now to pursue BB through the creditors route rather than through BB support now that Chris has told people they will not get paid if they are on the creditors list. Big mistake again Chris trying to tell people what you want them to do.Webinar a complete fairy story , he sounded really scared ,$6 for a rainy day?? Close everything down now Chris and stop making a complete fool of yourself. Cant wait for Ian Driscoll to spill the dirt on Chris. BBv3? ,please , dont make me laugh, non starter, full stop. Lets keep posting the irish examiner article all over the net.
Trinidad for the world tour then Chris, thanks for the heads up, mates have being pooling their money to go see you, The stage can be a very lonely place ,see you there.

[Whip]

there is no 'world tour'. Trinidad will be known as the answer 'Neverhad' when months from now people ask what ever happened to the 'world tour'

[NikSam]

... Lets keep posting the irish examiner article all over the net...

If you want, you can hire an agent very cheap from fiverr.com to push news to multiple sites, including TOP.
After all, some HYIP admins do that, so their "company" mentioned in Yahoo News / Marketwatch / etc.. and admin will say "look we are in major news sites - we are for real"
Why not to use scammers own methods ?

URL: Fiverr / Search results for 'submit your press release' (http://www.fiverr.com/gigs/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&search_in=everywhere&query=submit+your+press+release&x=0&y=0&jls_se99912_1_auto=1&jls_se99912_2_auto=1)

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[hendyphilhendy]

Bizzare BB Webinar!
Chris Smith Openly Pushes Ian Driscoll Under The Bus On The Webinar:

Ian Driscol's Earnings:
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/q71/s720x720/1926861_215068175358507_1653260026_n.jpg

Chris claims that Ian Driscoll was in a breach of contract for cross promoting Flexcom at BB events.

Chris Posted This Picture Of Ian Driscoll:
http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3115569.ece/ALTERNATES/s2197/Ian-Driscoll-of-FlexKom-3115569.jpg

Chris then went over what Ian was paid.
Chris stating that this sia all Ian's fault and that BB had been planning on "Winding Down".

Chris labeled this a just a "PESKY SITUATION"

He says don't get misconscrewed by the Irish Examiner Report.

"We were the one's who wanted to close it but it will take longer because of the Ian Dricoll" matter".

Chris claims: "THE ONLY PEOPLE THIS WILL HURT ARE THE AFFILIATES"

Also:

"NOBODY ON THE CREDITORS LIST WILL BE PAID"!

He Warned that all disputes must be settled with BB support and advises everyone to "BE SMART" about the action they take.

It is the "MEDIA'S JOB" to write a Juicy Story!

He compares BB to "Movie Stars"

He quickly changes the topic to the "WINNING COUNTRY LOCATION" for the world tour.. "TRINIDAD"

___________________________________________

:pt:

*This Webinar was very hard to listen to without getting sick.

*I might point out... Since everyone always wants proof against BB.. Chris posted a spreadsheet that anyone could alter or make up.

Anyone else notice that he is running a non commercial version of Excel! An IT genius running a 'business' without appropriately licences software! Microsoft should pay them a visit :duh:

[scamassassin007]

More From Ian Driscoll:

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/1797424_215108592021132_49807736_n.jpg



Ian Driscoll:

"Guys I have been in a legal situation with BB for 13 months fighting not just for the injustice of BBI breaking their terms and conditions both on the IC and my personal account along with many more affiliates and as such I have been unable to comment. Because my case was so strong that would clear the way for other affiliates to claim monies they are owed. Smith did a wangle to stop this and then tries to pin his crap on other people. He has broken the laws of the IOM. He just wanted to walk off with this money that is ours. Give me some time as I am not at home and I will let you know many things that Smith has been doing to us. This is just the beginning now Thank You"

[scamassassin007]

Belize Banners Broker International certificate:

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/q71/s720x720/1800317_763182963694202_1265167603_n.jpg

*Credit To Dan Dare

*** Also: ***




Dear Sir/Madam

Thank you for your recent enquiry in respect of Banners Broker International Limited (“the Company”).

At a hearing in the High Court of Justice of the Isle of Man on 26 February 2014, it was ordered that the Company be wound up, pursuant to the provisions of section 162(6) of the Companies Act 1931.

Paul Robert Appleton of this office was duly appointed Joint Provisional Liquidator and Deemed Joint Official Receiver of the Company, together with Miles Andrew Benham of MannBenham Advocates, 49 Victoria Street, Douglas, Isle of Man IM1 2LD.

Your details have been noted and the Joint Provisional Liquidators will be in contact with further information shortly.

Yours faithfully

Paul Appleton – Joint Provisional Liquidator

______________________

What is section 162(6) of the Companies Act 1931?

162 Circumstances in which company may be wound up by court
A company may be wound up by the court if —

(1) the company has by special resolution resolved that the company be wound up by the court;

(2) being a public company which was registered as such on its original incorporation, has not complied with the conditions for the commencement of business required by subsection

(1)(a) and (b) of section 95 of this Act or, as the case may be, subsection (2)(b) of that section;

(3) the company does not commence its business within a year from its
incorporation, or suspends its business for a whole year;

(4) except in the case of a private company limited by shares or by
guarantee, the number of members is reduced below two;

(5) the company is unable to pay its debts;

(6) the court is of opinion that it is just and equitable that the company should be wound up.

http://www.gov.im/lib/docs/ded/companies/acts/companiesact1931_1.pdf





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[laidback]

Watching this thing come apart is like watching a train-wreck in slow motion

[scamassassin007]

And The Sheep Still Believe!
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/1901699_255478967968296_2092290943_n.jpg

*Credit to Tara

Like A Cult... They Still Follow.....

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1/q71/s720x720/1662612_215110978687560_1297481844_n.jpg

[scamassassin007]

Today's Scaminar 2/27/2014

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1dmx04_banners-broker-webinar-2-27-liquidation-excuses_news

*Use 480 video size for best quality

@ Chris Smith:
We have other copies....

[Poyol]

I've just invited Mr Driscoll to post at Realscam.

Who's buying the champagne?
Though some of us have had our differences - we've worked well to bring this beast down.

Thanks, team.

[scamassassin007]

I've just invited Mr Driscoll to post at Realscam.

Who's buying the champagne?
Though some of us have had our differences - we've worked well to bring this beast down.

Thanks, team.

I reached out to him as well. He responded to my posts. I offered him an olive branch IF he can help BB affiliates get their money back and come clean on everything.
I am sure he has a wealth of information to share and report.

[laidback]

I've just invited Mr Driscoll to post at Realscam.

Who's buying the champagne?
Though some of us have had our differences - we've worked well to bring this beast down.

Thanks, team. I've got a couple cases, can I email them to ya?

[Char]

I reached out to him as well. He responded to my posts. I offered him an olive branch IF he can help BB affiliates get their money back and come clean on everything.
I am sure he has a wealth of information to share and report.

I don't understand offering an olive branch to someone who is actively promoting other scams like flexkom. Personally, I find habitual networkers just as guilty as the owners for inviting others into numerous schemes. Please correct me if I've missed something.

[NikSam]

CERTIFICATE NO: 112360

I believe that Belmopan, Belize Certificate of Incorporation for BBI might be fake or Certificate number is faked.

I inspected at least 10 of such certificates, all numbers are 5 digits and in incremental order, in Jul 2013 (when BBI certificate was issued) they still were 5 digits, and started with 20...

take a look: http://belizers.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/BelizersLoansServiceswaterm.jpg

and in Dec 2012 numbers started with 13... range (so zero at the end on BBI not artifact, entire number might be fake): http://www.sanctuarybelizehoa.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/SBHOA-Corporation-Certificate-1.jpg

[scamassassin007]

I don't understand offering an olive branch to someone who is actively promoting other scams like flexkom. Personally, I find habitual networkers just as guilty as the owners for inviting others into numerous schemes. Please correct me if I've missed something.


I said IF HE COMES CLEAN and helps people get their money back.
Even prosecutors make deals.
He hold a wealth of knowledge and frankly... I would bet Chris Smith is more worried than he is letting on.

I never would claim Ian Driscoll is innocent.

[scamassassin007]

CERTIFICATE NO: 112360

I believe that Belmopan, Belize Certificate of Incorporation for BBI might be fake or Certificate number is faked.

I inspected at least 10 of such certificates, all numbers are 5 digits and in incremental order, in Jul 2013 (when BBI certificate was issued) they still were 5 digits, and started with 20...

take a look: http://belizers.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/BelizersLoansServiceswaterm.jpg

Everyone needs to look at Chapter 250, not 247 as shown on NikSam's Screen Shot.

I almost did the same thing...

[Fairplay]

Hope your right Poylol hope the beast is down, just listened to the scaminar and Chris gives the impression that all is well that Isle of Man situ is meaningless.Unless Ian O Driscoll has info that will rock BB to its foundations this beast will lumber on and on. Note to Chris , we will see you in Trinidad , we eat people like you for breakfast here in the North ,looking forward to showing you our appreciation and wotnot, we will be there.


Who's buying the champagne?
Though some of us have had our differences - we've worked well to bring this beast down.

Thanks, team.[/QUOTE]

[Fairplay]

Hope your right Poylol hope the beast is down, just listened to the scaminar and Chris gives the impression that all is well that Isle of Man situ is meaningless.Unless Ian O Driscoll has info that will rock BB to its foundations this beast will lumber on and on. Note to Chris , we will see you in Trinidad , we eat people like you for breakfast here in the North ,looking forward to showing you our appreciation and wotnot, we will be there, really looking forward to seeing you on the stage.


Who's buying the champagne?
Though some of us have had our differences - we've worked well to bring this beast down.

Thanks, team.[/QUOTE]

[NikSam]

Everyone needs to look at Chapter 250, not 247 as shown on NikSam's Screen Shot.

I almost did the same thing...

247 - Registration
250 - Incorporation

See my original post, i added there another "Incorporation"

This one (http://www.sanctuarybelizehoa.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/SBHOA-Corporation-Certificate-1.jpg)

All of them of same kind, all 5 digits and incremental in the same serie

[scamassassin007]

Just want to make sure everyone has the right one..
Private company- Chapter 250
Sole Proprietor- Chapter 247, Business Names Act

[Della Cate]

I've just listened to a chunk of today's webinar. Not all of it, because I got fed up with the long winded, ramblingness of it all (and the wotnots), however, I got a fair impression.

The key message in what I heard was...

- Ultimately, it's all the fault of Ian Driscoll for being greedy. Sure, we were happy to have him work for us (and allegedly pay him), but that was before we all fell out;
- The money in IoM was "rainy day money";
_ And that money was held in trust;
- We didn't need it to do payouts and that's not why payouts were delayed;
- We're innocent, honest guv, only trying to do our best, we moved to Belize on advice.

So - who were/are the trustees to this money held in trust, and under what conditions was it held, and for what purpose? Six million dollars is an awful lot of money to just leave behind as "rainy day" funding, isn't it? I have just a teensy-weensy suspicion that someone here is being economical with the truth again.....

[Della Cate]

You know, when I read some of the adoring comments on the BB FB page, I despair. Can people not see what is before their eyes? Ken Roklin uses a good phrase about them, "dumber than a rock." I like that. Others call them sheep.

Well, I kinda think that is an insult to the sheep.

Sheep can be difficult animals, they are not too bright and they like to move in flocks, but they have advantages. They quickly get to recognise people. They are adept at breaking out of pens. They can learn - I heard a story about sheep somewhere working out how to cross cattle grinds to escape their field into someone's garden (tasty plants!) by rolling across the grid - and of course they give us wool, meat and milk (sheep milk cheeses such as Feta and Roquefort)

So compared with the BB true believers, who are still saying "BB rocks!" and other inane comments, I prefer sheep.

[NikSam]

...and of course they give us wool, meat and milk (sheep milk cheeses such as Feta and Roquefort)
...

Nope, not "us", they give all of that to Chris :)

[baylee]

I said IF HE COMES CLEAN and helps people get their money back.
Even prosecutors make deals.
He hold a wealth of knowledge and frankly... I would bet Chris Smith is more worried than he is letting on.

I never would claim Ian Driscoll is innocent.

Driscoll is not innocent in the least. A serial scammer like Driscoll doesn't deserve a break.

[scamassassin007]

You know, when I read some of the adoring comments on the BB FB page, I despair. Can people not see what is before their eyes? Ken Roklin uses a good phrase about them, "dumber than a rock." I like that. Others call them sheep.

Well, I kinda think that is an insult to the sheep.

Sheep can be difficult animals, they are not too bright and they like to move in flocks, but they have advantages. They quickly get to recognise people. They are adept at breaking out of pens. They can learn - I heard a story about sheep somewhere working out how to cross cattle grinds to escape their field into someone's garden (tasty plants!) by rolling across the grid - and of course they give us wool, meat and milk (sheep milk cheeses such as Feta and Roquefort)

So compared with the BB true believers, who are still saying "BB rocks!" and other inane comments, I prefer sheep.


I Agree Della. If Chris Burned there houses down I think they would still chant BB Rocks!

Sooo Pathetic!

[scamassassin007]

This Person Claims Their Whole BB Downline Was Just Shut Down:
https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/1904182_215146185350706_126060621_n.jpg


Mark Davella:

"Banners Broker has shut my accounts and those in my downline that did nothing, absolutely nothing. I have my screenshots and upon them rebooting the system my attorneys will in fact be dragging Mark Ghobril to court to explain his voice mail message and actions "

[littleroundman]

To use the quote often attributed to Theodore Roosevelt:


"If you've got them by the *****, their hearts and minds will follow"

[Ken Roklin]

CERTIFICATE NO: 112360

I believe that Belmopan, Belize Certificate of Incorporation for BBI might be fake or Certificate number is faked.

I inspected at least 10 of such certificates, all numbers are 5 digits and in incremental order, in Jul 2013 (when BBI certificate was issued) they still were 5 digits, and started with 20...

take a look: http://belizers.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/BelizersLoansServiceswaterm.jpg

and in Dec 2012 numbers started with 13... range (so zero at the end on BBI not artifact, entire number might be fake): http://www.sanctuarybelizehoa.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/SBHOA-Corporation-Certificate-1.jpg

The certificate in the link above is a "Certificate of Registration". The BBI one is a "Certificate of Incorporation". Perhaps they are using a different numbering system for the various registrations of companies.

[Ken Roklin]

247 - Registration
250 - Incorporation

See my original post, i added there another "Incorporation"

This one (http://www.sanctuarybelizehoa.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/SBHOA-Corporation-Certificate-1.jpg)

All of them of same kind, all 5 digits and incremental in the same serie

OK, I see the Incorporation one also has 5 digits.

[scamassassin007]

Even More Banners Broker Accounts Reportedly Being Frozen on FB...

http://content.screencast.com/users/jamesclark/folders/Jing/media/3cad254f-565d-4317-a04b-3f5771574087/2014-02-27_2326.png

The Ponzi Nazis Mean Business!

[okosh]

The Ponzi Nazis Mean Business!

Talkgold mod Joseph is also mod of BB??......

[NikSam]

New Irish Examiner Article


URL: Banners Broker head bids to reassure investors | Irish Examiner (http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/banners-broker-head-bids-to-reassure-investors-260374.html)

[searcher]

Regardless of what the outcome of the liquidation process is, it still highlights the fact that BB is not running a legit "business" (using Chris's words). Which in turn I am sure will stop and make folks think more deeply about going forward in V3 - if that ever happens.

Watching the TBB forum - its unbelievable what the "sheep" are saying. They haven't been paid for a year and they still sing his praises - so if these people lose more money to Scammer Chris Smith, then its their own fault entirely.

I think also, that regardless of what other programs Ian Driscoll is involved in, if one can be bought to its knees then that is a good thing, and the sooner the better.

[Jerrygo]

Ah such good news on my log in today. BBI have been dealt a serious blow, Smiffy is spluttering over the loss of his $6mill rainy day fund.
And the pompous nit picking posts have been stopped.
My mama told me, there would be days like this.

[Newto]

Then next question at hand is how and when and where to best push for criminal proceedings. This Guy has got to be locked up...

[AshKen1]

Am sitting here idly wondering if further information will be forthcoming about our favourite pimping suspects (Stepsys, Parker etc etc etc).

I do hope that they are all sitting there panicking about what's going to happen next.

I also hope that those who think they are going to be paid "what they are owed" will realise that it is likely to be the initial stake that may be returned, not the imaginary profits that they think they have been denied for the past 15 months or so.

[Beacon]

at this point it can be just "lawyers got in possession of $150 shelf company which right away got liquidated and had no penny in it`s name, and even Chris did not care about that company"


I havent read any posts after this yet but assume the above is true.
How much unpaid shares do the sharholders own? They are personally liable for that.
There is ample evidence of Chris/Raj and others in various places claimed to be representing BBI. Now if they took money on behalf of BBI and but it in their own pockets they are personally liable to repay that money to the company. even if the company has no assets today one can claim that money was paid over to Chris/Raj and others which they themselves represented as money for BB. therefore one could argue they personally owe an amount of money to BB. Should a judgement be registered against them they will become exiled from the UK. Or they could come to the UK and be arrested until they pay up that sum of money to the liquidators. So at the very least it would stop Chris Raj etc. from personally operating any frauds in future in the UK.
Also, it adds to the international cases which may be developing in the future. If for example an Indian Canadian or US court is told "these people have judgements against them for this very same ponzi in five different countries" the court is going to consider that as very strong evidence.

[Della Cate]

The transcript of yesterday's webinar isn't available yet, is it?

Funny, that.

Also, will they hold their normal Friday webinar today? It will be amusing - if ironic - to hear them blethering on about BB V3 and BB Mobile and the blackout and the World Tour and the Tesla draw after recent events in the Isle of Man!

The trouble is, even if BB does go away, the people behind it and the people who have indulged in it and used it to feather their own nest (I'm not talking about the bog standard affiliate here, I'm talking about the big pushers and promoters) will reappear in some other guise to push some other venture. A lot of them already have moved on, to other things. They really are vermin, sewer rats, preying on the needy and vulnerable. They, as much as the Chris Smiths of this world, need to be stopped.

[scamassassin007]

New Irish Examiner Article


URL: Banners Broker head bids to reassure investors | Irish Examiner (http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/banners-broker-head-bids-to-reassure-investors-260374.html)

I was talking to co-nay sayers in the BB Ponzi Scam FB forum....

This was not brought up much yesterday...

Did anyone catch the soft handed THREAT that chris gave regarding taking action against BB?

The Irish Examiner did mention this.

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/t31/q71/s720x720/1781649_215265582005433_686306904_o.jpg


Irish Examiner: " He said Banners Broker insisted on an internal dispute resolution system for affiliates and he warned investors it would not entertain court challenges ".

It might be worth listening to that again.

The Strong Arm Of The PONZI NAZIS Strike Again...

As posted earlier this week, MArk Ghobril made threat and has been recorded on a voicemail This gentleman's whole downline had been frozen.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/1662089_215184315346893_1779511549_n.jpg

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[Della Cate]

Ah. Over on the BB Iceland FB page, we have this version of yesterday's webinar (sorry its a cut 'n' paste job)_

BB Webinar
27.2.14

Chris Smith
We are doing the call today because I am unavailable tomorrow. Ron Anderson will host a call tomorrow to go over some finer points.

Today I want to talk about something that has come to light and I want to make sure that people have the correct information.

BB started in 2010. At the time we needed to make several registrations, one of which, was in the IOM. We had several different registrations in different countries. Over the years, we have withdrawn several of the registrations, based on what we need to do globally. The UK was the largest affiliate base for BB and that's why we registered in the Isle Of Mann. We had challenges and the registration remained dormant for the past two years. We never opened an office there, and there wasn't any equipment. The only thing we had was the bank account. There was money held in trust for the sole purpose of operations. Last year, we decided, on our own accord, to wind it down and move the trust over to our Belize operation and we intended to use the funds that we would have transferred from IOM.

This doesn't need to be public or private information but we are talking about it now to shed some light on what has happened. It's a long process to wind a country down, and you need to have a liquidation take place. I repeat, the winding down of the I.O.M was our choice; it was not forced upon us.

Version 3 is still going ahead, the World Tour is still going ahead and the plans for the future are as before.

Sorry guys, I had a power cut at this point, had to wait for the power to come back on and had to reboot everything. The power came back up in time for me to hear that....

The World Tour is going to be in Trinidad & Tobago; probably the first week in May.

Notes taken by Helen Wright. Not official BB notes. Please check your back office for the recording. Remember, there will be a Friday Q & A tomorrow as usual with Ron.

So, nothing to worry about then!

The sad thing is, some people will believe all this.

[scamassassin007]

Ah. Over on the BB Iceland FB page, we have this version of yesterday's webinar (sorry its a cut 'n' paste job)_

BB Webinar
27.2.14

Chris Smith
We are doing the call today because I am unavailable tomorrow. Ron Anderson will host a call tomorrow to go over some finer points.

Today I want to talk about something that has come to light and I want to make sure that people have the correct information.

BB started in 2010. At the time we needed to make several registrations, one of which, was in the IOM. We had several different registrations in different countries. Over the years, we have withdrawn several of the registrations, based on what we need to do globally. The UK was the largest affiliate base for BB and that's why we registered in the Isle Of Mann. We had challenges and the registration remained dormant for the past two years. We never opened an office there, and there wasn't any equipment. The only thing we had was the bank account. There was money held in trust for the sole purpose of operations. Last year, we decided, on our own accord, to wind it down and move the trust over to our Belize operation and we intended to use the funds that we would have transferred from IOM.

This doesn't need to be public or private information but we are talking about it now to shed some light on what has happened. It's a long process to wind a country down, and you need to have a liquidation take place. I repeat, the winding down of the I.O.M was our choice; it was not forced upon us.

Version 3 is still going ahead, the World Tour is still going ahead and the plans for the future are as before.

Sorry guys, I had a power cut at this point, had to wait for the power to come back on and had to reboot everything. The power came back up in time for me to hear that....

The World Tour is going to be in Trinidad & Tobago; probably the first week in May.

Notes taken by Helen Wright. Not official BB notes. Please check your back office for the recording. Remember, there will be a Friday Q & A tomorrow as usual with Ron.

So, nothing to worry about then!

The sad thing is, some people will believe all this.

Nice Post Della, but they really cleaned that up. .. lol The Ponzi Nazi Propaganda Machine At Work!

Rejoice everyone... It is a PONZI UTOPIA!

@CHRIS SMITH... WE HAVE COPIES OF EVERYTHING!

[scamassassin007]

Another Ponzi Nazi Sympathizer

"Ann Hardman... The Female Version Of Mark Ghobril At Work..... "

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/1779726_215283235337001_147346970_n.jpg

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/q71/s720x720/72123_633413833374561_471521846_n.jpg

*Credit to Shaz

[scamassassin007]

UPDATE

Ann Hardman's FB Page Now Changed To A "CLOSED GROUP"

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1/q71/s720x720/1376451_215286455336679_1350860680_n.jpg

She fears the "Nay-Sayers" underground.

"STAY POSITIVE" ANN !

[laidback]

How ironic! A member of BANNERS BROKERS not wanting advertising links! WTF is that???

[scamassassin007]

How ironic! A member of BANNERS BROKERS not wanting advertising links! WTF is that???

Yes.. and...

........................ :loser:

"ENJOY AND MEET HAPPY BBers"

was a nice touch.

It should read....

"Get Brainwashed while you give us all your money and enjoy getting screwed suckers"

[scamassassin007]

Listen to Chris Smith's Soft Handed Back Slap Threat

*** About 13 Minutes In *** <------------------


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpmZ09TSOSA&feature=youtu.be

[Whip]

Am sitting here idly wondering if further information will be forthcoming about our favourite pimping suspects (Stepsys, Parker etc etc etc).

I do hope that they are all sitting there panicking about what's going to happen next.

I also hope that those who think they are going to be paid "what they are owed" will realise that it is likely to be the initial stake that may be returned, not the imaginary profits that they think they have been denied for the past 15 months or so.

seeing that they all did the same thing that 'smith' is accusing driscoll of............
we mocked the 'no pimping other **** while pimping my ****' declaration right here by posting the other **** they were pimping.

[Whip]

I was talking to co-nay sayers in the BB Ponzi Scam FB forum....

This was not brought up much yesterday...

Did anyone catch the soft handed THREAT that chris gave regarding taking action against BB?

The Irish Examiner did mention this.

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/t31/q71/s720x720/1781649_215265582005433_686306904_o.jpg

lol. I really don't think he has a choice whether he wants to 'entertain court challenges' or not.

[scamassassin007]

@ Chris SMith... Don't Be To Smug!

They Are Looking Into up to 8 Jurisdictions!

http://content.screencast.com/users/jamesclark/folders/Jing/media/0a259ea3-5a3a-46d4-b3be-39f8b6d3297e/2014-02-09_2237.png

*Credit to James Clark

[scamassassin007]

Ponzi Nazi Success ?

Mrs Parker and Iain Sherriff ...

http://i.imgur.com/RqbCJBO.jpg

*Credit to Regi Watts

[scamassassin007]

British fraud police smash international 'boiler room' ring
in raids in London and Spain seizing sports cars and
bling watches as they arrest 110 criminal kingpins

It would be GREAT if BB were next!

British fraud police smash international 'boiler room' ring in raids in London and Spain seizing sports cars and bling watches as they arrest 110 criminal kingpins | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2570002/British-fraud-police-smash-international-boiler-room-ring-raids-London-Spain-seizing-sports-cars-bling-watches-arrest-110-criminal-kingpins.html)

A few victims compared to Banners Broker.

Hopefully the fraud agencies will act on BB as well.

*Credit to Tara and Dane Dare



TARA's FB Post:

On the news tonight is a piece about a boiler room scam that has conned people out of their life savings. A joint operation between Spanish and English police has resulted in many arrests.
I mention this only because it says ONE HUNDRED people in the UK have been involved in the scam!
That's PEANUTS compared to this one!

[Ken Roklin]

lol. I really don't think he has a choice whether he wants to 'entertain court challenges' or not.

Exactly, who does he think he is? In fact, if you look at his terms and policies, the majority of them are actually illegal and unenforceable in many countries.

He also has a clause "If any provision of this Policy shall be held to be invalid, illegal or unenforceable, the validity, legality and enforceability of the remaining provisions shall not in any way be affected or impaired thereby, and such illegal or unenforceable provision shall be interpreted, construed, or reformed to the extent reasonably required to render it valid, enforceable and deemed to be restated to reflect the original intentions of this Privacy Policy in accordance with applicable law(s). "

So Chris, according to your terms and policies, you can forget most of them that protect you. In addition, what law in what country is he referring to? A court case in the UK would be according to UK laws, Canada - Canadian, etc., etc.

[scamassassin007]

Exactly, who does he think he is? In fact, if you look at his terms and policies, the majority of them are actually illegal and unenforceable in many countries.

He also has a clause "If any provision of this Policy shall be held to be invalid, illegal or unenforceable, the validity, legality and enforceability of the remaining provisions shall not in any way be affected or impaired thereby, and such illegal or unenforceable provision shall be interpreted, construed, or reformed to the extent reasonably required to render it valid, enforceable and deemed to be restated to reflect the original intentions of this Privacy Policy in accordance with applicable law(s). "

So Chris, according to your terms and policies, you can forget most of them that protect you. In addition, what law in what country is he referring to? A court case in the UK would be according to UK laws, Canada - Canadian, etc., etc.

lol.. Ken, Chris has changed the Terms and Conditions more times than I can keep up. Next your account can be banned for breathing air. (!)

[Joe_Shmoe]

Here is today's scaminar.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVqfjotLL4A


Congratulations Trinidad & Tobago :RpS_lol::RpS_lol::RpS_lol:

[Joe_Shmoe]

The people of Trinidad & Tobago rejoice at this amazingly great news.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeQifImY4Hk

[scamassassin007]

The people of Trinidad & Tobago rejoice at this amazingly great news.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeQifImY4Hk


Looks almost Like the "KUL CLUB" video...

:pt:

[Whip]

Exactly, who does he think he is? In fact, if you look at his terms and policies, the majority of them are actually illegal and unenforceable in many countries.

He also has a clause "If any provision of this Policy shall be held to be invalid, illegal or unenforceable, the validity, legality and enforceability of the remaining provisions shall not in any way be affected or impaired thereby, and such illegal or unenforceable provision shall be interpreted, construed, or reformed to the extent reasonably required to render it valid, enforceable and deemed to be restated to reflect the original intentions of this Privacy Policy in accordance with applicable law(s). "

So Chris, according to your terms and policies, you can forget most of them that protect you. In addition, what law in what country is he referring to? A court case in the UK would be according to UK laws, Canada - Canadian, etc., etc.

He's just being a smarmy douche thinking he can get over on everyone.

[scamassassin007]

Ian Driscoll Responds: 2-28 /BB Ponzi Scam FB Page

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1/1979546_215392315326093_1406886950_n.jpg



Ian Driscoll:

No I would never do that They made lots of things up to get rid of me as I was questioning things I did have completely separate Flexkom meetings and indeed did not want BB people as Flexkom is a direct Sales style business. In fact I requested that no one invites BB people but some did

[NikSam]

Chris: Today we gonna do a raffle and pick a destination for the World Tour, Ron, pick a piece of paper from the jar and read.
Ron: USA
Chris: Ron, pick a piece of paper from the jar and read.
Ron: UK
Chris: Ron, pick a piece of paper from the jar and read.
Ron: Ireland
Chris: Ron, pick a piece of paper from the jar and read.
Ron: Isle of Man
Chris: Ron, pick a piece of paper from the jar and read.
Ron: Trinidad & Tobago
Chris: Hooray, We Have a Winner !!!

[Whip]

lol.......

[Fat City, LA]

Dont believe a thing he says. Driscoll has been in scam game a long time.


Ian Driscoll Responds: 2-28 /BB Ponzi Scam FB Page

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1/1979546_215392315326093_1406886950_n.jpg

[scamassassin007]

Dont believe a thing he says. Driscoll has been in scam game a long time.

Agreed.. But he knows a lot of the inside info.

[Whip]

Dont believe a thing he says. Driscoll has been in scam game a long time.

exactly. when I see him do it in a court of law, I'd think about it. right now it's just she said she said like two girls on a playground.

[Della Cate]

Ta-dah!
Yesterday's webinar as shown on BB Iceland's FB page (copy and paste job again, sorry):-



BB Webinar
28.2.14

Ron Anderson Speaking

World Tour:
The location of the BB World Tour, which will take place in a couple of months, is Trinidad and Tobago. More information will be posted soon. I'm told that it's paradise. We are excited to meet everyone and see you down there.

Yesterdays call:
Chris had an important address to the BB nation and the call has been posted in the back office. I would highly recommend that everyone watches the webinar and learn the true information.

Banners Mobile:
The opt-in period will come to a close soon. We will be giving away 5 smart phones and an iPad in a draw for the people who joined during the opt-in period. You have until March 17th to register and purchase your package. You can register after that date but you won't keep your existing team in BM. (your BB team will stay intact).

Blackout dates: From March 7th with launch March 18th. We will be having webinars every day during the blackout. The dates are posted in your back office. There will be a bit of a celebration/party in the lead up to the launch. There will be tutorials and we want to make sure that everyone has all the information they need.

Allied Wallet: The minimum amount for loading your AW account has been reduced to $10 to enable you to pay for v3. You can't pay until after 18th March and that will get your account rolling. All Execs will be bumped down to Premium and all Premium will be bumped down to Standard for 120 days. You will be able to upgrade at any time.

Traffic packs, admin fees and movement of panels have all stopped until v3.

Twitter is going to be an important part of v3. Some of your weekly tasks will involve using Twitter. You need 10 followers and your account needs to be 30 days old. If you don't have an account, go to twitter.com and sign up.

If you want to follow BB on Twitter, you can follow us at bannersbroker.twitter.com We also have bannersmobile.twitter.com

In v3 we are going to have a brand new schedule of webinars each week, they will show how to use the tools for BB, and they will all be done in different languages, English, Portuguese, French, Hindi and any other languages we can present. It will be the same time every week and there will be a schedule posted with the dates. If you have someone new that you want to look at BB, you can give them the times to log on.

There will be a manual coming out for Bbv3 with everything you need to know about the new platform.

We are keeping this call short today because Chris did the main call yesterday. If you didn't get a chance to listen, please watch it in your back office.

On behalf of Chris and everyone here, we are grateful that you are all there. We look forward to seeing as many of you as possible in Trinidad and Tobago. Have a wonderful weekend.

Business as usual then? I wonder. It's a novel move, I'll give them that. Liquidated in the Isle of Man, $6million in an account frozen, but hey, let's not talk about that.

Makes you wonder just how much they made if they label $6million as "rainy day money"

[Dreamstealer]

I'm sure that an employee of one of the liquidators is reading this- so can you please note that Chris Smith has warned potential creditors that they will not receive a penny from the liquidation. If this is not true and if Chris has an interest (personally or via a company) in any creditor on your list, then this constitutes a dishonest attempt to maximise his return on the liquidation. I trust that this will ensure you file a report on him under money laundering rules. Also (and I am a bit rusty on insolvency rules here, especially if not covered by UK law), but does this mean that he has waived his right to participate in the distribution? There certainly used to be rules to limit attempts to dishonestly maximise your return.

[Dreamstealer]

@ Chris SMith... Don't Be To Smug!

They Are Looking Into up to 8 Jurisdictions!

http://content.screencast.com/users/jamesclark/folders/Jing/media/0a259ea3-5a3a-46d4-b3be-39f8b6d3297e/2014-02-09_2237.png

*Credit to James Clark
It is essential that all potential creditors register with the liquidation. It is free and means that you will get a return of some or all of your cash.

[Fairplay]

Smith is really trying to dump accounts now. Bad enough people need to open a Twitter account but they MUST HAVE TEN FOLLOWERS , how many accounts will that get rid of? Nice move Smith, shot yourself in the foot once again all that will do is make more people join the creditors list . The creditors list is still open for anyone and will be for awhile yet .So you have nothing to lose by joining the creditors in pursuing Smith .Its the last thing Smith wants to happen so get yourself on that list.

[Joe_Shmoe]

Smith is really trying to dump accounts now. Bad enough people need to open a Twitter account but they MUST HAVE TEN FOLLOWERS , how many accounts will that get rid of? Nice move Smith, shot yourself in the foot once again all that will do is make more people join the creditors list . The creditors list is still open for anyone and will be for awhile yet .So you have nothing to lose by joining the creditors in pursuing Smith .Its the last thing Smith wants to happen so get yourself on that list.

Can you imagine Ian & Siobhan Parkers' famous pensioners having Twitter accounts, & tweeting to complete their weekly tasks?

Me neither, so I guess that's soon to be another account locked out, & money stolen by Chris Smith.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTXmJj9hQvU

[Fairplay]

Can you imagine Ian & Siobhan Parkers' famous pensioners having Twitter accounts, & tweeting to complete their weekly tasks?

Me neither, so I guess that's soon to be another account locked out, & money stolen by Chris Smith.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTXmJj9hQvU

The one good thing about people needing a Twitter account with 10 followers is that it will encourage more and more people to join the creditors list .Smith is running scared, making threats , warning people not to go down the creditor route.Believe me, this will make people only more determined to go down this route. Keep shooting yourself in the foot Smithy boy, your a complete idiot.:RpS_smile:

[hendyphilhendy]

In the UK director loans and shareholder funds are low down the creditor 'order' list.
Banks would usually hold a security and be priority.
Trade Creditors will get an even proportion of distribution of assets.

If money is owed intercompany I.e. Belize this MAY be recoverable. The key here could be identifying a point in tome when terms and conditions were linked TP isle of man and if you had funds in the system during that time there should be a claim.

Any creditor will be allowed to review the liquidation account.

Not sure if this is the same in IOM.

[Joe_Shmoe]

Ian Parker's latest post on 4N today (my red text)


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http://siteassets.4networking.biz/UserPhotos/uerncb3j634782258406238000.jpg (http://www.4networking.biz/Members/Details/82077)Ian Parker (http://www.4networking.biz/Members/Details/82077)
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Member Since:
18th Jul 2012
Telephone:
1-800-dipshit
Location:
Egypt (somewhere near D' Nile)
Posts:
644 but zero that made any sense

My Links:

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Posted: Today at 10:44 QUOTE (http://www.4networking.biz/Forum/NewPost?topicID=146670&postID=1104064)


I had said to myself that I will not comment further in this thread as it was becoming boring for most people.... but I refuse the let 'sensationist' style writing cloud judgements :-)
Chris Smith Banners Broker CEO liquidated a company in the Isle of Man... please note the words, Chris Smith decided!!! The company was notforced to close and Banners Broker, as I have always mentioned is based in Belize.

Banners Broker has announced when version 3 will launch (17th Match) and the next stage of the world tour will be in Trinidad and I for one am looking forward to getting abck to work with BB and making some money from the online advertising world :-)
Cheers

[/TABLE]

[scamassassin007]

I wonder What Chris SMith Thinks About Us?

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1/1512453_215580068640651_1950071690_n.jpg

[scamassassin007]

WTF ???? Banners Broker Mail Delivery FWD To Pakistan?????

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t31/q73/s720x720/1658671_215613728637285_121139838_o.jpg



An enterprising affiliate had the brainwave of sending a RECORDED DELIVERY parcel to the 'head office' address in BELIZE.


*Credit BB Ponzi Scam FB Page Admin

Very Curious........

This Is Worth Looking Into!

[Della Cate]

Meanwhile, over on the BB FB page, I've found these two little gems......
7130
7131

"Jump out of the blocks with V3"? Ye gods and little fishes (as my grandmother used to say)!