FlexKom aka Flexcom aka Weeconomy - legitimate MLM or scam ??

[Char]

I could be here all day.


"Flexkom is the next big thing, a world wide mega mall which is allying retail shops with online commerce to make a heady brew. Flexkom is using all the latest technologies to create a unique shopping experience. Launching in 50 countries soon, this company is going to take the world by storm. "

"If you want an invite to rippln click on
Rippln is about to take the WORLD by Storm.
You can invite people to use the Communicaution/Game App for FREE and build your RIPPL ....."

"This is not the Lyoness I’m talking about.
The Lyoness I mean is an Austrian company that is poised to take the English speaking nations of the world by storm.

"You were just exposed to the concept that is taking the world by storm, but now, let’s take it up a notch.* This next video will give you a slightly deeper understanding of Lyoness. "

There's more but you get the picture.

[Whip]

it's raining in flexkomland?

[ribshaw]

How about moving the Lyoness thread to online opportunities so they can run side by side and show the world Flexkom is nothing new.

Post 4 is worth looking at as Flexkom and Lyoness if not twins, then the same money sucking mirage. http://www.realscam.com/f9/lyoness-2855/

[Char]

Who is George Gasich?

Flexkom Newsletter
"George Gasich was appointed sales
manager for the entire United States.
He is one of the most experienced and
successful partner in direct sales. During
his many years of business development, he has established
internationally more than 100,000 partners."

Follow this closely:

@google
Kangen Water Weekly Live Call Schedule - Constant Contact
myemail.constantcontact.com/Kangen-Water-Weekly-Live-Call-Schedul...‎
Hosted by Jeanne Basso & George Gasich. EVERY THURSDAY @ 9:00 p.m. ( EST). CALL: 1 712-432-0900 Pin: 113902#. Enagic Success Training Program.

Enagic Kangen Water MLM. Alkaline water debunked. See the science here: "Ionized" and alkaline water: snake oil on tap

More importantly, we see that George Gasich has a connection with Jeanne Basso.

Now look here: PAS / Prosperity Automated Systems Shut Down SEC Scam.com page 27 from 2006!!! Snippets below:

"Thanks for understanding....Mary really does not need more. Mike B. (docb) knows her, too.... she's a very nice and good-hearted person. Like me, she fell for Athena Costa's and Jeanne Basso's bullsh*t and shelled out over $5K. If you want to bash someone, bash Athena and Jeanne....I will be glad to help you all you need!""

She definitely has a long background at pyramid/ponzi scam, but at under a $100K earner(so disclosed by the dubious IGI compliance stats) she is mid-level as it would seem those above $100K, the George Gasich, Jeanne Basso, DeeDee Birdie and mystery woman, Kay "Ma" Parker, are among the "elite" in the scam.

Prosperity Automated System Investigated by SEC.

William M. Osterhout and Prosperity Network, Inc. d/b/a Prosperity Automated System: Lit. Rel. No. 19848 / September 27, 2006

http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?t=4141

Why "believers" blindly give these people money is beyond me!!!! Unless they too are willing to make money off friends and family BECAUSE THEY AREN'T GOING TO MAKE IT IN CASH BACK REWARDS AT STORES!!!

[Char]

Start listening at 52 minutes for the good stuff. Poor Alice from Kansas City asks a very good question (her second question I think so keep listening) and gets a curious response. Let's hope she figures it out.

FlexKom Next Level Team Leadership 03/21 by FK Next Level | Entrepreneur Podcasts

[EagleOne]

Anyone with an IQ above a potted plant should have picked up on none of these people know what in the heck they are doing or what it takes for each level. They were all over the place with their mumbo-jumbo hoping people would just buy what they said. Too bad there wasn't more time for someone to really pin these jokers down. If this does not convince you this is an illegal pyramid scheme, nothing will. You've drunk the Kool-Aid.

[JustTooMuchTime]

Who is George Gasich?

More importantly, we see that George Gasich has a connection with Jeanne Basso.

Now look here: PAS / Prosperity Automated Systems Shut Down SEC Scam.com page 27 from 2006!!! Snippets below:





Prosperity Automated System Investigated by SEC.

William M. Osterhout and Prosperity Network, Inc. d/b/a Prosperity Automated System: Lit. Rel. No. 19848 / September 27, 2006

http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?t=4141

Why "believers" blindly give these people money is beyond me!!!! Unless they too are willing to make money off friends and family BECAUSE THEY AREN'T GOING TO MAKE IT IN CASH BACK REWARDS AT STORES!!!

Great find!

[Char]

OOPS missed a few on who is George Gasich.

The Best Kept Secret In The USA Snippet below:

"If you like what you see on this page, click CONTINUE to watch a video presentation of our company and listen
to a recording of my call featuring my upline 7-Figures earner Jeanne Basso & George Gasich. You'll learn
more about the company, the products, compensation plan, and our state of the art marketing system."

They are talking about 3000now.com
Revolutionary Profit Sharing EVE

Revolutionary Profit Sharing
EVERYONE (100%) start earning in 24 hours
Eliminate ALL stress associated with traditional businesses:
No Sponsoring & Recruiting
No Calling, Chasing, or Selling
No Website, Training, or Autoship
100% NO Experience or Computer Skills required

And:

@google
New 2002 Team Elite Members - Nu Skin
http://www.pharmanexusa.com/library/...no2.pdf‎
Jun 20, 2002 - healthier, more productive lives, the Pharmanex. BioPhotonic ... Tom and Ann Houghteling. Dallas, Texas ...... George Gasich. East Chicago, IN.

About Nuskin
Nu Skin Enterprises Pyramid Scam !!!

Also this reference:

@google
International Galleries: I was wrong .... - Scam.com
scams - report the scam here › Message Board › Work at Home Scams‎
Sep 20, 2005 - 8 posts - ‎4 authors
IGI is only for MLM minded people that are willing to sign up more ... and hangs with Mafia types Basso, Tommy Moore and George Gasich . [Not sure if he was involved with IGI just the friend]

So the question begs:

Will George Gasich tell you anything for a fee or is he just a poor judge of picking businesses. Umm, that doesn't say much for Flexkom's future.

Again, unless of course you're willing to make money off your family and friends' investment money = BIG MONEY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN WITH LOYALTY APPS OR CARDS.

[Char]

Slight correction because fair is fair.

George Gasich may have been promoting jeunesse and not 3000now. Looks like the website referenced was by a guy named Don pimping 3000now ala his email adresess listed AND Jeunesse. Guilty by association?

Anyway, the point remains the same and add Jeunesse to his list instead.

[ribshaw]

So the question begs:

Will George Gasich tell you anything for a fee or is he just a poor judge of picking businesses. Umm, that doesn't say much for Flexkom's future.

Again, unless of course you're willing to make money off your family and friends' investment money = BIG MONEY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN WITH LOYALTY APPS OR CARDS.

As JTMT said great find on this piece of work. Georgie seems to keep with the FLexkom tradition of hiring leaders that are good at ONE thing, recruiting. One is certainly left wondering why he needs to be burning shoe leather on the latest and greatest if there were so many other easy money opportunities he promoted. Looking at his past may as well be a crystal ball showing the future.

The notion of training rang a bell. A way back I was at a "note brokering" pitch in a conference room somewhere. I think training was around $2,000 give or take, but the kicker was if you signed up you got the speaker as a "personal trainer", he would even give you his number. It is almost as if there is a script that these guys read from.

I certainly have no knowledge about Georgie, but if his life follows that of a lot of hucksters it is one of boom and bust, not of building lasting businesses. Money passes from the seminar circuit to their pockets, straight to a 3X lifestyle, and then a very predictable bankruptcy.

[Stewart]

Start listening at 52 minutes for the good stuff. Poor Alice from Kansas City asks a very good question (her second question I think so keep listening) and gets a curious response. Let's hope she figures it out.

FlexKom Next Level Team Leadership 03/21 by FK Next Level | Entrepreneur Podcasts

So, a rough transcription, not word-for-word, goes something like:
Caller: If I get on board and attend [some convention they're talking about] tomorrow, can I immediately the day after start deploying POS machines in Kansas?
Answer: As long as you are, or get to be [insert job title] then we will "open that area up". [I think the title was "Regional Sales Director" or similar.]
Caller: What does [job title] mean?
Answer: It means you have below you 3x [other job title]
Caller: And please define [other job title]
Answer: That's somebody who has 3x [yet a third job title] beneath them.
Caller: So I need to have 3 who have 3 who have 3?

[And then it gets confusing as several people talk at once.]

I'm not entirely sure what "open that area up" means, but one of the people said "we need leadership in that area before we can open it".

I'm curious about the advertised reasoning behind this. A covert non-advertised reason might be that it delays the green light as long as possible.

I understand the concept of a "launch day" for products, for logistical and promotional reasons, such as when the latest iphone is in the shops.

But I don't quite get putting an indefinite delay into "opening an area". If the servers are working, why wouldn't you do it?
Surely if it's all legit you would want someone, anyone, to start deploying POS's ASAP, because the more there are out in the field, the more they can be seen to be working, the more you can show them off, the quicker the word would spread, get articles in local papers, the more you "create want".

But under this system, you've got 27 people in a hierarchy, not one of whom has ever actually had a go at deploying a real POS. They may have done drills at the convention, fine, but even the leader of the hierarchy won't have done it for real.

It's a system which selects as its leaders people who are good at recruiting, not people who are good at promoting to and supporting local businesses, although they're both sale-ish type activities, so I can see how someone who is good at recruiting would easily see himself doing the other.

But why would you delay the green light? Why delay all that activity and revenue?

[EagleOne]

Stewart: In regard to your question: But why would you delay the green light? Why delay all that activity and revenue? The answer is simple: The program does not work, so they have to get everyone signed up thinking it will work as this is how anyone makes any money as an affiliate or whatever they are calling themselves. If they actually had to have product in the marketplace before getting everyone on board, it would collapse immediately. They would see the program does not work, as well as their app and POS. All they have is hype and promises of great things to come, and it is all they are ever going to have.

[Char]

Ian Driscoll of Banners Broker ponzi scheme infamy enjoying life in the first 30 seconds of this video. Wonder how the victims of Banners Broker feel about trusting this mans judgement and giving him their hard earned money - Especially the ones who are struggling to put food on the table today.

See him now is this Flexkom video. I guess after Flexkom it will be private jets instead of the limos and tuxes seen here:

http://www.flextube.eu/de-DE/Views/Views/Index/1045

[Char]

^^^Same video with better link.

[Stewart]

Ian Driscoll of Banners Broker ponzi scheme infamy enjoying life in the first 30 seconds of this video.

He's also at 2:36 for about 40 seconds. Gotta love that smile at the end!

[Char]

FlexKom Next Level Team Leadership 03/24 by FK Next Level | Entrepreneur Podcasts

At 7:10 they name drop and mention "talking Flexkom" to Ray Perkins former NFL coach. Well, well, well a friend of mine contacted Ray Perkins and he has no idea what they're talking about. Not only that, assured her that he would never be involved with anything like what was described to him. They had a nice conversation and he said it was the third call he had gotten that day for some crazy investment thing.

Stewart, I guess "talking Flexkom" means the same as "opening an area".

Ribshaw, how did you put it? Scammiest scammers?

[Char]

Wouter Hol has done some amazing work exposing Flexkom. See his blog. (Use google "wouter hol flexkom" then translate)

People really need to pay attention and learn from others' mistakes.

"Butter on my head" "Lick my wounds. Big bulge" - Gotta love google translate. Very good post from former believer below:


Marcel Gotje March 27, 2014
Dear People,

As promised, yet as my input. As an experienced entrepreneur, I also like other enterprising people make mistakes.
Since November 2012, I had my signed with FK.
The concept seemed great and thought what have I got to lose.
At the beginning I had me engrossed in FF but have a lot of money and energy into it. Eventually greatly Without the kick to certain people in FF, I doubt it was seen that I was too good for FK 2200. Since June 2013 over € anyway
I was paying too much by accident 2x.
Having sent to Germany many proofs, I just got back € 648.00 (in December 2013), and thus still waiting to € 1,639.00.
By now I was well on the way to the SD status because there was enough interest, since my network is large.

I was almost 24 hours a day working on FF and eventually RC.
Subsequently, several meetings and also showed regularly visited some criticism in my "colleagues" But I was immediately a stranger in our midst, and they were totally open to criticism on my part.

The distribution of postcode areas I find a strange case of classification because if you think you are close to good shopping is in the interest of FF and I have done my part as an experienced salesman and customer that my earnings would be.
Not the current group of people because they have hardly any experience in the field of sales. They can just screw in "their" postcode area. No, I certainly do not believe that FF is close to shops and you have nothing that APP. Barely works.

POS terminal also what I saw at a meeting, I will use customer-discount retailer terminal is far from optimal. And the retailers have to learn this? and how will the Distributors explain this?
I really have no idea.
The many changes that you hear at every meeting bother me tremendously.
At each meeting ripe for yet another explanation or so but told anything.
But it is clear in the following:
Take people along and investors who want to pay back money. People are crazy and the head to also take a VIP package and even to buy POS terminals Hello, FK still wants the biggest company in the world? terminals that give away!!. Let FK see if you take people seriously and retailers. The product sells itself then.

Grand opening, to laugh, first Paris, then somewhere else in a big stadium and eventually put pressure on people to buy tickets! I was so mad to buy tickets, but they have returned to Apeldoorn and then again to get them back. And is called that I have to pay it. Cards But get yourself thousands of dollars from FK. ??

I have visited many meetings and the last RC's concert, but I had a good look around me and came to the following conclusion:

I'm going to stop because a puppet, but people still need to recruit and everywhere but money for asking!. The belief in the company FK and the fact that there are hardly listened to your will has made me decide to make it stop.
I do not beat me in the chest, but if I "club" together see, I really see NO ONE who is able to connect. A shop I have my track record as an entrepreneur and is like no other convincing retailers. But I was not convinced of FK.
My reputation as an entrepreneur in the security was at stake. Is screened by Justice since 1995 and have a good reputation in the industry, I think.
Feels sorry for all those people so much money and time are invested.
Given time, energy and money, I think more than € 10,000 to € 15,000 to go wrong because I have invested in other people because I wanted to help this by personal reasons.

My network is unprecedented and present myself with my experience and expertise as a Security Expert and Private Investigator.
And to be honest, believed in and FK concept, but unfortunately maybe butter on my head.
But'm done, if you have to wait for money to which I am just right almost a year.
For this reason I have therefore taken the right decision and should lick my wounds. Like many people
Own fault. big bulge.

Ok I have invested money to go start in Portugal and here I can just forget about my money. But they have underestimated my never, I should know better. However, had
But time will tell.
You can count on me,

Sincerely,

Marcel Gotje RAN
Entrepreneur

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Huub March 27, 2014
Congratulations Marcel. I take my hat off to you for the fact that you admit your mistake. There you have guts. Hopefully that will open the eyes of others. Nice to get so openly. A bit of a look behind the scenes FlexKom It confirms to be the image that gives Wouter that 'now'.

Good luck with your efforts to get something. Your money back

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Marco BB March 27, 2014
Hello Marcel, I join with Huub, hats that you want to tell your story here!

I myself was about 1.5 years ago by an acquaintance approached to go to a meeting Flexkom anywhere in a room. I was told in passing that Flexkom would be. Within a few years one of the world's largest companies I had to be quick because the licenses were limited and would thereby be much more expensive quickly. But when I uitpluisde the 'employment' of Tsjengiz on German websites, I was immediately convinced he same game (scam) would play what he got. 6/7x time for each other exactly Only this time international, larger than before and end up with many more casualties.

This bruiser and career MLM there is totally wacky and is only good at one thing, people light up. A few months ago opened Wouter his blog and my last 0.1% doubt I was within a few minutes lost. Your story shows once again how difficult it is to judge when you arrived. Middle of a scam if Flexkom soberly For how is it possible that all those lies, myths, fairy tales, or whatever you want to call it to be swallowed? By following We've all seen are reviewed here, the fake certification Ebcon, the BDS quality seal, staged videos that the impression had the impression that everything works, a shopping street in Turkey to Flexkom state was converted, all those different POSjes, Flex Holiday , Flex Hotel, Baker & McKenzie and dozens of other examples. It can not be on.

Besides the fact that I'm not in the business model of Flexkom faith (MLM, a virtual currency, a shopkeeper who are granted discounts even more must cede to Flexkom) they have a pure default delivered to their subscribers. Ridiculous what Tsjengiz & Co. are all thought to be able to afford. See your double payment that they have not yet returned. Still after all this time Yield a decent end she never succeeded but keep knocking. Interim money from the pockets

You have an important point that there are no vendors walking around with FK. Because sales is a profession and hard work. There you may be educated, but when it's not in you, then forget it. Even if the FF system 100% correct (that it is not and it is not), then the remaining FK-ers would not be able to bring it on. Man This is a common problem in MLM, there can be just one example, "sales manager" in rank above you who are not pepernoot can sell but have registered. Happen sooner An example of this seems to Gerda Zeiss Flexkom.

After seeing a documentary (see Netflix) on the largest pyramid / ponzi all time by Bernie Madoff (65 billion dollars ...) and how long it has been left out still think quickly, what the heck are Tsjengiz and Asker actually tiny , pathetic little crook ...

Good luck with your business and your claim with Flexkom.

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Marcel Gotje March 27, 2014
Sorry for any typos,
haha
Marcel

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Marcel Gotje March 27, 2014
Do not blame me for the mistakes.
Got text tonight during job trying to put out a little bit and was tired haha.
But am open to action against FK.
Nice words from a company but with words alone can one buy bread.
But will not rest until I get my money back.

Sincerely,

Marcel Gotje RAN
Entrepreneur.

[ribshaw]

I was almost 24 hours a day working on FF and eventually RC.

This is certainly the corollary to everything that has been discussed in this thread. We heard just sign up two merchants (keep your full time job) and $500 per month in passive income will fill your pockets. Even discounting everything else he has laid out (not wise but play along), what are the odds for someone who is not a serial recruiter?

For years the MLM/GRQ (Get Rich Quick) community has tossed around two things very consistently; it takes little to no money to start, and you can do it part time. BUT once they get your money one starts to hear things like; "The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary", "True believers needing to be out showing (X) 6 or 7 nights a week", "Buy your tickets to this can't miss event, at the company's COST naturally ". And for what result?

99% of all distributors in these companies earned on average less than $13 a week in commission income. (In 10 of the 11 companies, the commissions were less than $10 a week.) This isn’t even enough money to cover the minimum purchases they’re required to make in order to “qualify” for commissions. Pink Truth » Myth of MLM Income Opportunity: 99% Lose Money in MLM

[MLM Broken Model]

Are George Gasich, Tom McMurrain and others getting PAID EACH MONTH BY THE COMPANY (in addition to overrides) to bring in more INVESTORS and PROMOTERS? If so, did they disclose this information to the field?

[Scamtracker-Jaap]

I will edit Marcel Gotjé's posting from the WouterHol.nl forum a little so you can better understand it. Although Google translate is a good tool, I find the results often almost unreadable. Here we go:

Dear People,

As promised, here is my input. As an experienced entrepreneur, I still can make mistakes, like every other entrepreneur.
In November 2012, I signed in to FK.
The concept seemed great and I thought what have I got to lose.
From the beginning I have have put a lot of money and energy into FK. At some point I started to doubt because FK owed me 2200 € (I accidently payed the licence twice) and they never payed it back. Having sent to Germany many proofs of this, eventually I received only € 648 (in December 2013), and thus are still waiting to receive the rest (€ 1,639)

By now I was well on the way to the SD status because there was enough interest, since my network is large.

I was almost 24 hours a day working on FK and eventually made it to RC.
I visited several meetings and also had some criticism. But to my 'collegues' I was a stranger in their midst, and they were totally rejecting any criticism on FK.

The distribution of postcode areas I thought of as a strange way of classification because if you are a good sales rep it is also in the interest of FK. I have proven my part as an experienced salesman and should be permitted to connect shopkeepers outside my postal code area.
The current group of people will fail because they have hardly any experience in the field of sales. They might easily screw up in "their" postal code area. No, I certainly do not believe that FK is able to enroll any shops and also the app is useless. It barely works.

The use of the POS terminal is far from optimal, I noticed at a meeting. And the retailers have to master this? Will the GTM's be able to explain all this? I really doubt it.
At every meeting there are many changes, it bothers me tremendously.
At each meeting there is yet another explanation for the same problem.
But very clear is the following:
FK wants you to recruit people and bring investors to pay for the KTM. People are pressured to also buy a VIP package and even to buy POS terminals. But hello, FK wants the biggest company in the world, isn't it? Then it should give those terminals away for free!! That is taking people and retailers seriously! The product would sell itself then.

Grand opening was laughable. First Paris, then somewhere else in a big stadium and eventually they put pressure on people to buy tickets! I was so foolish to do that, but inmediately mailed them back to Apeldoorn (Holland HQ), only to get them mailed back to me again. With the claim that I should pay for them anyhow. But then FK still owes me thousands of euro's...

I have visited many meetings and the last RC's meetings too, but I had a good look around and came to the following conclusion:

I'm going to quit this circus, where you always need to recruit new people and where the ask you money for everything! The lack of belief in the company FK and the fact that there hardly listen to the GTM's has made me decide to quit.
I don't want to brag, but if I see this poor bunch of people, I really see NO ONE who is able to enroll a single retailer. I have a good track record as an entrepreneur and I am sure I was able to convince retailers. But I am not convinced of FK anymore.
My reputation as an entrepreneur in the security was at stake. I am screened by the Justice department since 1995 and have a good reputation in the industry.
I feel sorry for all those people that have invested so much money and time.
Given the amount of time, energy and money, I think I stand to lose more than € 10,000 to € 15,000.

My network is very large and I offer my experience and expertise as a Security Expert and Private Investigator.
And to be honest, I believed in FK and its concept, but unfortunately maybe I also am to blame myself.
But I'm done with them, if you have to wait for money to which I am entitled for almost a year now.
I therefore have taken the right decision and now are left to lick my wounds. Like so many other people
Serves me right, I had it coming.

Also I have invested money to start in Portugal and will lose that too. But they should never underestimate me, although I should know better myself.
But time will tell.
You can count on me,

Sincerely,

Marcel Gotje RAN
Entrepreneur

[Char]

Welcome Jaap,

We appreciate the help. Unfortunately, America is being promoted heavily right now and your English translation made it clearer for future victims. Thank you.

[Scamtracker-Jaap]

You're welcome. In Europe we have a couple of years more experience with Flexkom. And the Wouter Hol forum is the treasury for info on Flexkom worldwide, so I am glad to help you out with it. Google translations from Dutch to English are not too bad. I tried from Turkish to Dutch, but that is like deciphering hierogliphics.

In the Netherlands Flexkom has made some progress and is now more or less in phase 3 since the beginning of this month. I say more or less because they are very vague about it. The about 400 GTM's that are left are now getting trained and after that should be free to go out and try to seduce the shopkeepers. A group of about a 100 GTM's is already doing that. Until now 2 shops have been hooked, but FK is very secretive about it. And these shops are owned by FK agents themselves. FK is very quiet about it all and the lack of success stories is telling.
Still I am surprised that they actually took the risk of going into phase 3, and thereby taking the risk to fail. Once the GTM's are turned loose on the shopkeepers, they will find there is no interest and will return home with a bloody nose. And even if they manage to sign in a shopkeeper, after all it is initially free for them, the shopkeeper will soon find out that the discounts costs him too much. They will either diminish the discounts to next to nothing (2 or 3 %) or will give discounts outside the FK system, so they can evade paying the FK share. Also ofcourse they will discover pretty quickly that the FK system does not result in more customers coming to their shop, and will lose any remaining enthusiasm. That is a likely scenario I think.

One thing puzzles me. In the U.S. you have so much more experience with MLM then we do. How come that Flexkom is able to fool still so many people? Is it the lure of the American Dream? In Europe some countries have a natural resistance against the Flexkom disease: Germany for instance, because Tjengiz is too widely known as a scammer there. In Germany FK is practically non-existent. And in some Balkan countries, like Bulgaria and Albania. In Albania they had a small civil war over a pyramid scheme in the nineties. The whole country was scammed and almost went bankrupt over it. Now it is impossible to market any MLM stuff there, they are totally allergic to it.

[littleroundman]

How come that Flexkom is able to fool still so many people?

Ah, but is it ??

All we have is the word of FlexKom, which is notorious for the lies and exaggerations it uses and a handful of serial pyramid promoters to whom lying is a way of life that the numbers of "fooled people" exist.

It should be remembered, I think, that there is a subclass of serial pyramid players and promoters who will jump on board the "next big thing" regardless of how legal or viable it may be, which inflates the numbers and makes the opportunity more attractive to potential victims err, new members.

IM(very)HO, when it comes to ponzi / pyramid schemes, trying to separate fact from fiction is a pointless exercise and the only sensible way to approach any get-rich-quick scheme is to assume it's ALL lies.

[Char]

All so true LRM especially the "sub-class" reference. I wonder what the percentage breakdown is in each class?

My analogy goes something like:

Meth lab owner = MLM/Ponzi founders
Meth dealers who know not to use but make money off drugs = MLM serial pimpers like Ian Driscoll et.al
Meth junkies who are in denial and hooked = People in various MLMs always believing in the next big thing
Meth first time users looking to have some fun not realizing the harm & paying street value = MLM victim

It's a scuzzy, unethical, criminally infested, lying bunch of con men and women in the MLM world.

[Scamtracker-Jaap]

These serial pyramid scheme promotors, like Russell Longcore for example, do you think they get paid for spreading false information? That they function as disinformation agents? A bit like how Gerald Posner gets paid for spreading the official lie about the JFK and MLK murders?