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    Coach & Mentor
    Now your talking! This will be the only way anyone can recover funds. Once you organize, the Secret Service in Raliegh NC will help with the criminal part and your law firm will have easy pickings of the leaders. Way to go!


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    Now that the end for Profitable Sunrise is for certain with the recent SEC*

    I am recommending that anybody who was enticed or coached and mentored by Mr. Schepcoff in Profitable Sunrise, or any other significant promoter of Profitable Sunrise, to contact Lynn Edgington at 949-837-6078 or Eagle Research Associates, Inc. - Home Page to be our one-stop source for information gathering. We can then all collaborate our resources and decide the next plan of action. I reached out to Lynn earlier this week for the first time and can tell you that he has been on top of the Profitable Sunrise ponzi investigation since at least last October. He has many resources in the state and federal law enforcement field and will certainly be an advocate for those in Profitable Sunrise seeking action against the big time promoters in an attempt to get some/all of our lost funds recovered.

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    More vultures circling for victims:

    Profitablesunrise Complaints

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    You can refund your money Profitablesunrise.But its limited Czech government allowed only 100.000$.Now we can refund 65840$.
    How to refund your money
    1.contact us skype:Pscomplaints
    2.We can refund only LR,STP,EGOPAY



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    Sad thing is that someone will give these thieves their payment processor logins and get their accounts cleaned out.
    So your prophets of finance have fallen on their collective proverbial face, and you hear muffled voices calling: Welcome to the human race.
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    Im getting irate. They gutted people. HYIP crowd is one thing but this got DEEP into people who barely heard on ponzi.
    You look at their FB pages, these people dont have $100 extra much less $1000's.

    They NEVER withdrew. mantra was $ is safe, rebuy....Christchild loves Roman, etc. Meanwhile HYIP crowd made 10 of thousands off 100.

    Part of Ohio where SCAMcie Joe Frazer is hurting....going to put small churches under.

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    These people are criminals.

    There are no redeeming features
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    These people are criminals.

    There are no redeeming features
    I know they got involved in Ponzi but I still feel for individuals.. Simple greed. Also just a bad time to take $ out of market when it ended up booming...

    All this $$$? Could of endowed 10k soup kitchens.

    Early/mid 2000's @Savannah, Georgia, USA- an entire middle class of church people destroyed by Qwest and its 2 other ponzis.
    They were unique, used real salesmen and had paperwork. Only mega churches now, pastor wouldnt know you unless you hand them $100 bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat City, LA View Post
    They NEVER withdrew. mantra was $ is safe, rebuy....Christchild loves Roman, etc. Meanwhile HYIP crowd made 10 of thousands off 100.
    It was kinda clever in a sick twisted way that your upline would earn a percentage on your daily ROI but ONLY if you were set to "compound" rather than withdraw that interest.
    So your prophets of finance have fallen on their collective proverbial face, and you hear muffled voices calling: Welcome to the human race.
    You made a killing dealing real estate at NASA selling cemetery plots in outer space til some falling coffins crashed upon your doorstep: Welcome to the human race.

    Open up your heart...

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    It has begun. Martin Sipe has been issued a subpoena to appear before the SEC for a deposition on April 9th in Salt Lake City. He is to bring documents that were attached to his subpoena for this deposition, and the deposition used for all purposes including trial. Antony Infante has also received a subpoena to appear for a deposition in Atlanta on April 11. Just like Martin Sipe he is instructed to bring the documents that were listed in the attachment, will be used for all purposes including trial.

    Now it remains to be seen who's next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    It has begun. Martin Sipe has been issued a subpoena to appear before the SEC for a deposition on April 9th in Salt Lake City. He is to bring documents that were attached to his subpoena for this deposition, and the deposition used for all purposes including trial. Antony Infante has also received a subpoena to appear for a deposition in Atlanta on April 11. Just like Martin Sipe he is instructed to bring the documents that were listed in the attachment, will be used for all purposes including trial.

    Now it remains to be seen who's next.
    Ponzie Jo hopefully
    Can someone take a screenshot of post below on the FB page?
    Interesting read back for last day. Must be PC in the day ward of the nervous hospital somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    It has begun. Martin Sipe has been issued a subpoena to appear before the SEC for a deposition on April 9th in Salt Lake City. He is to bring documents that were attached to his subpoena for this deposition, and the deposition used for all purposes including trial. Antony Infante has also received a subpoena to appear for a deposition in Atlanta on April 11. Just like Martin Sipe he is instructed to bring the documents that were listed in the attachment, will be used for all purposes including trial.

    Now it remains to be seen who's next.
    The wheels of justice turn slowly but they do indeed turn.

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    Wow! This is a good sign. Funds might get back to the innocent victims. I am praying that they can retrieve the massive commissions Nanci Jo Frazer made on the 30+ million dollars from her recruiting efforts.



    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    It has begun. Martin Sipe has been issued a subpoena to appear before the SEC for a deposition on April 9th in Salt Lake City. He is to bring documents that were attached to his subpoena for this deposition, and the deposition used for all purposes including trial. Antony Infante has also received a subpoena to appear for a deposition in Atlanta on April 11. Just like Martin Sipe he is instructed to bring the documents that were listed in the attachment, will be used for all purposes including trial.

    Now it remains to be seen who's next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baylee View Post
    The wheels of justice turn slowly but they do indeed turn.
    They certainly do and those who think that they have burried the evidence against them, will find that they have a rude awakening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat City, LA View Post
    Ponzie Jo hopefully
    Can someone take a screenshot of post below on the FB page?
    Interesting read back for last day. Must be PC in the day ward of the nervous hospital somewhere.




    https://www.facebook.com/profitables...wlegit?fref=ts

    I love the name Ponzie jo because it so apt. Please don't forget her sidekick the reverend scamcrapper. Both deserve to be wearing orange jumpsuits for a very long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat City, LA View Post
    Ponzie Jo hopefully
    Can someone take a screenshot of post below on the FB page?
    Interesting read back for last day. Must be PC in the day ward of the nervous hospital somewhere.

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    which leads to:

    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post


    which leads to:


    I can offer you an entire country. Once I set up the site you can give me your e-mail address so I can spam you with affiliate offers.

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    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Apparently I've been blocked from posting on http://www.facebook.com/ProfitableSunriseIBO and most if not all of my previous comments were scrubbed.Strange , all I've posted was links to the legal documents, something about receivership and ponzis in general and a a post or two about the Howey Test.I wonder what did they find so offensive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nourjan View Post
    Apparently I've been blocked from posting on http://www.facebook.com/ProfitableSunriseIBO and most if not all of my previous comments were scrubbed.Strange , all I've posted was links to the legal documents, something about receivership and ponzis in general and a a post or two about the Howey Test.I wonder what did they find so offensive?
    The truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nourjan View Post
    Apparently I've been blocked from posting on http://www.facebook.com/ProfitableSunriseIBO and most if not all of my previous comments were scrubbed.Strange , all I've posted was links to the legal documents, something about receivership and ponzis in general and a a post or two about the Howey Test.I wonder what did they find so offensive?
    Not too much of a surprise, that's Kevin Waldron's page and he's something of a serial promoter. I noticed he stopped deleting my posts when I stopped saying anything about suing uplines or anything about the ponzi industry writ large. He had to let people bitch about Profitable Sunrise, that's only realistic. But anything which might keep folks from joining his next scam, that he couldn't allow.

    But you did some good work there Double N.
    So your prophets of finance have fallen on their collective proverbial face, and you hear muffled voices calling: Welcome to the human race.
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    I'd like to take a minute to point out some of the truth that we're likely to find now some people are ginna have to answer questions.

    First, we'll find that PS Team Leaders have in fact not had any personal contact with "Roman Novak" and all the "heard it direct from Roman" cheerleading was made up from whole cloth. None of the know anymore about the person who called himself the leader than we do.

    Second, as much as I want Nanci Jo to be in a lot of trouble (she still is), I think we're going to find out that her and the other "Team Leaders" we're stuffing their bra in regards to their downline. DOn't be surprised if NJF is only responsible for somewhere between a tenth and half of her claimed 71,000 members and $33,000,000.

    Their ain't gonna be any receivership or clawback or refunds here. They may take some money from the big pimps but the real money is overseas and out of reach. England maybe, Czech Republic? Nah. Sorry, but the "it's safe from interference because it's all overseas" people are wrong about it being safe but the chances of any of the money coming back when you sent it to Eastern Europe are pretty slim.

    One of the major pimps will have not taken out more than a token amount in the grand scheme of things. I dunno why, but every time, there's always one who had a balance on screen of millions who had only withdrawn hundreds or a few thousand. Even Faith Sloan and Ken Russo got burned that way (on the same scam no less). There is also going to be at least on major pimp who got a purported business background to convince them, something as plausible as the new Oscar Meyer Flying Bacon and Ham Hocks, and they actually believed it because even though "the industry" puts them forward as some great business expert they in fact know very little about business. For the last year I've called it the "Troy Dooley" effect. That man has done more damage to victims than most admins and pimps because he's respected for his business knowledge, which amounts to being able to use a few big words in a sentence and convince the rubes he knows more about business than my dog. He doesn't.

    And this last one I'm going to regret and hope I'm proved wrong on, but I've been burned saying otherwise so many times, I've lost the faith. None of the big pimps is going to get in much trouble. They may have some disgorged profits, may have some civil fines. They'll pay these as quietly as they can (not good for the downline to find out the last "best program I've ever seen" you ended up paying the SEC a few million for) and move onto "the best program I've ever seen". We have finally seen a few of the people running the programs in orange jumpsuits, but some of them have even walked away with Charis Johnson and friends. But not once have we seen the big serial promoters, people who each have led to more theft than any of the so far caught admins, face even a misdemeanor charge. And it infuriates me. You lock up Andy Bowdion and within months you're shutting down Paul Burkes. Zeek goes down and the pimps take their downline over to ProSun, Banners Brokers is running right out in the open and when the Canadian Government finally shuts them down, we'll have another one. And what they all have in common is Ken Russo, Faith Sloan, and, hell it's tired and I'm sick and I can't think of the regular cast but we all know who I'm talking about. The day they get perp walked into a federal courthouse, and not just one of them but a whole paddy wagon full, will do more to stop the online fraud game, at least in North America, than closing down and prosecuting the whole front page of programs on TalkGold or MoneyMakerGroup.

    Some people have FINALLY gone to jail, and that's a good thing, but it's time for trials with pimps trying to cut deals by testifying against each other, a series of trials that involve dozens of ref whores on RICO charges. Hell, we already know WHO they are, WHERE they are, and WHAT they've not only done but bragged about doing for, in some cases, at least ten years.

    Okay, rant mode off for now. Like I said, I'm not feeling very well tonight, and I'm starting to sound like bitter old man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregg
    Okay, rant mode off for now. Like I said, I'm not feeling very well tonight, and I'm starting to sound like bitter old man.
    Even "bitter old men" can be speaking the truth, you know.

    IM(very)HO, all it will take is ONE political decision that enough is enough, and online HYIP ponzi frauds will be set back years.

    That decision being to throw the book/s at the "usual suspect" pimps and shills simply to put the frighteners into the "industry"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregg View Post
    I'd like to take a minute to point out some of the truth that we're likely to find now some people are ginna have to answer questions.

    First, we'll find that PS Team Leaders have in fact not had any personal contact with "Roman Novak" and all the "heard it direct from Roman" cheerleading was made up from whole cloth. None of the know anymore about the person who called himself the leader than we do.

    Second, as much as I want Nanci Jo to be in a lot of trouble (she still is), I think we're going to find out that her and the other "Team Leaders" we're stuffing their bra in regards to their downline. DOn't be surprised if NJF is only responsible for somewhere between a tenth and half of her claimed 71,000 members and $33,000,000.

    Their ain't gonna be any receivership or clawback or refunds here. They may take some money from the big pimps but the real money is overseas and out of reach. England maybe, Czech Republic? Nah. Sorry, but the "it's safe from interference because it's all overseas" people are wrong about it being safe but the chances of any of the money coming back when you sent it to Eastern Europe are pretty slim.

    One of the major pimps will have not taken out more than a token amount in the grand scheme of things. I dunno why, but every time, there's always one who had a balance on screen of millions who had only withdrawn hundreds or a few thousand. Even Faith Sloan and Ken Russo got burned that way (on the same scam no less). There is also going to be at least on major pimp who got a purported business background to convince them, something as plausible as the new Oscar Meyer Flying Bacon and Ham Hocks, and they actually believed it because even though "the industry" puts them forward as some great business expert they in fact know very little about business. For the last year I've called it the "Troy Dooley" effect. That man has done more damage to victims than most admins and pimps because he's respected for his business knowledge, which amounts to being able to use a few big words in a sentence and convince the rubes he knows more about business than my dog. He doesn't.

    And this last one I'm going to regret and hope I'm proved wrong on, but I've been burned saying otherwise so many times, I've lost the faith. None of the big pimps is going to get in much trouble. They may have some disgorged profits, may have some civil fines. They'll pay these as quietly as they can (not good for the downline to find out the last "best program I've ever seen" you ended up paying the SEC a few million for) and move onto "the best program I've ever seen". We have finally seen a few of the people running the programs in orange jumpsuits, but some of them have even walked away with Charis Johnson and friends. But not once have we seen the big serial promoters, people who each have led to more theft than any of the so far caught admins, face even a misdemeanor charge. And it infuriates me. You lock up Andy Bowdion and within months you're shutting down Paul Burkes. Zeek goes down and the pimps take their downline over to ProSun, Banners Brokers is running right out in the open and when the Canadian Government finally shuts them down, we'll have another one. And what they all have in common is Ken Russo, Faith Sloan, and, hell it's tired and I'm sick and I can't think of the regular cast but we all know who I'm talking about. The day they get perp walked into a federal courthouse, and not just one of them but a whole paddy wagon full, will do more to stop the online fraud game, at least in North America, than closing down and prosecuting the whole front page of programs on TalkGold or MoneyMakerGroup.

    Some people have FINALLY gone to jail, and that's a good thing, but it's time for trials with pimps trying to cut deals by testifying against each other, a series of trials that involve dozens of ref whores on RICO charges. Hell, we already know WHO they are, WHERE they are, and WHAT they've not only done but bragged about doing for, in some cases, at least ten years.

    Okay, rant mode off for now. Like I said, I'm not feeling very well tonight, and I'm starting to sound like bitter old man.
    Thank you for saying it and I agree with every last word of it!!!!!

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    The law hasn't kept pace with technology. 20 years ago the cost and lack of reach that direct mail, hotel seminars and face to face contact were able to provide posed a natural check on a scams growth. Websites, email and social networking drop that cost through the floor and drive that reach around the world. Only idiots rob you with a gun these days, a keyboard is a far superior criminal tool. The law needs to catch up if they want to keep pace.

    That will happen, if not soon. Am I an optimist? Hell no, it's just that the collective economic losses these things cause are great enough to spur eventual action and unlike many somewhat organized less than mutually positive legislative issues there really isn't a pro ponzi political lobbing group to grease the palms of our honest and honorable public servants. The less than fully competent regulatory response to these crimes is born more of ignorance than of kickbacks campaign contributions.

    Part of the issue is, of course, human nature. People who think they just found a perpetual motion money making machine will crow it from the roof tops but the people who found out the hard way that "there ain't no such thing as a free lunch" seldom talk about how much money learning that lesson cost them. But those victims aren't alone, they're not even close to being alone. At the present they just aren't close to being aware or organized. The math isn't on the scammers side, with each new scheme defrauding 80 to 90% of it's participants through their very actions they're breeding more victims than players. One of these days the fluid mass will become saturated with enough victims that a simple tap on the glass will trigger a crystal formation. When it does there will be enough of a reason for lawmakers to more fully examine this issue.

    That wont happen today or tomorrow or perhaps soon. But the one good thing about human nature is that we eventually do the right thing, after we've exhausted a whole hell of a lot of the other options.
    So your prophets of finance have fallen on their collective proverbial face, and you hear muffled voices calling: Welcome to the human race.
    You made a killing dealing real estate at NASA selling cemetery plots in outer space til some falling coffins crashed upon your doorstep: Welcome to the human race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    Civil action??....So what is the likely result of all this?? and what documents must they bring??..... I'm guessing the docs means showing how much they stole in this scam...(??)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat City, LA View Post
    I know they got involved in Ponzi but I still feel for individuals.. Simple greed. Also just a bad time to take $ out of market when it ended up booming...

    All this $$$? Could of endowed 10k soup kitchens.

    Early/mid 2000's @Savannah, Georgia, USA- an entire middle class of church people destroyed by Qwest and its 2 other ponzis.
    They were unique, used real salesmen and had paperwork. Only mega churches now, pastor wouldnt know you unless you hand them $100 bill.
    Just look at ladym12 on MMG forum. Talk about jumping from one ponzi to the next. She continues to state she is done putting money into these scams, but she continues to do it.

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    For those of you who may have been enticed to "step up to the plate" and "invest" a boatload of money into Profitable Sunrise - now that the SEC has gotten involved on the civil side of things and likely criminal charges will be levied on the major promoters and group leaders (i.e. John Schepcoff and Nanci Frazer), just wanted to share that there may be IRS tax relief in the form of ponzi theft loss. Please educate yourself with: Ponzi Scheme Tax Loss. The attorney is Richard S. Lehman. It sounds like if criminal charges are brought (just a criminal compliant filed will suffice) the IRS provides "administrative ease" (i.e. no questions asked) when reporting your ponzi losses. This is just another avenue to pursue while we wait for the civil lawsuits and our rights to claim our share of the fruit. As I previously posted a couple days ago, I strongly suggest that all of us who were brought into Profitable Sunrise under false pretenses (our money is guaranteed, we having nothing to worry about, due diligence was done on Roman Novak, promised to be coached and mentored by a promoted Profitable Sunrise team trainer, etc..) contact Lynn Edgington at Eagle Research Associates, Inc. - Home Page so that he may take all of our complaints/information to his state and federal law enforcement contacts. If any body has any suggestions on a reputable law firm who would look into filing civil suites against the main promotors (those who solicited on youtube and websites, i.e. John Schepcoff) and group leaders (ie. Nanci Frazer, a/k/a/ NJF Global Group, a/k/a Global Impact Resource Alliance, a/k/a Focus-up Ministries) please post that information on this forum. Thanks

    As you can tell, the promoter who invited me into Profitable Sunrise is John Schepcoff and our group leader is Nanci Frazer. Just want to remind those of you who may have also had the same up-line and leader as me - the following claims made by Mr. Schepcoff: I have been a coach and mentor for the past 30 years; my background is in finances; I am an expert when it comes to compounding; I am an expert when it comes to "securitization"; you need to put your funds in the long haul program; your funds are safe and guaranteed; you need to protect yourself with your Easter gift so you don't go to prison - you will go to prison because you will make too much money too fast in the eyes of the IRS; don't touch your Easter gift money, I will coach and mentor you to get in contact with Wayne Wakefield of Nevada Business Corporation to set up a Nevada Corporation that is tied to an offshore business corporation that is tied to an offshore bank account; our leader Nanci Frazer is a pastor, she only wants good, trustworthy people in our group; I know exactly how Roman Novak's hard money loans word, I too have done hard money loans; I have such vast experience in finance that I am the creator of a mortgage accelerator program and know compounding like the back of my hand; that is why I am allowed to talk about the interest you will earn from profitable sunrise, because of my finance background; nobody else in Profitable Sunrise has the experience as I do or can make money in Profitable Sunrise as fast as I do; so I invite you to come with me and duplicate what I am doing; just click the top of the page an opt-in; before you call me, make sure you have at least $500 to invest into Profitable Sunrise, but I would like you to come in with much, much more; talk to your friends and family and have them give me a call too; I'll see you at the top!

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