Thread: Trey White's Evolv Water vs. World Renowned MD Anderson Cancer Center

Hey SBM,

Someone insinuated that there was no scientific background with these inventors. Again, silly me.
I thought showing SOME (not all) of their patents might make a difference there.

Tough crowd.

This product began with bioremediation.
If you would consider taking the time to find out about the genesis of that product, and understand why Mr. Kaiser used himself as a guinea pig in the first place since he decided it couldn't hurt, then you might more fully understand....

Orrrr not...

You said: And, the acid test is the interest of mainstream medicine and big Pharma. That interest level appears to be zero.

How do you know?

Karen

PS: We might compare crusts - we can plink away...

As far as covering costs...

Many people drink $3-$5 coffee daily.
I'd rather drink Evolv.

On heavy hitters - I think some came on board quickly, made $, then are off to another to repeat... But I don't really know...

For myself, I cover my costs, and more. However, I'd drink it in any case.

Regardless of what happens to the Titanic, my heart will go on...
And I'll keep drinking "the water"...

Originally Posted by Karen

Hi Undercover Brother,
thanks...


UB: Tell you what. If you and your researcher friend, who is a fan of this site, can answer any of these three questions...I will go away.

1.) Is the Archea Active TM created in a lab and sent to Arkansas for mixing, or is the independent contract bottler creating it and mixing it at the shop? In either case, are the scientists supervising the mixing process at the Arkansas plant?

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It is my understanding that they oversaw the set up and just like Coca Cola for example, trained staff is handling production.

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the Silly Shill

Thanks Karen. True to my word, I am out. I will not post anything else concerning Tracey "winning" his car, because Trey felt guilty about losing Tra's ethenol investment. I will not gloat when Ken Dunn wins the million dollars of the Evolver's money.

As for my final post, I would like to say that I had dehumanized the characters involved in this charade, and truly didn't see them as humans. In my eyes they were jokes, and worthy of ridicule. That said, it has been brought to my attention for the first time, that they don't deserve my ridicule, and I will respect their wishes.

Peace out,

UB

Hey UB

Thanks... (I think... )

Here, I'm just trying to differentiate between the inventors/the product and the MLM part.
They are not the same.

karen

Originally Posted by Karen

Hey SBM,

....You said: And, the acid test is the interest of mainstream medicine and big Pharma. That interest level appears to be zero.

How do you know?

Karen

PS: We might compare crusts - we can plink away...

Well, the fact Trey is selling the stuff MLM style suggest he has the rights to the formula. The fact MD Anderson / the Texas Board of Regents is suing Evolv is certainly not going to be a big draw. We have also been told that folks have been consuming the formula for years. All those testimonials should have garnered the attention of big Pharma and mainstream companies long before Trey White sauntered in. So, again my term "appears." I do not have a crystal ball or working broomstick despite persistent rumors to the contrary, but common sense dictates if the interest was there we would be hearing about the inventors or Trey refusing to sell the formula and bragging about how in demand it was.

Time will tell.

Soapboxmom

I continue to receive things like this (JUST came in) from customers:


On 10/22/2010 8:15 PM, B wrote:
I'm so sorry that I was unable to see you all while you were here. My most recent bout with this PMR was a horrible one, I tripled my Prednisone, and here we are some 3 weeks later and I'm now just beginning to feel good again.

I continue to drink 2 bottles of Evolv everyday and feel that it is doing some good, but my latest attack of PMR makes me question just what triggers an episode like this one. I will continue to provide you with updates and hopefully good progress reports. I personally feel very positive about Evolv. I hope all is well in your family.

I'll be ordering 4 more cases on Monday and I'll plan to pick them up in Denver. Thanks again.

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Yep - I do have actual customers...

Karen

Hey SBM,

I understand...

The bottle label says: Manufactured by Health2o Products, LLC for EvolvHealth, LLC.
Bottled by: Alexa Springs, Inc.

You might check that out further if you want to know more.

And you might check with MDACC to get an update... Been awhile since we've heard...

I don't know if you've had experience taking a product to market. I sure don't. But I hear it's not as easy as it sounds AND... there is always the case of NIHS lurking... It's rampant everywhere...

Agreed. Time will tell.

Karen

Well y'all,

Hope the shill at least got some wheels churning...
I'm not sure if any of us has all the answers. I know I don't.
But maybe this was food for thought.

Research cell signaling in your spare time. Interesting science...

nighty night...
karen

thought my message was eaten but there it is

'night....

What 2020 vision??? That numb nut Regional Executive, Keith Dorsey, couldn't even make it with Evolv through 2010!!!

http://www.byoaudio.com/playv/WcLfjB...650&height=390

Soapboxmom

Originally Posted by Karen

A life aloft:

"1b) uh no, I'm from Houston. I know all 3 inventors, though Mr. Kaiser has passed away now. If you took a moment to read the link I sent, you would discover that he lived much, much longer than anyone expected. He, and others, attributed this to "the water"...
In case you are interested... YouTube - Dr Jay Collins interview"

Where in this video does it state anything about Mr. Kaiser in regards to him living any longer than normal? What was the point of this video, as it has nothing to do with what you have stated?

What did he die of specifically? Do you have the actual research in terms of life expectancy of those who have/had whatever he had? What exactly are you basing your statements on? Opinion or fact? Please state the specifics as I will research this and post the facts here.


The link to which I was referring was About - Archaea Active

You will see he was on the Orca. There is where you can begin your research.
I'm basing some of my conclusions upon information from personal conversations with Mr. Kaiser himself.

Do ALL MLM recruiters take courses in how to evade, deflect and avoid answering any direct and specific questions with direct and specific answers??? ROTFL!

You made the statement:"you would discover that he lived much, much longer than anyone expected."

I have asked you specifically what he had, i.e. what disease. You seem to keep dancing around that. If it was cancer, what type? When exactly was he diagnosed with this disease, the date and when did he died of this disease, ithe date. I don't want a million links that have nothing whatsoever to do with this question. Just the truth and the facts. It would be two sentences from you. It that too difficult for you to answer? What did he have, when was he diagnosed with it (the date) and what date did he die of this. Can you manage to answer that? Got it? Or do you need further time to deflect?

The game playing that MLMers, especially recruiters do, is just mind boggling, obvious and laughable.

Unlike some others, I think the primary function of a forum such as this one is to provide the sort of information which will allow readers to make informed decisions.

I DON'T see it as the final arbiter on matters under discussion.

After all, Evolv is based in the USA, a country with a population exceeding 320 million.

A country in which there are still members of the Flat Earth Society

A country in which people believe The moon landing was faked and a country in which some people believe Bigfoot is real

So, I don't find it unusual that "Karen" and others like her are prepared to ignore:

1) Trey Whites' lies about his billionaire status
2) Trey Whites' lies about his successful business career
3) Evolvs' unverified research into "Archaea Active"
4) The only source of information about "Archae Active" is Evolv itself
5) The only source of information about the supposed history and accomplishments of the researcher/s behind "Archaea Active" are the researcher/s themselves
6) MD Anderson describing Evolv as tap water
7) MD Andersons' legal action to prevent "Evolv" misrepresenting its' (Andersons" findings
8) Only anecdotal evidence supporting Evolvs' claims as to the benefits and/or outcomes of consuming its' water
9) The unlikelihood of ANY company choosing to market its' product via MLM, when the medical and/or pharmaceutical industries would pay BILLIONS for the rights to a product which could do as Evolv claims.
10) The number of MLM "heavy hitters" who have ALREADY "hit and run"

"Karen" or anyone else so inclined is at liberty to attempt to market ice to eskimos, sand to Bedouins or bottled tap water to the sick, gullible or desperate.

I am in no doubt, whatsoever, there are enough people within the 320 million to allow Evolv and "Karen" to shift a few cartons and make a few bucks.

I am also confident that the great majority of people are sufficiently savvy to run, not walk, away from the Evolv scamsters and the fraudulent operation they purport to represent.

Keep posting, Karen, keep posting.

The first rule of holes applies.

Originally Posted by Karen

Life Aloft

one more thing
you said: Crews are allowed rest times during long flights and the air is the cockpit is "fresher" do to it's specific design, which is done purposely so that the flight deck crew is breathing fresher and more oxygenated air and can stay alert.

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Yes - and if you read the report, Archaea Active increases oxygen uptake.

Karen

You completely missed the point. Let me explain it to you....the entire Cabin Crew and all of the passengers are breathing the same air. The Cabin Crews follow the guidlines set out by the FAA and have less problems with jet lag. Frequent travelers do the same. The reason that the oygen for the cockpit is on a seperate unit and is a bit fresher is to the keep the pilots more alert! It has little to do with jet lag. Again, drinking plain old water will have the same effect as drinking evol. I specifcally stated that: "so that the flight deck crew is breathing fresher and more oxygenated air and can stay alert. " It has a positive effect on jet lag because they are not drowsy, nodding off, taking short naps, taking more rest breaks and can keep their circadian rthyms better. You ignored all the other recommendations given by the FAA that crews use to fight jet lag. Why was that? You misinterpreted what I said and used that as another excuse to try and say oh...evol is oxygenated and that is why it worked. I call bull puckey. One has to use as many of the steps advised by the FAA to fight jet lag. Oxygen alone does zippo for you. There have been countless serious medical studies and there has been research for many years on this subject, so your "opinion" about evol curing jet lag, doesn't fly, hun. Good try, but hey I expect nothing less. You recruiters are a slick bunch, I will give you that.

Originally Posted by Karen

Life Aloft

you got me!!!

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LA: What "many drugs" specifically, do not have a listed MOA? Even aspirin has this. lmao

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I spoke to a pharmacological expert, in the field for over 50 years, and that is what he told me. I apologize that I trusted his word and didn't get a lengthy listing.

Signed,
the Silly Shill

More bull puckey. No real "pharmacological expert" would ever say such a thing. You got this lie from Trey and the Evol upline.

Originally Posted by Karen

Busy Life Aloft,

you said: Let me ask you Karen, why have you chose to ignore this? I would like to see you comment on this.

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Thank you for your graciousness...

Some of us have jobs. Be a teeny patient, ok???

It is my understanding the MDACC did, in fact, indisputably, do the testing.
Mr. Wilonsky quite obviously has some sort of axe to grind.

Why don't you get an update from MDACC and see what they say?

Again you have posted your "opinion" and no facts. It does not matter what you "believe" and what Trey and the upline have fed you dear. It matters what the truth and the facts are. Are you calling the parties at the The University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center liars? Do you think they are suing Evol just for funsies and that they do not have a case? Give you time? Hmmm, this suit was filed Nov. 19 2009. lmao You are trying to tell us that you never heard of it til now? That makes three strikes of bull puckey from you now.

Originally Posted by Karen

My new buddy A Life Aloft:

you said: And finally Karen, any comments on this? I do expect a response back from you:

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As I said earlier, I don't know Trey White.
I've been familiar with the product for about a decade.

I believe in the product. Family, friends and acquaintances believe in the product... Long before "Evolv" came into existance.

Karen

So you don't care about the lack of ethics, morals, the lies and deceit about Trey who is one of the top dogs on the pyramid at Evol? From Evolv's website:

Evolvhealth.comEvolvHealth was developed by a team of scientists in conjunction with a team of seasoned entrepreneurs, marketers and direct sellers led by Trey White.

So you believe that an ethical and legit comapny would have a person such as Trey as their little leader of the reps and distributors and that this is okay for you? This does not discredit them in any way? The fact that he propagates himself as a billionaire which is bogus and the rest of the phony lies is not a problem for you?

Amazing. Really amazing. When hit with the ugly truth, you just cop a plea. Ignornace is bliss. So is greed at any cost, I guess.

Originally Posted by Karen

Life Aloft

you got me!!!

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LA: What "many drugs" specifically, do not have a listed MOA? Even aspirin has this. lmao

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I spoke to a pharmacological expert, in the field for over 50 years, and that is what he told me. I apologize that I trusted his word and didn't get a lengthy listing.

Signed,
the Silly Shill

A lengthy listing? Name one. lol Did you miss this part hun: ARE MOA's not required by the FDA and by the EMEA?

Originally Posted by Karen

I continue to receive things like this (JUST came in) from customers:


On 10/22/2010 8:15 PM, B wrote:
I'm so sorry that I was unable to see you all while you were here. My most recent bout with this PMR was a horrible one, I tripled my Prednisone, and here we are some 3 weeks later and I'm now just beginning to feel good again.

I continue to drink 2 bottles of Evolv everyday and feel that it is doing some good, but my latest attack of PMR makes me question just what triggers an episode like this one. I will continue to provide you with updates and hopefully good progress reports. I personally feel very positive about Evolv. I hope all is well in your family.

I'll be ordering 4 more cases on Monday and I'll plan to pick them up in Denver. Thanks again.

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Yep - I do have actual customers...

Karen

Bull puckey part four. You really are on a role. Personal testamonies from anyone, inlcuding you and those in your downline or those you sell this worthless crap to is not scientific or medical evidence nor is it scientific or medical fact! Double blind studies conducted by a legit entities and research conducted by a legit entities are. Spare us the b.s.

Originally Posted by Karen

Well y'all,

Hope the shill at least got some wheels churning...
I'm not sure if any of us has all the answers. I know I don't.
But maybe this was food for thought.

Research cell signaling in your spare time. Interesting science...

nighty night...
karen

You don't seem to have any answers actually. You never gave one direct and specific answer to anything that I asked you in fact! ROTFL!

Originally Posted by Karen

Research cell signaling in your spare time. Interesting science...

Why ????

Are you now claiming that an odourless, colourless, tasteless, unproven-to-even-exist- much-less-work additive to everyday tapwater has some relationship to "cell signaling"

Or is that just another MLM trick to encourage people to talk about anything else rather than the obvious inconsistencies and lies coming out of the "Evolv" MLM company ???

The ongoing study/ies of "cell signaling" are, indeed, fascinating.

That having been said, what the hell does it have to do with "Evolv" ???

Hi ALA

You said: You misinterpreted what I said and used that as another excuse to try and say oh...evol is oxygenated and that is why it worked. I call bull puckey. One has to use as many of the steps advised by the FAA to fight jet lag. Oxygen alone does zippo for you. There have been countless serious medical studies and there has been research for many years on this subject, so your "opinion" about evol curing jet lag, doesn't fly, hun. Good try, but hey I expect nothing less. You recruiters are a slick bunch, I will give you that.

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Please show me where I said Evolv is "oxygenated".
Please show me where I said Evolv "cures" jet lag.
Please show me where I am "recruiting".

Thanks!

Dear ALA,

You said: More bull puckey. No real "pharmacological expert" would ever say such a thing. You got this lie from Trey and the Evol upline.

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Are you trying to quote Rep. Joe Wilson?

Howdy ALA,

You said:

Again you have posted your "opinion" and no facts. It does not matter what you "believe" and what Trey and the upline have fed you dear. It matters what the truth and the facts are. Are you calling the parties at the The University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center liars? Do you think they are suing Evol just for funsies and that they do not have a case? Give you time? Hmmm, this suit was filed Nov. 19 2009. lmao You are trying to tell us that you never heard of it til now? That makes three strikes of bull puckey from you now.

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Uh no.
MDACC and Futureceuticals did test.
No I did not call anyone a liar, you have insinuated that I am.
I'm just saying that was 11 months ago.
Why don't you get an update on the case and inform us all?

AFA giving me time...
You accused me of dodging the question.
I asked for time because I can't be 2 places at once.
I'm not lurking here all day.

I didn't even know you existed until yesterday and here you are calling me dear.

regarding post 317...
You must have very very strong legs to make these leaps.

I'll try again slowly....

The
product
is
for
real.

The
inventors
are
well-respected
in
their
fields.

I
have
personally
benefited
from
the
product,
as
have
others
in
my
family,
and
friends,
and
acquaintances.

Karen