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    Quote Originally Posted by Former Player View Post
    Having FUMI involved is what makes this so appetizing for a lawyer.
    The lawyer will have a hard time convincing people they are victims and not willing participants in Nanci's version of Christianity.

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    Well the one good thing in regards to suing Nanci and her FocusUp Ministries, etc is that she filed bankrupcy 2 or 3 yrs ago and won't be able to so now to get out of her debts since it's not been 7 yrs.

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    and don't forget her false claims of her tax exempt charity

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    Quote Originally Posted by intheknow View Post
    Well the one good thing in regards to suing Nanci and her FocusUp Ministries, etc is that she filed bankrupcy 2 or 3 yrs ago and won't be able to so now to get out of her debts since it's not been 7 yrs.
    Nanci is poor too? Wow. Do you have a link to court documents?

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    they are on pacer look under name: frazer, nancy jo

    also, here's a picture of her house/office:

    http://www.williamsoh.ddti.net/UserC...90591083093688

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    I will be seriously disappointed if after all what Nanci did she will not have to serve time in jail.

    Authorities should stop treating fraudsters as a white collar crime.
    If you rob a bank or a store for $1000 , cops will come and put your face into dirt while handcuffing you,
    If you rob thousands of people for millions dollars they will send you a nice letter asking you to explain yourself.

    WTF? there is no White Collar crime, Wild West just moved to the internet.
    Last edited by NikSam; 03-16-2013 at 07:03 PM.

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    This story reminds me of some gal who now runs an anti-scam site. FraudAid or something like that. She was a major pimp for some scam, but got to be portrayed as a victim. Now she makes a living out of educating victims. Nanci might want to chat with that gal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NikSam View Post
    there is no White Collar crime
    It used to be white collar crime, now the masses the taste for it as well. You got an epidemic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finix View Post
    Nanci is poor too? Wow. Do you have a link to court documents?
    I knew I had something on this in the file but never found the time to fully source it. [Link]

    I wanted to find any link between her chapter 7 bankruptcy and some of the past business dealings she pads her resume with. I mean it isn't like the Chinese stopped buying as much coal as we can ship them it just seems they no longer buy it from Nanci (if they ever did). But sometimes between the momentum of daily events and having a day job, I can't always explore as many dark allies as I like.
    So your prophets of finance have fallen on their collective proverbial face, and you hear muffled voices calling: Welcome to the human race.
    You made a killing dealing real estate at NASA selling cemetery plots in outer space til some falling coffins crashed upon your doorstep: Welcome to the human race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlimDropper View Post
    I knew I had something on this in the file but never found the time to fully source it. [Link]

    I wanted to find any link between her chapter 7 bankruptcy and some of the past business dealings she pads her resume with. I mean it isn't like the Chinese stopped buying as much coal as we can ship them it just seems they no longer buy it from Nanci (if they ever did). But sometimes between the momentum of daily events and having a day job, I can't always explore as many dark allies as I like.
    go read this post, it was by Nanci and explains how she fell for a scheme and got ripped off (she is cardiobeam):
    Ripoff Report | Kevin Anthony Crespo | Complaint Review: 962993

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    Now how ironic is it that she would report this Crespo guy to the local cops and have fbi investigate him and now SHE may be the one that people are calling the cops on to have FBI investigate HER.....

    you couldn't make this stuff up if you tried, LOL

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    They don't call greed one of the deadly sins for nothing. Gotta feel a little sorry for Nanci, though, this is a tight spot PS admins put her in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intheknow View Post
    Now how ironic is it that she would report this Crespo guy to the local cops and have fbi investigate him and now SHE may be the one that people are calling the cops on to have FBI investigate HER.....

    you couldn't make this stuff up if you tried, LOL
    I'm kinda wondering, why is it hard to find any negative info on Mr. Crespo outside of the timeline that Nanci Jo was complaining about him? Toledo OH (Lucas County) court records in his name? I could be overlooking something (or several things) but so far we only seem to have Nanci Jo's side of what I'm sure is an interesting story. I'm not trying to exonerate the man without putting in the legwork (yet) but so far all we have is the word of F.U. Ministries own Nanci Jo Frazer to accuse him. I'll thank in advance anyone proving me wrong but I'm not convinced Nanci got played, wouldn't have been the last time one of Nanci's little games bit her in the ass. Who do you think she'll try to blame for this Profitable Sunrise fiasco?

    Quote Originally Posted by Finix View Post
    They don't call greed one of the deadly sins for nothing. Gotta feel a little sorry for Nanci, though, this is a tight spot PS admins put her in.
    I think we did add a sarcasm smiley for posts like this one. If not tell me and I'll get on it right away.
    So your prophets of finance have fallen on their collective proverbial face, and you hear muffled voices calling: Welcome to the human race.
    You made a killing dealing real estate at NASA selling cemetery plots in outer space til some falling coffins crashed upon your doorstep: Welcome to the human race.

    Open up your heart...

    Welcome to RealScam.com.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlimDropper View Post
    Who do you think she'll try to blame for this Profitable Sunrise fiasco?
    In this particular situation, I'd forget about blaming other people and blame the evil one himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NikSam View Post
    Attachment 3366

    Sorry , it might be inappropriate , so Admins delete this post if i overdid it.

    But to me it looks as a picture of a happy pedophile than a CEO of multimillion London-bridge lending company.

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    From post #1511 in this thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by GlimDropper View Post

    On edit: I'm just waiting for one of the big downline pimps to sooth the angst filled masses with something like:

    I just got an email from Roman. He's very sorry that the server migration is taking longer than expected and will send out an update soon. But the GREAT news is that he assures us that all of our accounts WILL compound while the servers are down. So we're still making money even if we can't see it in our back offices.

    He's such a fine Christian man.

    And now from the MonkeyMakerGroup forum:

    costasD Today, 05:09 PM
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    New MoneyMaker


    Group: Member
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    I quote from another forum:

    'I just got an email from Roman. He's very sorry that the server migration is taking longer than expected and will send out an update soon. But the GREAT news is that he assures us that all of our accounts WILL compound while the servers are down. So we're still making money even if we can't see it in our back offices.

    He's such a fine Christian man. '
    Hey, I just got a new update from Nanci Jo and all of the other big downline pimps:

    We have fresh news from Roman. As sensitive a man as he is, he's been facing a spiritual crises ever since the time that more than twenty separate legal jurisdictions have issued warnings against Pro Sun. He's been examining his life and his life's work and our Lord has granted him the gift of insight. He has seen that our Lord has made a temple of his soul and after deep meditation on the book of Matthew chapter 21 verses 12 and 13 Roman has chosen to drive the money changers from the temple of his soul. In keeping with his new found spiritual insight Roman has given all of his assets, and all of ours to a poverty stricken yet strikingly beautiful young woman in the Nevis Islands and will live out the rest of his life in prayer and supplication on a white sand beach on that island with her. The last we saw of him he was flicking a miniature umbrella out of his tropical drink and telling us to never give up our faith.

    There is no update on server migration at this time.
    Quote THAT Costas.
    So your prophets of finance have fallen on their collective proverbial face, and you hear muffled voices calling: Welcome to the human race.
    You made a killing dealing real estate at NASA selling cemetery plots in outer space til some falling coffins crashed upon your doorstep: Welcome to the human race.

    Open up your heart...

    Welcome to RealScam.com.

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    And it continues with 'Amanda's' sweet talk...playing the 'innocent' one...

    CS says:
    March 15, 2013 at 11:32 am
    USING LOGIC IF I WERE TO NEED TO CLOSE DOWN MY SITE THAT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE LOOK TO EVERY DAY TO TRACK THIER PARTICIPATION AND THEIR BENEFITS I WOULD MOST DEFINITLY LET THESE PEOPLE KNOW WELL IN ADVANCE WHAT I WAS DOING SO AS NOT TO CAUSE ANY PANICK!!! WITH THIS NOTHING NOT EVEN A EMAIL TO ALL THE PARTICIPANTS WHICH HE IS CAPABABLE OF DOING ALA HIS EMAIL ABOUT A MONTH AGO!!! NOT REAL HAPPY RIGHT NOW!!! THE EXCUSE THAT THE SEC RULED IT A SECURITY IS VERY FLIMSY IT IS NOT A SECURITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE SHALL SEE!!!! IF NANCI JO AND THE OTHERS ARE AS GOOD A JUDGE OF CHARACTER AS THEY THOUHGT I INCLUDE MYSELF AS WHEN I LISTENED TO HIS 1 HOUR INTERVIEW I WAS SOLD ON HIS COMPANY MODEL AND THAT HE WAS ACTUALLY DOING IT!! IT MAY BE EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE SAYING BUT LOGIC TELLS ANOTHER STORY!!
    Hmmmn...an unhappy camper in the PS saga...Let's see, will Amanda tell the truth or will she...let's just see...

    Amanda says:
    March 17, 2013 at 12:40 am
    @CS. I have a feeling that with the site taken down the email server for PS isnít functional and MASS emails cannot be sentÖIMHO
    I believe there are Facebook updates but I havenít looked for them.
    She always has 'feelings' when hyips hit the dirt...quite the monitor you are there, 'Mandy...'You believe there may be updates, but YOU haven't looked for them??'....Yeah, I'd like to be 'following' your recommendations....NOT

    Cherry says:
    March 16, 2013 at 6:05 am
    IMHO itís gone. Itís nearly Easter with the huge payouts that will need to be made to those that got into the ĎLong Haulí offerÖ More and more US states are issuing warnings and cease and desists Ė I think we can safely say goodbye to PS. I hope Iím proved wrong, but in my heart I have to say I donít think I will be.

    Good luck everybody!
    Well, at least 'Cherry' seems to be sort of half sensible...now let's see about 'Mandy...

    Amanda says:
    March 17, 2013 at 12:32 am
    @Cherry. Iíll give him until Monday on the server move (they donít pay on weekends anyhow).
    I know they have issued them but itís a very strange thing
    ó there were no complaints from members. How can members complain when everyone has been paid each and every day. I have a very strange feeling that our naysayers (you know the ones who say they are trying to protect all of you, but who gets hurt in the end? You, of course) pointed the NC Attorney General to the affiliate adsÖand then the AG began investigating those that placed them. I believe almost all of the others have only issued WARNINGS since they have no formal complaints (one of the States said there was no C & D because they had NO complaint.
    Good luck to you too, Cherry.
    Aah yes, keep playing it up 'Amanda'....Blame the 'naysayers'....never take responsibility for pimping scams...BTW Amanda knows the game, but she will play stupid for ever and a day as long as it keeps her outta the slammer and the ref comms comin in...

    Uzair says:
    March 16, 2013 at 9:14 am
    This website will open when??
    Amanda says:
    March 17, 2013 at 12:20 am
    @Uzair. According to Roman, the admin, as soon as the new server has been enabled. If we donít see it by Monday then we definitely have a problem.
    Ahahah...By Monday there will be a problem?? I can guarantee all of you that 'Mandy and all her cohorts/players got theirs out long before....and as for you who are stuck with nothing....too bad so sad according to Amanda and Deborah and all others...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nancetta View Post
    And it continues with 'Amanda's' sweet talk...playing the 'innocent' one...


    Hmmmn...an unhappy camper in the PS saga...Let's see, will Amanda tell the truth or will she...let's just see...


    She always has 'feelings' when hyips hit the dirt...quite the monitor you are there, 'Mandy...'You believe there may be updates, but YOU haven't looked for them??'....Yeah, I'd like to be 'following' your recommendations....NOT



    Well, at least 'Cherry' seems to be sort of half sensible...now let's see about 'Mandy...



    Aah yes, keep playing it up 'Amanda'....Blame the 'naysayers'....never take responsibility for pimping scams...BTW Amanda knows the game, but she will play stupid for ever and a day as long as it keeps her outta the slammer and the ref comms comin in...



    Ahahah...By Monday there will be a problem?? I can guarantee all of you that 'Mandy and all her cohorts/players got theirs out long before....and as for you who are stuck with nothing....too bad so sad according to Amanda and Deborah and all others...
    amazing how much pull alleged naysayers have to bring down a 'legitimate' company.

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    There's "staying positive" and then there's "absolute denial"



    Profitable Sunrise thread, MMG HYIP ponzi forum
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

    Is anyone still not convinced that Profitable Sunrise is a SCAM?

    Nanci Jo Fraser, still resistant to the long arm of the law, has an alias organization: NJF Global . he site has a "PRIVACY" login that leads to a form (a Google Spreadsheet application) most likely to screen visitors and HARVEST new affiliate information. She changes her appearance, even having blond hair in her other videos for other organizations she has been involved with. Apparently she has file foe bankruptcy recently and has a few "Non Profits". Nanci Jo seems to be a shady and strange character indeed who loved to seek out vulnerable "Christians".

    Roman Novak seems to have issues a statement, in a Profitable Sunrise Facebook page, that they will be opening up a NEW SERVER at a new location and they have a time clock countdown. Internet and skype chatter seem to confirm this notion as the "KOOL=AID" drinkers are uniting forces. The off thing is that most of them now that many government agencies across multiple countries have issues warnings and cease and desist orders. They seem to still all believe in Roman and Nanci Jo. This is the weirdest thing I have ever seen. The followers seem to be trained with quips and puns for attacks on those who dare to share the facts. They blame past companies falling such as ZEEK REWARDS on government corruption and banking conspiracies. So dad and pathetic.. that they can brainwash these people.

    UPDATES:
    March 16, 2013 11:22 am - Top Profitable Sunrise promoter Nanci Jo Frazer defies cease and desist orders by continuing to market the opportunity on her website. Additionally, she continues to tout the future viability of Profitable Sunrise to her followers suggesting that Roman Novak's website will be back online soon. Some of her followers are now posting in the forums that the Profitable Sunrise website is being moved to China (Hong Kong) to avoid U.S. jurisdiction.

    March 15- List of provinces, states, and countries issuing warnings or cease and desist orders: Ohio, Florida, Wisconsin, Nevada, Minnesota, California, Indiana, New Mexico, Texas, Delaware, North Dakota, South Dakota, Alabama, North Carolina, South Carolina, Alaska, Maryland, New Brunswick, Quebec, Ontario, British Columbia, Alberta, New Zealand, and United Kingdom. More on the way! The feds are sure to follow.

    Regulators in Minnesota, joining counterparts in several states and Canada, have ordered an Internet-based investment enterprise to stop fleecing clients with promises of quick, astronomical returns. The state Commerce Department announced Thursday that Profitable Sunrise is “operating an Internet scheme to defraud investors.” The department added that two Twin Cities men, Chad Nilsson and Casey Dorion, were soliciting would-be investors even though they are not licensed to sell securities in the state.

    Articles suggest that promoters of Profitable Sunrise being served subpoenas by law enforcement!

    Server address of Profitable Sunrise servers may be traced to Montreal
    Among the many lies, Profitable Sunrise followers have implied in their videos and their blogs that Financial Guru Dave Ramsey endorsed the company. Dave seems angered by this and not only denies it, he is calling it a scam. Picture of his post: CLICK HERE

    This a very good video on the SCAM and the updates!! Check It Out!


    Let's see if they can pull off a "Miracle"!
    Last edited by littleroundman; 03-17-2013 at 04:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NikSam View Post
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    Sorry , it might be inappropriate , so Admins delete this post if i overdid it.

    But to me it looks as a picture of a happy pedophile than a CEO of multimillion London-bridge lending company.
    That's what I said to Mrs Okosh when we seen a pic of the new pope on the news......
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    Here is how PS looked in January 2012 in its begining:
    PS_JAN2012.jpg

    Have fun with the wayback machine: http://web.archive.org/web/201201060....com/index.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlimDropper View Post
    I wanted to find any link between her chapter 7 bankruptcy and some of the past business dealings she pads her resume with. I mean it isn't like the Chinese stopped buying as much coal as we can ship them it just seems they no longer buy it from Nanci (if they ever did). But sometimes between the momentum of daily events and having a day job, I can't always explore as many dark allies as I like.
    You ought to come over to Quatloos more often, GD. We specialize in providing dark allies. Between webhick's inexhaustible supply of interns and the high-level Illuminati we provide to supervise them, Q is your source nonpareil for dark allies.

    Oh, you mean "dark alleys". Never mind.

    Anyway . . . as to Nancy Jo Frazer. She didn't think that her bankruptcy (docket 10-33728, OHND) had anything to do with past business dealings either. The petition shows this in a couple of ways. First of all, on the very first page, she checks the box that says "Debts are primarily consumer debts, defined in 11 U.S.C. ß 101(8) as "incurred by an individual primarily for a personal, family, or household purpose" as opposed to the box for business debts. Second, if she did get stiffed by someone who owed her money from business dealings, that debt to her ought to be listed as an asset, even if uncollectible; it isn't. Third, virtually all of her unsecured debt is credit card - about $150K.

    And, of course, she lists no income at all from any online activities. That's $0.00. Make of that what you will, but it surely seems that she is lying to either the Court or the masses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregg View Post
    Or maybe you're just lying about it, too.

    Oh, wait, you can't put anything on the internet if it's not true....

    Well, point is that i have NO reason for lying..I just gave some info that i know..Maybe you can do something better with it then just say someone is lying because it sounds not like you wanna hear.. I expected you would say i am probably lying because your story ends here. and you just can't have that.. Typical..

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    Quote Originally Posted by NikSam View Post
    Sure PM me your mom contact details, if she claimed she knew the guys , worth checking out, hope your mom is willing to testify.
    We will see what those Novak's will have to say about their involvement with the Ponzi scheme.
    And how she can even connect them to PS in her head if she does not use internet?
    Testify for what?? She just worked with him for some time (20 years ago) in another branche that have nothing to do with ponzi's, there wasn't even internet..she just gave some info of Roman what corresponds with the info on the website, thats all, so at this point i knewed this was the Roman she talked about. Is that so hard to understand for you??? connecting PS in her head wtf are you talking about..?? Jeezes..

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