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I removed your personal urls. You will not be advertising here ever!
You might prove amusing however, so I will bite.
Away from the SEC and claims it is %100 legal guarantee this is a huge scam!!! Now that sure was easy to assess!
Soapboxmom
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Soapboxmom
I removed your personal urls. You will not be advertising here ever!
You might prove amusing however, so I will bite.
Away from the SEC and claims it is %100 legal guarantee this is a huge scam!!! Now that sure was easy to assess!
Soapboxmom
LOL, along with his (her?) brags about the downline, and the similar to Zeek but with higher profits... Gee that was a toughy wasn't it? The small print says SCAM!!!
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Yes this has all the qualities I look for when giving my families hard earned money to complete strangers. Owners hiding their identity and mail returned as undeliverable.
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laidback
LOL, along with his (her?) brags about the downline, and the similar to Zeek but with higher profits...
I told it before and will tell it again, these scammers consider any ponzi that achieved some notoriety as an honorable mention on their "resume". They really think it was positive achievement. And by "legitimate" they do not mean "in compliance with the law", but "they can not catch you" which of cause is false.
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fromthehood
I told it before and will tell it again, these scammers consider any ponzi that achieved some notoriety as an honorable mention on their "resume". They really think it was positive achievement.
It should always be remembered when discussing HYIP ponzis, that regular HYIP players consider any HYIP which is "paying" to be legitimate and that their definition of what constitutes a "scam" is entirely different than "normal" non-HYIP playing 'net users.
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littleroundman
It should always be remembered when discussing HYIP ponzis, that regular HYIP players consider any HYIP which is "paying" to be legitimate and that their definition of what constitutes a "scam" is entirely different than "normal" non-HYIP playing 'net users.
That is 100% correct. Wanted to add to that.
Paying=All is good "not a scam"
Selective payments= collapsing and only paying a few members, also is considered a "scam at this point"
Fast Scam= When the Admin runs away before even those on day 1 make profit, this is considered the worst thing that can happen, and is what we all fear most.
Scam=A program that obviously paid out until it could not sustain anymore "Considered a respectable Admin after that"
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jarrettcomm
That is 100% correct. Wanted to add to that.
Paying=All is good "not a scam"
Selective payments= collapsing and only paying a few members, also is considered a "scam at this point"
Fast Scam= When the Admin runs away before even those on day 1 make profit, this is considered the worst thing that can happen, and is what we all fear most.
Scam=A program that obviously paid out until it could not sustain anymore "Considered a respectable Admin after that"
LOL, instead of justifying all the nonsense why not either become a full blown pimp, or set up your own program that is were the only real money is going to be made. Right now you remind me of any gambler who is going to a casino with the latest system. Or if you are going to gamble, why not hit the casinos where the view is better and they give the biggest losers something back in comps.
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ribshaw
LOL, instead of justifying all the nonsense why not either become a full blown pimp, or set up your own program that is were the only real money is going to be made. Right now you remind me of any gambler who is going to a casino with the latest system. Or if you are going to gamble, why not hit the casinos where the view is better and they give the biggest losers something back in comps.
I joined this industry 1 year ago. Almost every program I join is with 0 referrals, I play everything 100% passively. I only join programs I believe I can earn in passively, and over the last year I have made a lot of $$$ with my strategy. I don't feel like trying to sell a program to people; I just give advice and information to those who already have deposited their money and might as well know the best strategy to get it out.
I tried running a program a few months back, but it was too much effort with school and what not, so I never launched.
To the casino comment, I AM playing a casino; except the odds are higher here =] It's almost impossible to stop once you are using "play money"
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jarrettcomm
To the casino comment, I AM playing a casino; except the odds are higher here =] It's almost impossible to stop once you are using "play money"
Couple thoughts (read advice) no particular order.
1. Take a statistics class, your math is way off on where the odds are better. As a simple analysis a perfect blackjack player (non card counter) can get the casino's take down to about 1%, as with craps playing full odds. From there it only gets worse, last I looked a horse track has a rake of 15%. On the Ponzi side the average referral fee is 5% and no admin is doing it for the rush, so let's call their rake another 5% (pretending he is one of the honest admins we are always reading about). That means for every $100 put in, only $90 is left to be paid out. In other words, even if you played the Ponzi game perfectly your long term expectation is to lose $10 for every $100 you play, best case!
2. If you never learn to walk away when you are ahead, you will never keep what you have. Stick with the Casino analogy, there were many nights I walked away from a casino table (usually a loser) walked past someone with a huge stack of chips. Next morning heading to breakfast, same guy, no chips, and a really pissed off wife.
3. There is a book I would recommend to anyone called The Richest Man in Babylon by George S Clason, first read it in my early 20s. Much better off today, and if I had taken everything I threw away on stupid stuff like gambling and sure fire deals, would be much-much better off.
Either way you know what you are involved with, and that is all any of us can hope to do here.
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jarrettcomm
I joined this industry 1 year ago. Almost every program I join is with 0 referrals, I play everything 100% passively. I only join programs I believe I can earn in passively, and over the last year I have made a lot of $$$ with my strategy. I don't feel like trying to sell a program to people; I just give advice and information to those who already have deposited their money and might as well know the best strategy to get it out.
I tried running a program a few months back, but it was too much effort with school and what not, so I never launched.
To the casino comment, I AM playing a casino; except the odds are higher here =] It's almost impossible to stop once you are using "play money"
1. Interesting to hear you calling it "an industry". Given that ponzis are illegal in almost all the countries of the world, I think "a criminal subculture that masquerades as an industry" might be a more honest description.
2. Even if you personally dont have referrals, your passive earnings come from referrals of other participants, so every cent you gain is a cent someone else has lost, so there is little moral high ground to be gained by not actively recruiting a downline.
3. Passive income is an investment. In the case of the HYIPs, they are unregistered and without outside sources of income to boot, they are ponzis as the money only comes to you from other investors. This is true irrespective of whether they are in the US or using a shell company outside the US, as in the case of Adsprofitreward - as their actions are equally or even more illegal in Spain than the US.
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ribshaw
Couple thoughts (read advice) no particular order.
1. Take a statistics class, your math is way off on where the odds are better. As a simple analysis a perfect blackjack player (non card counter) can get the casino's take down to about 1%, as with craps playing full odds. From there it only gets worse, last I looked a horse track has a rake of 15%. On the Ponzi side the average referral fee is 5% and no admin is doing it for the rush, so let's call their rake another 5% (pretending he is one of the honest admins we are always reading about). That means for every $100 put in, only $90 is left to be paid out. In other words, even if you played the Ponzi game perfectly your long term expectation is to lose $10 for every $100 you play, best case!
2. If you never learn to walk away when you are ahead, you will never keep what you have. Stick with the Casino analogy, there were many nights I walked away from a casino table (usually a loser) walked past someone with a huge stack of chips. Next morning heading to breakfast, same guy, no chips, and a really pissed off wife.
3. There is a book I would recommend to anyone called The Richest Man in Babylon by George S Clason, first read it in my early 20s. Much better off today, and if I had taken everything I threw away on stupid stuff like gambling and sure fire deals, would be much-much better off.
Either way you know what you are involved with, and that is all any of us can hope to do here.
I know more on statistics than you will probably ever know, no offense. <--- Math major
I'll break it down simply for you. Best odds at a casino being generous is 50/50. My scam rate is far lower than half. So there you go, better odds here.
Also at this "casino" I only put money in once, 1 year ago, and never plan on putting new money in ever again. Now is that a tempting casino or what?
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Lil Ol' Radical Me
1. Interesting to hear you calling it "an industry". Given that ponzis are illegal in almost all the countries of the world, I think "a criminal subculture that masquerades as an industry" might be a more honest description.
2. Even if you personally dont have referrals, your passive earnings come from referrals of other participants, so every cent you gain is a cent someone else has lost, so there is little moral high ground to be gained by not actively recruiting a downline.
3. Passive income is an investment. In the case of the HYIPs, they are unregistered and without outside sources of income to boot, they are ponzis as the money only comes to you from other investors. This is true irrespective of whether they are in the US or using a shell company outside the US, as in the case of Adsprofitreward - as their actions are equally or even more illegal in Spain than the US.
1. The Word industry is used for convenience.
2. I am well aware, same goes for Casinos
3. I know, that's why I don't Admin
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jarrettcomm
I know more on statistics than you will probably ever know, no offense. <--- Math major
LMAO
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jarrettcomm
I'll break it down simply for you. Best odds at a casino being generous is 50/50. My scam rate is far lower than half. So there you go, better odds here.
LMAO, that is the dumbest thing I have read all day, and I have read a lot of dumb stuff so far. But that is what casinos and Pozni pimps count on.
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jarrettcomm
Now is that a tempting casino or what?
When I was 20 I knew a lot more than I know now. Bookmark this page, it will be a nice ah ha moment for you in a few years.
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ribshaw
LMAO
LMAO, that is the dumbest thing I have read all day, and I have read a lot of dumb stuff so far. But that is what casinos and Pozni pimps count on.
When I was 20 I knew a lot more than I know now. Bookmark this page, it will be a nice ah ha moment for you in a few years.
The dumbest thing you can do is argue math, without math. Anyone can say, "LOL THATS DUMB".......prove it?
Anyone going with $500 to the Casino, would make far more money doing exactly what I do in the HYIP industry.
No need for the name calling, I don't "promote" anyways. I've even lost friends in real life do to REFUSING to teach/bring them into the industry.
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Can you "prove" the sun is going to be there in the morning ???
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littleroundman
Can you "prove" the sun is going to be there in the morning ???
Is everyone here 7 years old?
Obviously there are statistics on win rates at Casinos. Obviously I have statistics on my own personal performance in the HYIP industry.
I can compare the 2 and make a logical decision on which is more profitable. Why are we even arguing this?
~~~Wait ignore all that I just posted, I forgot I'm on RealScam let me fix that~~~
ROFLMAO THATS DUMB
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we are not "arguing"
we are keeping you here spouting juvenile B/S as long as is possible so that readers can get an idea of what the HYIP ponzi "industry" is REALLY like
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ribshaw
Couple thoughts (read advice) no particular order.
1. Take a statistics class, your math is way off on where the odds are better. As a simple analysis a perfect blackjack player (non card counter) can get the casino's take down to about 1%, as with craps playing full odds. From there it only gets worse, last I looked a horse track has a rake of 15%. On the Ponzi side the average referral fee is 5% and no admin is doing it for the rush, so let's call their rake another 5% (pretending he is one of the honest admins we are always reading about). That means for every $100 put in, only $90 is left to be paid out. In other words, even if you played the Ponzi game perfectly your long term expectation is to lose $10 for every $100 you play, best case!
Your math here is 100% correct, however experience increases your chance to win in HYIPs far more than it ever can in Casino games.
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jarrettcomm
I know more on statistics than you will probably ever know, no offense. <--- Math major
I'll break it down simply for you. Best odds at a casino being generous is 50/50. My scam rate is far lower than half. So there you go, better odds here.
When you get past your remedial math classes, ask one of your professors about Expected Value Calculations. Your 50/50 comment is so ill informed it makes me wonder if a major shift should not be seriously considered before you run up a massive debt you will never pay off on a Barista's salary. 50/50 IS ONLY relevant if you play a game ONCE. And there is NO GAME IN A CASINO where the odds are 50/50, and to further bring the odds in the Casinos favor they put upper limits on the amount you can bet. This is for the sole purpose of preventing well financed Martingale players from winning.
Now, I am just a hillbilly in the woods, no real business experience, no money, debt up to my eyeballs, one paycheck from the streets. But despite all of those obvious handicaps if you take my back of the tabaccy pouch calculations to any of your math professors they will confirm what I just told you about Expected Value.
Since you are a math major and all, I thought I would let you see where you went wrong with your 50/50 . How to Calculate an Expected Value: 5 Steps - wikiHow
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littleroundman
we are not "arguing"
we are keeping you here spouting juvenile B/S as long as is possible so that readers can get an idea of what the HYIP ponzi "industry" is REALLY like
You mean it became too hard to argue. :RpS_wink:
I firmly believe that people who understand what it is "really like" are all the more tempted to participate.
Can't see why a simple conversation is impossible to have. Honestly the only one acting like a juvenile is you =/
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ribshaw
When you get past your remedial math classes, ask one of your professors about Expected Value Calculations. Your 50/50 comment is so ill informed it makes me wonder if a major shift should not be seriously considered before you run up a massive debt you will never pay off on a Barista's salary. 50/50 IS ONLY relevant if you play a game ONCE. And there is NO GAME IN A CASINO where the odds are 50/50, and to further bring the odds in the Casinos favor they put upper limits on the amount you can bet. This is for the sole purpose of preventing well financed Martingale players from winning.
You realize I was being generous about the 50/50 to further prove my point right? Saying that no game is 50/50 in the casino only further proves my argument. Your win/loss ratio could be 80/20, and I still earn more in the HYIP realm passively. See my point?
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jarrettcomm
You realize I was being generous about the 50/50 to further prove my point right? Saying that no game is 50/50 in the casino only further proves my argument. Your win/rate ratio could be 80/20, and I still earn more in the HYIP realm passively. See my point?
No, the only thing I see is you are very deficient in even a rudimentary understanding of statistics. Let's start with one more thing about calculating odds. You will often hear a "TRUE COIN" has the same odds of coming up heads and tails as it approaches infinity. With Ponzi you have no "True Coin", you are dealing with criminals, I have never met a criminal that put money in your pocket half the time. So at its most base level your point makes no sense.
But, I can't stay here all day, as LRM said, this form is for people who want to come and see what things are all about. They can read what you wrote, they can read what the rest of us wrote, and they can decide what they want to do with their money.
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ribshaw
They can read what you wrote, they can read what the rest of us wrote, and they can decide what they want to do with their money.
Exactly! I am just sharing my point of view.
And the whole "dealing with criminals" that you mentioned just sounds like giving up on disproving me =/
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jarrettcomm
Exactly! I am just sharing my point of view.
And the whole "dealing with criminals" that you mentioned just sounds like giving up on disproving me =/
Giving up, oh you are a silly one. If I knock a man out cold, I don't need to spend the next 15 minutes kicking his limp body. The only thing I am giving up on you is words, life and time will teach you all the lessons you need to know.