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TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
TimTech is a group of traffic exchanges where advertising scams like Fred Mann's JustBeenPaid is allowed on at lest two (ILove Hits and Adlanpro Traffic Exchange. It seems that there is news about RS having attacked programs of this nature and their grapevine is buzzing.
Quote from one of Van Beenkom's forums in Scamlandpro where she promotes her scam programs on a daily basis. Kathleen's review of We RealScummers. WeRealScummers.
VanBeenkom's Concept of Business Sites.
Quote from VanBeenkom's first review of RS.
"I'm in a live webinar right now with dozens of people, and it seems that the RealScum crew has tried to target TimTech because I posted about this great company in my other forum here at Adlandpro.
Now the entire traffic-exchange community is aware of the realscum idiocy and their habit of just targeting whoever they feel like, especially if I mention a company here at Adlandpro. How ridiculous, as usual.
TimTech is an excellent company run by excellent people who've all been in business online for over 10 years or more.
Who are the RealScum again? Two women who've been ejected from ALP because of rule-breaking, plus an Ebay thief, and a woman who's a moderator at RS who was held in contempt of court several years ago and had to pay a $3,000 fine. Think about it. No governance over scam-discussion sites, it's all opinionated poo."
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
Quote from another of VanBeenkom's RealSum review
"Who are the RealScum again? Two women who've been ejected from ALP because of rule-breaking, plus an Ebay thief, and a woman who's a moderator at RS who was held in contempt of court several years ago and had to pay a $3,000 fine. Think about it. No governance over scam-discussion sites, it's all opinionated poo."
I was not thrown out of Adland for rule breaking. My membership was terminated when Scamland admin saw one of my web sites and those people whom I mentioned on the site disliked the content.
My Adlandpro web site
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
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Originally Posted by
path2prosperity
TimTech is a group of traffic exchanges where advertising scams like Fred Mann's JustBeenPaid is allowed on at lest two (ILove Hits and Adlanpro Traffic Exchange. It seems that there is news about RS having attacked programs of this nature and their grapevine is buzzing.
Quote from one of Van Beenkom's forums in Scamlandpro where she promotes her scam programs on a daily basis. Kathleen's review of We RealScummers.
WeRealScummers.
VanBeenkom's Concept of Business Sites.
Quote from VanBeenkom's first review of RS.
"I'm in a live webinar right now with dozens of people, and it seems that the RealScum crew has tried to target TimTech because I posted about this great company in my other forum here at Adlandpro.
Now the entire traffic-exchange community is aware of the realscum idiocy and their habit of just targeting whoever they feel like, especially if I mention a company here at Adlandpro. How ridiculous, as usual.
TimTech is an excellent company run by excellent people who've all been in business online for over 10 years or more.
Who are the RealScum again? Two women who've been ejected from ALP because of rule-breaking, plus an Ebay thief, and a woman who's a moderator at RS who was held in contempt of court several years ago and had to pay a $3,000 fine. Think about it. No governance over scam-discussion sites, it's all opinionated poo."
How come I didnt get a mention?-----------Im really offended!
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
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Earl Lee Tobed
How come I didnt get a mention?-----------Im really offended!
I missed out, too.
Like you, I'm really offensive.
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
Since when did "online marketing" deteriorate into promoting get-rich-quick schemes to fellow promoters of get-rich-quick schemes ??
As if REAL online marketers have the slightest concern about forums which expose those who would drag their industry into disrepute.
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
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Originally Posted by
Earl Lee Tobed
How come I didnt get a mention?-----------Im really offended!
Perhaps you would get a mention if you joined ILoveHits and accepted the invitation to be informed about the free offers and services offered by one of the Tim Tech owners Jon Olsen.
You joined Fred Mann's crew to discover what "benefits" you could obtain from Fred Mann'sJustBeenPaid or JSSTripler
Now is your chance to meet what could be the largest nest of Fred Mann promoters on the net along with the owner of ILoveHits who showed his nose in RS to defend his program and ignored comments about Fred Mann or porn promotion on Adlandpro.
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
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littleroundman
I missed out, too.
They are waiting in the wings for a stab at you LRM. "Beware The Ides of March."
You described TimTech as shady which incensed Jon Olson but it looks as if VanBeenkom is too small a TimTech member to draw any attention from him. I have been searching through old documents and disks to try to find out more about the origins of I love Hiits. I joined on Feb 2nd 2003 under Michael Russel from MAPAM. I have been asking questions about MPAM for a long time and got no answers. This man could have been an opportunist who saw a short term money spinner and dropped it but if he is still around and part of TimTech, he is above the radar now.
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
It is interesting to read what VanBeenkom has to say about JonOlson and other TimTech owners have to say about their respect for Adlandpro.
I quote VanBeenkom. spouting of about other traffic exchange owners HERE
"Even the TimTech guys know Adlandpro is legendary, and anyone who doesn't like Adlandpro or doesn't recognize the greatness here, doesn't know what they're talking about...RS and the haters there don't know what they're talking about, regarding ANYTHING in online marketing. "
Compare VanBeenkom's statement about what Jon Olson has to say about Adlandpro, when he made his RS debut in THIS RS THREAD. Jon Olson says that he knows nothing about Adlandpro whatsoever and that his only concern is running his own ship.
VanBeenkom could have upset Jon Olson by making statements about him which are in direct opposition to his own words in RS.
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
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Originally Posted by
Earl Lee Tobed
How come I didnt get a mention?-----------Im really offended!
Darn!:crying_2: You are just not as famous as we are, we love to hate you know!
Kathleen you are still lying through your fingers and you expect people to believe you anymore!!??? You are pointing fingers at the ones who are telling the world all your promotions are SCAMS, FRAUD, PYRAMID SCHEMES and any and all other 'programs' you can latch onto to steal money from other people. RS will not suffer from anything you have to say.
Keep promoting SCAM and it will be reported in RS.
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
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"I'm in a live webinar right now with dozens of people, and it seems that the RealScum crew has tried to target TimTech because I posted about this great company in my other forum here at Adlandpro.
She NEVER exaggerates either!!!
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
I see the big/little BULLY Jimbo has joined her to use his famous word "Blowhard".
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
She is fighting back at RealScam but she is not brave enough to join us here to do it!!
And we have helped EZW??? Anyone believe that in a positive way?
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
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scratchycat
She is fighting back at RealScam but she is not brave enough to join us here to do it!!
And we have helped EZW??? Anyone believe that in a positive way?
Certainly isn't proven by the numbers she claims. lol. Liars continually lie. It's what she does best.
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
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scratchycat
I see the big/little BULLY Jimbo has joined her to use his famous word "Blowhard".
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I noticed that scratchy. Kathleen has only one supporter in that forum, Jimbo who still promotes free groceries in his Scamland profile. Strange that none of their friends are backing them against RS.
I bet Jon Olson and the TimTech team ar not happy with Katleen speaking for them. Jon Olson claims to have no knowledge of Scamland and Kathleen says the opposite.
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
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Originally Posted by
littleroundman
Since when did "online marketing" deteriorate into promoting get-rich-quick schemes to fellow promoters of get-rich-quick schemes ??
As if REAL online marketers have the slightest concern about forums which expose those who would drag their industry into disrepute.
I have been asking that for many years LRM. I learned the meaning of marketing from somebody who was a marketing manager for tea bags and got them on the market as an alternative to loose leaf tea. I think it was Tetley for whom he worked. If not it was the first big company to launch tea bags in UK. This man knew what he was talking about and gave seminars.
I tried to learn a very different form of "Internet marketing" from Michael Russel the founder of MPAM. He called it his Massive Passive Advertising Program. Was he a founding father of mass produced crap advertising? He is the only one I know.
Michael's methods were. 1) Join all his recommended traffic exchanges including ILoveHits and Adlandpro. 2) Join Worldwide Promoter and blast out ads to all and sundry. 3) Join all his recommended banner exchanges. 4)Join all his recommended currency exchangers. 5) Join all his recommended FFA free for all advertising pages. 6) Join all his recommended safe lists.
Last lesson was stop complaining and upgrade your memberships to the paid version. What has become of Michael Russel and MPAM? I have asked that question on many forums. Please help find the answer to that puzzle.
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
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Whip
Certainly isn't proven by the numbers she claims. lol. Liars continually lie. It's what she does best.
I agree with that one!!
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
This thread is funny.
The answer to the thread title comes down to whether scam enablers are any better than the scamsters themselves.
And as anyone who has been online and around the "internet marketing" (IM) scene for more than a few weeks knows, traffic exchanges (TEs) are for the most part just scam enablers.
Anyone who doubts this just needs to join a few random TEs and surf for awhile.
TEs are useless for anyone seeking to grow a "legitimate" business. TEs just "funnel" noobs looking for a way to "make money online" into the arms of various web fraudsters and other programs that relieve the noobs of their money without giving them anything to show for it.
The only folks who benefit from TEs are the owners who, in recent years at least, use the "free" membership TEs offer as a means of building their own list of suckers to whom they can flog their own or their pal's useless "internet marketing" tools, and the fraudsters whose programs comprise the majority of the pages advertised in TEs.
And these same owners know that TEs are useless and won't in any way help most of the IM noobs who use them but, of course that's not what they tell the noobs.
So the question becomes, are TE owners any less a scamster than the out and out fraudsters whose programs, e.g., "Earn $10,000 per month while you're sleeping", make up a bulk of the traffic in their exchanges?
And are they any less a scamster for selling credits, etc.for a service that they know won't in any way provide a benefit to most who use it ... and that they know is largely used by IM noobs seeking the "make money online" holy grail that 99% will never find?
Jon Olson's an ex-MPAM guy who likes to present himself as a "good ol boy" who made the jump from pizza making to online "success" ... though in his telling, this was only after much hard work and "learning" on his part.
Most of his "pals" have the same story, i.e., minimum wage worker who "made it good online" and after much hard work (supposedly) achieved the "six figure income" so often referred to on IM scam pages.
The only difference between Jon Olson, Tim Linden, etc. and the top level IM fraudsters is that they either have some shred of conscience left that for the most part keeps them from crossing the Kern, Filsaime, etc. "I'd sell my mother for $5 ... but get in soon because there's only one of her" ... top dog fraudster line or they don't want to end up in the slammer ... as Kern, Filsaime, etc. likely will at some point.
But neither has any problem selling services and products they know ... because they're sharp guys ... won't benefit the IM noobs who use them and they ... or at least Olson ... have no problem telling folks who see no "results" from those free or paid services that it's because they didn't "work hard enough", yadda, yadda, yadda ... the same lines used by top dog MLM type fraud artists for countless years.
Olson at least makes an effort to explain that he doesn't allow doubler, tripler, etc. ponzi schemes on his TE ... though apparently after many years in the IM world he still doesn't feel comfortable enough to decide whether what most with a minimal amount of knowledge of IM could easily identify as a pyramid scheme is legit or not.
Which perhaps isn't surprising given that if all the scam pages were removed from TEs, there'd be little or nothing left to surf ... and no noob IM folks left to "funnel" in TE owner programs or buy useless "marketing" tools promoted by the owner or inner circle of buds.
So are the "Tim Tech" guys any better than the fraudsters whose "programs" make up the bulk of their TE content?
Guess that's a matter of personal opinion.
Re: "I bet Jon Olson and the TimTech team ar not happy with Katleen speaking for them.",
I'd guess Olson definitely isn't happy. Might conflict with his carefully contrived persona of "pizza boy made good on the web" as "legitimate businessman" who "cares about his (IM noob sucker) clients".
Definitely won't appreciate too many "Jon Olson" related comments on "realscam.com" type sites.
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
Couldn't agree more with you, Robert, and welcome to REALSCAM.com
IM(very)HO, people are carefully steered into looking into the wrong end of the problem.
i.e. the "Kathleen Vanbeekoms' of the world, rather than the traffic exchanges themselves, which for the most part are thinly disguised variations of the totally discredited "autosurf" fraud.
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
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littleroundman
Couldn't agree more with you, Robert, and welcome to
REALSCAM.com
IM(very)HO, people are carefully steered into looking into the wrong end of the problem.
i.e. the "Kathleen Vanbeekoms' of the world, rather than the traffic exchanges themselves, which for the most part are thinly disguised variations of the totally discredited "autosurf" fraud.
Thanks littleroundman.
Just want to point out ... because eventually someone will show up to say this ... that the kind of illegal ponzi schemes that some used cheap autosurf ... and maybe manual surf ... scripts to set up is not what the TimTech folks are in to.
The TimTech TEs follow the traditional TE model, i.e., surf for credits or, if you don't want to surf, buy credits.
The question, for me at least, is whether these folks are any better than the scammers whose programs make up the majority of the pages on their exchanges ... or rather are just scam enablers who further profit by selling credits to em IM noobs for services they're well aware won't produce results for the majority of these folks and also using their "membership" as a list to flog their and their pal's useless "marketing tools" and services to these same noobs.
In my opinion, they're no better than snake oil salesmen selling a product that they know won't deliver the benefits claimed ... and then exacerbating the problem by exposing relatively innocent, and often desperate, folks looking for the fabled "six figure online income" to even more snake oil salesmen being advertised on their exchange(s).
My own view is that the web ... and many of the folks who've lost a lot pursuing the, to say the least, illusive dream of a "six figure online income" ... would have been better off if guys like Olson had stuck to making pizzas ... though that wouldn't have provided some of these guys with the same "sit on your fat ass playing video games most of the day" lifestyle that at least a few seem to enjoy.
But, it's just a matter of opinion ... and conscience ... I guess.
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
Yep,
I think your last sentence says it all:
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But, it's just a matter of opinion ... AND CONSCIENCE... I guess.
IM(very)HO it's entirely synergistic.
None of the contributors are solely responsible for the problem.
Likewise, none of them are totally innocent of contributing to, if not creating, the problem.
And, it IS a problem.
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
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littleroundman
IM(very)HO it's entirely synergistic.
None of the contributors are solely responsible for the problem.
Likewise, none of them are totally innocent of contributing to, if not creating, the problem.
And, it IS a problem.
I agree completely.
I've been cruising around the web since the days before Internet Explorer.
In the late 90's, I, like many, became interested in the "make money online" stuff.
Which eventually led me to the MLM pyramid schemes of the day ... though I didn't recognize these as "pyramid schemes" at the time ... and the few traffic exchanges that then existed.
Surprisingly enough, lol, I didn't make a dime from my involvement with either and after that my interest in "making money online" sort of came and went through the years. Every now and then, I'd drop back into that world for a time, then drift back out ... basically because the time I had to put into my real world employment and family didn't allow for the time and effort required to earn a , in my view, "legitimate" income from my online activities or even adequately learn how this could be done.
But every time I came back, what many referred to as "IM" seemed to me to be increasingly scuzzy.
Or as you put it in an earlier post "Since when did "online marketing" deteriorate into promoting get-rich-quick schemes to fellow promoters of get-rich-quick schemes ??"
I never became significantly involved in that kind of IM because for me at least, it was crossing a line I didn't want to cross, i.e., knowingly lying to often desperate people to relieve them of what little cash they may have had.
And I think that's what a lot of so-called IM has become ... and it's good to to have forums like this to hopefully save some with a "make money online" dream from falling into the clutches of folks who have no problem at all taking cash from them for products and services that won't do squat to fulfill any dreams/fantasies they may have about "gaining financial freedom" by their, mostly futile, IM activities.
Because, as I think most who frequent this forum know, the majority of these folks won't make a dime online from their IM related activities. Most are more likely to end up losing what little money they have and end up feeling like a failure after becoming involved with various IM hucksters ... who of course have no problem telling these people that their failure to earn anything from the huckster's "program", or whatever, is a result of their not "working hard enough" or "not being willing to invest enough in their own future" or any of the many other lines IM and MLM scammers use to deflect from the fact that their "program" is a fraud and only a select number of participants, ie., the scammer and their associates, were ever going to make money.
And those who don't outright fail are eventually going to come to the "line" they need to cross to make any money online ... which in many cases will involve them choosing to be scam artists themselves and knowingly defraud IM noobs by selling services and "products" that the scammer knows are useless.
I tend to think (or hope) that most people give up and walk away at this point. But some will forge ahead knowing that what they're doing is immoral and/or illegal ... and in some cases convincing themselves that the snake oil they're peddling actually has some value to the poor saps buying it.
And to my mind that's where, and I'm being generous here, folks like the "TimTech" cabal are at.
You either convince yourself that you're a "legitimate businessman" selling a marginally useful product or you accept the fact that your product is largely useless and for the most part a device to enable various web scammers to peddle their wares and just live with that ... because of course you have to "feed you family" etc. ... or you just go back to a minimum wage real world job.
I'd guess that most involved with TimTech have gone the "convince yourself you're a legitimate businessman" route ... which for Tim Linden may be marginally true because he does have some web programming skills.
But, it's hard to say ... some might be more in the "I know this is crap but, I'll sell it anyway" frame of mind.
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
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Originally Posted by Robert Puddy
But, it's hard to say ... some might be more in the "I know this is crap but, I'll sell it anyway" frame of mind.
Oh, I don't think there's any doubt there now exists a whole subculture of people to whom "greed IS good" and whose mantra is "as long as I get mine"
AND there's yet another subculture of "Kathleen Vanbeekom" type people who don't even need a tangible product (crap or otherwise) to sell.
I tend to believe "a lie by deliberate omission is still a lie" and it's not possible to be "a little bit" pregnant.
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Originally Posted by
littleroundman
Oh, I don't think there's any doubt there now exists a whole subculture of people to whom "greed IS good" and whose mantra is "as long as I get mine"
AND there's yet another subculture of "Kathleen Vanbeekom" type people who don't even need a tangible product (crap or otherwise) to sell.
I tend to believe "a lie by deliberate omission is still a lie" and it's not possible to be "a little bit" pregnant.
I agree with you.
My view is that the TimTech guys and many other in the TE "industry" are very much aware that most or pretty much all of the stuff being "surfed" in their traffic exchanges are scams ... with the remainder being folks trying to build a a list or a "downline" in other traffic exchanges.
I don't think anyone surfing a traffic exchange is likely to see many pages from folks trying to make a legitimate online business, e.g., aunt Sara's home made quilts.
Guys like Olson don't care about the fact that their TE is mostly filled with scam pages ... it is, as you put it, just a matter of "as long as I get mine" and not caring who gets hurt in the process ... though of course they go out of their way to project a phony "care about my members" concern.
So you get the "I'm an honest person and if I wasn't why would I give you my real name" and the "Ive been on the internet for 12years ... so I mus be honest" spiel.
Typical web scam stuff ... but unfortunately most IM noobs don't catch onto this.
They just see the "good ol boy" who made it good on the web and can show them ... for a price .. how to do it themselves, i.e., just become a sociopath who has no problem screwing people who are desperate enough to believe their goal to make a "six figure" income online is attainable through relatively honest means.
Of course the "how to do it themselves" "mentoring" will usually come down to "lie to everyone".
The problem with guys like Olson is that for the most part they don't participate in egregious scams ... they just enable others to scam ... so they don't often end up being discussed on forums like this and year after year are able to sell useless services that enable scammers, while maintaining their, for example, "I'm just a jolly traffic guy" type persona.
And yes, folks like this play a big part in the "web scammer" problem ... but for he most part, their hands remain (to the casual observer) clean ... or at least to IM noobs who don't know any better.
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Welcome to RS Robert. I am absolutely delighted that we have a new member from the MPAM era. Was Michael Russel a con artist or a guy who spotted an easy way to make money without spending any. I would be delighted to see a new thread about MPAM as he was my mentor in "Internet Marketing," which I firmly believed was nothing to do with marketing when I came online. I gave his methods serious consideration and found them wanting
I started threads in RS and or WLD asking how reproducing mass produced sales spiel became known as Internet Marketing. Michael Russel was one who perpetuated the idea but Corey Rudl who inspired BoggyBoy Fiedur from Scamlandpro seems to be the biggest legend and success in the field of "internet Marketing" today.
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
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Originally Posted by
Robert Puddy
Olson at least makes an effort to explain that he doesn't allow doubler, tripler, etc. ponzi schemes on his TE .
Re: "I bet Jon Olson and the TimTech team ar not happy with Katleen speaking for them.", I'd guess Olson definitely isn't happy. Might conflict with his carefully contrived persona of "pizza boy made good on the web" as "legitimate businessman" who "cares about his (IM noob sucker) clients".
Definitely won't appreciate too many "Jon Olson" related comments on "realscam.com" type sites.
Olson allows doublers and triplers now. I had not surfed his exchange for years but all the JustBeenPaid and JSSTripler sites are hawked ad nauseum on his exchange.
My view of VanBeenkom is slightly different from most RS members. I do not see her as a big fish. I think that she is nothing but shark fodder. She has helped to bring Olson above the radar and baited one shark. He has to decide whether to denounce her or not.
Olson's next move could be interesting.
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Originally Posted by
path2prosperity
Olson allows doublers and triplers now. I had not surfed his exchange for years but all the JustBeenPaid and JSSTripler sites are hawked ad nauseum on his exchange.
My view of VanBeenkom is slightly different from most RS members. I do not see her as a big fish. I think that she is nothing but shark fodder. She has helped to bring Olson above the radar and baited one shark. He has to decide whether to denounce her or not.
Olson's next move could be interesting.
Re: your first post, I wasn't really involved in MPAM myself ... was just one of the many programs I joined and did little or nothing with at that time.
So other than the hearsay re: ex-MPAM member Olson acquiring I Love Hits, which from what I've heard was a MPAM exchange, I don't have much to say on the subject.
Olson himself though gave a "farewell to MPAM" obituary in his HEN newsletter some time ago.
Goodbye To A Legend, MPAM Will Be Missed | Hit Exchange News
Now, not having spent a lot of time with MPAM, I not exactly sure what the "shades of it’s influence everywhere", to which Jon refers in his post, actually are.
My own thought would be, based on what I've seen TEs and IM become, i.e., tools to defraud folks with the "earn an online income" dream, is that maybe the "shades of its influence everywhere" may not have been particularly positive however, I really don't know enough to say either way.
I've always like TEs and believe that they could have been beneficial for folks looking to make an honest living online, e.g., "e.g., aunt Sara's home made quilts." to get some relatively inexpensive exposure on the web ... though maybe this was more true in pre "stumbleon" type plugin days but, these aren't the folks likely to cough up cash to keep various "make a six figure income" scamsters in business or buy useless "IM tools" from TE owners and whoever is within their particular circle of "partners" ... or pehaps "syndicate" is a more apt description.
As I mentioned before, I've really only toyed with so-called IM at different times through the years ... but, I remeber the Corey Rudls, etc. who at the time struck me as a bit shady.
And I guess this goes back to my much younger years where every now and again I watch late night infomercials from some real estate, or similar, "guru" flogging some product that they claimed they'd made millions from.
And ... being the lazy ******* that I am ... I couldn't help but think that if I'd made those millions, I could find a lot of better things to do with my time then advising folks how to do the same on late night TV infomercials. Or, if I had a strong streak of altruism in me that made me believe that "I made my millions ... now I'd like to see others do the same", I'd be selling the products ... if I didn't want to give them away ... at whatever cost I bore to produce them, e.g., $29.95 rather than $795.00.
So, I've always been very skeptical of the "I made millions doing this and now I'm going to show you how to do the same ... for $4995.00" crowd as, I don't know ... maybe I'm just cynical, it seemed to me that the only money most of these characters ever made was from sucking other folks into believing that they had some "cash machine while sleeping" secret that any sap could utilize without knowing dick all about business, the web, etc. to make a "passive" income.
But enough of my ramblings.
Re:, "Olson's next move could be interesting.", I imagine he'll just ignore it.
Becoming embroiled in discussions on forums like this definitely won't work in his favour ... which is likely why he quickly backed out of the other thread.
You might get the usual "some folks are jealous of other people's success" line ... that these guys seem to fall back on ... or a "I didn't realize this was happening" comment in his blog or wherever.
But, I'd guess that will be about it.
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
Well, well well you have uncovered a gem of information. Affiliate Funnel and it's connection with Olson and ex MPAM members.
I contacted the owner on the day that Affiliate Funnel opened. I expressed my disgust at the free gift which the owner was offering to his members. He offered his members a free gift of software to cheat traffic exchanges with spam bots. He removed the offer from his home page when I announced my utter disgust and did his best to persuade me to join his program. I would like to see Affiliate Funnel scrutinized by legal authorities.
I had warned Jon Olson about these traffic exchange cheats and he assured me that the software could not be used on ILoveHits. Olson came over as a fairly ethical TE owner in those days. How times have change. He allows the promotion of any old crap now including programs devised by Freddy Mann and BoggyBoy Fiedur.
The slimy toad who owned Affiliate Funnel may have been a TE owner who sold software to cheat "honest traffic exchange owners."
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Robert Puddy
Re: your first post, I wasn't really involved in MPAM myself ... was just one of the many programs I joined and did little or nothing with at that time.
As I mentioned before, I've really only toyed with so-called IM at different times through the years ... but, I remeber the Corey Rudls, etc. who at the time struck me as a bit shady.
I joined MPAM but like you, I did very little of the training. I signed up to his recommended hit exchanges and his WorldWidePromoter. When it came to signing up for banner exchanges, I lost interest. Olson's banner exchange was one most widely hawked on MPAM.
Spam from MPAM was inordinate There were times when I had to delete over 200 spam mails a day, most of which came from Adlandpro.
I did not buy CoryRudl's Internet Marketing course but I was bombarded with sales spiel about methods devised by "The Grand Master of Internet Marketing." from Adlandpro and other sources.
Corey's marketing methods may be the basis of the phony use of the term Internet marketing to describe reproduction of mass produced sales spiel as marketing.
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
Fascinating thread....
O.K., here's a few things....First of all, this REALLY doesn't sound like the Robert Puddy I know, I have Skyped to find out if this is Robert or someone using his name to try to stir up some controversy.
Second, here's my address and toll free number if you ever wanna come call me a scammer to my face 1-877-244-3581 & my personal home address is 1619 65 Street SW, Edmonton Alberta Canada.
And finally....Can you find Triplers and doublers on Google? Should Google be called scammers because you can find them by doing a search?....Here's just a part of my TOS on Tim Tech's I Love Hits....
"Please note, I Love Hits is not responsible for the income claims or promises with sites in rotation. Please research all business opportunities before you join them. Be sure to visit your local Better Business Bureau, and other consumer awareness organizations before you invest any amount of money! You join any program at your own risk."
I am NOT judge and jury for anything but I wouldn't touch half of those programs with a ten foot pole and in fact my daily show at trafficexchangelive dot com, we CONSTANTLY teach people to avoid these things like the plague. My company and businesses have always featured one level, commissions. That's it. Nothing multi level ever. Mot saying there is anything wrong with that model, just saying it's something I have never practiced.
Sorry folks, you are hanging the wrong guy and company (TimTech) out there.
But feel free to ask me any questions you may have jon at timtech.us
And finally....All the hoopla about Ad Land Pro and MPAM...These are programs I knew about years ago...And yes I was a member of MPAM, Michael Russell was a good dude but I haven't heard from him in years. He was about teaching people how to use traffic exchanges, which I do currently. Ad Land Pro...All I know about that place is there was a dude named Jon Olson and we used to share laughs that we had the same names. That's it. Sorry...Nothing else to see.
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
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Jon Olson
Fascinating thread....
And finally....All the hoopla about Ad Land Pro and MPAM...These are programs I knew about years ago...And yes I was a member of MPAM, Michael Russell was a good dude but I haven't heard from him in years. He was about teaching people how to use traffic exchanges, which I do currently. Ad Land Pro...All I know about that place is there was a dude named Jon Olson and we used to share laughs that we had the same names. That's it. Sorry...Nothing else to see.
Errrr, can you explain the seeming contradiction between the statement above and:
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Re: How legit is EZ Wealth Solution? Kathleen Vanbeekom Promoter
Appreciate the response. 2003 huh? Wow, that's going way back lol
However I have no idea about AdLandPro or anything of the sort. I just run my ship =) That's all I can worry about.
Just curious...
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
LOL You are on quite the witch hunt...
YES, I have HEARD of ad land pro.
No I do not know why everyone hates it or any of the drama that you guys have going on....
I stay out of it and like my original post stated...Run my ship.
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
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Jon Olson
Fascinating thread....
And finally....All the hoopla about Ad Land Pro and MPAM...These are programs I knew about years ago...And yes I was a member of MPAM, Michael Russell was a good dude but I haven't heard from him in years. He was about teaching people how to use traffic exchanges, which I do currently. Ad Land Pro...All I know about that place is there was a dude named Jon Olson and we used to share laughs that we had the same names. That's it. Sorry...Nothing else to see.
If you do not know anything about Adlandpro, why do you allow their traffic exchange in your TE consortium? Surely it would be better to do some DD and disassociate your exchanges with those who promote hard porn. It would also improve your reputation if you made some effort to control people like Kathleen VanBeenkon. If you let people like VanBeenkom act as a publisher for your business, it will not be long before they become poisoned.
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
This is the real robert puddy here, and the idiot who feels its ok to post crap in someone elses name should be deleted and banned from using the internet let alone a forum (any forum)
Will the owner of this site please contact me for comfirmation of who i am and then delete all the posts by the ****** impersonating me please.
You can contact me direct at the akhmedia support desk here http://akhmediagroup.com/support
Thanks
The Real Robert Puddy
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
Control people? Why on earth would I want to control anyone. Re-read what you just said....
She's an affiliate. She's promoting my business. So because she promotes something you guys don't like, I'm supposed to rid the net of her?
You guys are making yourself to be judge and jury on my business because of something someone promotes that also happens to promote my stuff.
Allow what? Ad land Pro? I cannot even tell you the last time I ever saw an ad for that program...
Oh btw this imposter who names themselves 'Robert Puddy' isn't the real Robert Puddy from the T.E. industry. They are obviously trying to bicker and start drama.
Sad really.
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
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Jon Olson
LOL You are on quite the witch hunt...
YES, I have HEARD of ad land pro.
No I do not know why everyone hates it or any of the drama that you guys have going on....
I stay out of it and like my original post stated...Run my ship.
No "witch hunt" at all. When somebody makes statements that appear to contradict each other, it can often mean they are struggling with the truth or have a memory issue. Your statements appear to contradict each other and I was looking for clarification, and your response was more of a deflection, not a clarification. If you feel that someone asking a question is on a "witch hunt" perhaps you have a witch to hide...?
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
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Jon Olson
You guys are making yourself to be judge and jury on my business because of something someone promotes that also happens to promote my stuff.
Wrong Jon. RS has shown our readers that Adlandpro is a site that promotes idiotic get rich deals and masses of hard porn. If you do not want to find out if this is true and do some DD on the matter, you are burying your head in the sand.
Kathleen was proud to announce the fact that Adlandpro is a part of TimTech. She has put your site above the radar. You can't justify yourself by saying that you are not concerned about what goes on at Scamland. It is part of TimTech and you should investigate the place because you can be sure that legal authorities know all about it.
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
Hiding something?
I'm not the one going onto an online forum, not using my real name and throwing people under the bus.
Here's what I am hiding.
My name is Jon Olson
You can reach me at 1-877-244-3581
My HOME address is 1619 65 Street SW Edmonton Canada
I'm online every weekday for my 'internet show' at 4pm Eastern.
My email is jon at timtech.us
Now exactly how am I 'hiding' something?
I KNOW of Ad land Pro...Yes. I have heard of it. I've been in this business for 14 years.
I KNOW nothing of the drama and why you guys hate it. And frankly, don't care. That's your beef.
I'm here to show you a face to the company TimTech that you guys are throwing under the bus for unwarranted reasons.
That's all.
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
Ad Land Pro is NOT a part of TimTech and has NOTHING to do with it.
Does that clear it up? LOL I doubt it
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
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Originally Posted by
Jon Olson
Fascinating thread....
O.K., here's a few things....First of all, this REALLY doesn't sound like the Robert Puddy I know, I have Skyped to find out if this is Robert or someone using his name to try to stir up some controversy.
Second, here's my address and toll free number if you ever wanna come call me a scammer to my face 1-877-244-3581 & my personal home address is 1619 65 Street SW, Edmonton Alberta Canada.
And finally....Can you find Triplers and doublers on Google? Should Google be called scammers because you can find them by doing a search?....Here's just a part of my TOS on Tim Tech's I Love Hits....
"Please note, I Love Hits is not responsible for the income claims or promises with sites in rotation. Please research all business opportunities before you join them. Be sure to visit your local Better Business Bureau, and other consumer awareness organizations before you invest any amount of money! You join any program at your own risk."
I am NOT judge and jury for anything but I wouldn't touch half of those programs with a ten foot pole and in fact my daily show at trafficexchangelive dot com, we CONSTANTLY teach people to avoid these things like the plague. My company and businesses have always featured one level, commissions. That's it. Nothing multi level ever. Mot saying there is anything wrong with that model, just saying it's something I have never practiced.
Sorry folks, you are hanging the wrong guy and company (TimTech) out there.
But feel free to ask me any questions you may have jon at timtech.us
And finally....All the hoopla about Ad Land Pro and MPAM...These are programs I knew about years ago...And yes I was a member of MPAM, Michael Russell was a good dude but I haven't heard from him in years. He was about teaching people how to use traffic exchanges, which I do currently. Ad Land Pro...All I know about that place is there was a dude named Jon Olson and we used to share laughs that we had the same names. That's it. Sorry...Nothing else to see.
Jon, you have to be careful when you quote your TOS. You seem to be reading it selectively. You are apparently a judge and jury of "investment surf" sites as noted below. If you are going to allow ponzis like JSS Tripler and the myriad of other blatant ponzis and pyramids, you might as well allow the old autosurf ponzis(are there any still out there), porn, and whatever else anybody wants.
From I Love Hits
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Sites containing or with links to hate, discriminatory, pornography or warez are not allowed or tolerated. Also, all 'investment surf' sites are now banned at I Love Hits. Management reserves the right to suspend and remove any URL.
FWIW, I understand why you can't actually keep these things out of rotation with thousands of users spread across your network. Even if you were able to eliminate links to a ponzi's site directly, promoters would then just create splash and capture pages that were too vague to determine absolutely that they were ponzi related.
Unfortunately for you, ponzis are heavily promoted in every TE that I've seen and you will sometimes be considered guilty by association. I guess you'll just have to accept it as the price you pay for running a popular set of TE's.
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Re: TimTech versus Real Scummers. Whose is The Ethical Business?
Surfer - Finally, someone who makes sense.
Yes, I agree. We used to remove investment surfs from all the debacle that happened with 12 dailypro. It was a mess, and we tried very hard to differentiate 'auto investment surfs' from traditional traffic exchanges.
It's a tough battle. Here's my approach to it and I know it won't make any fans in this forum...Just like you said, staying on top and banning things doesn't work well in my programs. I have tens of thousands of members and hundreds of thousands of URLs...If I ban a domain, they pop back up in rotation under an alias, or tracker or whatever...
What I choose to do, which again, isn't popular here I'm sure...Is train my members that seek out information on why they should steer clear of these things. We talk about ever green products, and long tail business models...NOT get rich quick schemes.
The problem is, in my industry, people want the quick fix and don't want to work to get any kind of success online.
Now instead of me dictating what is and what is not a scam, we decided many years ago to let the people decide...Kind of like the tagline of this forum...We want people to feel that they can promote what they want, but if they do , they should know that some of the stuff out there is questionable. So we created ClickTrackProfit, to train affiliates about ever green ONE level affiliate payment structures, which in my opinion are a much better investment than any tripler, doubler, scheme...
But alas, we will never please everyone. One hand tells me, ban the world to protect your 'reputation'...The other says 'if you ban me, you are calling me a scam and that could be libel'....So as the 'enabler' of this, we choose to educate. Not dictate.