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Property Wikia - fraud on so many levels
So, following a lead on the next big thing being touted around the 'net,, I decided to check out the offerings of PROPERTY WIKIA a UK based "new and unique" property based "opportunity:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...ikiadomain.jpg
Property Wikia describes its' offerings:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...wikiapitch.jpg
In true snoop fashion, I decide to see if this international conglomerate has anything on offer in my region.
LO and BEHOLD, they have,
this one: PropertyWikia - For Sale - Serpentine, west australian, Australia
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...akelisting.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...kelisting2.jpg
Investigating further, I decide to check out if the property is for sale elsewhere,
Wouldn't ya know it, it IS for sale, only this time by a legitimate licensed real estate broker and member of the Real Estate Institute Of Western Australia, R.E.I.W.A here: 899 Elliot Road, Serpentine, WA 6125 - House for Sale #107520302 - realestate.com.au
http://images1.au.reastatic.net/456x...0704124037.jpg
Only this time:
a) the price is AUD $300,000 dollars cheaper @ $1,650,000 instead of the $1,950,000 being claimed by Property Wikia
b) Instead of being the 5 bedroom, 2 bathroom "ranch" being offered by Property Wikia, the property has now become a:
Quote:
Fish / Marron Farm
All the work is done on this 43.41 ha. fish / marron farm.
An immaculate home with granny flat and a freestanding restaurant / functions centre.
c) Instead of the property being
Quote:
Total Size of Grounds267500 m² (2879370 ft²)
as claimed by Property Wikia, it has now become:
Quote:
Land Size:43.41ha (107.27 acres) (approx)
according to the genuine agent.
Can we say "Property Wikia" and its' "associates" are as dumb as a sack full of hammers and can't even steal other peoples' listings accurately ??
Goodness gracious, all we need is for the Property Wikia people to tell prospective buyers they stand to inherit a squillion bucks from a long lost relative who died in a plane crash in Nigeria leaving his fortune to a complete stranger and this would take the cake as most amateur scam of 2011.
Geez, Property Wikia, lift your game.
You're a disgrace to your chosen profession.
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Re: Property Wikia - fraud on so many levels
Yeah...they're really screwed up. I found one in NJ that they're hijacking and they reversed the square footage of the house and property. The house wouldn't fit on the property be their figures. lol. They only boosted the price $20,000 USD.
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I arrived home much too late to go down to the "RightMove" offices in my local HighStreet and ask more about this but I will do this if it is not raining "cats and dogs" tomorrow.
It is obviously nothing to do with the countrywide RightMove chain of estate agents who do sell online. EAT SPECIAL REPORT: Propertywikia website and the mystery of its rich rewards - Estate Agent Today.
Here is an extract from EAT special report.
A property website is making an extraordinary series of ‘get rich quick’ offers, and has ambitions to take over the property listing world. The offers include £100 a week 'compensation' if the property does not sell.
If it decides to challenge Rightmove, Propertywikia already has curious – and no doubt coincidental – links.
For example, when EAT asked about Propertywikia’s ownership, we were told it was owned by the RMV Group. EAT has not been able to trace a company called RMV Group, but a Google search for ‘RMV Group’ comes up with Rightmove Group in top place.
RMV is the ‘ticker’ symbol for Rightmove shares.
There is absolutely no suggestion whatever that Rightmove is in any way connected with Propertywikia.
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How unusual......NOT........
This gentleman, "Terry Cuthbert" is out and about promoting himself as a licensed representative of "Property Wikia" based in New Zealand and as having paid for several territories:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...rycuthbert.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...tredirects.jpg
Funny thing is,
http://www.propertywikia.me redirects to Cash Wikia
and www.propertywikia.co.nz redirects to Sell 12 Weeks
what's more, both of the sites are registered to:
Yep, the very same "Brian Thomas" to whom the Property Wikia domain is registered
One might rightly question whether young Mr "Terry Cuthbert" is not only NOT in New Zealand, but is not even "Terry Cuthbert"
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Re: Property Wikia - fraud on so many levels
This reminds me of another property scam which claimed to be trading from London W1. Offces in that area and Canary Wharf are so expensive that no startup businesses which needed affiliates could even afford space for a plastic coffee cup so they would not have enough space to publish essential information such as registered company number or VAT registration number.
What those of you who were involved with scam.com may find dubious is the fact that all references to it on their noticeboard has been removed. I found this reference to scam.com when I googled. property wika - Google Search
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Re: Property Wikia - fraud on so many levels
Right Move is a huge UK business used by large chains of estate agents to sell properties online. RMV is not anything to do with the Right Move companies. RMV is only the ticker symbol for Right Move shares on the stock exchange. This is Right Move UK site http://www.google.co.uk/search?clien...=Google+Search
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Took some time to find this
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Originally Posted by suspected scammer
A Court order was served on Scam.com to remove all the posts, as they were false and misleading accussations against PropertyWikia.
We did warned the people that made these false posts it would happen and it is great it is all at an end.
PropertyWikia is a Global program that is the biggest program to ever hit the internet.
Helps backup Soapboxmom's statements of fact. lol.
Suspected scammer also wrote this:
Quote:
So the benefits for Vendor/Sellers with PropertyWikia is they save $1000's in unnecessary commissions.
How can that be when the commissions are part of the price and the prices on their hijacked listings is boosted even more?
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Seems this would be a conflict of interest to the opposing downlines.
another one
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Re: Property Wikia - fraud on so many levels
I am going to report this phoney name and address for PropertyWikia which they claim is part of the ( nonexistent?) RMV Group with an address at Level 33, 25 Canada Square,Canary Wharf, E14 5LB, London United Kingdom) and the fact that they have used the Right Move stock exchange ticker symbol to suggest they are part of that organisation, to Crime Stoppers UK, when I have made dinner.
I am not sure if people outside UK can report crimes but here is their web site.
Fight crime - Support the charity Crimestoppers - Most Wanted criminals - Call anonymously - Fraud | Crimestoppers UK
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Originally Posted by
Whip
Took some time to find this
Helps backup Soapboxmom's statements of fact. lol.
Suspected scammer also wrote this:
How can that be when the commissions are part of the price and the prices on their hijacked listings is boosted even more?
I love scammer boy Cuthbert bragging on Scam. If I can post court documents why is that lunkhead not posting the alleged court order? Scam owner George Dranichak often doesn't come on the site for weeks on end. George probably removed the original thread after receiving a threat from a fake lawyer or some incentive.
George tried to bribe me to get the threads about him posted here removed, so I think it is very likely he will remove things from Scam with the right incentive. I take it as you found the new thread, that there never was any court order. One has to file and get an injunction and then attend formal hearing for a final injunction. George is in Canada and the hosting provider is in NJ. I suspect scammer boy like everyone else including sojustask is having a hard time getting any response from George. And, Georgie hasn't even ***** the company's and scammer's names yet. Scammer boy better sweeten the deal quick if he wants George to get off his duff and do something. He looks pretty silly bragging about his court order when that new thread is still there untouched.
I am looking forward to hearing from that clown about this thread. I don't cater to scammers!
Soapboxmom
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Re: Property Wikia - fraud on so many levels
This one's an excellent example of how unwary buyers get caught by fraudsters.
Here we have a listing on Property Wikia: PropertyWikia - For Sale - Airlie Beach, Whitsunday, Australia
showing this house at Muruk crt, AIRLIE BEACH, Queensland, Australia
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...rakpropert.jpg
for sale @ AUD $475,000 with no "right click" allowed on the picture.
NOTE: the palm trees on the left and the "homesonsale" logo in the bottom right of the pic.
s-o-o-o-o
we check on the "HomesOnSale" website: Homes On Sale - 3 Detached, Jubilee Pocket, Airlie Beach, Whitsunday Islands DreamHome - reduced!! buy and sell property online and what do we find ??
You guessed it, the same house:
http://www.homesonsale.co.uk/files/85207.jpg
except this time, the price is AUD $435,000
AND the address is given as 9 Muruk Crt JUBILEE POCKET, Airlie Beach, Queensland
We check further and LO and Behold, 9 Muruk Crt comes up again here: Jubilee Pocket - 9 Muruk Crescent only this time, the property is for rent @ AUD $450 per week and the house has now transmogrified into this:
http://pht.oslsoftware.com/AUGen/pho...01.jpg?372,279
no palm trees here.
BTW, http://WWW.HOMESONSALE.UK is interesting in itself.
Here's its' website domain information:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c.../Gibraltar.jpg
Would YOU send money an to purchase overseas property listed by a Gibraltar based company ????
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Re: Property Wikia - fraud on so many levels
Here is Companies House web site. Companies House
A British company has to list its 1) company registration number. 2) Its VAT registration number. If annual turnover is above 73,000 GBP it must have a VAT number. 3) A registered company office where any member of the public can look at names/addresses of directors and audited accounts.
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Another piece of the jigsaw falls into place:
Here we get this piece of information: Cash Wikia
Quote:
This page is due further updates, please check back soon...
PropertyWikia is the public trading arm of the RMV Group which is a private investment platform and both are 'trading names' of and fully owned by 3iCatalyst.com who are based in London. 3iCatalyst is a partnership and PropertyWikia is a trading name/brand name.
RMV Group is a group of over five thousand strong investors that provide PropertyWikia with its unlimited investor buying power.
3iCatalyst.com is a NO VC (No Venture Capital) incubator that funds, launches and helps run successful companies worldwide. The business handles investments of over £12.5 Billion.
Founded by some of the best business minds in today’s business world, 3iCatalyst strives to develop businesses that have significant potential for high growth and rapid return for investors. PropertyWikia is one such business.
Some of the clients 3iCatalyst participate with, fund or advise include Play.com, BlackBerry, Virgin, flickr, Yahoo, Rio Tinto, easyJet and BP - to name but a few.
Both PropertyWikia and the RMV Group are office based at Canary Wharf in London's Docklands.
and who owns the "CashWikia" website ??
Why, it's our old friend, Brian Thomas:
Still, the find doesn't make the "RMV Group" or "PropertyWikia" or "3icatalyst" any more legal or legitimate.
A search of COMPANIES HOUSE WEBCHECK reveals NO listing for "3icatalyst" and NO listing for "PropertWikia" and NO listing for "RMV group"
C'mon, Mr Brian Thomas, just where are the "RMV Group" or "PropertyWikia" or "3icatalyst" registered ??
Have any of them registered for VAT in the UK ??
Surely a company which claims:
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3i Group plc (LSE: III) is a multinational private equity and venture capital company headquartered in London, United Kingdom. It has offices in 13 countries across Asia, Europe and the Americas and had total assets under management of £12.7 billion as at 31 March 2011.[3][4] It is organised into three investment divisions: Private Equity, Infrastructure and Debt Management.[4]
Now we may be getting somewhere.
Is this the same "3i group plc"
Quote:
Name & Registered Office:
3I GROUP INVESTMENTS GP LIMITED
1ST FLOOR PHOENIX HOUSE
18 KING WILLIAM STREET
LONDON
UNITED KINGDOM
EC4N 7BP
Company No. 03844010
WebCHeck - Select and Access Company Information
or has "Mr Thomas" just borrowed a name just like Propert Wikia "borrows" listings.
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Re: Property Wikia - fraud on so many levels
Quote:
Originally Posted by
littleroundman
and who owns the
"CashWikia" website ??
Why, it's our old friend, Brian Thomas:
[/B]or has "Mr Thomas" just borrowed a name just like Propert Wikia "borrows" listings.
Would you like me to go up to Companies House and get the names addresses of the directors and the last set of audited accounts for you LRM? I have not checked to see whether you can get an electronic copy but I can certainly get them by paying them a visit? I could send them to SBM by snail mail.
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And still PropertyWikia continues stealing legitimate listings: (note the price in the PropertWikia ad, AUD $700,000
Here's another one from PropertyWikias' site: PropertyWikia - For Sale - Upper Coomera, North, Gold Coast-Tweed, South East Queensland, Australia
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...man/stolen.jpg
And here's the real thing, with an asking price of AUD $839,000 http://www.domain.com.au/Property/Fo...did=2008596144
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...alEldersad.jpg
and, from another legitimate agency, also with an asking price of AUD $839,000 http://www.refindhouseprices.com/viewad/7235690/93 Otmoor Road
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...alDomainad.jpg
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Re: Property Wikia - fraud on so many levels
Quote:
Originally Posted by
path2prosperity
Would you like me to go up to Companies House and get the names addresses of the directors and the last set of audited accounts for you LRM? I have not checked to see whether you can get an electronic copy but I can certainly get them by paying them a visit? I could send them to SBM by snail mail.
Done, Judy.
Thanks for the offer, though.
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Propertywikia affiliates guilty of abusing a good system thats all
Quote:
Originally Posted by
littleroundman
So, following a lead on the next big thing being touted around the 'net,, I decided to check out the offerings of
PROPERTY WIKIA a UK based "new and unique" property based "opportunity:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...ikiadomain.jpg
Property Wikia describes its' offerings:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...wikiapitch.jpg
In true snoop fashion, I decide to see if this international conglomerate has anything on offer in my region.
LO and BEHOLD, they have,
this one:
PropertyWikia - For Sale - Serpentine, west australian, Australia
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...akelisting.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...kelisting2.jpg
Investigating further, I decide to check out if the property is for sale elsewhere,
Wouldn't ya know it, it IS for sale, only this time by a legitimate licensed real estate broker and member of the Real Estate Institute Of Western Australia, R.E.I.W.A here:
899 Elliot Road, Serpentine, WA 6125 - House for Sale #107520302 - realestate.com.au
http://images1.au.reastatic.net/456x...0704124037.jpg
Only this time:
a) the price is AUD $300,000 dollars cheaper @ $1,650,000 instead of the $1,950,000 being claimed by Property Wikia
b) Instead of being the 5 bedroom, 2 bathroom "ranch" being offered by Property Wikia, the property has now become a:
c) Instead of the property being as claimed by Property Wikia, it has now become: according to the genuine agent.
Can we say "Property Wikia" and its' "associates" are as dumb as a sack full of hammers and can't even steal other peoples' listings accurately ??
Goodness gracious, all we need is for the Property Wikia people to tell prospective buyers they stand to inherit a squillion bucks from a long lost relative who died in a plane crash in Nigeria leaving his fortune to a complete stranger and this would take the cake as most amateur scam of 2011.
Geez, Property Wikia, lift your game.
You're a disgrace to your chosen profession.
This is down to poor agents/affiliates lisiting poorly, as far as i can see.
so the company is balh balh blah blah who cares, IF!! its not legit, it will be found out and shut down by end of next tax year 2012. In the mean time all press is advertising whether good or bad so while you dis the company it makes more money from the hits at its site and the intrigue it causes. remember facebook and google and ebay being judged a joke, ebid....... i could go on. If someone said in 1980 that people would run businesses on the net we would be laughed out of town, well steve Jobs RIP and Bill gates knew otherwise legends!!.
So here we are guys
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WOW,
now THAT'S a lesson in spin doctoring, if I ever saw one.
Someone thought Facebook and Google "were a joke" and that makes it somehow OK for Property Wikia to steal money from people.
A company allows its' own website to display inaccurate and misleading real estate listings, and it's down to "poor agents and affiliates"
R--I--G--H--T !
We shouldn't worry because "if PropertyWikia" is a fraud, it will be "found out and shut down by end of next tax year 2012"
Let me see:
It's now October, 2011.
The "end of the next tax year" by my reckoning, would be June 30, 2012.
That would be....ummm.......1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8 months.
Oh, that's all right then, only 8 months, how much damage could a fraudster do in 8 months, after all.
How excellent.
Good luck with THAT sort of philosophy, g3no.
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Don't you people have anything better to do than sit on your computers in the hopes of finding scams? I just read all of the above comments. There are so many inaccuracies. For example, the seller lists the properties themselves, not the affiliate. So any mistakes or faults in the listing is the owners'. That a property is listed in multiple places is common. Especially difficult-to-sell properties have been listed for months with possibly several different agents trying to find a buyer. You are discussing things you don't have first-hand knowledge of and show your own ignorance by participating in such a forum. "He that answers a matter, before he hears it, is not wise"> Proverbs 18:13. Nobody is getting scammed, as the buyers and the sellers pay no commission. They are both receiving benefits at no cost to themselves. People's domains are pointed to the company domain, cash wikia. All of this is nonsense. Go find something productive to do and leave those who want to pursue something they believe in alone.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
youridealbody.us
Don't you people have anything better to do than sit on your computers in the hopes of finding scams? I just read all of the above comments. There are so many inaccuracies. For example, the seller lists the properties themselves, not the affiliate. So any mistakes or faults in the listing is the owners'. That a property is listed in multiple places is common. Especially difficult-to-sell properties have been listed for months with possibly several different agents trying to find a buyer. You are discussing things you don't have first-hand knowledge of and show your own ignorance by participating in such a forum. "He that answers a matter, before he hears it, is not wise"> Proverbs 18:13. Nobody is getting scammed, as the buyers and the sellers pay no commission. They are both receiving benefits at no cost to themselves. People's domains are pointed to the company domain, cash wikia. All of this is nonsense. Go find something productive to do and leave those who want to pursue something they believe in alone.
What absolute, arrant nonsense.
Biblical quotations in defense of a scam ??
Gimme a break.
The seller lists the properties ???
What are you, an absolute beginner with no knowledge of the real estate industry ??
The buyers and sellers pay no commission ???
Geez, admission of the fraudulent nature of Property Wikia, much ???
What are you saying, an eccentric millionaire pays the buyer and the seller out of the goodness of his heart ??
Quote:
leave those who want to pursue something they believe in alone.
You ARE being left alone.
Don't like it ???
Don't read it,
simple.
Disagree with what's being said ??
Show us some licenses,
provide some documentation,
point us to PropertyWikias' VAT registration, and/or Companies House listing.
Show us just a lazy few mill. of the hundreds of millions of pounds of assets PropertWikia claims to have.
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Wow. You couldn't get past 3 sentances without lying.
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Originally Posted by
youridealbody.us
Don't you people have anything better to do than sit on your computers in the hopes of finding scams?
Sure we do. So what?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
youridealbody.us
I just read all of the above comments.
Don't you have anything better to do? lol.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
youridealbody.us
There are so many inaccuracies. For example, the seller lists the properties themselves, not the affiliate.
Lie. Are you going to try and tell us that the owner is really going to screw up their own listing? And shoot themselves in the foot by boosting the prices for no reason?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
youridealbody.us
So any mistakes or faults in the listing is the owners'.
Lie.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
youridealbody.us
That a property is listed in multiple places is common.
No, being listed in multiple legitimate places is common.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
youridealbody.us
Especially difficult-to-sell properties have been listed for months with possibly several different agents trying to find a buyer.
Who says/determines what is 'difficult to sell'?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
youridealbody.us
You are discussing things you don't have first-hand knowledge of and show your own ignorance by participating in such a forum.
Really? Are you trying to say a real realtor would not know what is going on?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
youridealbody.us
"He that answers a matter, before he hears it, is not wise"> Proverbs 18:13.
And yet, here you are answering.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
youridealbody.us
Nobody is getting scammed, as the buyers and the sellers pay no commission.
Really? Then why the need to boost the prices? Why should any buyer pay your inflated prices when they can get it cheaper at a legitmate realtor? A real realtors commission is already in the lower, legitimate listing price. That means you scammers should be a lower price than that if what you say is even remotely true.
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Originally Posted by
youridealbody.us
They are both receiving benefits at no cost to themselves.
No they are not.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
youridealbody.us
People's domains are pointed to the company domain, cash wikia. All of this is nonsense.
I agree the wikia hijacking listings and boosting the prices is ridiculous.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
youridealbody.us
Go find something productive to do and leave those who want to pursue something they believe in alone.
And we do.
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With regard to the property mentioned in the 1st post of this thread, as a paid up affiliate of PW (still deciding whether I have made the right choice) I decided to test the system and report the discrepancy in pricing between PWs listing and RealEstate.com.au.
The property listing was immediately suspended, pending the owners response to my report. Will keep a close eye on that and see if it gets re-listed, with corrections.
Thanks to all previous posters for your insights on this intriguing operation known as PropertyWikia.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
aussiegold
With regard to the property mentioned in the 1st post of this thread, as a paid up affiliate of PW (still deciding whether I have made the right choice) I decided to test the system and report the discrepancy in pricing between PWs listing and RealEstate.com.au.
The property listing was immediately suspended, pending the owners response to my report. Will keep a close eye on that and see if it gets re-listed, with corrections.
Thanks to all previous posters for your insights on this intriguing operation known as PropertyWikia.
Welcome to REALSCAM.com aussiegold, and congratulations on deciding to do some homework.
As an aside,
do you really think the "owner" of the property simply forgot to mention the property in question included
Quote:
Fish / Marron Farm
All the work is done on this 43.41 ha. fish / marron farm.
An immaculate home with granny flat and a freestanding restaurant / functions centre.
Maybe it's just me, but it stretches the bounds of credibility for PropertyWikia to claim the discrepancy/ies are the fault of the owner.
1) the price is inaccurate
2) the description is inaccurate
3) the area is inaccurate
4) the fact the property is a fish/marron farm WITH a granny flat AND a freestanding restaurant/function center was totally missing from the PropertyWikia site
Does anybody REALLY believe the owner of a property valued at in excess of $1.65 million bucks simply forgot to mention such vital information ??
IM(very)HO like most well thought out frauds, the devil is in the detail and it will be a number of small details which eventually bring down Property Wikia and similar real estate listing scams.
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How do you even know you contacted the real owners of the property? My money is on the real owners not even knowing it's listed there. I'm sure the only people you contacted are the scammers themselves.
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Re: Property Wikia - fraud on so many levels
Whip, I never claimed that I contacted the owner, or anybody else for that matter.
On every listing you will find a link to contact the owner, but you must register as a buyer 1st. I chose not to.
Just above the "contact owner" link is a button saying "report listing". This I did, and the property listing was suspended immediately, obviously without any human intervention. I presume the system has sent an email to the person responsible for the listing, notifying them of my report. As I stated above, I will keep a lookout for that property being re-listed.
My thoughts are that this was probably what PW call a PAL(partial area listing). This can be done by an affiliate, but only for properties within their HQ (area selected at signup). The affiliate MUST provide contact details of the owner, and if applicable, the agent. The PW system then advises the owner that their property has been listed, and provides them login details for them to confirm/edit/delete the listing. It is NOT a valid listing (for the purposes of earning the affiliate commission) until verified by the owner.
I am not making a stand for PW here, just sharing my limited understanding of how the website works. I have not listed any properties on my affiliate account at this time. I, like many, are still on the fence with this one. Time will tell.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
aussiegold
Whip, I never claimed that I contacted the owner, or anybody else for that matter.
On every listing you will find a link to contact the owner, but you must register as a buyer 1st. I chose not to.
Just above the "contact owner" link is a button saying "report listing". This I did, and the property listing was suspended immediately, obviously without any human intervention. I presume the system has sent an email to the person responsible for the listing, notifying them of my report. As I stated above, I will keep a lookout for that property being re-listed.
My thoughts are that this was probably what PW call a PAL(partial area listing). This can be done by an affiliate, but only for properties within their HQ (area selected at signup). The affiliate MUST provide contact details of the owner, and if applicable, the agent. The PW system then advises the owner that their property has been listed, and provides them login details for them to confirm/edit/delete the listing. It is NOT a valid listing (for the purposes of earning the affiliate commission) until verified by the owner.
I am not making a stand for PW here, just sharing my limited understanding of how the website works. I have not listed any properties on my affiliate account at this time. I, like many, are still on the fence with this one. Time will tell.
Certainly seems that you are. You're taking everything they're apparently telling you as gospel. I can guarantee that the owners have no idea their listings from legitimate sites are being as butchered as they are when added to the scam site. And I guarantee you the real owners are not the ones doing it as alluded to by the other scammer. It's clear as day to see.
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Quote:
The PW system then advises the owner that their property has been listed, and provides them login details for them to confirm/edit/delete the listing.
OR:
steals a legitimate listing for a property in some out of the way location, where the legitimate owner is unlikely to be looking at the Property Wikia site.
You're in Oz, aussiegold, have a check of the Australian listings on the Property Wikia site and see is something odd strikes you about the listings.
"odd" that is, to someone with a knowledge of Australia, but "not so odd" to someone overseas who thinks that "Australia" is next to Germany.
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Here's a clue as to what I think is happening with Property Wikia.
So,
there's a guy, 65 year old Arthur Snodgrass who's worked for the same produce company for 50 years.
Every night for 50 years, just like clockwork, Arthur presented at the security checkout gate with a bale of hay on his wheelbarrow.
And, every night, just like clockwork, the security guard would check Arthurs' receipt and verify, yes, Arthur had paid for his hay.
For 50 years Arthur never missed a day of work,
For 50 years, he trudged out through the gates with his bale of hay.
Then, when he turned 65, Arthur retired.
They gave him a gold watch, and the Chairman of the board made mention of Arthurs' honesty in paying for every bale of straw he'd taken home over the 50 years.
It was only after Arthur had been retired for 6 months and moved to Bali, they discovered Arthur HAD been stealing.
In fact, every single day for 50 years,
Arthur had stolen:
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.a wheelbarrow.
My tip is:
don't look over there where Property Wikia/Arthur WANTS you to look,
at the stolen listing/bale of hay,
look over here at the £109 wheelbarrow
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Re: Property Wikia - fraud on so many levels
Oh Dear,
This explains it all.
The Property Wikia spruiker who has been posting all over the 'net is Mr Terry Cuthbert
Here he is advertising his "Unlimited Recruiting" business on Facebook: http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile...550_3549_n.jpg www.terrycuthbert.com | Facebook
Here he is in his "PropertyWikia" New Zealand official representative guise: http://www.scam.com/image.php?u=1815...ine=1315775395
and,
SURPRISE, SURPRISE, (not)
Here's his website promoting his "turn $69 into $2000" 2 X 2 cycler B/S opportunity: 2000LifeTime : Home Page
http://lifetimeprograms.files.wordpr...me_header3.jpg
and his Wordpress blog doing the same: lifetimeprograms | Lifetime Programs By Terry Cuthbert
Quote:
lifetimeprograms
Lifetime Programs By Terry Cuthbert
IOW,
Mr Cuthbert is just ANOTHER one of those shady characters who make up much of the world of internet "opportunities" industry.
Fraudulent real estate listings and no-product 2 X 2 money games.
Doesn't take a genius to work out the risks of being involved with this sort of person, does it ??
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Re: Property Wikia - fraud on so many levels
If readers are not yet convinced to be very, very careful in dealing with Property Wikia and/or Mr Terry Cuthbert.
Have a peek at what is likely to happen if you inadvertently cross the self professed New Zealand based "internet marketer" and Property Wikia "affiliate" Terry Cuthbert:
WARNING: DO NOT CLICK ON "PLAY" IF YOU ARE EASILY OFFENDED OR OF GENTLE NATURE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...;v=oYqm5msW7m0
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Re: Property Wikia - fraud on so many levels
Quote:
Originally Posted by
littleroundman
Hi everyone I just was directed to this site as some thought it only fair and reasonable I have a say. People have posted that I am not a real person. I just registered with username terrycythbert I made a spelling mistake it should be terrycuthbert. lol
I am not here to argue or debate as people have their views but I am disturbed people feel it their right to make up propoganda to mislead others.
I own the New Zealand HQ areas in PropertyWikia which does not prevent others promoting property in New Zealand it just gives me an over ride commission on e ery listing.
I have read the posts here and there are alot of issues to cover but my main point is to say I am a real person and only an affiliate of PropertyWikia.
Realtors/Vendors can list their properties for FREE so it is at no cost.
There are secruity checks every 72 hours that Relators/Vendors must answer to legitimize their listing
FRAUDULENT LISTINGS are an issue and yes people try to make a fast buck (they think) but are being found out quickly via the security checks.
My Realtors even listed propertied incorrectly and to dwelling size, rooms, land area and price etc so these are being corrected.
It takes over 30 minutes to list a property so it isnt a quick job to transfer Realtors current listings into PropertyWikia.
Yes there are fake listings from scammers looking for a quick buck but these are just opportunists taking advantage of the opportunity, to try and
get deposits from innocent investors. The Security Checks sort this out fast.
I am available to answer questions sp please Skype - terrycuthbert
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Re: Property Wikia - fraud on so many levels
Quote:
Originally Posted by
littleroundman
So, following a lead on the next big thing being touted around the 'net,, I decided to check out the offerings of
PROPERTY WIKIA a UK based "new and unique" property based "opportunity:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...ikiadomain.jpg
Property Wikia describes its' offerings:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...wikiapitch.jpg
In true snoop fashion, I decide to see if this international conglomerate has anything on offer in my region.
LO and BEHOLD, they have,
this one:
PropertyWikia - For Sale - Serpentine, west australian, Australia
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...akelisting.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...kelisting2.jpg
Investigating further, I decide to check out if the property is for sale elsewhere,
Wouldn't ya know it, it IS for sale, only this time by a legitimate licensed real estate broker and member of the Real Estate Institute Of Western Australia, R.E.I.W.A here:
899 Elliot Road, Serpentine, WA 6125 - House for Sale #107520302 - realestate.com.au
http://images1.au.reastatic.net/456x...0704124037.jpg
Only this time:
a) the price is AUD $300,000 dollars cheaper @ $1,650,000 instead of the $1,950,000 being claimed by Property Wikia
b) Instead of being the 5 bedroom, 2 bathroom "ranch" being offered by Property Wikia, the property has now become a:
c) Instead of the property being as claimed by Property Wikia, it has now become: according to the genuine agent.
Can we say "Property Wikia" and its' "associates" are as dumb as a sack full of hammers and can't even steal other peoples' listings accurately ??
Goodness gracious, all we need is for the Property Wikia people to tell prospective buyers they stand to inherit a squillion bucks from a long lost relative who died in a plane crash in Nigeria leaving his fortune to a complete stranger and this would take the cake as most amateur scam of 2011.
Geez, Property Wikia, lift your game.
You're a disgrace to your chosen profession.
PropertyWikia doesnt oversea the listing price they only advertise for FREE. It is up to the Realtor to add the correct information for all to see.
PropertyWikia will address the issue as they do the due diligence to legitimise the listing over the 12 week period when they introduce the
property t the investors they farm them out to.
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Re: Property Wikia - fraud on so many levels
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Soapboxmom
I love scammer boy Cuthbert bragging on Scam. If I can post court documents why is that lunkhead not posting the alleged court order? Scam owner George Dranichak often doesn't come on the site for weeks on end. George probably removed the original thread after receiving a threat from a fake lawyer or some incentive.
George tried to bribe me to get the threads about him posted here removed, so I think it is very likely he will remove things from Scam with the right incentive. I take it as you found the new thread, that there never was any court order. One has to file and get an injunction and then attend formal hearing for a final injunction. George is in Canada and the hosting provider is in NJ. I suspect scammer boy like everyone else including sojustask is having a hard time getting any response from George. And, Georgie hasn't even ***** the company's and scammer's names yet. Scammer boy better sweeten the deal quick if he wants George to get off his duff and do something. He looks pretty silly bragging about his court order when that new thread is still there untouched.
I am looking forward to hearing from that clown about this thread. I don't cater to scammers!
Soapboxmom
LOL the court order did remove the scam.com posts and all you guys did was restart them so we all know PropertyWikia did go to court and the first time every scam.com removed posts. So these guys formed another ID or username and Scam.com and started the threads over again it is just typical of inexperienced network marketers crying Wolf.
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Re: Property Wikia - fraud on so many levels
Quote:
Originally Posted by
littleroundman
Interesting you say SCAMMER but havent actually shown proof of anyone that has been scammed? It does help to not be a people hater as the above people are and show hard core evidence of innocent people that have legitimately lost money. Isnt this website about that? So to personally attack me is steeping to low levels when you have no evidence and I welcome you to post it if you have any.
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Re: Property Wikia - fraud on so many levels
Welcome Mr. Cuthbert. Just give me the word and I will correct the spelling of your name.
If Scam.com got a court order they are certainly not complying with it. George could easily go in the admin panel and **** out anything that is prohibited from being posted so that it will not Google up until he can remove them of course. There is a very long thread with over 100 posts that was started on September 21st. Why are you posting on it and not reporting it to George and his flunkies immediately?
Not to mention your ridiculous signature over there. I would have called you on that and banned your butt for that monstrosity.
Why don't you post the court order? That would show us the case number and parties, so that I could access all of the documents and confirm your story. This site is set up to handle very large PDFs and you will find it easy to put documents up here.
Soapboxmom
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Re: Property Wikia - fraud on so many levels
Quote:
Originally Posted by
terrycythbert
Interesting you say SCAMMER but havent actually shown proof of anyone that has been scammed? It does help to not be a people hater as the above people are and show hard core evidence of innocent people that have legitimately lost money. Isnt this website about that? So to personally attack me is steeping to low levels when you have no evidence and I welcome you to post it if you have any.
Nice attempt at transferring the focus, Terry.
Close, but no cigar.
YOU and Property Wikia are the ones asking for money.
YOU provide the "proof"
Exactly what is it you mean by "legitimately lost money" ??
Is there some sort of "illegitimate" way people will lose money ?
Should we wait until you and Property Wikia have run away with the cash before we comment ??
2 X 2 cyclers are suddenly "legal" and not money games ??
Lots of bluff and bluster coming out of the 'Property Wikia and/or its' "affiliate" Terry Cuthbert and not a lot of proof of ANY of their claims.
Oh, and by "not a lot" I actually mean "none" as in: zip, zero, zilch, nil, none, nada.
ALL of the information posted here is from the public domain.
NONE of it is privileged or illegally obtained.
In fact, most of it has been posted either by you or Property Wikia itself.
Don't blame us, you put it out there, you remove it.
As my sainted old mum used to say:
"Be sure your sins will find you out"
The days of you being able to hide away in some far off corner of the 'net playing silly money games and ripping off the unwary are over.
Google has you by the short and curlies, now, and forever.
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Re: Property Wikia - fraud on so many levels
Quote:
Originally Posted by
littleroundman
Nice attempt at transferring the focus, Terry.
Close, but no cigar.
YOU and Property Wikia are the ones asking for money.
YOU provide the "proof"
Exactly what is it you mean by "legitimately lost money" ??
Is there some sort of "illegitimate" way people will lose money ?
Should we wait until you and Property Wikia have run away with the cash before we comment ??
2 X 2 cyclers are suddenly "legal" and not money games ??
Lots of bluff and bluster coming out of the 'Property Wikia and/or its' "affiliate" Terry Cuthbert and not a lot of proof of ANY of their claims.
Oh, and by "not a lot" I actually mean "none" as in: zip, zero, zilch, nil, none, nada.
ALL of the information posted here is from the public domain.
NONE of it is privileged or illegally obtained.
In fact, most of it has been posted either by you or Property Wikia itself.
Don't blame us, you put it out there, you remove it.
As my sainted old mum used to say:
"Be sure your sins will find you out"
The days of you being able to hide away in some far off corner of the 'net playing silly money games and ripping off the unwary are over.
Google has you by the short and curlies, now, and forever.
You have no proof of any wrong doing it is people like you that delibrately make it your life to ruin people. It seems like a personal crusade.
Come clean with any real evidence of your evil attempts to tarnish my reputation as people only see your vane attempts that are unsubstantialed just hearsay.
So table conclusive evidence or stop your personal atttacks as this is pretty swallow.
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Re: Property Wikia - fraud on so many levels
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Soapboxmom
Welcome Mr. Cuthbert. Just give me the word and I will correct the spelling of your name.
If Scam.com got a court order they are certainly not complying with it. George could easily go in the admin panel and **** out anything that is prohibited from being posted so that it will not Google up until he can remove them of course. There is a very long thread with over 100 posts that was started on September 21st. Why are you posting on it and not reporting it to George and his flunkies immediately?
Not to mention your ridiculous signature over there. I would have called you on that and banned your butt for that monstrosity.
Why don't you post the court order? That would show us the case number and parties, so that I could access all of the documents and confirm your story. This site is set up to handle very large PDFs and you will find it easy to put documents up here.
Soapboxmom
Yrs contact GEORGE if you are making threats as it is admins responsibility to approve signatures. Please ue your power of influence to change what you see fit. Stop your sad attempts at rocking my boat as it is tedious.
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Re: Property Wikia - fraud on so many levels
Quote:
Originally Posted by
terrycythbert
You have no proof of any wrong doing it is people like you that delibrately make it your life to ruin people. It seems like a personal crusade.
Come clean with any real evidence of your evil attempts to tarnish my reputation as people only see your vane attempts that are unsubstantialed just hearsay.
So table conclusive evidence or stop your personal atttacks as this is pretty swallow.
Personal ??
No way,
I don't know you, nor do I care to.
You're just one of a squillion low level fraudsters who inhabit the internet in 2011.
Facts are facts,
2 X 2 cyclers are illegal
Property Wikia is not as it seems.
Both you and "Property Wikia" decided to operate in the public domain,
not me, not REALSCAM.com
You want to make money on the 'net ??
Come clean, provide the proof of the claims you're making, otherwise what you're saying is just froth and bubble.
IOW, put up or shut up.
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Re: Property Wikia - fraud on so many levels
Quote:
Originally Posted by
terrycythbert
LOL the court order did remove the scam.com posts and all you guys did was restart them so we all know PropertyWikia did go to court and the first time every scam.com removed posts. So these guys formed another ID or username and Scam.com and started the threads over again it is just typical of inexperienced network marketers crying Wolf.
So, Mr "I'm just a poor, lowly affiliate" Cuthbert.
* Which court issued the order ??
* To whom was the order issued ??
* How did the court decide whether or not it had jurisdiction ??
* The owner of Scam.com resides in Canada, was the notice served there ??
* The domain is registered to a Romanian address:
Quote:
scam.com
208.86.2.178
Scam Com
scamcom@gmail.com
M.C.I (Marquis Communications, Inc)
CERNEI 32 LUGOJ
unit 3 suite 138
timis
AE
305500
Romania
was the notice served there, perhaps ??
The Scam.com website is hosted in the USA:
Quote:
208.86.2.178
208.86.0.0 - 208.86.3.255
Rackco.com
210 N. Tucker Avenue
Suite 320
St. Louis
MO
63101
United States
Did Racko perchance receive the order ??
IOW,
once again, you're either bullshi****g or believing what you've been told by the mysterious people behind "Property Wikia"
Personally, I think it far more likely someone sent an authoritative sounding letter and the owner, one George Dranichak, folded like a house of cards and removed the relevant thread.
Purely conjecture, of course, but, if it did occur that way, it wouldn't be the first time.