The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
Just practicin my stand up routine... love the hecklers.
Oh....now I see your common language.
And yes, you finally have got one thing correct about all your misconceptions in my life...I have hitched quite a lot in my youth....last time coast to coast was '92 bout time for another trip. There is nothing like it.
Exactly...you all finally got it. MLMers think. It is what seperates us from the anti mlmers...
I'll be here all week.
As is standard with you, you failed to answer even one question. That's exactly what you've always done IF you didn't just abandon the threads. Now you state that you won't answer any of my questions because you don't have anything to prove, I'm anti-MLM, and my questions are "inane." This is your MO.
What a waste of time trying to ever have a discussion with you. You make the claims every time yet never back them up. At least you amuse me because I seldom run into fools in real life that are even close to your level of stupidity. You should contact Len Clements, spend $300 for his advice on how much your business is worth. He's the expert, you know (insert sarcasm here). Imbecile.
You may now move on to the next thread and contaminate it with more bullshit, ignore the questions, make more claims, and then move on to the next one. Some things never change.
GEORGE DRANICHAK - OWNER OF SCAM.COM, PORN MOGUL AND KING OF THE PORN SPAMMERS
Such a lost and troubled soul. The above is your response to my response of your post below.
Whine, I never answered one question....you only asked four questions in your entire rant. I took them as rhetorical, because they were either inane or already repeatedly asked and answered.
1st question.... in Trivita the businesses are valued by their revenue and direction of growth and longevity...the more the steady upward curve combined with annual gross the more it is worth...that is what I am building.
2nd question...After ten years of little or no profit why do I think next year will be different? Heck I don't know, I may not be able to justify spending the increased revenue on the business. But maybe I will be...we'll see.
3rd question....Why do you focus on me? The answer you already know, because you are enamoured with me and live vicariously through my posts. You wish you were me and could be so straightforward, instead you try to bolster yourself up by tearing down others.
4th question...Can Fuller Brush solve world strife? As I said, not on its own, but in combination with other companies and supportive people maybe we have a chance.
All either answered repeatedly or inane...(your post below for all to see)
Len Clements: Mensa Society (155 IQ)
Stephen Hawking: "People who boast about their IQ are losers."
Incorrect DoltBoy, I asked you a lot of questions. You skirted 90% of them. I asked you how you determined the value of your business. I asked you about ethics, I've asked you about posting on company time. I've asked you over and over to provide a link to anyone selling their TriVita business. The list goes on and on.
So your business is worth in excess of 50K according to you. In 11 years, you've made no profit, you have no physical inventory, and sometimes your revenue exceeds your expenses. So given your prior statements, those would negate "the more the steady upward curve combined with annual gross the more it is worth...that is what I am building." I guess I'm missing something here. Revenue is not generating a profit. Flat. But more than likely, you've lost money each year for 11 years. In those 11 years combined, have you ever broken even?1st question.... in Trivita the businesses are valued by their revenue and direction of growth and longevity...the more the steady upward curve combined with annual gross the more it is worth...that is what I am building.
So without being able to document what you claim your business is worth (in excess of 50K), you still don't know and you still have that "dream." Correct?2nd question...After ten years of little or no profit why do I think next year will be different? Heck I don't know, I may not be able to justify spending the increased revenue on the business. But maybe I will be...we'll see.
Thank you for enlightening me, Dr. Allyn. And your degree is from the "School of Hard Knocks." But you're absolutely right. Until you came into my life last November, I was an empty shell of a human being, living my life waiting for someone like you to enter it so I could walk down the Path of Righteousness and discover how truly wonderful, outstanding, upstanding, and moral person you are. I sincerely thank you for that. The pure jealousy I harbor of you being in TriVita for 11 years without making a profit and making endless claims of your success (building your business worth in excess of 50K) has truly inspired me to get out there and live my life not vicariously through your rampant success in the industry and to make a gazillion posts per day on various internet boards, but to actually join TriVita and then flood the boards with bullshit. Thank you, Dr. Allyn, thank you for that. I can hardly wait to get started but the only problem is that I'm retired and don't have the opportunity to post on company time.3rd question....Why do you focus on me? The answer you already know, because you are enamoured with me and live vicariously through my posts. You wish you were me and could be so straightforward, instead you try to bolster yourself up by tearing down others.
I suppose all of the MLMs will be bound together in this noble cause. That thread starter qualified for the all time stupidest one ever. Thank you for that one too.4th question...Can Fuller Brush solve world strife? As I said, not on its own, but in combination with other companies and supportive people maybe we have a chance.
No, you still have quite a few to answer. Just scroll up and read though the posts. But for starters, please explain exactly how you put the "in excess of 50K" valuation on your TriVita business. Just the facts.All either answered repeatedly or inane...(your post below for all to see)
GEORGE DRANICHAK - OWNER OF SCAM.COM, PORN MOGUL AND KING OF THE PORN SPAMMERS
What actually separates you from anti-mlmers is logic, intelligence, critical thinking, rationale and being in touch with reality. lol
Oh please, of course you are here and at Scam and who knows where on the net all day long every damn day of the week. That's all you ever do. Nothing new. Other people here can't be because they have actual careers and if they are retired, or a homemaker and raising kids they have many more things of value, meaning and importance to occupy their time with. Sadly, you don't. I would bet that I earned more today in 7 hours today than you have made with your b.s. "business" all year long.
I don't think you need to make that bet. Since he hasn't made a profit in 11 years, that would negate the bet. Unless of course you mean revenue which to Wil has nothing to do with profit. He could lose a grand a year but as long as he has revenue, all is well. That's my understanding anyway. Unfortunately, a real business wouldn't survive for long if their expenses exceeded or even broke even where revenue/profit is involved. But I just don't understand the economics of the world since I'm not in a MLM. With them, it's different than logical economics.
GEORGE DRANICHAK - OWNER OF SCAM.COM, PORN MOGUL AND KING OF THE PORN SPAMMERS
Now, perhaps, people can start to understand why it is that cults and MLMs try and convince their people to insulate themselves from the big, bad world "out there" outside the particular cult or MLM.
Inside the little bubble cultists and MLMers find themselves, it's only too easy to believe your "business' is worth something on the open market.
When you're surrounded by like minded robot.....err.......culti....err......upliner....e rr.....people of a similar mindset, delusions can suddenly become not only real, but reinforced.
Denial becomes a way of life and what would have been glaringly obvious in a persons' pre cult days is normalized and becomes fully accepted as being "real".
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
OK, I have a question for Wil. If I read correctly, you say that you have several people in your upline and downline that will pay you the $50K you say your biz is worth. Is there anyone outside the MLM world that will pay you?
Don't take life too serious. You'll never escape it alive anyway.
~ Elbert Hubbard
He is required by his company to only sell his business to those inside the company.
Will and Tom can argue value til they are blue in the face. The value of his company isn't revenue, profit, etc, etc..... it's how much someone will pay for it. Not how much someone says they will pay for it when they aren't really buying it, but how much they actually fork over.
On the one hand, Will hasn't made squat. Revenue is useless without profit. Currently, he claims his hobby (the IRS's word as well as mine) is worth 50k. I think he's full of it. Sure someone can come in, stop "investing in the business" and lower the cost base and start profiting...but how much? There is no history to judge the possible value, so it's a guess, meaning high risk. High risk means lower price.
On the other hand, Will has an artificially restricted market in that he can only sell to people in the company already. That brings the price down as well. But, he does have one thing going for him. This artificially small market is dumb as a whole. Given most people get into it not knowing what it takes and fail, I don't doubt he could get some idiot on the hook for his non-profit.
So still the hot topic over here is me...and others at scam.com...
come on now...when are we gonna start a forum here that doesn't discuss the others?
I have had some years I've made some profit...I've had other years my expenses exceeded profit...overall on average...zero profit or close to it.
The businesses typically sell for 2-4 times their annual revenue. I have twice been offerred in the upper range of that. There are no links, all sales are between to people or companies...and these are not made public to us. However I've spoke with people who have sold businesses and others who have bought businesses.
I love it...that ranks right up there with the third grade 'nanny nanny poo poo'...great response. It also well aligns with your comment about us poor folks having to ride coach with the unwashed masses. How I'd love to be so arrogant and have a silver spoon in my butt. Some day I aspire to be just like you....NOT.
Of course I shouldn't have said that, because it is all so apparent you are so much better at dishing it out than taking it. All in good fun to me...but I know you will take it personal...oh well.
You are correct...only sales within the company...artificially restricted lowering the cost? Maybe...but the reason is as I understand it the company wants folks who know exactly what they are purchasing... And they do...which has created the 2-4x average that they pay...they know what they are getting and know what their return will be.
But somewhere along the line... I don't have to explain everything to you...you ain't buying the product, you ain't buying the opportunity, I don't need to open my books for you.
I'm with a couple of non-profits...surely you know nonprofit is an IRS designation and doesn't mean no profits...
Seriously....different thing.
Will. Stop. Clear your mind. Profit = Revenue - Expenses. You keep using the term "profit" for revenue. You've obviously used the term "income" when you meant revenue since you claimed you made 20k income in MLM.one would hope that those businesses are "typically" profitable as well.The businesses typically sell for 2-4 times their annual revenue.you've more than twice switched income with revenue. Maybe you just misunderstood them the way you misunderstand most of what people tell you.I have twice been offerred in the upper range of that.everything in MLM is always "I know a guy..." Just like you know a guy that tripled his power generation using the 100 mpg carburetor (even though those pesky laws of physics say otherwise).There are no links, all sales are between to people or companies...and these are not made public to us. However I've spoke with people who have sold businesses and others who have bought businesses.surely you understand the joke he was telling. actually, surely you didn't. And, no, I will not stop calling you Shirley.I'm with a couple of non-profits...surely you know nonprofit is an IRS designation and doesn't mean no profits...
Seriously....different thing.
Shirley you know what I meant...
Weren't you the one that wanted to put the profit line above the trip expense?
yes...revenue...what the company pays me...expenses....what comes out of revenue...profit....what is left after expenses....income...what I take out of profit for personal use.
I don't know a guy...a know a number of guys... You can read the VitaJournals on the website...I told you there was a guy I spoke with that owned car dealerships and was climbing the ladder....well he made the top of the chain...he's got folks above him, but he's made it to Presidential our highest tier...its a guy I know...you can read about him. Made his money in many different businesses and got into this one as well...he isn't alone. I do know some other guys, and gals as well.
tis the nature of networking.
the company has a goal....first Australia and New Zealand...and then in the next 10 years 100 countries! Will they make 100 countries, I don't know...but they will try. And I will try to have an organization started in each and every one.
Me? No. I was not in that discussion at all.Profit = Income = Revenue - Expenses. Stick with that.yes...revenue...what the company pays me...expenses....what comes out of revenue...profit....what is left after expenses....income...what I take out of profit for personal use.
Now, have you ever made 20k INCOME from MLM in a year? You said yes before. Would you like to change your answer?
Have you or haven't you made a profit at the end of the year for any of your 11 years? You seem to have a series of answers for this one too.
Did I say it wasn't?
Yours could be worth far more than mine.
In values of businesses different businesses are worth different amounts.
If I remember your statement correctly you said if yours is worth that much mine must be worth a million...
My response...it may be or may not be I don't know?
So you want to know how could it be that your business is or isn't worth a million...ask a broker.
A former boss had a construction company....in our last years we averaged over 25 million a year...he paid himself a salary of 3k per week, and on top of everything when all was said and done he averaged a little over 2% profit. He had a couple hundred thousand in equipment, backhoes, trailers, tools etc. He tried to sell it on the open market. And in the end, he offered 90% of it to me for One Dollar. He wanted 10% of the profit for ten years...and then it would be mine...all for one dollar.
It was too much for me...I didn't want the liability.
A mom and pop pizzaria or drycleaner sells for different than a construction company or a car rental company or a bar....folks look at how many hours they have to put in...how much maintenance is needed...
I don't know your industry or your business and wouldn't hazard a guess as to its value.
Hence my reason for saying it may or may not sell for a million...
While I disagree with most of what Will posts on the internet, unprofitable companies are bought and sold all the time. How long did amazon.com operate without making money? they still had a large market cap because people knew the potential. Now obviously comparing some jungle juice (sorry, desert juice) distributorship based on wannabes is different a massive online retail outlet with proprietary products and mostly educated workforce, but businesses are valued for potential all the time.
You are correct, my bad you didn't say that, but this is the same discussion...it was unsaved trash...
I have had over 20 k in revenue... I have made some profit some years and had some loss in other years.Originally Posted by ut
No I never made 20k in profit....my 1099 has exceeded 20k but not my net.
we have mostly consumers...in our massive online outlet with proprietary products...and mostly educated workforce...
We have hundreds of folks at the home office, answering phones, taking orders, and then herds more answering phones from the infomercials...we pay for the infomercials, we receive customers, we follow up with customers, we receive comissions from our customers orders...it isn't that complicated and it is different from most mlm as we do pay for advertising we do advertise nationally and locally daily, on television, on radio, in print, on the web...have been doing so for a decade.
which has nothing to do with the question I asked you (here or on scam.com).IIRC, that is not what you said at scam.com.I have made some profit some years and had some loss in other years.whoa, he finally answers a question that was asked.No I never made 20k in profit.........and then proceeds to add irrelevant information. Is your 1099 # supposed to change something? Does that magically turn revenue into pure profit? Of course not.my 1099 has exceeded 20k but not my net.
You have expenses for your business that, like for any business, make your profit less than your revenue.
Will...next time you are asked if you've made 20k income in one year from your MLM, it isn't a complicated week long discussion. It's one word. "No." Ok, maybe four...."No, not even close."
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