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Ad Surf Daily (ASD) and the crook named Andy Bowdoin
Although ASD and its owner,Thomas Anderson Bowdoin, Jr. have lost their civil Forfeiture case, they continue to appeal the court's decision. At one time or another, Bowdoin told the members of ASD that he will fight for the money will everything he had. Only problem was everything he had, he took from the members, including a condo, cars, personal watercraft, more cars, and an $800,000 building that was only really worth maybe $300K.
I bring this up mostly because the Appeals process is as silly and nonsensical as the Civil Forfeiture case, and they are asking for more time to file a case brief they have know was due for over a month! Idiots!!
Plus during the Civil case, Bowdoin and his co-conspirator family members started Ad View Global (AVG), which has also tanked; he may well also be involved in Ad Pay Daily, as the structure is virtually identical to ASD (although APD claims it is a new and wondrous business model).
This old con man cannot go to jail fast enough for most of the membership of ASD, and here is repeatedly stalls the legal process, spending hundreds of thousand of the money he stole to stay out of jail. I hope he and his liver spots rot in prison and soon!!
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Great topic Wizzy, thanks.
In some ways it's hard for anyone who wasn't "there" to understand what the fascination is with this case. Thomas "Andy" Bowdoin is a career con man who shifted from one scam to another in a furtive and seeming hopeless effort to make it big. But in his early seventies he finally started stealing enough money to stop leaching off his wife's flower shop earnings and had close to 100 million of other peoples dollars when the secret service closed him down in August of 2008.
There are any number of ways to dissect this case, with many valuable insights. Perhaps others will be along to lend their own. I see it as the triumph and downfall of Pavlov's dog. I didn't matter what the bell sounded like, if you feed someone regularly enough they will salivate any time you ring it. Andy was running a ponzi scheme, pure and simple but his real achievement was being able to keep it running long enough that it almost didn't matter what lies he told, people were still getting paid so anything he said was almost literally golden. The law caught up to him just a little before the laws of mathematics would have and because of that many of his psychologically conditioned followers blamed the government for closing the scam down. Enough so that even while Ad Surf Daily was losing it's court case Andy, and his family were able to open a clone of the program in Uruguay where they'd be safe from our evil government. Safe from our government maybe, safe from the laws of mathematics, never. It didn't last six months before they cut and ran taking any money they had with them.
It's truly unusual to see a scammer hold such loyalty from the people he has scammed. It is hard to admit our mistakes but until Andy led his followers off a second cliff in a single year he commanded a level of respect and devotion that defies exaggeration. It would almost be like if Bernie Madoff's victims marched on Washington demanding his freedom because if he was still investing their money they'd still be making 20% a year return on investment, at least on paper.
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The other issue about the Secret Service raid and subsequent Government action against Thomas Andy Bowdoin and AdSurfDaily that has made this so fascinating is that the ASD case will possibly set a legal precedent for the way that ponzi autosurfs are deal with by law enforcement in the future.
In spite of the successful prosecutions of 12 Daily Pro and CEP, the reach of the punishments dealt out by the courts and the government receivers was confined to the owners of the schemes and some minor clawbacks from major promoters. In addition the case was brought by the SEC for the sale of unregistered securities.
In the ASD case, the raid was made by the Secret Service, the civil case was brought by Federal Government on charges of money laundering, wire fraud and conspiracy. In addition the Federal Government is empowered to bring criminal charges. The c ivil forfeiture case is now closed and the monies that were recovered are in the hands of the US Government for eventual restitution to the victims of the ponzi scheme. However, the criminal case has still not been resolved. It is only when this happens that we will finally see the full extent to which the US Government is prepared to go to punish the participants of schemes like this.
Andy Bowdoin and his henchmen are going to extraordinary lengths to delay the inevitable - long prison sentences - and have already resorted to the most bizarre defences, supportedn by tax deniers and other assorted cranks. However there will be a day of reckoning in the criminal courts at the end of the day and then we will see how they are punished.
The civil trial of ASD has already had the effect of "pushing offshore" the next series of ponzi autosurfs. This is not legal if it involves promotion to US citizens and some participants of earlier schemes are waking up a little to the fact that this is not going to be the goose that lays the golden egg for much longer. Others are too hardened or deeply entrenched in the autosurf culture (or make too much money out of it) and a few are still in denial that they were caught out and conned by a pro (however unlikely he might seem to be).
There is one other issue that has also been the subject of discussion on some boards and blogs and that is the question of "who is behind" people like Bowdoin - who was certainly not the brightest crayon in the box in his previous career as a conman. Patrick Pretty has written a couple of articles about the Steroidal Puppeteers.
Our Theory Of The AdSurfDaily Case: Steroidal Puppeteers
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UPDATE: The Theory Of ‘Steroidal Puppeteers’
People like Andy Bowdoin are always the publicly known front men for the schemes that become well known and "successfull" but these people alone are not generally capable of achieving anything like the level of notoriaty that ASD and other like businesses have achieved.
ASD was pretty much undiscovered - it was described as "a sleeper" until it was "launched" onto the network marketing world and the internet public. Many other schemes never become publically known, but fly under the radar until they burn out, leaving the leaders in profit and the rest with losses.
It is suspected that, behind all these financially "successful" schemes is a group of people, possibly the same people on many ocassions who we never hear about or read about or hear from, but without whom the autosurf industry couldnt exist.
Now that the political climate towards ponzi schemes has changed and they are officially considered a public lacre, the dealing of the ASD case may set a precedent for the autosurf world that the Steroidal Puppeteers will not like one bit
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How long did you enjoy the fruits of Andy Bowdoin's labour's, Alasycia?
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uvbindun
How long did you enjoy the fruits of Andy Bowdoin's labour's, Alasycia?
Hmm, there aren't all that many ASD related trolls and even fewer still who try to stalk someone like Alasycia, are you "Uncle Festa" perhaps? I have more than one reason to believe you are and that's enough reason to add our name to the long list of sites that have banned you. However I would be flattered if you added me to your youtube slander channel, thanks.
(oh wait, this is the first chance I got to use my "ban hammer" smilie: :judge: )
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What an honor to be the one of the reasonbehind your first banner hammer smilie! lol I guess Fester has found us. Or maybe he has cloned himself.
Yes, most people who have been following the ASD drama are aware that, until the raid, I was one of their cheerleaders, of which I am thoroughly ashamed. I fell hook line and sinker for Uncle Andy's "sincere professionalism" (That was his image when he first started ASD. The onstage heroics and call to godliness were part of the second incarnation of ASD) The only source of relief I have is that I never took any money out and am not aware of anyone I recruited losing lots of money, but that is not much consolation.
However, thanks to fact that, like many others, I am capable of reading and understanding government charges, and also to the patience of many of the anti scammers who used to post on scam.dot.com, Patrick Pretty and others who really care about their work, it was not difficult to learn how and why ASD was in fact a ponzi. It was a necessary wake up call and a great learning curve and one that only reinforced my wish to stamp out all scams, and not just the ones I understood easily.
Unlike those who have never been scammed in their life, sometimes someone who has been on the receiving end is ocasionally better able to explain to those who are still victims or about to become victims what they are not seeing about a so called business.
One thing that has been a lesson has been this - insulting newbie victims of scams is not always the best path to educating them and protecting them for the future and is often counter productive. Better to assume they are ignorant of the real facts and educate them. This is especially true on public forums, where other victims and potential victims go to find out about a business. Belittling those people only makes anti scammers look mean and vindictive and casts serious doubt on their intentions to work against fraud, because even when they are right, their vicous tones makes them sound wrong.
The same recommendation does not, of course, apply to the professional leeches or ponzi wh*res who make a living out of promoting one after another scam. They are criminals and not victims and do not deserve respect on any forum or blog or in any other place they go.
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I was one of their cheerleaders, of which I am thoroughly ashamed. I fell hook line and sinker for Uncle Andy's "sincere professionalism"
I understand your feelings, but many of us do not view your experience as something shameful. We feel empathy and compassion.
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Unlike those who have never been scammed in their life, sometimes someone who has been on the receiving end is ocasionally better able to explain to those who are still victims or about to become victims what they are not seeing about a so called business.
This is certainly true.
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One thing that has been a lesson has been this - insulting newbie victims of scams is not always the best path to educating them and protecting them for the future and is often counter productive. Better to assume they are ignorant of the real facts and educate them. This is especially true on public forums, where other victims and potential victims go to find out about a business. Belittling those people only makes anti scammers look mean and vindictive and casts serious doubt on their intentions to work against fraud, because even when they are right, their vicous tones makes them sound wrong.
Well said. Bravo!
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Um, GlimDropper... Don't ever call me "Wizzy"..:RpS_mad:
I prefer "Omniscient One" or perhaps "Wizzardlyguy".. but never "Wizzy"
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My most profuse apologies oh great wanded one.
Never trifle in the affairs of wizzards,
it makes them soggy and hard to light.
Oh wait, or is it:
Please don't throw cigarettes in the urinals,
for they are subtle and quick to anger.
I hate it when I mix up my quotes.
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Will "The Great Erudite" do, Wizzy?
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Every scam has its apologists and its deniers. ASD has been especially marked by this phenomen.
This article by Patrick Pretty, which is an exclusive interview with his son, makes it abundantly clear that their protests, in spite of hard facts to the contrary, are unwarranted and inexcusable. His son explains that Bowdoin has been using religion and lies to con people all his life. Other family members have also pointed out that Bowdoin was not a buffoon, but a highly intelligent man without a conscience, which further corroborates the theory that he, along with others of his ilk, are sociopaths and dangerous.
Son Says AdSurfDaily’s Andy Bowdoin Used Religion To Fleece Masses And Disgraced Family Name; Huckster’s Scheming Dates Back To 1960s, Another Family Member Says; ‘He Has A Criminal Mind’
This is worth a read, not only to those following the ASD case, but to anyone who is interested in the type of people behind these financial scams.
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With the announcement the state of Florida has dropped its illegal pyramid charges against ASD has the die-hard faithful in a tither. Of course they got the info all messed up and claimed ASD had been cleared of being a Ponzi. Florida never claimed it was a Ponzi or had any charges filed saying so. So much for truth in advertising. The die-hards believe the feds will also throw in the towel soon, as Andy has then on the ropes with this Florida ruling. They also forgot that Florida dismissed it with prejudice meaning they can re-file this at any time they choose.
They also don't realize that the feds have not charged Andy or ASD with anything yet. All the current legal issues are civil and only deal with the asset seizure and forfeiture. But then the die-hards never did get anything right about the legal problems of ASD.
Like everyone else, I am waiting for the other shoe to drop, and find out who all will be criminally charged in the ASD case. I think there are going to be some jaws dropping at the names; at least I hope so. Just don't expect much until the appeal is heard in November and a ruling is made. Then expect things to really heat up. Come Thanksgiving, we might all have something to be really grateful for to give thanks.
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And just in from another thread.
http://www.realscam.com/f20/asd-remi...-301/#post4297
It looks like the opportunists are starting to come out of the woodwork and we have the first of many people trying to cash in on the ASD remission program - to scam the already scammed.?
The only site for retrieving any money lost to ASD is the official Government Remissions Agent
Official ASD Remission Site
the Agents are Rust Consulting, Inc. and have been apointed by the US Gov to handled the remissions. Noone else has been named at present,.
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The official remissions site for Ad Surf Daily doesn't work. It comes up as an error.
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Donna
The official remissions site for Ad Surf Daily doesn't work. It comes up as an error.
Strange, it works for me:
www.adsurfdailyremission.com
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Well, Andy Bowdoin was arrested today and had five counts of wire fraud, one count of securities fraud, and one count of unlawful sale of unregistered securities. If convicted, Bowdoin faces a maximum sentence of 125 years in prison and fines of up to $6,260,000.
Now we hope the major pimps of this scam will also be arrested and charged with a misprision of a felony. Hopefully it won't be long until they are. I bet there are some pimps shaking in their collective boots with this news today. So much for all the charges being dropped and Andy has the feds on the run.
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Awesome news that we are also celebrating over here!
Soapboxmom
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Excellent news Eagle. It is to be hoped that the next series of arrests are not far behind.
If he is not bailed, Bowdoin will probably eat better on Christmas Day, thanks to the US Prison Service, than some of his victims
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Here's a link to the Release Order and the conditions Andy must abide by:
http://assets00.grou.ps/0F2E3C/wysiw...sojqd/Doc3.pdf
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It would be good to believe that Thomas "Andy" Bowdoin gave a flying rat's a$$ for the terms of his bail.
Unfortunately, that is difficult. His credentials as a God fearing American are questionable. And that is putting it kindly.
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And not surprising to most of us, the "ASD Group" who filed all of those 'Motions to Intervene' in the ASD forfeiture case are now associated with a nonsensical claim filed in the Court of Claims, a complaint by Oesch and Leaming, asking for a penalty of $29.44 TRILLION dollars. I know, I didn't believe it either, but it's true.
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Wizzard7
asking for a penalty of $29.44 TRILLION dollars. I know, I didn't believe it either, but it's true.
I wonder if they'd settle their case for a measly 10 million or so.
snort !!!!
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These idiots would probably settle for their filing fee back. and then claim a major victory over the illegal US fraudsters.
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In the you can not make this up category comes this absolutely hilarious piece of news: The judge assigned the criminal trial for Andy Bowdoin is none other than, drum roll please.......Judge Rosemary Collyer. Not kidding. The same judge Andy said was 'incompetent, was bribed, and corrupt' when she was assigned to hear his Evidentiary hearing.
Wanna bet that Andy's lawyers do everything they can to try to get a different judge? LOL! What poetic justice!
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Just a small bump to mention the preliminary motions in Andy's criminal trail are underway. Wizard7 is running a blog to keep us up to date. (Link) He's also being kind enough to make the case files available to those of us without a Pacer account. (link)
Thanks man. :)
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Most Welcome, Glim Dropper. I also want to add a small editorial post below; Patrick will soon publish a new article for his blog regarding the newly filed case documents.It seems Andy's lawyers are going to prove ASD does not pass the "Howey Test".
Well, folks, it seems Andy and his crack team of legal minds have finally filed their Motion to move the trial somewhere besides DC and Judge Collyer’s courtroom. They are only 13 days late. And just when you though it couldn’t get any more bizarre, the Motion was notarized by Judy Harris. Yes, folks, I said Judy Harris, Andy’s daughter-in-law, and co-conspirator in AVGA.
One of the reasons they use is that a trial in DC would cause Saint Uncle Andy “financial hardship” because the trial would last 6 weeks at least and possibly cost him around $51,000 in expenses. ARE THEY SERIOUS?? Andy has millions offshore, maybe more stashed around in cash and he is playing the financial hardship card??
What about the countless people he scammed, taking their life savings, their children’s college funds, and all hope for the future. If this shows nothing else, it proves Andy is, was, and always will be looking out for Andy alone. He also claims he and his wife are suffering from poor health. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for you Andy, not after the things you have done while in this same poor health!! It didn’t stop you then, why should it be a reason now??
They also filed a Motion to Dismiss the case, which will certainly be denied. And the fun begins….
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Thanks for the heads up Wizzard, Patrick has the article you mentioned up now:
URGENT >> BULLETIN >> MOVING: Accused Fraudster Andy Bowdoin Enters Defense That Could Provide Legal Cover For Autosurf Ponzi Schemes If He Wins Case; ASD Operator Claims Business Model Stands Up To ‘Howey Test’ Scrutiny
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BULLETIN: In an argument that almost certainly will give comfort to operators of some of the most corrupt and insidious businesses on the Internet, AdSurfDaily President Andy Bowdoin has advised a federal judge that his company and business practices are legitimate because they stand up to scrutiny when the “Howey Test” is applied.
The full article is available on Patrick's blog.
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I can hardly wait for the AUSA's to respond to the recent filings by Andy and his defense team. As soon as I see it,. I'll let you know.
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Well, the response to Andy's Motions are in and fairly lengthy. I have uploaded them here: Files website.
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Nothing like having your defense comprehensively rebutted by virtue of your own words and actions being used against you, is there, Mr Bowdoin ???
Not that I think for one minute it will alter Bowdoins' tactic of using any means possible to delay the inevitable.
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Another Guenther Is Coming:
Thanks again to Wizzard7 for his ASD related file site, today's addition is Tod Disner's "ASD Justice" call. Well worth a listen. Tod is a long time ASD stalwart and participant in at least two other ponzi schemes and he and his long time legal adviser "Dwight" are soliciting donations for (yet another) third party litigation effort to get the seized funds back from the government. Basically they are purposing Bob Guenther's ASDMBA version two and much like the original the only people to profit from it will be Tod and his lawyer.
Now honestly I think Bob's lawyer was a scumbag acting with very questionable legal ethics but he was at least honest enough to give his full name, I'm about half way through the call and so far Dwight's last name hasn't been mentioned. It appears that Dwight's key legal argument will be to attack the validity of the seizure but what I don't understand is why fight this in Florida courts rather than the federal venue where Andy's criminal trial is being held. Dwight also makes the same mistake that Bob used as a sales pitch for the ASDMBA, that the funds the government took were the members monies rather than Andy's. The implication being that if the seizure is somehow found to be flawed the money will go back to the members which is not only not legally correct but anyone following this case knows ASD's records are so completely screwed up it's doubtful a complete list of who is owed and how much exists. Dwight also is in error when he claims that undeposited checks made out to ASD and seized by the government should have been returned rather than pooled with the other seized funds.
The only small lack of a red flag on the call is the stated goal of pooling about $10,000 to fund the effort. If all they're angling for is 10 grand then I might suspect that Dwight is just a fairly incompetent lawyer and not an outright con man. But I rather doubt Tod and Dwight will be any more transparent with any funds they collect than Bob and Larry were. So if nothing else Dwight (no last name) esquire is drumming up some billable hours on a case he has no excuse for not knowing is hopeless. Just like Bob and Larry.
I'm almost all the way through the call and so far none of the (estimated) 170 people on the call has had the wit to ask Dwight's full name, but they all fell for Andy Bowdoin's sales pitch, what's one more scam to fall for? Dwight is "guarantying" refunds with only a mild backtrack, he's going to make himself some money at the expense of Andy's victims.
[Edit: Dwight's last name is eventually given, it's Schweitzer.]
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Dwight Owen Schweitzer is an interesting man, but I don't think he's registered to practice law in the state of Florida. The Florida Bar Associations members search page lists six Schweitzer's and Dwight isn't one of them. Dwight gave out his e-mail during the call, using that as a search term I found a link giving his middle name and the also to a few of his own self published press releases like this one. So I am confident that the "Dwight" on the call is Dwight Owen Schweitzer and that would make this one of his blogs. That, coupled with his myspace page firmly establish his history in the state of Connecticut, which makes it rather highly likely that the Dwight Owen Schweitzer in this Hartford Judicial District Reprimand is the same one selling his legal services to Andy's victims. From which I quote:
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Rule 7.5(a) of the Rules of Professional Conduct states: "[a] lawyer shall not
use.. .letterhead...that violates Rule 7.1 ". Rule 7.1 states "A lawyer shall not make a false
or misleading communication about the lawyer or the lawyer's services. A communication
is false or misleading· if it. ..omits a fact necessary to make the statement considered as a
whole not materially misleading." IIi this case, the Respondent submitted letterhead to the
judge, which identified the Respondent as an attorney and counselor at law, licensed solely
in the state of Counecticut. The Respondent omitted the fact that his license has been
suspended since 2003. We find the fact that the Respondent's license was suspended to be
a fact necessary to make the statement that the Respondent had a· Connecticut license not
materially misleading. The orirission of said fact was materially misleading in violation of
Rule 7.1.
On the call I'm not sure Dwight ever called himself a lawyer but he did strongly give that impression and if he did he did so in error. An error he's been reprimanded for making in the past.
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More professional misconduct from Mr.Schweitzer:
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At that time the Respondent (Schweitzer) asked the Complainant for a loan of twenty-four thousand dollars ($24,000.00). The Complainant agreed to loan the Respondent twenty-four thousand dollars ($24,000.00). The Complainant endorsed the thirty thousand dollar ($30,000.00) check. The Respondent cashed the thirty thousand dollar ($30,000.00) check, retained twenty-four thousand dollars ($24,000.00) for himself, and forwarded the balance to the Complainant.
The Respondent drafted a promissory note and executed it to the benefit of the Complainant. The Respondent did not, however, advise the Complainant in writing that the Complainant should consider seeking the advice of independent counsel regarding the transaction. The Respondent has not complied with the terms of the promissory note.
This reviewing committee finds the following violation of the Rules of Professional Conduct by clear and convincing evidence:
The Complainant and the Respondent had an attorney-client relationship. The Respondent entered into a loan transaction with the Complainant without advising the Complainant in writing that he should consider seeking the advice of independent counsel in the transaction. The Respondent’s failure to advise the Complainant that he should consider seeking the advice of independent counsel in the loan transaction constitutes a violation of Rule 1.8(a)(2) of the Rules of Professional Conduct. Accordingly, we order that the Respondent be presented to the Superior Court for the imposition of whatever discipline the court may deem appropriate.
(The note in bold is my addition to the original quoted section.)
The loan was made in 1997, the grievance was filed in 2001. I wonder what the terms of the loan were?
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Glim, his full name (as far as I can tell) is Dwight Owen Schweitzer. He seems to be a "former attorney", late of Connecticut and presently residing in Miami, the home town of the Disners. Todd's brother Bruce popped into the call to make some sort of a point, if only so people knew he was there. Sadly, the full call (all 1.5 hours of it) wouldn't upload all at once (86 meg) so I broke it down.
Another point made by these two is that ASD is a viable business model and ASD will be coming back.. Todd apparently has a direct line to Bowdoin, he mentioned a few times that he and Andy stay in contact. He also regurgitated the "fact" that Cowden, Taylor and the government knew they made a mistake, Andy is innocent, but they are too scared to admit the truth!! It didn't make any sense when posted on the now defunct "Surfs Up" forum, and it hasn't gained any credence so far. But, they seemed to get the participants lathered up and ready to buy more Ad Packs.
Absolutely amazing..... :RpS_huh:
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An estimated 170 "true believers" out of an estimated 100,000 "members"
Not what one would call an army of defenders.
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LRM, the numbers involved may sound small, but when you consider that some of these people have access to tens of thousands more, through the use of Facebook, forums like AdlandPro where naysayers have no voice, and email lists, then the minority and its reach become larger. There are many victims who have no awareness of the online debate that has been going on Patrick Pretty's blog, scam dot com (in its day) and here. They only know about the email received from their upline telling them about the injustice created by the government and the Rust letter - if they received that.
A minority but a very insidious one. Having said that, it is quite extraordinary to think that there are a group of adults who honestly believe in the nonsense spouted by Disner (and Bowdoin).The issue of Dotson was, if I recall, already dealt with by the courts way back, as has the issue of "Our Money". As Glim rightly says, can any one say "Bob Guenther"?
On the subject of the Governments counter motion, Bowdoin's claims to ill health have been neatly rebutted.. His and his wife's health were not an impediment when they were travelling all over the States on rallies, or making trips down to Costa Rica (and maybe even Uruguay). Washington is far more accessible to the majority of the Government witnesses and Bowdoin cannot plead poverty when he has acknowledged the existence of considerable funds offshore and has been spending fortunes on legal fees.
It is to be hoped that Judge Collyer treats these new motions, and Bowdoin's latest with the brevity and elegance with which she has treated the rest of the previous "legal" ramblings and gives them a firm NO in as short a space of time as possible.
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alasycia
LRM, the numbers involved may sound small, but when you consider that some of these people have access to tens of thousands more, through the use of Facebook, forums like AdlandPro where naysayers have no voice, and email lists, then the minority and its reach become larger.
I agree with you entirely, WRT the potential reach of the "170"
Fortunately,for all the genuine victims of this low life fraudster, whether there be 170, 1700 or 170,000 involved, reality says all the huffing and puffing, all the side issues and all the attempted scams within scams have not made one skerrick of difference.
Not one thing has panned out any different than it was always going to.
Things may be progressing slower than the TV generation may like, but NOTHING has been uncovered thus far which in any way contradicts the prosecutions' stated position.
In fact, on the contrary, IM(very)HO, Bowdoin is in a far worse position today than he was in August 2008.
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First off, Howdy alasycia. :)
The more I think about Mr.Disner's "Justice" call the more depressing I find it. Two and a half years later Andy still has a faithful core falling for the same pack of lies. Dwight Schweitzer first joined the call from an open line and needed to call back in from a line that wouldn't be muted with all the riff raff. In the pause while Dwight called back in Todd, filling space and buoying the faithful said:
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I'm pretty excited about it, I'm getting deeper into the innards of what happened. I've been talking to Andy and some of the leaders that are close to Andy and there are some very positive feelings about Ad Surf Daily right now. Of course we're going after this, we're competing with the government so it's going to be very iffy. But we know we're right so that's going to prevail.
That could have been posted in the "Surf's Up" forum two years ago. So little has changed and for some people, so little was learned.
As to Mr.Schweitzer, first of all to the best of my efforts I can find nowhere that he is licensed to practice law. He makes it clear that, after he gets enough donations he'll file his case against the government seizure pro se. I've been discussing this with our friends over at Quatloos and the informed opinion shared there is confirming my natural cynicism. He can no longer work as an attorney, he had been working as an editor but after he sued his last publisher he doesn't seem to have been hired in that field either. He's recently been posting his rather lengthy resume on free job sites like postjobfree -dot- com, suffice it to say that he seems to be having trouble finding employment commensurate with his employment background.
I'll be the first to say that, much like Mr.Schweitzer I am not an attorney (thought he at one point was) but I've heard thousands of scam sales pitches. In my humble opinion Mr.Schweitzer's participation on that call is nearly indistinguishable from one of them. He might sincerely believe all he said on that call which could clearly explain why he's no longer licensed to practice law but too much of what was said on the call cut too many factual corners to be taken seriously. And that's the problem, people are going to get taken here, all the donations will be collected and the checks will be cashed. But like Bob Guenther's ASDMBA the only people who will benefit are the people collecting the donations.
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Re: Ad Surf Daily (ASD) and the crook named Andy Bowdoin
Thanks for posting the link to Quatloos. It is an excellent discussion of the situation and leaves the issues very clear. It is a pity that many of the victims, especially those who had never ventured into any online venture before, will never read it nor this forum nor any other intelligent explanation of what they really got into.
One can only hope that people have enough common sense not to fall for the latest in the line of people out to scam the already scammed.
The sooner that Judge Collyer pronounces the better for them
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Re: Ad Surf Daily (ASD) and the crook named Andy Bowdoin
It appears that Andy's lawyers have replied to the AUSA's response to the Motions to Dismiss and Change Venue. As expected, they made the same argument in the reply as they did in the original motions.
I have posted the new documents (25 & 26) along with the current docket report on the Files site