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    Quote Originally Posted by Char View Post
    Multi-level marketing is scamming. MLMer=Scammer. Therefore, why would anyone trust anything an admitted scammer/MLMer says?

    Imagine a con artist claiming heís a con artist, and then someone believing his spiel and giving him their money. Thatís crazy!

    The spiel is irrelevant to the goal of the con man getting the money. The spiel or product is merely a tool to execute the crime.

    MLM inherently defaults to pyramid scheming, and that is a crime. The tool or weapon (product) used doesnít change that.

    MLM-ing is not a product, it is pyramid scheming.

    Why is this so hard for people to grasp?!!!!!
    Yeah but greed and desperation are powerful emotions that keep pulling people in...!
    It seems like in this "industry" common sense is not all that common!

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    And the defections from OneLife continue with some major GLG leaders jumping ship.

    Dusan Torbica, who was the one who got Igro Krnic into OneCoin announced his leaving. Damien Barnes and Eka Sunaryo announced they were out. Kamonsirinut Tanyasup resigned, then one of the major GLG leaders and major promoter of OneCoin Peter Hjelte resigned. Sooula McCormick, Jesse Choi, and Arto Ylitalo followed suit and resigned.

    What do they all have in common, other than their blind devotion to OneCoin? They all met with Vesselina and learned what was really going on with OneCoin/OneLife. They learned that Konstantin had pled guilty and declared OneCoin was all a lie from day one. One of their biggest issues was Ruja not defending OneCoin/OneLife by remaining in hiding.

    Of course they all realized that they had put themselves into possible jeopardy of legal action if they stayed, so they got out. A few of them will be joining Vesselina in her new program called Invicta. Wonder what they will do if Vesselina gets arrested for her part in the OneCoin/OneLife Ponzi? Funny how none of them have thought of that possibility isn't it.

    As usual, those who refuse to believe OneCoin/OneLife was nothing but a Ponzi have attacked them for leaving. Even after they gave a full explanation as to why the left. All went to Sofia and talked to Vesselina and the family before making their decision. They based their reasoning on facts, not wishes and just believing. Cultism on full display for all to see, except them.
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    The OneLife GLG members leaving has picked up steam. More and more are leaving each day. They all see the handwriting on the wall except the die-hard believers. Immediately they have gone from heroes to zeroes and are now labeled "haters" their favorite term for anyone who dares say anything remotely negative about OC/OL. These aren't just your typical GLG members. They are blue diamonds and black diamonds that have left.

    You would think people would want to know what they know that they don't and figure out that things are not as Simon Le and King Jayms have led everyone to believe they are. It should also point out that none of them have any confidence in Simon Le or King Jayms' leadership because they know they are lying to the members. I see the defections picking up steam not slowing down as more and more become aware of the truth of what is going on with OneLife. At least 12 more have left in just under a week.

    What I found fascinating is that they are all saying exactly the same thing for why they left. Their swan song for leaving sounds more like they are talking to law enforcement than their followers as for why they are leaving. I guess they think it will resolve them from any action against them by the authorities. They are in for a rude surprise if law enforcement wants to go that far down the food chain to bring charges. They all could face criminal charges for their role in OC/OL. No doubt 2020 is going to be one very interesting year for OneLife, or what's left of it.

    Order your popcorn now, get plenty of liquid refreshment on hand and settle in your comfy arm chair and enjoy the show, for it is going to be a blockbuster show.
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    The OneCoin faithful always accuse us "haters" of making things up, taking things out of context, distorting facts, cutting and pasting content to make it what we want it to say not what was really said, you get the picture.

    Well, here's a video from the believer's and let's see how many contradictions and outright lies you can find: YouTube

    This would be even funnier if it wasn't so sad they actually believe this nonsense.
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    The Captains and Fred Fok did a webinar to kick off 2020. King Jayms promised the leaders would never lie to their members, and then proceeded to do just that. But then the believers don't know they are being lied to about the current status of OneLife. King Jayms is good at finding selective videos of Ruja talking but conveniently leaves out the videos that totally contradict the videos he does show.

    In the webinar all they do is mention that Konstantin was taken into custody by the US Authorities, but conveniently leave out that he pled guilty to the four charges against him. That he testified and provided states evidence in Mark Scott's money laundering trial for which Mark was found guilty. Can't have these inconvenient truths being told to the members. I have to admit that most of the presentation was comedic gold. Here's the link to the video: YouTube Just don't be drinking any liquid when watching on you could ruin a monitor and keyboard.
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    New Year's day saw another webinar from Fred Fok, King Jayms and Simon Le. The majority of the webinar was done by King Jayms, which basically said very little but he did reveal on interesting fact. He said, and I quote: If Simon and myself did not go to Sofia, Bulgaria, the company would have been closed. The mission that Habib had set out to do to crash the company would have been successful, leaving his option as the so called ‘only option’. But we spoiled those plans."

    So we have them to thank for OneLife to be able to continue to steal people's money a little while longer. I just love it when the crooks incriminate themselves on video for all to see and hear. Nothing like making the authorities case for them. But then Simon, Fred and King Jayms are not the brightest bulbs in the lamp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    New Year's day saw another webinar from Fred Fok, King Jayms and Simon Le. The majority of the webinar was done by King Jayms, which basically said very little but he did reveal on interesting fact. He said, and I quote: If Simon and myself did not go to Sofia, Bulgaria, the company would have been closed. The mission that Habib had set out to do to crash the company would have been successful, leaving his option as the so called ‘only option’. But we spoiled those plans."

    So we have them to thank for OneLife to be able to continue to steal people's money a little while longer. I just love it when the crooks incriminate themselves on video for all to see and hear. Nothing like making the authorities case for them. But then Simon, Fred and King Jayms are not the brightest bulbs in the lamp.
    Probably need to stick a match in their ears...looks like their pilot lights are out!
    It seems like in this "industry" common sense is not all that common!

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    Well, the rose color is coming off the glasses for another GLG member and DS merchant. this was the swan song of Guy New from Australia, a major player there, and I quote:

    "To whom it may concern.

    I Guy New, GLG member from Adelaide, Australia joined OneLife in late 2017. As a significant DS Merchant in Australia (Ninja Property Solutions), being the first to provide House and Land packages in the belief that the much talked about Ecosystem be completed with an “exchange” so property sales could be facilitated. I have supported all three Expos in Australia as a Key Note Merchant and was organiser and host for regular weekly Dealshaker info/training nights and monthly Bazaars in Adelaide.

    OneLife to me was a wonderful opportunity for both business and personally. However in 2019 since the detainment of Konstintin, the failure of the NewDealshaker, the BBC podcast, dodgy cash dealings from various Diamonds, failure of the promised Exchange in September, then finally Konstintin testifying against OL/OC for the DOJ in the US, Plus division within the top leaders of OL, no support and no staff to manage the company etc etc.

    As a successful finder and promoter of Quality Merchants, I was being told by both new and old Merchants that OL/OC was no longer good for their business reputations as the “google world” was awash with TOXIC bad news. Even the local Australian Governing body “ASIC” warned against OL/OC.
    In understanding the overall success of OL/OC was solely dependent on new Merchants, new IMA’s and the DS platform and now realising the chance of success was rapidly diminishing. With a heavy heart I declare today that I Guy New relinquish my GLG status with OL/OC and will no longer represent, endorse or promote OL, OC, DS as an IMA or Merchant.

    Lastly to all the fantastic people I have meet in these past 2 years I wish you all well and declare that I am not a “HATER” that your leaders preach. If you are confused or unsure, I ask you all to look at all the facts and do your own due diligence, ask and get answers for the hard questions and please don’t get misled with the new proposed changes and by the WAH WAH and Evangelistic HOO HAR!

    Regards and Blessings to all Guy New"


    As usual the obligatory "I am not a hater" rhetoric in their swan songs. They are more afraid they will be branded a hater than for telling the truth, being branded a traitor and admitting OC was a Ponzi. But then that means he had to admit that all of us "haters" were right all along. They are all spineless wimps.

    His leaving is a tremendous blow to the Australian remaining merchants, especially those he brought into DS. Now it remains to be seen how many of them remain or leave like he has. Now the question is who's next to see the light and announce their leaving because we know there will be more.
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    Here's the new game plan for OneLife and to save the company, and I quote:

    "Here's a look at what was discussed at yesterday's meeting. Now there are new core teams to which leaders report. Core teams are responsible for:

    King Jayms - responsible for the OneLife Network and the OneLife Core Group.
    Simon Le - in charge of OneForex.
    Fred Fok - in charge of DealShaker.
    Muhammad Adeel - Responsible for the Legal, Compliance, Media and Communication teams.

    These groups have their own working groups. No more team names like Onelife Dream Team, One Concept etc. are used anymore. Instead, teams are called by country eg OneLife UK, OneLife Vietnam, OneLife Pakistan etc. Country franchisees are now called Country Managers. This helps to eliminate the strict legal requirements that franchisees have to comply with in different countries.

    By January 12, DS Country Leaders have provided a report on the number of registered merchants, trades and DS transactions in their area of responsibility, an action plan, and a three-year forecast of the region's development. The prospective candidate may provide the same information for open countries. The DealShaker Executive Committee sends the reports to the captain, who discusses and updates the information with the company, which will decide on the franchisee's future results.

    New slides are being produced for the OneLife Network to market OneLife and launch a home-based online business. The material emphasizes that we are a global company and the map shows the total number of countries. It incorporates OneLife's mission: OneLife enables the global online user community to actively participate in the development and use of new high-tech and digital products and services. The aim is to improve the quality of life of its members, provide alternative and equitable access to practical and relevant economic education for people worldwide. Ignites the natural evolution of education, creates opportunities for economic growth and creates new markets. Within the performance, people are encouraged to study with us for at least a year. These slides will soon be available to members via backoffice and all share the same presentation worldwide.

    On a country-by-country basis, you are requested to inform and update the OneLife Core Team on a weekly 90-day business presentation date.
    The ONE ONE ECOSYSTEM International Event is on its way, all members want to participate and should be marketed in all groups.

    The new packages have been launched on January 18, 2012. These are called Newlife and Newlife plus packages. The Newlife Package includes 140 € + 5500 € + 7500 € training packages, five splits, auto mining and all splits at once. The Newlife plus package consists of 140 € + 5500 € + 13750 €, six splits, auto mining and all splits at once."


    Let me translate for you. We have discovered a new way to con you and steal even more of your money. We believe you are all too stupid to realize ONeCoin is dead. There are no coins and there never was any mining happening.

    It is now just a matter of time before this too will collapse but in the meantime we going to continue to lie to you and steal as much from yo as we can before we have to announce our efforts to save the company failed because you the members and the merchants didn't do your part to save the company. It's not our fault.
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    There has been an ongoing discussion on one of the OneLife groups about why no exchange and the change in course to requiring 1 million merchants and 10 million members before an exchange will launch. Of course the defense is the new direction is needed to keep the usability of OneCoin through DealShaker to keep the price of OC from falling. They point to other fake crypto-currencies that went to an exchange and their price tanked, well according to them. The ones wanting the exchange now disagree.

    Of course the mantra has always been you have to believe in the vision of Dr. Ruja. And only those that are now running the show have that vision now. One of the posters wasn't too happy with their answers as to why no exchange now and why they were NOT following Dr Ruja's vision. The answer was the members did not read and learn from their One Academy educational material, but were just promised riches from buying OneCoin. The new leadership is following Ruja's vision. To which the question was raised why did Dr. Ruja say there would be an exchange in 2018 if that was not the way to go? Another poster summed it up best and said, quote:


    "if i understood your reasoning correctly, dr ruja was wrong to want to launch an exchange in 2018, she probably learned her oneacademy badly."

    Brilliant and funny answer all at the same time. Can't wait to see the comments to the post.

    I should point out that the One Academy Educational Material was claimed to have been written by none other than Dr. Ruja herself. So this is why the response was so brilliant and in your face to the value of the One Academy educational material.

    What has also been forgotten is that when this educational material was released, it was proven that she plagiarized the vast majority of the information instead of writing it all herself as claimed.
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    The OneLife faithful have started a couple of Telegram Support groups. It makes no difference which group you read, only positive things are allowed. No negative or haters welcome. If it remotely sounds negative, the post is deleted, or if deemed really negative the post is not only deleted but the member is banned.

    When Igor Krnic has his blog, it was pretty much the same way, although he did allow us "haters" to post our disagreements, albeit within limits andreason, but at least we got our points across. One of the main posters who relished getting our posts deleted or getting us temporarily or permanently banned was a poster by the name of detroyer. Yes that is not a spelling error. I provided some of his most colorful posts about yours truly here in this thread.

    Well, it seems that detroyer wanted to enter the discussion of the Exchange in the OneLife & DS Info Group. The group leaders don't want anyone talking about or asking about the exchange. If you harp on it they delete your posts and ban you from the group. So detroyer, being the good "believer" in Ruja's vision for OneCoin, posted this in that thread, and I quote:


    "Exchange is needed for several reasons.

    1- To set the real price of the coin in a real public market (supply and demand) and not set the price in private.

    2- The European laws that came into force from 10/01/2020 require full transparency of the companies that operate in the cryptcurrency industry (declaration of assets, taxation and tax on the wealth and hearing of crypto companies by the financial authorities).

    3- Allocation of crypto wallets to ones owners (now onelife members are just a mlm network that have fictitious accounts on websites that anyone can block or freeze, this situation looks like a hostage taking of millions of members on a boat (do what I say or leave the ship in the middle of a shark-infested ocean).

    4- If we want to make one the future of payment, the leaders who are to carry out the one project must be graduates and experts in finance and Blockchain, international trade and IT.

    5- If the company will have to be led by MLM leaders then the advantage of commissions and network will be the priority of these leaders before any other economic vision, technological or public exchange, because the secret is that the exchange and remittance will be the end of onelife network and the mlm.

    (in 2014 the founder Dr. Ruja didn't want to insert the MLM into her vision but Sebastian persuaded Dr Ruja to launch the coin with mlm, and today we see the results, investigations and arrests in the rank of the network in lot of countries, disappearance of Dr Ruja, leaks of mlm leaders and they abandoned their downlines after make money, like Igor Alberts, Kari, steinkeller brothers, Zafar, Habib, Gordo and Mariana Lopez, and others.....

    - Who will be the next to leave the project onecoin to launch his own project and try to steal the network ??
    - Who will be the next captain?? another mlm leader ??

    many question that the members can ask and the answer will be... don't be negative, haters, troll, you can leave ..... No No No guys !! Don't take members for stupid.

    Unfortunately in my mind, Exchange and Remittance will never launch with the actual team.

    - You're talking about haters??

    - Do you know them??

    - What have you done to stop their attacks and spams?

    - What are the company's lawyers waiting for to sue them for defamation??

    - Why isn't there a competent IT to develop websites able to give good onecoin advertising and accelerating the approval of kyc and kyb??

    - Why are there no financial experts able to analyze the one market at the opening of the exchange??

    - Who is the onecoin's CEO?

    - I can continue to ask questions, but all these questions will unanswered.

    my friendships to Igor krnic, flatrate, Trueadvocate, swissandrew, john reiner, Slobodanbodan, that I salute and who were my brothers fighting against haters Tim curry, cryptoxpose, Eagleone and others, on the ''Onecoin-debate.com'' forum of Igor krnic.

    Best regards
    Detroyer"


    Within minutes of his posting his comments, the post was deleted, and from what I can tell he was banned from the group. So much for tolerance of ideas. His cardinal sin, he told the truth and denigrated the founders and the new team leaders. Major no-no. Reading the thread at the time he posted this was Fred Fok and King Jayms. No coincidence that he was banned so quickly.

    What is funny to me is that he said what all of us "haters" were saying all along. But I can tell you that in his minds eye he didn't even realize he was proving our points we were saying in Igor's thread that he denigrated us 'haters.' Talk bout poetic justice and irony.

    If you want to get a taste of just how he posted on Igor's blog, scroll back a few pages and you will see him in action. As the old saying goes, "what goes around comes around;" and it came full circle on him. Now he knows what it is like to tell the truth and being banned for doing so.
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