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hey
does anyone have any experience or insight into these guys? also online as Investcontainers.com
You purchase shipping containers and they lease them to shipping companies with guaranteed buyback after 5 years at the cost price you paid.
Returns look good, if its legit!!
thanks
If returns were that good they would have all their money invested instead of attempting to persuade you to invest yours.
sounds like the old atm leasing scam.
ATM LEASEBACK SCHEMES-- any insight? - Quatloos!
It's absolutely not legit.Quote:
Originally Posted by spookyluke
The SCAM company Pacific Tycoon was professionally marketed by a broad network of carefully planted blog shills starting in 2012 and stopped paying people about the time the early investors thought they would be recovering their capital. Groups of investors are pursuing legal action in the hopes that there may still be assets that can be recovered. There is a "closed" Facebook group of over 160 former investors whose losses range from a few thousand to over a million dollars named Pacific Tycoon Investors Forum. You can get an idea of what dealing with these crooks is like by checking some of the reports at Pissed Consumer.
Davenport Larouche, TraditionalInvest.com and Investcontainers.com are someof the dummy companies that were set up by Pacific Tycoon to try and suck in more people. The consensus opinion is that the containers do not exist at all and that the company's greatest expense is "reputation grooming" by planting a blizzard of fake promotional blogs, which all have the common denominator of: "your comment is awaiting moderation" ...
12% guaranteed or "up to 30% aggressive" with buy-back in three years?
Does not happen. Never has, never will.
You can find a decent overview of these SCAMS written by David King here.
A lot of Australians have been sucked into various presentations of this same SCAM. The Australian government addresses the topic here.
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Behindmlm is another good place for information as part of your DD...
http://behindmlm.com/mlm-reviews/dav...lending-ponzi/
Hi there. Davenport Laroche is a scam located in Vietnam. They have some vacant offices in Hong Kong for meting up clients. Initially you will get a portion of your invested money as "return of your investment" but latter they will tell you that the good contracts have ended and will not receive returns any more unless you pay them more. It is the same scammers that run Pacific Tycoon.
Be careful of the blogs and web sites promoting scam this as a good investment. Most of them were set up by the scammers or are supported by them financially just to advertise their scam.
They have also set up another web page (leasing company) under the banner dedacocontainers (www.dedacocontainers.com). They dont have a single containers. See what happened to Pacific Tycoon clients just to know what will happen to you if send them your money.
If you read carefully the contracts they send to the future clients it is implied that they have the right to pay you nothing. Ask a lawyer before depart your money for good.
Inestcontainers.com and traditionalinvest.com are face web pages made to direct clients to the scammers. Do not invest by any means.
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A writer named Suzanne Day exercised considerable investigative patience to produce this extensive expose' in 2014:
https://toughnickel.com/scams-fraud/pacific-tycoon-scam
The excellent article concludes with multiple links to other sources and now has over 100 user comments.
"Pissed Consumer" pages are up to five, now:
https://pacific-tycoon.pissedconsumer.com/review.html
https://pacific-tycoon.pissedconsume...2313/RT-C.html
https://pacific-tycoon.pissedconsume...4888/RT-C.html
https://pacific-tycoon.pissedconsume...102947715.html
https://pacific-tycoon.pissedconsume...2101/RT-C.html
You can still find fresh new fake promotional blogs and enticing ads from these scammers ...
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Wow, these are very serious accusations. You went on a whole soliloquy of how they are a scam but provided no evidence? You also say to be careful about what you read online. So why should I trust you? I’ve been investing with Davenport Laroche for about a year and a half and have had 0 problems. They have always paid me on time and I have made a substantial amount of money through them. Don’t believe everything you read online is right. What you just posted is a perfect example.Quote:
Originally Posted by kim tan
I've been doing a lot of research online about Davenport Laroche and I found out a lot of information contrary to what has been said in this thread. Everything I read seems to be valid and I truly believe that this is a legitimate company. I even gave them a call last week and spoke to them on the phone just to see if what I saw online checked out and sure enough it did. With that being said, I am going to invest with them within the next 2 weeks. However, I am not going to go overboard with this. I am going to buy one container at first, and then if that goes smoothly, I will buy more. My advice to everyone is to do the same.
Maria and Steve seem to have all sorts of problems including Multiple Posting Personality Disorder and gender confusion.
Time to pick one username and then tell us exactly what it is we really need to know. Sigh.
Welcome to RS, and appreciate your post. I am sure that you have found a lot of information that differs from what others have posted here, but here's the kicker: Just where did you find this "other" information?Quote:
Originally Posted by MariaPeterson
I guess you didn't want to read the information contained in this link: https://toughnickel.com/scams-fraud/pacific-tycoon-scam, and especially all the comments. Shame because it totally destroys the information you found. Let's be clear, it is your money and you can do with it as you please, but to try to white-wash all the negative reviews and information found on this company without you providing any of the information you found; you are being disingenuous. There are more red flags flying on this company than there are at a May Day parade in Moscow.
What you have to understand is that whether it is a Ponzi, a scam, or an illegal pyramid or cash gifting scheme, they pay people to post their "I got paid immediately," "I have never had a problem getting paid for (insert here the number of months or years they are pushing to convince you it is real) claim," "This pays like clockwork and is the real deal," "Don't listen to the naysayers/haters/trolls, or just plain jealous people who don't want you to succeed" mantra they all spout. SteveP212 is a good example of what I am talking about. What is funny is that he complains that the person making the claim this is a Ponzi provides no proof, and then he doesn't provide any proof of his claim of his being paid for 18 months and with no problems. And you did the same thing without providing any proof of the information you found by sharing it or providing a link to it. Ironic isn't it.
As was previously said by Joe_Shmoe if the returns are this great why do they need your money? I don't remember Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Steve Jobs offering anyone a deal like this when they were starting their businesses. Do you? So why not if they knew what they had was such a great deal?
Now there are many more links I could provide you, but all you had to do was look at the ones that were provided by shipdit above. If those still don't convince you, nothing will. I do have to say when I saw your post I was immediately reminded of the old saying "A fool and his money are soon parted." I did not say this lightly. Just like others here on this forum, combined we have hundreds of years of experience in exposing Ponzi's, scams, illegal pyramid schemes and illegal cash gifting schemes. You won't be the first, nor the last, to ignore our warnings. I have no reservation to tell you that you will lose your money because you will. While you might get paid a little in the beginning, it won't last. You will be lucky they don't fold up shop and start a new company within the next 3 months, or they just disappear.
But please come back and provide us with your information that proves Pacific Tycoon / Davenport Laroche shipping containers is not a scam, and the same for SteveP212. I didn't want to limit you to just one sex if you were unsure which you were when you reply. We look forward to the discussion.
Actually, SBM, there's 3 people who have joined from the same address at the same time MariaPeterson, SteveP212 and MarkA212.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soapboxmom
So, I might just make an executive decision and dropkick all three from the forum on the assumption they are all shills for Davenport Laroche shipping containers
BUMMER! I was so looking forward to playing with them. Now you took all my fun away. Shame on you! :RpS_lol:
It was never "THEM" there was only ever one and he / she was really bad at their job of shilling their nonsense.
The fun was going to be seeing if they could remember if they were the male posting or the female posting.:RpS_lol:
Trans-gendered Multiple Personality Disorder.
Can you post the numbers of your containers to check the validity of your claim. Not some random numbers .... We would like to check if you own any container. But I am sure you don't own any. You have seen them on pictures only like all the scammers in Davenport Laroche and Pacific Tycoon.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveP212
Pacific Tycoon/Davenport LaRouche refuses to provide BIC codes for any container they have ever pretended to have purchased on behalf of any of their customers.Quote:
Originally Posted by nguyen noi
When the "owners" have no way of tracking the containers they have been told they own, they can be given ridiculous excuses like "you have made no money because your containers are being 'repositioned' from South America to China. Check back in nine months".
The containers do not exist. It's a Ponzi SCAM.
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Hey,Quote:
Originally Posted by spookyluke
I have some personal experience with Davenport Laroche and they are absolutely legit. I have never had any problems with them in my entire history of investing with them. However, one thing that can get frustrating at times is communication with them. I live in the United States and their headquarters are located in Asia, so at times, it can be difficult to find a time that's convenient for both of us, but there's nothing anybody can do about that. Davenport is a fantastic company I have made a ton of money with them.
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Not the sharpest crayon in the box, are you Belinda / Maria / Mark / Steve ????
Go away and shill somewhere else, OK ????
https://imageshack.com/a/img923/4118/LGDJcV.png
Welcome to RS. So how did you find this thread at RS?Quote:
Originally Posted by BelindaD2123
But now I want to address the comments in your post. First, why would you have a difficult time to find a time for the two of you to communicate? It is only an 13-hour time difference, so 10 pm your (if indeed you are in Kansas) time would make it 9 am the next day in Hong Kong if you needed to talk. I guess they don't have email for you to communicate with them. So much easier as you don't have to worry about the time difference.
I especially loved your comment that you have made a ton of money with them. Please define what is a "ton of money." You can provide a specific dollar figure, right? You also conveniently left out just how long you have been investing with them to make your "ton of money." So how long is your "entire history" of investing with them?
You see, easy questions to answer, and I look forward to your answers. But I do have one more question for you: Which is heavier, a ton of feathers or a ton of bricks?
It seems we aren't the only ones highly suspicious of the Pacific Tycoon / Davenport Laroche scam scheme.
https://imageshack.com/a/img924/7710/lcaxKd.png
Probably explains why PT / DL find it necessary to send shills here to defend themselves, as well
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Madoff's, Stanford's, Rothstien's, Ponzi's, Scoville's, Deese's, Kreuger's, and MMM's investors never had a problem either, until the day they did. "I'm being paid so this can't be a scam" has to be one of the dumbest utterances in the history of Ponzi scams.Quote:
Originally Posted by BelindaD2123
Is that because you and your three other aliases are running the scam? As with the above this statement is meaningless absent a full independently audited accounting showing total investment, payouts, number of participants, assets, liabilities, and resulting equity.Quote:
Originally Posted by BelindaD2123
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Originally Posted by BelindaD2123
Allegedly.
Since SEC registration is non existent https://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-e...ion=getcompany we'll have to take your word for it.
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Originally Posted by Analysis Details
I can't wait to see who shows up next trying to claim that they are very happy and have a long history with them and making a ton of money. Notice that we now have 2 female and 2 males who have tried to post in support all from the same IP. Makes one wonder who's next to show up. The more they show up, the more we know the thread is hurting recruitment.
We also know these are newbies because of their totally lame defense of their Ponzi.
My experience in Davenport Laroche
I have invested in Davenport in June 2016 by purchasing 4 containers. Initially I get high ROR almost 19% for exactly 12 months then suddenly it dropped down to 5% and decreased to 0% through the following 14 month. Latter in Feb 2017, when the ROR was still high I entered into another contract which is buy containers from South America and sell in China. I invested in another 3 containers they told me at that time it will take from 7 to 9 months to reach China and 50% ROR.
I would like to share this stupid experience with you in order to help other people not to become victims of such gangs.
Now, I have a big doubt to return my original invested money.
Would you help me what shall I do to make a legal case in Hong Kong where they Located.
Kind Regards,
Khaldov
Hello Khaldov,Quote:
Originally Posted by Khaldov
Your experience is typical of others who made the mistake of believing that Pacific Tycoon / Davenport Larouche was buying shipping containers for you and managing them to produce a return.
Pacific Tycoon / Davenport Laroche is a Ponzi SCAM.
Some "investors" have had success getting money back by using this law firm in Hong Kong:
HWB | independent hong kong law firm | Howse Williams Bowers
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Good Luck to you.
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Thank you Shipdit
Do you know any facebook page or WhatsApp groups warning from such gangs and spreading their experience or something similar to join
Regards,
Yes Khaldov:Quote:
Originally Posted by Khaldov
https://www.facebook.com/groups/214739772256296/
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am sure that you earned more than a ton of money as this scam is very lucrative.... especially if you are part of the scam.....Can give us the numbers of the containers that you own ..??Quote:
Originally Posted by BelindaD2123
Powerful money-making tool if you are willing to risk it. Very happy that i bit the bullet and listened to friendsand put money into Davenport Laroche and their shipping contianers. I havent seen returns like this and imhappy i found out about this opportunity.
The corrupt diligence that Pacific Tycoon/Davenport Larouche exercises paying shills like you to pretend that they are not a SCAM is tiresome.Quote:
Originally Posted by reddavis
Lawyers have been able to squeeze a few settlements out of the crooks behind this Ponzi SCAM recently, but the suckers who thought they were "investing" can't get anyone to answer the telephone, return messages or answer emails.
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Oh please. Save the drivel. So how about you tell all of us how much you "invested" in this, when you "invested" in this, how much you have been paid to date since you "invested" in this, and when was your last payment and for how much? While you are at it, how much did they pay you to come here and post your drivel?Quote:
Originally Posted by reddavis
Talks cheap. Time for you to put up or move on. Somehow I think you will just disappear like the other posters trying to defend this Ponzi. Another one-post wonder.
The amateurish barrage of numpties like you is warning enough for potential suckers.
Your bullshit notwithstanding, if it's a "powerful money making tool" whats the risk? #PonziQuote:
Originally Posted by reddavis
Fixed it for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by reddavis
Being a paid troll?Quote:
Originally Posted by reddavis
RIBBIES! it's a merry ribmas after all.
Pacific Tycoon or Davenport Laroche, they're one of the same although they'll claim they're completely separate, the long and short is they're no more than 21st Century Gangsters telling you to let them purchase containers on your behalf and leasing them out for your, promising high returns: either fixed 12% per year or fluctuating returns averaging 30% per year. Be cautious!!! They will use pitches like China is the manufacturer of the world, there is huge demand for containers, that Pacific Tycoon and Davenport Laroche is part of some associations, that they are willing to meet up with you face to face if you travel to their Hong Kong head office, and that there are client references, etc. Below is the detailed description of this Ponzi Scam.
This is how your investment will go, no matter how many containers you buy or for what price the returns for the first 12 to 15 months will peak at about 25% to 27%, then plateau. After about 18 months or so when your income will fall through the floor within months. (If you went for the 12% guaranteed you'll still end up in the same boat as you're only guaranteed 12% if there is 12%) Ted will tell you they've moved along with the rail road project and are now in an area with no demand. I questioned him that surely the customer has to return them to the original place of hire? All he did was avoid any answer saying he'll see what he can do. Months will pass with no call and after chasing him he'll tell you he has a wonderful deal !! Trade all all your container for what you paid for them and buy some more, plus an extra amount so he gets a some more money out of you. I know a few investors that have taken the trade only to find the revenues only last about 4 months max before you're back to no income, but as these containers are second hand there's no buy back option, which he won't tell you you'll loose when you do the deal.
If you hold out thinking you'll be OK when the three years are up because you'll get your money back, you'll be disappointed. Firstly clause 12 in your contract... the containers have to come off hire first. Pacific Tycoon will promise to get you an "Off Hire List", firstly there's no specified time frame for them to produce this. secondly you think when I do get the list as I'm not getting any income they can't be on hire.. wrong they'll be on contract for another 3 to 4 years on "As and When the Customs Uses Them Bases" Technically on hire, but no income, and the customer will never use them because they don't and never have existed!!
Pacific Tycoon will use their Lawyer in Brisbane, a Mr Robert Cunningham of Paxton- Hall to hide behind and delay this process. I am sure the lawyer can not of carried of all the compliances with the Proceeds of Crime regulation in regard their dealings with Pacific Tycoon, i.e verified ID checks, requiring passport and utility bill etc.
Davenport Laroche is even worst with the buy back, they will just go off grid, not answer calls, if you turn off your caller ID they will, but only then a promise of a call back that you'll never get.
If you Google Pacific Tycoon and any variant of scam, financial fraud, investment fraud, you get over a 100,000 results, for Davenport Laroche about 20,000.
What income you may be entitled to may also be difficult to get to your bank account. My bank has refused a number of payment as they don't come form Pacific Tycoon or Davenport Laroche, but some random account usually from Cambodia. I have had to take my contract to the bank to prove I'm not money laundering, which I'm sure Pacific Tycoon and Davenport Laroche are also probably guilty of.
Pacific Tycoon and Davenport Laroche are a Ponzi Scheme based in Saigon, Vietnam. Between them they have an office in HK, UK, Dubai, and Australia to meet clients. Pacific Tycoon case it is at a different address from the virtual address published on the website. Pacific Tycoon and Davenport Laroche staff pick up clients at the airport or hotel and take them to that office. They always ask clients the exact date and time they are coming to visit Hong Kong, so as to book flight tickets to get there from Vietnam and fill up the empty office. There are also two part-time local Hong Kong staffs. Hong Kong staffs are innocent, staff from Vietnam have to tell them that they come from Shanghai office, and Hong Kong staffs believe that. There’s probably nobody in Shanghai.
Pacific Tycoon and Davenport Laroche do have Hong Kong phone numbers (land and mobile) beginning with 852, which are just SIMs they bought in HK and bring the phone to Vietnam. Salespeople call clients using voice-over-IP (Skype) to save costs and to hide where they are calling from, the phone calls I receive can come via, Switzerland, Russia, France or Germany, obviously routed through some discount carrier and to hide their location.
Ted Mallory (just an alias) runs the boiler room in Vietnam, about 30 staffs. They get telesales leads from email campaign in Viral Planet, The Executive Club, Adalsa, Investor Guide, Galvan, etc. The biggest markets are UK and Australia. Since the beginning of 2012 until now, revenue per month is about 1 million US Dollars, I estimate that after deducting costs, Ted makes about 400 to 500K per month for himself.
Ted is paranoid about his identity. Staffs don't know his real name. All we know is he's an old British guy, tall, brownish blond. He may also have a Filipino passport. The apartment to run the office is always rented under his Vietnamese mistress' name Nguyen Thi Ngoc Thanh. Moritzclear Research S.A. and its company bank accounts are under his Filipino female friend’s name Michell Empleo Dela Cruz. Once your money is wired to the Taiwanese bank Shanghai Comercial and Savings Bank, it will then be wired to Michell’s account in Cambodia, and then transferred to her Vietnamese bank. Once the money comes to Vietnam, Michell will fly to this country to withdraw the cash. Thanh will escort her all the way to the banks, and take the money back to the boiler room office.
As a rule, client leads from USA, France, China (including Hong Kong), Vietnam, and a few other countries are immediately taken off the list. Regarding USA and France, Ted is scared off because there were official warnings against Pacific Tycoon and Davenport Laroche; regarding China and Vietnam, he is smart enough not to create any noise in the local market, so that the police don't pay attention. If a client has British nationality, but live and work in Hong Kong, he'll be taken off the list, because Ted doesn't want him to visit the HK office randomly and finds nobody. In addition, clients are told not to send and receive funds from a US bank account, regardless of his/her nationality.
A powerful sales pitch is to tell potential buyers to contact client references; i.e. those who already invested in Pacific Tycoon and Davenport Laroche, for opinions. In total, there are only 10 client references, who are victims themselves. They are kept happy, receive their returns from this scheme, and they are paid a flat fee each time someone agrees to buy after emailing/talking to them.
Another sales tool is to mention that you will receive container ownership certificate, with a container number (BIC code). Well, you may want to go into this link and check if the last digit is correct: http://www.bic-code.org/calculate-th...it-online.html. A client told me he checked and the last digit doesn’t match, or that further investigation about the correct code shows that the container doesn’t belong to PT. Anyway, I have seen a junior staff printing out a lot fake ownership certificates in the Vietnam office, from a template file. All she needed to do is to insert the details like numbers and owners and then print them out.
Another tool to convince clients of Pacific Tycoon is to mention that it is a member of Hong Kong Shipowners Association and Container Owners Association; and that is is ranked platinum by Dun & Bradstreet. The truth is, it is only listed as an associate member, NOT full member, in HK Shipowners Association and Container Owners Association by paying those websites a fee. The same apply for Dun & Bradstreet website, it paid that website for the platinum ranking thing. On the other hand, one should question why this company is not listed in The Institute of International Container Lessor: http://www.iicl.org/about/members.cfm. Another way to be extremely cautious is how this company is created:
_Parent company Moritzclear Research S.A. was incorporated in Belize
_Pacific Tycoon and Davenport Laroche registered in Hong Kong, contracts with clients under Singapore law
_The bank to receive clients’ money is in Taiwan
_Website registered in The Philippines: pacifictycoon.com - pacifictycoon (scroll down to About Site, click on the tab Whois)
In Vietnam, Pacific Tycoon and Davenport Laroche advertises job vacancies under various fictitious names (San Severino Holdings, Cloisters House, DataFlow, etc.), since the company itself doesn't have any business registration, and staffs don't have any real labour contracts with the company. In February 2012, Vietnamese police raided Pacific Tycoon and Davenport Laroche office in district 4, but then were bribed to ignore Pacific Tycoon and Davenport Laroche. I think it was only the poor local policemen who raided, not police at higher level like Economic Police or anything like that.
It is important to note that Ted Mallory has been hiring an IT company to hack and bring down websites with bad publicity about Pacific Tycoon and Davenport Laroche, and he successfully brought down www.absoluteinvestor.co.uk and www.boiler-room.orgs.
When it s impossible to bring down a website, Pacific Tycoon lets its lawyer a Mr Robert Cunningham of Paxton- Hall to contact the investment forum requesting comments to be removed, saying it is libel. Thus, many comments about the truth of Pacific Tycoon and Davenport Laroche by ex-employees on, for example, The Motley Fool were removed.
My reply to any accusation of threat of liable will be sue me then , to do so they will have to prove in court that what I said is liable, to do so, one Ted Malory will have to give evidence and prove he is who he says he is, and the only argument to disprove the liable is to prove the business is genuine, no of which they can or will do!!
To re-affirm that Pacific Tycoon and Davenport Laroche are a Ponzi Scheme. They will keep perpetrating this scam, praying on the weak and the innocent unless forced to stop by making as many people as aware as possible.
No need to give details why Davenport Laroche & Pacific Tycoon and many other webpages are just scams. Some of them are used as catchy advertisements like www.investcontainers.com and others as “independent traders” like Green Charters (www.greencharterstrading) in Bulgaria actually acting as recipients for the money of the “containers owners” which are then transferred to scammers accounts in Cambodia. A simple search (ignoring paid comments and blogs) would convinced anyone that it’s all about a big Scam based in Vietnam with empty offices in Hong Kong. Here are some tips for those who did not pay attention to the warnings and have fallen in the trap in order protect other potential victims and potentially get some of their money back.
▪ After realising you have been scammed go to your bank. Tell them what has happened and ask them to block all remittances of funds to scammers’ accounts. These accounts most of the times are said to belong to Traders, cooperating with theiscammers but actually belong to the scammers themselves. This will not save the money you have paid but you will cut the life line of the scammers and save other people money. At the same time report the scam to the responsible authorities of your country. Australia has done some work on that. Note that the site of Davenport shows an Australian telephone number which is Voip not in Australia but with no physical address there.
▪ For legitimacy reasons the scammers claim to be based in Hong Kong. You must file charges to the HK authorities in person or by a local lawyer. The Hong Kong authorities know a lot about the scam and the persons involved. It’s a shame that they have left the scammers to operate there for such a long time.
▪ If you want to find the scammers in person their offices are in District 2 in Vietnam. The authorities there won’t be able to help a lot but a private investigator will tell you where the scammers are in less than an hour. District 2 is a small suburb in Ho Chi Minh City. Show the picture to a private investigator. A picture of the person who runs the scam can be found on the internet (obviously not the picture of the fictitious Jacques Piccard, advertised by Davenports sites as this is nonexistent and was made up by the scammer)
▪ In case of a class legal action victims of Davenport Laroche and Pacific Tycoon should know that they have been scammed by the same people. The alias Ted Malory of Pacific Tycoon is the same person with Theo Chamberlain and Gregory Canaris of Pacific Tycoon is Costas Poumbakis in Davenport Laroche.
▪ Complain to Google for letting the scammers advertise their fraud on various sites at the counties targets (mostly UK, Middle East, Australia. I don’t think that the proceeds from advertising the fraud offer any justification. Google could have done much more. They are partly liable.