Scam.com George Dranichak (Vladimir Sviatoslavich) / Sojustask (Stephanie Haberman)

So a site that has been around for years that has grown into one of the most prolific scambusting sites on the net literally looks like it has self destructed within 60 days due to some incredibly mind numbing decisions. It could have survived a history of mysteriously deleted threads and an owner who seemed to ignore the site and it's moderators completely.

But to make a guy who is so obviously pro Scam the administrator of a scam site seemingly makes it look like he wanted to torpedo the site. Once that decision was made, moderators who dedicated literally thousands of hours to the site's success were banned or left within days. Leaving a tyrant who is a complete b*tch to everyone who encountered her and an Admin who didn't have a clue how to use the Admin panel, to run the site completely off the web within 45 days. Very, very sad.

I decided last month to stop going to scam.com because of all the problems . . . I remember over 100 of my posts instantly disappeared because somebody (I don't know who) deleted an entire thread in the Mail Scams forum.

This problem (of disappearing threads) was even worse in the MLM forum. What's the point of posting when everything gets deleted? What a waste of time.

Plus, "Zachary" was placing his own "Naked News" spam all over the place. It was disgusting. He was ruining his own website. When the highly respected Moderator SBM got banned for doing nothing wrong, that was the final straw for me.

It seems like most of the mods had already abandoned the site . . at least the best mods. Lady Mod's behavior was deplorable.

I remember when Lady Mod closed a thread and said that it was "not polite to talk about someone" when that person was banned. But she had no problem talking about No Moron Here after he quit and then got banned. And look at the way she treated SBM. She attacked SBM and still complained about her after she got banned and left the site. I think Lady Mod even changed something about SBM after she left. What was that . . . vengeance? It was shameful.

So much for being polite.

At least Len is no longer an Administrator. That's the one positive thing to come out of all of this.

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Originally Posted by Blue Wolf

At least Len is no longer an Administrator. That's the one positive thing to come out of all of this.

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How's that?

Well Doc . . . since the site no longer exists, what is Len an Administrator of? He's gone.

Of course, I could be wrong. Maybe the website is temporarily down for some unknown reason.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Scam.com was once upon a time,the best forum out there,but of late was simply falling apart,for all the reasons already given on this thread.I personally lost seven complete threads with no reasons given by Admin or anyone else.It was clear Zac had no real interest in the site.
Anyway,thats all history now,lets all go forward with this great new forum!:cool:

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Originally Posted by Blue Wolf

Well Doc . . . since the site no longer exists, what is Len an Administrator of? He's gone.

Of course, I could be wrong. Maybe the website is temporarily down for some unknown reason.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

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Interesting that site goes down at roughly the same time this sites comes up?

What a coincidence.

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Originally Posted by klondikemike

Interesting that site goes down at roughly the same time this sites comes up?

What a coincidence.

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From my understanding, this site was launched a little early in order to fill the void created when SCAM.COM vanished without a trace, or warning. Granted, some of us had a pretty good hunch it was swirling the drain over a month ago but...
Rest assured this site would have launched even if SCAM.COM was up and running still. We'd have more to talk about too as I'm sure there'd be fireworks aplenty going off over there about now.

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Originally Posted by Mike!

From my understanding, this site was launched a little early in order to fill the void created when SCAM.COM vanished without a trace, or warning. Granted, some of us had a pretty good hunch it was swirling the drain over a month ago but...
Rest assured this site would have launched even if SCAM.COM was up and running still. We'd have more to talk about too as I'm sure there'd be fireworks aplenty going off over there about now.

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Very true. This forum was brought online the middle of last week and many people were working on it behind the scenes. We still had plenty of work left to do when scam went offline but we stepped things up a bit and beg the indulgence of our early members while we iron out the list of many things that need to be fixed. SBM, RSAdmin, myself and several others wanted to make a place that did what the other site should have been doing but wasn't. We had no way to know scam would go offline but did what we did anyway, so even if they come back, our objectives wont change a bit.

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Originally Posted by GlimDropper

Very true. This forum was brought online the middle of last week and many people were working on it behind the scenes. We still had plenty of work left to do when scam went offline but we stepped things up a bit and beg the indulgence of our early members while we iron out the list of many things that need to be fixed. SBM, RSAdmin, myself and several others wanted to make a place that did what the other site should have been doing but wasn't. We had no way to know scam would go offline but did what we did anyway, so even if they come back, our objectives wont change a bit.

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And believe me, all of the efforts of everyone involved is more than appreciated. Great job.

Glim and RS are the real heroes. They handled all the technical stuff. I just wrote the rules and organized a few things. They are the true genuises. We welcome all your feedback and suggestions. This is everyone's community! And, yes I am still in the process of learning about all the intricacies, but before long it will be smooth sailing!

Soapboxmom

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Originally Posted by Mike!

From my understanding, this site was launched a little early in order to fill the void created when SCAM.COM vanished without a trace, or warning. Granted, some of us had a pretty good hunch it was swirling the drain over a month ago but...
Rest assured this site would have launched even if SCAM.COM was up and running still. We'd have more to talk about too as I'm sure there'd be fireworks aplenty going off over there about now.

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Oh boy!!! I can't wait to hear about Lenny's next lawsuit. :cool:

Hurry kids, it's up and running again, at least for now...

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Originally Posted by Mike!

Hurry kids, it's up and running again, at least for now...

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She may have been up, but she's down again now! LOL!!!!!

Soapboxmom

You know.. I really hate people deleting threads and posts.. No one but me has posted in the oceanside threadfora while.. But before there were 168 posts, now 167...

Why do you think someone would go in and delete one post?

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Originally Posted by fastmoney

Why do you think someone would go in and delete one post?

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Because they can?

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Originally Posted by Soapboxmom

She may have been up, but she's down again now! LOL!!!!!

Soapboxmom

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Hahaha!

Now THAT was fast. I can't get there. Oh well. No great loss.

We have one of our questions answered. They DO want to get back online.

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Originally Posted by fastmoney

You know.. I really hate people deleting threads and posts.. No one but me has posted in the oceanside threadfora while.. But before there were 168 posts, now 167...

Why do you think someone would go in and delete one post?

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Did you point out something negative about Broker Jones or Lenny? That could explain it.

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Originally Posted by fastmoney

You know.. I really hate people deleting threads and posts.. No one but me has posted in the oceanside threadfora while.. But before there were 168 posts, now 167...

Why do you think someone would go in and delete one post?

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By the way, I was able to get there just now by typing in scam.com and found only two registered posters online.

Most users ever online was 33,928, 11-30-2007 at 03:11 PM.
Disapointed, BobGatchel

Scam.com was hit by a Denial of Service attack. Since another website (Business For Home.org) was hit just a couple weeks ago for their negative comments about a scam called TVI Express, and a very negative thread exists on Scam.com about this same scam, and both DOS attacks were initiated from East Asia, it is likely they are related.

But is is interesting that when a website that is designed to expose scams gets shut down by scammers, you all celebrate and root for the cyber-terrorists!

I also just want to point out one more thing... after I became an admin at Scam.com I began to enforce one, and only one, rule - no more completely baseless personal attacks made my someone just because it makes them feel good. That's it! That's the ONLY thing that has changed at Scam.com. And it is very interesting to see who has chosen not to participate under this restriction.

Someone in another thread commented that Scam.com was like a boil that finally came to a head and popped. I completely agree with the analogy. And it appears all the puss came here.

Len

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Originally Posted by MWave

And it appears all the puss came here.

Len

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Why yes it did. We were expecting you. Mr. MLM Forum Board Whore Extraordinaire has finally arrived. Don't you have another more important job to do over at scam.com? You know, like unlocking threads so you may continue to belittle the mods? You learned that from LM, right? Asshat. You'll just never get it, Len. You're like a turd that won't flush.

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Originally Posted by Live&Learn

By the way, I was able to get there just now by typing in scam.com and found only two registered posters online.

Most users ever online was 33,928, 11-30-2007 at 03:11 PM.
Disapointed, BobGatchel

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Numbers are already up. BTW, unless you are a mod there, you aren't going to see the people who choose the option of being unseen.

scam.com doesn't seem to be working very well to me.

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Originally Posted by Sojustask

Numbers are already up. BTW, unless you are a mod there, you aren't going to see the people who choose the option of being unseen.

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There were 6 registered people online. Four of them chose to remain unseen.

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Originally Posted by BruceShuell

scam.com doesn't seem to be working very well to me.

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I wouldn't waste your time there. I've gotten a virus twice from that board. Instead of taking care of the problem when I alerted other posters, Lenny banned me.

Nice work Lenny.

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Originally Posted by Sojustask

Numbers are already up. BTW, unless you are a mod there, you aren't going to see the people who choose the option of being unseen.

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Yeah, folks can't resist watching a train wreck.
Of course, the number of posts is way down.

(I'll wait patiently for an explanation of that.)
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Originally Posted by Unsaved Trash

Why yes it did. We were expecting you. Mr. MLM Forum Board Whore Extraordinaire has finally arrived. Don't you have another more important job to do over at scam.com? You know, like unlocking threads so you may continue to belittle the mods? You learned that from LM, right? Asshat. You'll just never get it, Len. You're like a turd that won't flush.

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I didn't "unlock" the thread to respond. Moderators can respond to locked threads without them even knowing it's locked. I understand why I just learned this, but with all the years you moderated there, how could you not have known this?

You're really brave over here, aren't you Tom?

Len

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Originally Posted by Live&Learn

I wouldn't waste your time there. I've gotten a virus twice from that board. Instead of taking care of the problem when I alerted other posters, Lenny banned me.

Nice work Lenny.

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You're a bold face lair. I banned you because you accused ME of spreading the virus! And you know that's why you were banned.

And why is it that you never answer so many simple questions? How do you know your virus (assuming your computer even really has one) came from Scam.com? Especially in light of the fact that not one single other person has reported getting a virus from visiting Scam.com?

Len

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Originally Posted by MWave

You're a bold face lair. I banned you because you accused ME of spreading the virus! And you know that's why you were banned.

Len

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Live&Learn was banned because he/she accused you of spreading a virus? :confused:

I must have over looked that one, but what Rule # is it that says you will get banned if you accuse an Administrator of spreading a virus? :confused:

scam dot com appears to be back up and running now

good luck

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Originally Posted by MWave

I didn't "unlock" the thread to respond. Moderators can respond to locked threads without them even knowing it's locked. I understand why I just learned this, but with all the years you moderated there, how could you not have known this?

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I don't think that's quite right, Lenny Dearest. You're an ADMIN, you can do way more than a mod. But I never had to respond to a locked thread because once it was locked, I didn't have the need to have the last word. Actually, I think I only locked a couple of threads and gave the member complaining the last word.

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You're really brave over here, aren't you Tom?

Len

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Excuse me? More so than when I was over there? Actually, no. I took your bullshit all of the time, never threatened to ban you when you complained about myself and SBM's moderator abilities. I think I called you a DoucheBag many times and I meant it every single time. I hope you remember my video titled "Slick Lenny Clements: King of the DoucheBags and Network Marketing." You seemed to have enjoyed it. It was in one of the threads that got deleted.

I've never been afraid to take you on. And I've never called you a "prick" either, although you are a very obnoxious one. I've also never attempted to create another account at scam.com (unlike you) since I quit two weeks before I was banned for life, which actually means nothing since my IP automatically changes every day or two and I could. You can't ban me by IP. Not to worry though. See Lenny, I actually have ethics plus I wouldn't give George "King of Porn" the satisfaction of having another member added to the list.

Len, I do have a serious question for you though, one that everyone really wants an answer to. Please give us the courtesy of a reply, and not some bullshit version. An honest and detailed answer would be appreciated. Exactly how did you become an ADMIN? Please don't give us some generic response such as, "I asked George ("Zachary") Dranichak if I could be a mod (that came first) and after I was banned, he just made me an ADMIN." Not that type of a response, but a real and honest one. Like what did you two work out?

In addition Len, I see that you're not very happy with the scam.com mods and have made that publicly well known on the boards by humiliating them (mumbles and Katie), I know that you and "Your Majesty" don't get along, so do you realize that you can at will and at any time are able to remove them with the strike of a key? I would enjoy seeing you do that to LM. She already gnawed off your nads and chewed off what was above them. This time, I want to see her fangs slashing your jugular and how you will cope with that. And trust me, she would do that and is more than capable. Sorry Len, I know you actually think you're more evil, but her middle name is Apollyon. Give it a shot. I've yet to see my monitor go totally blood-red.

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Originally Posted by Unsaved Trash

In addition Len, I see that you're not very happy with the scam.com mods and have made that publicly well known on the boards by humiliating them (mumbles and Katie), I know that you and "Your Majesty" don't get along, so do you realize that you can at will and at any time are able to remove them with the strike of a key? I would enjoy seeing you do that to LM. She already gnawed off your nads and chewed off what was above them. This time, I want to see her fangs slashing your jugular and how you will cope with that. And trust me, she would do that and is more than capable. Sorry Len, I know you actually think you're more evil, but her middle name is Apollyon. Give it a shot. I've yet to see my monitor go totally blood-red.

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I can already see Chris and Kerry as the next mods. That should be fun!

Kermit The Frog and I are enjoying our Subways while reading the entertainment between scam.com and Realscam.com.


If your interested in knowing what type of Subway Kermit the Frog is eating while reading this thread he is having a 6 inch white breaded ham sandwich with american cheese mayo and lettice with tomatos and onions.

I on the otherhand have chosen the 6 inch honey oat Tuna sandwich with american cheese lettice and mayo (i prefer not to have tomato's or onions on my subs)

If you would like to see a picture of Kermit the Frog watching the entertainment of realscam.com and scam.com please view my avatar. Kermit has admitted and stated more than once that he does NOT like Len Clements. I on the other hand remain neutral to the subject and just enjoy the entertainment

Oh, Lenny you better call for back-up immediately. Remember your historic Whineyfesto. You said that you, ChrisDoyle and ohein56 were the 3 musketeers and sole defenders of the industry on Scam.com. You said you boys were the only ones gutsy enough to brave the slime and filth at that "cesspool" Scam.com. You valiantly fought and succeeded in your quest to get those threads off of the first page of Google. Don't you think you 3 have work to do here. Maybe your swords are mightier than the pen and you can don your tights and feathered hats and take us all on!!!

Soapboxmom

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Oh, Lenny you better call for back-up immediately. Remember your historic Whineyfesto. You said that you, ChrisDoyle and ohein56 were the 3 musketeers and sole defenders of the industry on Scam.com.

Soapboxmom

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Oh, Lenny you better call for back-up immediately. Remember your historic Whineyfesto. You said that you, ChrisDoyle and ohein56 were the 3 musmiceketeers and sole defenders of the industry on Scam.com.

Soapboxmom

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Originally Posted by Soapboxmom

Oh, Lenny you better call for back-up immediately. You said that you, ChrisDoyle and ohein56 were the 3 musketeers and sole defenders of the industry on Scam.com. You said you boys were the only ones gutsy enough to brave the slime and filth at that "cesspool" Scam.com.

Soapboxmom

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If the tights and feathers don't do it for the boys how about:
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There you go! Introducing Lenny and company!

Soapboxmom

Come on now, Len can't make ChrisDoyle a moderator. Chris would be forced to ban himself about three times a day for "Rule #8" violations.

Oh, and the "Berry" thread is now back open. Katiescorner Rocks. :)


And Len is correct, any mod can post in any closed thread over there. I only found that out when I was composing a post in a thread that got closed before I submitted it. And the reason Unsaved didn't know about is he never felt the need to disrespect one his (then) fellow mods by trying to get the last word in a thread another mod closed. But Len isn't bond by such trivial niceties and he's honest enough to admit, both in word and deed that he has no respect for his fellow mods. Kinda refreshing in it's own way.

If you haven't seen it in the chat section, Lisa is calling Clem out... Have a look if you like, here's a handy link!

Hey Len, can you please keep this on topic?

Might want to check it out quick, it might not last long.

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Originally Posted by Unsaved Trash

I don't think that's quite right, Lenny Dearest. You're an ADMIN, you can do way more than a mod. But I never had to respond to a locked thread because once it was locked, I didn't have the need to have the last word. Actually, I think I only locked a couple of threads and gave the member complaining the last word.

Excuse me? More so than when I was over there? Actually, no. I took your bullshit all of the time, never threatened to ban you when you complained about myself and SBM's moderator abilities. I think I called you a DoucheBag many times and I meant it every single time. I hope you remember my video titled "Slick Lenny Clements: King of the DoucheBags and Network Marketing." You seemed to have enjoyed it. It was in one of the threads that got deleted.

I've never been afraid to take you on. And I've never called you a "prick" either, although you are a very obnoxious one. I've also never attempted to create another account at scam.com (unlike you) since I quit two weeks before I was banned for life, which actually means nothing since my IP automatically changes every day or two and I could. You can't ban me by IP. Not to worry though. See Lenny, I actually have ethics plus I wouldn't give George "King of Porn" the satisfaction of having another member added to the list.

Len, I do have a serious question for you though, one that everyone really wants an answer to. Please give us the courtesy of a reply, and not some bullshit version. An honest and detailed answer would be appreciated. Exactly how did you become an ADMIN? Please don't give us some generic response such as, "I asked George ("Zachary") Dranichak if I could be a mod (that came first) and after I was banned, he just made me an ADMIN." Not that type of a response, but a real and honest one. Like what did you two work out?

In addition Len, I see that you're not very happy with the scam.com mods and have made that publicly well known on the boards by humiliating them (mumbles and Katie), I know that you and "Your Majesty" don't get along, so do you realize that you can at will and at any time are able to remove them with the strike of a key? I would enjoy seeing you do that to LM. She already gnawed off your nads and chewed off what was above them. This time, I want to see her fangs slashing your jugular and how you will cope with that. And trust me, she would do that and is more than capable. Sorry Len, I know you actually think you're more evil, but her middle name is Apollyon. Give it a shot. I've yet to see my monitor go totally blood-red.

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Tom, you are coward, a hypocrite, and a liar. You didn't "threaten" to ban me from Scam.com, you DID ban me - for life! And you did it because you "suspected" that I had "asked" an admin to remove the smear thread about me. And then right after you did that you ran away. Just like the little punk who places a burning bag of dog **** on a porch and then rings the doorbell before running away and hiding. When the board owner, who you seemed to have no problem with all the years you were King **** over there, was informed of this he reinstated me and banned you permanently! But, of course, you didn't care because you had already scurried off to Quatloos and now to this scum pond in the making.

Good luck with that. I'm sure you'll be right at home here with all these other cowards, a hypocrites, and a liars.

Len