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    Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw View Post
    Thought of a good explanation for the "membership club" though. Try opening a club in your area where men join to talk about "cars and sports" the cost is $1000 per week. At this club there also happen to be beautiful women that enjoy and get very excited of car talk shall we say. See how long the local authorities let you operate your "membership club".
    It all depends on where you are in world and how it's presented. When you eat at Hooters, are you paying for the food or for the view?

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    Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

    Here is a new training video for when Pro Sun comes back online

    Profitable Sunrise New Fast Track Training to Riches! Seious Pro Sun Affilaites Only/1 - YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcob View Post
    Here is a new training video for when Pro Sun comes back online

    Profitable Sunrise New Fast Track Training to Riches! Seious Pro Sun Affilaites Only/1 - YouTube
    ROFL Good one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finix View Post
    It all depends on where you are in world and how it's presented. When you eat at Hooters, are you paying for the food or for the view?
    I had to stop eating at Hooters, the staff kept asking for my number and ogling me while I ate. Found it all very degrading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw View Post
    I had to stop eating at Hooters, the staff kept asking for my number and ogling me while I ate. Found it all very degrading.
    Did you sue them for your money back, plus pain and suffering?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me View Post
    A world without regulation relies on everyone being honest
    A world without financial regulation relies on people using caution when entering financial dealings, not on everyone being honest. A good rule is "if you don't understand it, you don't need it".

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    Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

    Rumorama Update:

    Profitable sunrise

    3 hours ago


    Official Information emailed by my team member from group leader

    WE ARE ALL WAITING FOR SERVER MIGRATION TO BE COMPLETE. We cannot email support until it is back online to be advised as to the decisions of their Legal Team as to the function of their website in relation to those states and countries requesting registration. We are confident Mr. Novak will keep his word on all things as he always has thus far.

    We ask that the Christian Media Gurus and others be respectful of the many Christian individuals and families who have come to this program because of the positive research that was presented for the past three years. We as Christian brothers and sisters are to lift each other up and support... helping all to end up in the right direction. We insist that you remove all destructive posts if you are who you say you are. We keep you in our prayers as well.

    NOTE: No registration requirement was ever requested by any State or Country for Profitable Sunrise in 2009, 2010, 2011 or 2012 to our knowledge. That is the reason that it was stated by our team members that registration was not an issue (as the company was also offshore) according to our research at the time. 2013 is presenting "change" that their Legal Team is addressing. All change can be good!





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    • Eugene Jackson Jr Eugene Jackson Jr I think this is it folks money is gone out of thin air thanks to James Paris running his mouth a website can only be down but so long an the reality has to set in some of us are going to take a big hit due to big mouths.
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    • Nigel Kua Let GOD bless everyone for now, all we do now is to pray. If it is the GOD's will that this is a SCAM then we should learn an expensive lesson, but if its not, please help those who really needs them.
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    • Nigel Kua Many things can be done if everyone is financially free, and all will have the time to do GOD's work and spread the Gospel rather than spending all the time in routine work which drive us away from the Lord..
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    Gotta hand it to them, it's hard to cram so much BS into so few words.
    So your prophets of finance have fallen on their collective proverbial face, and you hear muffled voices calling: Welcome to the human race.
    You made a killing dealing real estate at NASA selling cemetery plots in outer space til some falling coffins crashed upon your doorstep: Welcome to the human race.

    Open up your heart...

    Welcome to RealScam.com.

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    Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

    look, New Jersey just woke up:
    NJ Scam Alert: Beware of a Company Called Profitable Sunrise

    Good morning New Jersey :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finix View Post
    It all depends on where you are in world and how it's presented. When you eat at Hooters, are you paying for the food or for the view?
    LOL, I love the wings and the view so I vote both.

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    Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

    When you deposit money into a HYIP, you are basically paying for the opportunity to make a very high return very fast. The odds of winning are about 1/5. It really isn't bad at all, plus it could be viewed as a game of skill and not chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlimDropper View Post
    Rumorama Update:



    Gotta hand it to them, it's hard to cram so much BS into so few words.
    Wow, makes me want to puke reading that garbage!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finix View Post
    A world without financial regulation relies on people using caution when entering financial dealings, not on everyone being honest. A good rule is "if you don't understand it, you don't need it".
    I am going to call BS on that comment. When someone enters into financial dealings with another person, a fiduciary relationship exists. As such, the legal and moral onus is on the person selling the investment or other financial product, whether it be a HYIP or not, to tell the truth. The reason we have laws is because there is no reason why anyone entering into a relationship of this nature should have to second guess the intentions of the person offering it.

    The idea that people go through life looking over their shoulder with the idea that everyone they deal with is corrupt is cynical at best. As Çi commented before, the majority of people on the planet are basically honest and live their lives without being touched directly by fraudsters.

    Here is one definition of fiduciary relationship in case it is not clear

    http://www.businessdictionary.com/de...ationship.html

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    Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

    For the nth time, the internet is not real world. It's actually an opportunity to see what would the world look like if different rules existed.

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    ....and one thing is obvious. The owner and major promoters of Profitable Sunshine have abused their fiduciary relationship with their members 200%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finix View Post
    For the nth time, the internet is not real world. It's actually an opportunity to see what would the world look like if different rules existed.
    Oh but it is. It's a new part of the real world. Your HYIP world is a sub culture within the real world, not outside it. It is simply the criiminal world taken online

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finix View Post
    When you deposit money into a HYIP, you are basically paying for the opportunity to make a very high return very fast.
    No. You are not. What you're paying for is an opportunity to be victimized and to victimize other people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Finix View Post
    The odds of winning are about 1/5. It really isn't bad at all, plus it could be viewed as a game of skill and not chance.
    There is ZERO chance that any "odds" of winning are reliable. Besides that, the "odds" vary by time of entry and other unknown variables such as the behavior of insiders (both disclosed and undisclosed), the undisclosed rake, the undisclosed degree of larceny in the hearts of the operators/insiders, whether the criminal goals have been met or are still pending, the degree to which a scheme makes it on the radar of law-enforcement agencies and the degree to which criminal networks target the "opportunity" for second-tier scams such as duping people into providing payment-processor or banking log-in information.

    Moreover, any person who views it as a "game of skill and not chance" is advancing an argument of maximum idiocy. HYIPS are not the game of poker as played lawfully in some jurisdictions. HYIPs are straight-line wire-fraud schemes that present the financial equivalent of heroin as the choicest of candies.

    Profitable Sunrise is worse than many HYIPs -- none of which are good -- in the sense that it marries securities fraud to what fundamentally is a tale about loansharking. What makes it even worse is that "Christians" who may or may not understand the issues are "defending" both securities fraud and usury.

    There are many questions that needed asked, but this is most important: What individual or group benefits from issuing appeals to Christian greed and who is the REAL audience for the unbelievably audacious PR message?

    "They" might as well announce that "they" can steal from Christians at will either by being corrupt Christians themselves or by posing as "Christians."

    It is organized crime -- or worse.

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    Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

    The internet is simply a newish communication system which has a lot of benefits for many people. People use it for real business. It transmits real news. People use it to write letters and to speak to each other. It is a great way to advertise real products and services to a wider public. It is a wonderful means to learn about things and to communicate across borders. The fact that it is used by criminals does not make it any less real. The money people lose to HYIP fraudsters is real enough.

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    Keep shutting them down, and you'll never have a chance to collect reliable data on the HYIP models and odds of winning. The models themselves are interesting because if they are taken out of the context of criminal enterprise and used for gaming, they could be a real asset for those who like the opportunities for capital accumulation they present.

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    How do random scripture quotes make it worse? True believers know it's all BS.

    BTW, there is no fundamental difference between PS making a buck off of Christians and Jim misleading them into praying for money instead of enlightenment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finix View Post
    How do random scripture quotes make it worse? True believers know it's all BS.

    BTW, there is no fundamental difference between PS making a buck off of Christians and Jim misleading them into praying for money instead of enlightenment.
    The affinity fraud issue, when someone uses faith or any other commonality to abuse the members of that group it weakens that community. And I wish that true believers really did know it was all BS.

    One of the early Zeek fallout calls had a story that torn at my rather jaded heartstrings. A church pastor in the rural American south had put some money into Zeek but was skeptical, he placed his daily ad but had a hard time really trusting it. But he must have gotten in early enough that by early 2012 he was pulling money out with some regularity. You'd need to have heard his voice but as cynical as I can be I believed every word he said. He wasn't bragging about how much easy money he made he talked about how blessed he felt because with the money he was taking out of Zeek he no longer needed to draw a salary from his church and they could use that money to make repairs to the building and fix up their church bus.

    The man was in no way a "player," he didn't know it was a game. His church secretary noticed he wasn't drawing checks from the church and when he told her why, she joined Zeek as well. All told 25 members of his church joined Zeek between April and August of 2012 when the program was shuttered, all of them lost their investment. The pain and mortification in that mans voice when he asked what he could tell his church members struck me like a blow. A man with a sincere concern for his church learned in one of the hardest ways possible that too good to be true isn't. Zeek Rewards weakened the bonds between what seemed to be a very humble and spiritual man and his congregation.

    I can't speak for Mr. Paris and don't need to, he isn't at issue here. But when the Nanci Jo Frazer's of the world use their mail order divinity degrees as window dressing for a con game it isn't just her victims wallets that get hurt.
    So your prophets of finance have fallen on their collective proverbial face, and you hear muffled voices calling: Welcome to the human race.
    You made a killing dealing real estate at NASA selling cemetery plots in outer space til some falling coffins crashed upon your doorstep: Welcome to the human race.

    Open up your heart...

    Welcome to RealScam.com.

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    The rules are different when you start involving other people. It's not gambling any more, it's promoting. You'd think a preacher would have enough morals to investigate the opp in depth before sharing it with people who trusted him, but guess not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finix View Post
    The rules are different when you start involving other people. It's not gambling any more, it's promoting. You'd think a preacher would have enough morals to investigate the opp in depth before sharing it with people who trusted him, but guess not.
    And I wish the players, shills and pimps in this would stop lying to their victims and get a conscious and realize they are a criminal just like the person running the Ponzi. Their lack of morals speaks volumes about them, as well as their defenders.
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    Wishful thinking is a wonderful thing. If people stopped lying to themselves and others, they would stop being people and become gods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finix View Post
    When you deposit money into a HYIP, you are basically paying for the opportunity to make a very high return very fast. The odds of winning are about 1/5. It really isn't bad at all, plus it could be viewed as a game of skill and not chance.
    From the zeek receiver website it appears to be one in eight.

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    Still better than counting cards in Vegas. No danger of being beat up by the casino staff either.

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