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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    It has been confirmed that Nanci Jo's son, Taylor, is suffering from a serious head injury and was back in the hospital at the last report received. Our thoughts and prayers go out to Nanci and her family, and for the doctors to find a fix for his injury so Taylor has a full and speedy recovery.
    And may she find the strength to admit all her sins and walk the path of the righteous. ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by kschang View Post
    And may she find the strength to admit all her sins and walk the path of the righteous. ;)
    Amen

    But I ain't counting on it.
    So your prophets of finance have fallen on their collective proverbial face, and you hear muffled voices calling: Welcome to the human race.
    You made a killing dealing real estate at NASA selling cemetery plots in outer space til some falling coffins crashed upon your doorstep: Welcome to the human race.

    Open up your heart...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Haskell View Post
    Well dont I feel like an ass. My apologies to the Frazer family. I hope Taylor makes a full recovery.
    And that his mom is in jail real soon....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Former Player View Post
    John Schepcoff is not stupid. He knows how to evade taxes and hide money because he is saying the right things. I know quite a bit about setting up offshore foundations and corporations since I used to do this myself. If he has indeed moved his money to Panama or Costa Rica it will be hard to ever find it. The only way to find the money would be to make the lawyer who set up the foundation to talk.
    Actually, not so hard to track down the offshore tax haven scammers. A massive data file has been released thanks to the work of an international consortium of journalists and the countries have been copied and are taking action against the characters like JS who promote this offshore tax dodge dream. I bet he's on the list.

    Offshore Tax Havens Became Traps for Investors | International Consortium of Investigative Journalists

    Something like 30 trillion has been stashed "offshore" to evade legal taxes. I think the OECD countries would like to get the tax on that.

    Shout out to this editor who produced this great Shlepcoff piece. Profitable Sunrise: Behind The SCAMS - YouTube

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    Rather interesting development in the weekly conference calls done by Mike Rothermel. Last night he announced the FBI was involved and was cancelling the call and future calls and then hung up.

    Now what is interesting about this is how did Mike know the FBI is involved? Hmm, wonder who he has been talking with to learn that information, and how does he know it is true?
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    Profitable sunrise fans:Oh boy a conference call. Maybe they will give us the new URL so we can get our money back!!!

    Mike:*Picks up Phone*

    Audience:*Nearly drops from anticipation*

    Mike:Sorry, all conference calls are closed and the FBI is monitoring us

    Audience:*Swears in misery*



    Btw, this is the longest server migration ever. I guess Roman has a server somewhere in his bank account overseas somewhere spending every last penny of the money that was generously donated to him.

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    Profitable sunrise fans:Oh boy a conference call. Maybe they will give us the new URL so we can get our money back!!!

    Mike:*Picks up Phone*

    Profitable sunrise fans:*Nearly drops from anticipation*

    Mike:Sorry, all conference calls are closed and the FBI is monitoring us

    Profitable sunrise fans:*Swears in misery*



    Btw, this is the longest server migration ever. I guess Roman has a server somewhere in his bank account overseas somewhere spending every last penny of the money that was generously donated to him.

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    Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

    I read an article today by the finance writer for a central California paper about the state warning. In the 42 comments to the article, 41 were complaints about the government shutting down a paying program, "just so they could keep the money". I'm just about getting cynical enough to think most of these people are too stupid to have money and they might as well lose it to scammers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregg View Post
    I read an article today by the finance writer for a central California paper about the state warning. In the 42 comments to the article, 41 were complaints about the government shutting down a paying program, "just so they could keep the money". I'm just about getting cynical enough to think most of these people are too stupid to have money and they might as well lose it to scammers.
    Somebody give me an AMEN!!! ( Double entendre intended!)
    It seems like in this "industry" common sense is not all that common!

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    Quote Originally Posted by laidback View Post
    Somebody give me an AMEN!!! ( Double entendre intended!)
    AMEN!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregg View Post
    In the 42 comments to the article, 41 were complaints about the government shutting down a paying program, "just so they could keep the money".
    I think a short while ago someone asked why law enforcement isn't more active in shutting down these types of scams. I was going to comment, but got involved in something else (damn work) and don't think I did.

    Gregg's observation is a good part of the reason. There is a sense in the LE community that these are indeed lower priority than other financial crimes, in large part because of the greed of the players. While the feeling isn't applicable to the little old ladies who don't know better, plenty of LEOs do not see garden-variety ponzi losers as victims, but rather as willing participants who accepted the risk and lost. There are others whom they see as real victims who are simply of higher priority.

    As I may have posted before, I never represented a ponzi promoter, but I did represent a couple of boiler room operators. Targeting (as one judge put it, not entirely tongue-in-cheek) little old ladies and retired parsons is the best way to wind up on LE radar.
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    Shutting down a paying program... That's what they said about Zeek too, i.e. "There was no victim in Zeek until SEC shut it down".

    They are a lot like Cypher... choosing to believe in the fake steak in the Matrix.

    When did Neo become a victim? Clearly, he'd been a "victim" ever since he started in The Matrix. Long before he even realized he was a victim.

    So when Morpheus got him "flushed" out of his pod by forcing him to "wake up", Neo gets exposed to "the reality". And it was much more unpleasant than he had ever expected.

    Would you say that before Morpheus intervened, Neo was not a victim?

    Of course not. Neo was a victim. He just doesn't know it. However, ignorance of his own status as a victim of the machines doesn't make him any less of a victim, except the cliche "ignorance is bliss", though it really isn't.

    So what does this have to do with a scam?



    What does the Matrix have to do with a scam? When the victims choose to live in la-la land (The Matrix) instead of confronting reality: that they've been defrauded. They are in "denial", and I don't mean the river. They blame the government (Morpheus) for waking them from their dream.
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    Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    Rather interesting development in the weekly conference calls done by Mike Rothermel. Last night he announced the FBI was involved and was cancelling the call and future calls and then hung up.

    Now what is interesting about this is how did Mike know the FBI is involved? Hmm, wonder who he has been talking with to learn that information, and how does he know it is true?

    Can you provide a link to these conference calls? Thanks in advance!

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    Here's the number for the recorded calls done by Mike Rothermel, 218-339-4699 Pin #764601 You may have to press another key to move through the recordings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    Rather interesting development in the weekly conference calls done by Mike Rothermel. Last night he announced the FBI was involved and was cancelling the call and future calls and then hung up.

    Now what is interesting about this is how did Mike know the FBI is involved? Hmm, wonder who he has been talking with to learn that information, and how does he know it is trued?
    Apparently the FBI did not get the memo that Profitable Sunrise is a gift from God and that Roman Novak is providing the program as a charity. Maybe Myriad Force can contact them and rectify the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizzard7 View Post
    Here's the number for the recorded calls done by Mike Rothermel, 218-339-4699 Pin #764601 You may have to press another key to move through the recordings.
    Thanks! Appreciate it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowtie496 View Post
    Apparently the FBI did not get the memo that Profitable Sunrise is a gift from God and that Roman Novak is providing the program as a charity. Maybe Myriad Force can contact them and rectify the situation.
    I have been wondering about Myriad Force, has be been on any of the boards with any comments lately?

    Found this as of today on his Linked in Page after I posted the above question, appears he may still know things you naysayers will never understand.

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    For all the Scripture that MyriadForce quoted here, and at MMG, all the Scripture that Nanci Jo had on her website, as well as some of the others at MMG quoting Scripture, they managed to miss this one:

    ""Do not lie. Do not deceive one another. Do not swear falsely by my name and so profane the name of your God. I am the LORD."

    Leviticus 19:11,12 NIV

    Now I can't imagine why.
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    It is the truth "as far as they know it" (and they want to stay ignorant, much like Cypher in the Matrix)
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    I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall in the Anthony Infante deposition and for Martin Sipe coming up next week.
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    My friend who dropped 10 large in PS just told me that STP has frozen the PS accounts and will get the people's money back for them. He said it may take 6 months to do it though. STP is basically saying that they do not want to lose customers so they are willing to help get their money back. Not sure if any of that is true or just BS from STP. Interesting though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCA777 View Post
    My friend who dropped 10 large in PS just told me that STP has frozen the PS accounts and will get the people's money back for them. He said it may take 6 months to do it though. STP is basically saying that they do not want to lose customers so they are willing to help get their money back. Not sure if any of that is true or just BS from STP. Interesting though.
    I dunno if that's true or not, but just a little background on STP doing unilateral refunds. In the past, they have done this. They take what is left in the account and supposedly give everyone back a percent of what they put in. I wrote a thing on Patrick Pretty about it a few years ago. The thing is, as I wrote, that's not in a strict sense legal, it's certainly not fair. Suppose you're a fairly seasoned player in these scams, and you know that STP has a history of doing this. And further, suppose that since you know this, you make all your deposits through STP, but all your withdrawals from other services. So in theory you could put in $10,000 through STP, withdraw $20,000 but all by bank wires, and then STP decides to give everyone a refund of 10%...you'd get ANOTHER $1,000 from them to make up for your "loss". Doesn't sound so fair anymore eh? I won't even mention that, perfectly legally, STP before dividing up what's left in the account takes a fee for the trouble. What's the fee? They won't say. It could be 5%, it could be 95%, and since they won't tell, well, we don't know. By law, when a company has ''unclaimed funds'' from another company, the company is supposed to hold that money for 7 years in the US, but up to 99 years in Canada, because even though we all know it's stolen money, until a court so finds, it still legally belongs to the owner of the account, not the people he scammed. And one reason is, because of the situation I laid out above. If the pros know one company will give refunds from time to time, they'll make sure to ONLY deposit with that company, and withdraw some other way, and if there are any refunds, they get ahead of those who don't know the game.

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    At this case i think STP will not do any refunds but wait for court appointed receiver to surrender entire balance.
    As they did with Zeek.
    PS generated too much legal noise and sooner or later STP will be contacted if not already contacted.

    They would not risk to act as fair distributor of frozen funds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NikSam View Post
    At this case i think STP will not do any refunds but wait for court appointed receiver to surrender entire balance.
    As they did with Zeek.
    PS generated too much legal noise and sooner or later STP will be contacted if not already contacted.

    They would not risk to act as fair distributor of frozen funds.
    For Zeek they had no choice, they were presented with a court order, which they are not going to get this time. In order for that to happen there eventually has to be someone to charge in a jurisdiction they can get to him at. Since Roman is most likely a figment of electrical imagination, there isn't anyone to put up against a wall. The C7D orders did all they could do or were intended to do, they stopped more people from losing money, but legally, as far as Interreef and PS are concerned I think this one is over. The legal fights on this are going to center around the US based promoters, who tried to present themselves as oh so smart for finding such a great program and are going to end up holding the bag for Roman, who has more than likely started a new scam with largely the same members.

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    Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

    Not sure if this is just my rather strange sense of humor or (yet another) random misfiring of synapses but I found this story apropos if this thread:

    The hamster that came back from the dead: Pet 'Jesus' digs her way out of grave 24 hours after being mistakenly buried alive... at Easter


    By Conor Sheils
    PUBLISHED: 07:31 EST, 10 April 2013


    A miracle hamster shocked her owners when she rose from the dead during Easter.

    Lisa Kilbourne-Smith and boyfriend James Davis from Painswick, Glousestershire, were looking after the tiny pet - then called Tink -for friends when they found her lying lifeless in her cage.

    They thought she was dead and wrapped her body in kitchen roll, dug a grave in their flower bed and gently laid the rodent to rest.

    The tearful pair then phoned Tink’s owners Nicki Gamble and Jamie Wynn to break the terrible news.


    But the next day - Good Friday - the pair called back to announce that the Houdini hamster who the family have nicknamed 'Jesus' had been ‘resurrected’ after going into hibernation.

    She had eaten her way out of her paper shroud, dug her way out of her grave, edged along a narrow wall and then climbed a waste pipe to land in a recycling box.

    She then crawled into an empty cat food cardboard box which became her shelter through the sub-zero night.


    [Story Link]

    No word yet if "Tink" is the hamster who ran in the wheel powering the Pro Sun server but this might explain the website's unavailability for the "Easter Gift." Nanci Jo has made no public comment but the creatures seeming miraculous return might possibly explain why the server is still pinging.
    So your prophets of finance have fallen on their collective proverbial face, and you hear muffled voices calling: Welcome to the human race.
    You made a killing dealing real estate at NASA selling cemetery plots in outer space til some falling coffins crashed upon your doorstep: Welcome to the human race.

    Open up your heart...

    Welcome to RealScam.com.

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