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Jack Weinzierl and his sidekick, wife Stephanie Weinzierl, really did try hard to smooze Trey White. The idea of being a Venture Capitalist and working with accredited clients must have really turned those money grubbing religious scammers on. Of course, no accredited investor on the planet that has heard of Madoff, can do a Google search and that checks out potential business dealings beforehand would touch Weinzierl with a ten foot pole, so that silly talk ended almost before it began.



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Soapboxmom

I was off in my prediction. I underestimated Trey's tenacity, and didn't expect them to minimize the archae active products, and become a "before & after" diet company. That, and their new pill called Placebo...errr Limitless, should keep them afloat for another year.

Updates concerning my favorite characters:

Evolve
Jack-Quitter. I have no idea what his job is now, but he seems to have plenty of money.
Shana-Expect a whole lot of before and after pictures in the next three months. Will she ever earn a new car?
Larry, Tracy, Cameron, Jason, Ken, Mike-other than Mike being the small one, I honestly can't tell these guys apart. Hats backwards, un-tucked long sleeve or Affliction shirt, and you fit right in...if you pay your auto-ship.

ViSalus
Nick, Rich, Tony, Jeremy-So, they tried to pass off a 55 part home video as a reality show. It is unwatchable, but these guys seem to be getting a lot of people to attend their various recruitment meetings. If the whole thing is an attendance numbers game, then for the time being they seem to be winning.

Limu
Keith-This guy is a true gem. Found in the bowels of TopGun, his daily posts on FB are highly entertaining. Recently he posted that his barber said the average income of his customers is $100,000. I assume the guys who sat down before and after Keith were each making $140,000. Can someone explain that one to Keith? He has trouble with math, and big words.

UB

Jack Weinzierl is a mooch. His in-laws moved into his 1.23 million dollar mansion with him that he didn't make payments on for a year. They watched the bank satisfy the $35,000.00 in back taxes and lose half a million on the foreclosure a year later. They put Jack and Stephanie up in style in a rental castle in Castle Hills jut down the road. Alan Tannous, his father-in-law, has a full time job in something related to electricity. He bombed out of Advantage Conferences after getting a $7,000.00 refund (apparently he didn't like the scamference). He then joined Jack in Evolv and dropped out of it. Jan Tannous is an Asociate pastor at Grace Church USA.

Stephanie Weinzierl is employed for the moment at Coram Deo Academy as a thrid grade teacher. Now, that the school is aware of her involvement in Advantage Conferences and the criminal death threat and stalking allegations that Jack Weinzierl and Tim Darnell falsely accused me of making, I would imagine she will be resigning quite soon.

So, Jack the mooch has 3 other wage earners in his rented castle. He also has according to his chapter 7 bankruptcy blown through his retirement savings and children's college finds. In the summer of 2008 he had $200,000.00 in credit card debt, $200.00 in his pocket and $800.00 in the bank. So, he is likely living it up on his credit cards. He is always faking it even though he will never make it.

If he files bankruptcy again the Department of Justice will be right there asking where his money is. The sleazebag and his wife Stephanie claimed to be multi-million dollar earners in Evolv ads in the summer of 2010. How low can you go!

Soapboxmom Multi-million dollar earner.jpg

EvolvLife Team

At the 2 minute mark of this video Ken tells us what he is selling. This video sounds like he is selling an opportunity and not a product in my opinion, but maybe I misunderstood.

UB

Originally Posted by Undercover Brother

EvolvLife Team

At the 2 minute mark of this video Ken tells us what he is selling. This video sounds like he is selling an opportunity and not a product in my opinion, but maybe I misunderstood.

UB

HeHeHeHe,

Can you blame him for not revealing exactly what the EvolvLife Team does until after the half way mark of the video ??

How would you like to be the team member tasked with trying to get people to pay for the privilege of selling extremely high priced tap water in small plastic bottles to their friends and neighbours via multi level marketing ??

Forget all the froth and bubbles,

bottom line is, that's EXACTLY what Evolv is asking people to do.

Sell expensive bottled tap water.

@LRM, No mention of water. I thought he was in the ticket selling business. I just couldn't figure out if it was tickets like those sold in AC or tickets like those sold in World Ventures. In almost two years years now, Evolv has sold water, gel, shake mix, tickets, and this week introduces a pill.

@Larry, that wording that runs through the family pictures you've recently posted and emailed, is there to PREVENT you from posting and emailing. It isn't advertising. See, you paid for a sitting (or maybe that part was free), and the photog gave you proofs (the pictures with the wording). Next steps are...You PAY for the proofs you like, the photog removes the wording, and you can use the finished product (pictures) at your discretion. If you can't afford the pictures, have someone in your down-line buy them for you. Or, maybe you can refer three people to the photog, and yours can be free? :)

UB

Originally Posted by Undercover Brother

@LRM, No mention of water. I thought he was in the ticket selling business. I just couldn't figure out if it was tickets like those sold in AC or tickets like those sold in World Ventures. In almost two years years now, Evolv has sold water, gel, shake mix, tickets, and this week introduces a pill.

Doesn't give any prospective IBOs much of a choice, does it ??

Join Evolv and you can:

a) sell overpriced bottled tap water in carton lots.

or

b) sell snakeoil pills, potions, gel and shakes, all of them high priced, of dubious origin and in carton lots.

or

c) see if you can find others who'd like to pay for the privilege of doing a) or b)

Can't see a lot of upside, really.

Evolv is saying they have a real "game changer" this weekend, but Limu says they are "making history" next weekend. ViSalus just says "boom" a lot.

Mike's first Limitless Pill training video is out, and it is AWESOME. In it he asks his potential pyramid to consider what it would be like to be the only distributors of Vitamin C or B-12. I have no idea what that means, in relation to the Limitless pill, but I love it!

He goes on to say that he likes to ask friends if they have tennis elbow or migraines.

UB

Are you looking for testimonials concerning Evolv's Limitless pill?

Placebo is too good a name for this pill. They should call it Shameless.

Evolv Limitless: Do you feel LIMITLESS?

I know you will find your favorites, but allow me to share mine:

Dr. Stewart: His first paragraph is so full of non sequiturs, it is tough to follow, so skip to the second paragraph where he says everyone should take it, and it may keep you healthy even if you don't have anything going on.

Pat K.: I assume she is the one on the right. I had trouble believing she is going to the gym every day, so I'm having trouble believing anything she says about the powers of Limitless.

Natalie P.: Apparently has spent the last few years upstairs.

Then there are three testimonials from Garret and Sylvia, who are up near the top of the pyramid.

After reading all these testimonials, and recognizing a few of the people as long time members of the Evolv clan, I ask this: Weren't you guys saying the Evolv water cured you of all these inflammations last year? Was that not true, or are you now afflicted with super inflammations, which can only be cured by a gel, errr pill?

I need answers before I sign up.

Thanks,

UB

That is hilarious! Thanks UB. People hopping out of wheelchairs and all! Priceless!!!

I archived that in case the scammers get smart and take those phony medical claims down.

Soapboxmom

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Limitless is betalain.

Buy 4 Boxes, Get 1 Free!
$268.00 (200 PV)

With 56 pills in a box that is beyond ridiculous!!!

Soapboxmom

A great Evolver once said, "They had me at give."

I've tried to find out what Evolv gives over the last two years, but haven't found any examples. They changed their website, as their focus shifted from Archae Active water to a weight loss shake company. The original incarnation had a Give section that said to check back to see examples. It stayed that way for over a year. The remodeled site has a section under Company that says they have a Give.Share.Evolv. Foundation, and they will be using money from completed E84 challenges to do something or other. It doesn't say to check back, so I assume we can trust they are doing what they say.

After all, according to several people, the Evolvers are great Servant Leaders.

Evolv Limitless's homepage has studies on Betalain.

Limu's homepage has studies on fucoidan.

Visalus's homepage has studies on protein.

More difficult to find are third party independent studies on Evolv's Limitless pill, Limu's seaweed drink, and Vi shakes.

What these companies are good at is showing before and after weight loss pictures. Well, except for Limu. They don't seem to be good at anything.

UB

Originally Posted by Undercover Brother

Evolv Limitless's homepage has studies on Betalain.

Limu's homepage has studies on fucoidan.

Visalus's homepage has studies on protein.

More difficult to find are third party independent studies on Evolv's Limitless pill, Limu's seaweed drink, and Vi shakes.

What these companies are good at is showing before and after weight loss pictures. Well, except for Limu. They don't seem to be good at anything.

UB

Wouldn't it be a hoot to see before and after pictures of Evolv defector and limu rep Robert Dean!!!!! Of course if he is following his usual jump and dump pattern, he probably has one foot out the door already.

Soapboxmom

Bob posted an after picture when he left Evolv for ViSalus. Some of his critics said his weight loss wasn't due to the Vi Life, but only he knows that. A few months later he was on his way to Limu, and I think he was using the same picture for their program. His protege, Keith, had a before and after pic up for about a month last November. The problem with those guys is they can't seem to keep the weight off, or spell the word lose, so promoting their scam that way is ineffective at this point. They are now talking about seaweed and free radicals. ???

When Bob left Vi for Limu he promised a four year commitment. Is he talking to Kenn about re-joining Evolv, or is he trying to get Ken's team to join Limu? Who knows? It has been a quite summer. ZZZZZ.

Perhaps it's about time these type of pseudo MLMs brought out a playbook so that spectators can tell who's working for whom this week/month/year

LRM,

I think the fun ones to watch are:

Evolv:
Shana
Kenn
Mike
Garret
Cameron
Larry

ViSalus:
Nick
Tony
Jeremy
Rich

Limu:
Rob
Keith

Free Agent:
Jack

Where are they now?

1.) Carlos Aponte

2.) The guy who said his daughter's warts were cured by Evolv Gel

3.) Karen-The gal who said her relative invented Archae Active TM

4.) Jack

I know many have joined Evolv and since dropped out, but the reason I single out these people, is because I think they were all in at the "ground floor", and I think they all took it pretty seriously... and I'm not sure what happened to them...except gel guy...I think he is now with ViSalus.

If they can't make it, how can just an average guy/gal who is looking for some extra income, be expected to make it with Evolv?

Or, maybe they did make it? I'd like to know.

Serious questions for serious thinkers.

UB

Ever wonder what a pyramid inside a pyramid looks like?

There Is A Method To My Madness...

He claims he has PROFITED $4 million in 16 years. That is a $250,000 per year average. I would love to see those tax returns. If he's telling the truth, he seems like like a good guy to follow. If you can get past the moral dilemmas associated with selling a non-FDA-approved cure-all product, if you don't mind giving up your evenings and weekends, if you don't mind being the family and neighborhood pariah.

That's a lot of ifs.

UB

Originally Posted by Undercover Brother

Ever wonder what a pyramid inside a pyramid looks like?

There Is A Method To My Madness...

He claims he has PROFITED $4 million in 16 years. That is a $250,000 per year average. I would love to see those tax returns. If he's telling the truth, he seems like like a good guy to follow. If you can get past the moral dilemmas associated with selling a non-FDA-approved cure-all product, if you don't mind giving up your evenings and weekends, if you don't mind being the family and neighborhood pariah.

That's a lot of ifs.

UB

Note how big that word "IF" is...!

Originally Posted by Mike Healy

So here's my question to entice you to keep reading.....
"What if you could invest $150 a month into yourself, get just 2 people to do the same but earn between $200 & $500 per month with just that. Do you think you could get just 2? Do you think they could get just 2?

He's included the #1 reason why people find it impossible to duplicate the "leaders" of their MLM company.

The old: "all you have to do is find 2 who find 2" mathematical impossibility.

I wonder how many people ever sit down and work out exactly how the "just find 2" scenario plays out.



Wheat and chessboard problem

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The wheat and chessboard problem (the problem is sometimes expressed in terms of rice instead of wheat) is a mathematical problem:

If a chessboard were to have wheat placed upon each square such that one grain were placed on the first square, two on the second, four on the third, and so on (doubling the number of grains on each subsequent square), how many grains of wheat would be on the chessboard at the finish?

To solve this, observe that a chess board is an 8×8 square, containing 64 squares. If the amount of grains doubles on successive squares, then the sum of grains on all 64 squares is:

this equals 18,446,744,073,709,551,615 (18.4 quintillion).

There ya go, "just" 64 "just find 2 who find 2" requires 18.4 quintillion people.

Quintillian??????

In this video (The one titled Goofing with E84) James says it only takes 40 people to be successful. We all know 40 people don't we? Or, we must know someone who knows 40 people, right? Or, we must know someone, who knows someone, who knows 40 people????

Shana has been at this for two years now. I wonder if she has 40 people?

James Reality T.V.

quintillion [kwɪnˈtɪljən]n pl -lions, -lion1. (Mathematics) (in Britain, France, and Germany) the number represented as one followed by 30 zeros (1030) US and Canadian word nonillion

2. (Mathematics) (in the US and Canada) the number represented as one followed by 18 zeros (1018) Brit word trillion

[from Latin quintus fifth + -illion, as in million]

quintillion - definition of quintillion by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

MLM math sure does get me all lathered up, boys!!!

As to Free Agent Jack, I suspect Weinzierl is wishing he hadn't tangled with me. He is now on over a dozen threads here. The most amusing thing in the world is putting back up all those Scam posts Jack personally made under 9 IDs that he thought he had made disappear forever. His victims do archive things beautifully. Amazing how trying to hide the truth has an alarming way of biting one in the butt and the magic water and gel won't cure that ailment, now will they????

Soapboxmom