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    Re: Is Rippln a pyramid scheme? MLM? fun game? You decide.

    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw View Post
    Does anyone have any thoughts on the actual business merits of the app itself?
    I think Oz sums it up beautifully over on his BehindMLM.com blog

    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Re: Is Rippln a pyramid scheme? MLM? fun game? You decide.

    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    Nothing at all.

    HOWEVER, it means no matter where the complainant resides, he or she will be forced to use the Texas court system to resolve any disputes.
    Don't think this is a red flag. I see this clause all over the place. I am a UK Chartered accountants and my own contracts specify UK court jusisdiction. I am not trying to scam anyone it is just common business practice.

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    Re: Is Rippln a pyramid scheme? MLM? fun game? You decide.

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe View Post
    This posted over at TechCrunch What Not To Do In Your Startup Promo Video | TechCrunch
    We welcome feedback, and we iterate quickly based on how the market is responding. If you've got something to say that isn't an opinion grounded in absolutely zero knowledge of business opportunity rules, regulations, & case law... we welcome your insight into our model.
    To be quite frank though, there's not a single person on techcrunch in this thread who's had one legitimate criticism about biz opp regulation. I can assure you, we have far more to lose than any one of you, and have thought a lot longer & harder then you have about the long term viability of this model. And we simply believe it's an idea who's time has come.
    Hmm for a legit business they seem quite concerned to say they are legitimate, and have a long term viability. Not something you see on say apple adverts or microsoft letters quite so prominently stressed.

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    Re: Is Rippln a pyramid scheme? MLM? fun game? You decide.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamstealer View Post
    Don't think this is a red flag. I see this clause all over the place. I am a UK Chartered accountants and my own contracts specify UK court jusisdiction. I am not trying to scam anyone it is just common business practice.
    In itself, you're entirely correct, it's not unusual.

    HOWEVER,

    put together with other "clues" it becomes of importance to someone looking to separate marketing hype from hard cold reality.

    "IF" and I do specify "IF" initial impressions turn out to be correct, the chances of anyone residing outside of Texas obtaining legal remedy are severely impaired by such a clause.

    The fact the same or similar clause appears in the contracts of a UK based chartered accountants has little or no relevance to that same clause appearing in the contract of a multi level marketing company being promoted to every corner of the globe.

    We're talking $300 and $900 charges here.

    Try getting a refund for those amounts through a Texas court.

    Normal practice or a risk not worth taking ??



    YOU decide
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    Re: Is Rippln a pyramid scheme? MLM? fun game? You decide.

    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw View Post
    "Many successful companies" anyone have an idea who these overachievers are? Seems to me these companies would be named in any promotional piece.

    iZigg, Burnlounge, ( FTC filed a lawsuit and shut them down) and LocalAdLink are the companies Brian Underwood the CEO was involved in.

    successful???

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    Re: Is Rippln a pyramid scheme? MLM? fun game? You decide.

    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw View Post
    Does anyone have any thoughts on the actual business merits of the app itself?
    Some rah-rah about gamification and social graph and other buzzwords, but basically, they want to pay people for doing "likes" and "pinning", at least that's what they say.

    However, what they're doing right now is:

    Pay into the system (be a "captain")
    Find members to join (free)
    Convert members to captains (paid)
    Have captains do the same thing you did (recruit free and paid members)
    When you get enough captains, you get paid.

    Kinda like Wazzub, come to think of it.
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    Re: Is Rippln a pyramid scheme? MLM? fun game? You decide.

    Quote Originally Posted by Newto View Post
    iZigg, Burnlounge, ( FTC filed a lawsuit and shut them down) and LocalAdLink are the companies Brian Underwood the CEO was involved in.

    successful???
    From the side of Ponzi/Pyramid promoter: resounding yes. I think that he truly believes that he is was successful businessman in his "industry".

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    Re: Is Rippln a pyramid scheme? MLM? fun game? You decide.

    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw View Post

    Does anyone have any thoughts on the actual business merits of the app itself?
    There is no way to evaluate something that does not exist. They have zero info except "business" promo on their website. To be honest, I highly doubt that it will ever become available.

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    Re: Is Rippln a pyramid scheme? MLM? fun game? You decide.

    Quote Originally Posted by fromthehood View Post
    There is no way to evaluate something that does not exist. They have zero info except "business" promo on their website. To be honest, I highly doubt that it will ever become available.
    I tend to agree with everything that was posted, just wanted to make sure equal time was given in case I was being a Negative Nancy.

    Assuming that it does come into existence I wonder what sort of apps they will have available? If I had the latest and greatest thing, lets call it the Ribs N Chicken App why would I not just create my own site and let people download it without cutting 400,000 ham and eggers in on the profit? Second, one of the reasons Facebook and others work so well is they are free to sign up and use, I suspect 400,000 people tweeting about some great app where they are going to earn a commission will get as old as Glister Toothpaste and SA8 laundry detergent being pushed by Uncle Harry at every family gathering.
    "It's virtually impossible to violate rules ... but it's impossible for a violation to go undetected, certainly not for a considerable period of time." Bernie Madoff
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    Re: Is Rippln a pyramid scheme? MLM? fun game? You decide.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamstealer View Post
    Nothing wrong with being a dreamstealer.
    LOL. Is that term still used? I remember some Amway people saying that "negative" nellies were dreamstealers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luzer View Post
    LOL. Is that term still used? I remember some Amway people saying that "negative" nellies were dreamstealers.
    Oh, yes. Seen it used by Wazzub-ies, TVI-tes, and more.

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    Re: Is Rippln a pyramid scheme? MLM? fun game? You decide.

    Rippln FAQ "4.0" uploaded only hours ago claimed they have SEO team standing by to "take care" of any negative commentaries. :D

    Rippln FAQ v4.0
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    Re: Is Rippln a pyramid scheme? MLM? fun game? You decide.

    Quote Originally Posted by kschang View Post
    Rippln FAQ "4.0" uploaded only hours ago claimed they have SEO team standing by to "take care" of any negative commentaries. :D

    Rippln FAQ v4.0
    OOOOOH, goody.

    Hopefully they'll sue their detractors.

    Wouldn't THAT make for an interesting court hearing ??
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    Re: Is Rippln a pyramid scheme? MLM? fun game? You decide.

    Quote Originally Posted by ribshaw View Post

    Assuming that it does come into existence I wonder what sort of apps they will have available? If I had the latest and greatest thing, lets call it the Ribs N Chicken App why would I not just create my own site and let people download it without cutting 400,000 ham and eggers in on the profit? Second, one of the reasons Facebook and others work so well is they are free to sign up and use, I suspect 400,000 people tweeting about some great app where they are going to earn a commission will get as old as Glister Toothpaste and SA8 laundry detergent being pushed by Uncle Harry at every family gathering.
    Found their FAQ. Only two large FAQ sections about how they are not scam or MLM.

    "What can you tell me about the App that is being released soon – what will it be like and do?
    Answer:

    At this time we are not revealing the full features or compatibility of the application as we are trying to protect
    the intellectual property of the company that is being developed. We are constantly evolving as our Rippln grows
    exponentially so keep an eye out for updates!
    "

    "Full features"? I do not see any features? I think if it ever sees light of day it will be copy of some primitive app that already exist.

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    Re: Is Rippln a pyramid scheme? MLM? fun game? You decide.

    The latest steaming pile of sale pitch from Rippln:

    For thousands of years, the process of making
    
steel was virtually unchanged. It was very hard 

    and time-consuming.

    But in 1905, Andrew Carnegie added a new technology

    that made the steel-making process faster and easier...

    And almost overnight, he made 1000 new millionaires,

    who were previously little more than normal steel laborers
    
before the technology was introduced.

    Here's the important history lesson:
    When new technologies are introduced (that make
    
processes faster and easier) it ALWAYS produces
    
new wealth for the people.

    We are currently living in an era where the technology has

    made the process of purchasing easier and faster than ever before.

    In the past, we would have to carry checks, or lug around
    
cash and coins, or even pull out our credit card and sign a receipt.

    But today, through mobile commerce, even those old forms
    
of paying are becoming more and more obsolete.

    Let me explain:
    Let’s say you have an iPhone and download a free app game
    
like “Clash of Clans.” The purpose of the game is to create a clan,
    
build a village for the clan, and train your warriors to protect your 

    village from invaders.

    But here’s where it gets interesting: although you can play for free
    
and slowly earn virtual “gems” to help you fund clans projects. 

    You can also make an “IN APP” purchase to speed up the pace 

    of gem-getting.

    For instance, with the touch of a finger, you can purchase a
    
“pile of Gems” ($4.99), a “bag of Gems” ($9.99), a “sack of Gems” ($19.99),
    
a “box of Gems” ($49.99), or…if you are feeling really ambitious to get
    
some extra swords and sling-shots to fight off the barbarian invaders, 

    you can touch your iphone screen and purchase a “chest of Gems” for only $99.99.

    The company “Supercell” (based in Finland), who makes “Clash of Clans” earns just a tad over $1,000,000 per day through these “In-APP” purchases worldwide. Yes, that’s one million per day from people nonchalantly tapping their phone.

    Apple gets a 30% of the cut (or about $300,000) daily just from Supercell. And Supercell brings home around $700,000 per day.

    Not too shabby.

    Remember this: when the ability to purchase is made easier through technology, more wealth is created FASTER than ever.

    Remember this too: when people play “Clash of Clans”, they are encouraged to just press a button and invite all their Facebook friends to play with them. (BTW- if I get another Farmville invite I’m going to freak out!)

    Anyway, some of the invited friends actually begin to play. And believe it or not, LOTS of those people end up purchasing LOTS of gems….which brings Supercell a healthy $1,000,000 a day.

    Now…once again we have a curious scenario:
    The users, the fans, and the players of “Clash of Clans” are the real evangelists and unsuspecting advertisers for Supercell. They invite their friends in droves. Their friends buy virtual “sacks of gems” like they are going out of style.

    The math breaks down to something like this:
    “Clash of Clans” Company = $1,000,000 per day
    “Apple” = $300,000 per day (at 30%)
    “Players who SHARE the game” = $0

    Did you know the most bankable commodity in the world is not diamonds or oil, it’s your friends in your phone and in your social graph. Tech companies are currently harvesting that wealth in droves…and the people are shut out.

    Does anyone else see an odd relationship with the way things currently are?
    Imagine if the Ripple introduces a game like "Clash of Clans" (which would bring the ripple about $1,000,000 per day, or 365 Million in a year...from...a...game).

    This doesn't even hint at the possibilities our platform provides.

    We believe that just like Andrew Carnegie's new technology created over 1000 millionaires...we believe the ripple-tracking technology that RECOGNIZES and
 rewards you for your social graph...may go down in history as one of the most
innovative ideas of the century.

    Let us be very clear: building your ripple right now may be one of the most important things you can possibly do in your entire life.

    We will explain more later.

    Keep Rippln!
    Let's see:

    “Players who SHARE the game = $0"

    Add to that:

    "The amount of money Rippln will ever make off of Clash of the Clans = $0"

    God these people are in so far over their heads. The didn't seem to realize that with all the hype they were pumping out the tech community just might take notice of them. And when they did they laughed out loud at how stupid the sales pitch was. And I'm sure they didn't count on a tepid reaction from MLMer's like Troy Dooly. It's fairly certain that Jonathan Budd wont return to Oz's BehindMLM for another honest assesment of their business model.

    All they have is hype. Well that and a very public impending failure on their hands.
    So your prophets of finance have fallen on their collective proverbial face, and you hear muffled voices calling: Welcome to the human race.
    You made a killing dealing real estate at NASA selling cemetery plots in outer space til some falling coffins crashed upon your doorstep: Welcome to the human race.

    Open up your heart...

    Welcome to RealScam.com.

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    Re: Is Rippln a pyramid scheme? MLM? fun game? You decide.

    The problem with that bogus logic is simple: they can't TRACK the in-app purchases without tapping into Apple's API, or be the in-app purchase processor.

    And Apple do NOT allow people to track / recommend apps. They already tossed AppGratis off iTunes app store. NO WAY they'll allow third-party access to in-app purchase data.

    And NO WAY some game maker will choose to use Rippln's in-app payment processor instead of Apple's (or Google's, or Amazon's), that's assuming they have one.

    So the only way to get such data is from the publisher themselves... You have to register your game twice: once with Rippln, and once with the game publisher. THEN the publisher have to tell Rippln who bought what, and give Rippln the rebate to be distributed.

    Now why would any publisher do that, hmmm?

    Logically this doesn't float, once you analyze the system. It looks good on the surface. It's a facade of high tech with nothing underneath.
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    Re: Is Rippln a pyramid scheme? MLM? fun game? You decide.

    Seems this is just an offshoot of Lacore Enterprises (bHIP Global) as it seem to use Direct Sales Software Inc. (a part of bHIP)
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    Re: Is Rippln a pyramid scheme? MLM? fun game? You decide.

    Mike Briggs posted this on his FB page :


    Yesterday near Handforth, United Kingdom.

    300,000 people signed up to Rippln in just two weeks. You need an invite to join this latest communication revolution. I have just five invites to give out. If you want one, just ask. check out See Why #EverybodysRippln At http://GetMyRippleOn.Com – Hangout With The Leaders Of Rippln And Learn Their Strategies! | Internet Lifestyle Network

    Then, low and behold, today, THIS appeared on his FB page:
    7 hours ago near London.
    Are you Rippln yet?

    I have just signed up my tenth person to Rippln. I now have a further five invites to give away.

    If you want one, then get back to me asap as they will soon go.

    Rippln is forcast to be bigger than Facebook, it is certainly growing faster than Facebook did when it was first released.


    Telling lies already Mike..tut,tut,tut.

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    Re: Is Rippln a pyramid scheme? MLM? fun game? You decide.

    We need a term for Rippln followers.

    I coined the term "Wazzubies" for Wazzub followers. In that vein, I suggest RippleHeads. (All waves, no brains)
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    Re: Is Rippln a pyramid scheme? MLM? fun game? You decide.

    I see our old friend Iain Sherriff of Talking BB fame has now got rid of the Banners Broker ads and is promoting Rippln on his website instead.

    UKLows - Index

    There is defnitely a pattern arising of these scams and the people involved.
    Just looking to seek the truth.

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    Re: Is Rippln a pyramid scheme? MLM? fun game? You decide.

    I'm betting Roland Millward will be in soon.

    If Simon Stepsys or Mark Ghobril are involved it's 100% a SCAM!

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    Came across this guy in FB spouting off about a book he had written and how you could "Think and Grow Rich". He seems to be connected several of these "programs/ponzis,etc".

    Franco Gonzalez

    In some of the links I followed, came across some videos on Rippln -



    His Google account shows that he is connected with Empower Network.
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/107587944698746012549/posts

    Franco Gonzalez - YouTube
    Don't get ripped off!! Stay informed!

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    Yep, a definite serial get-rich-quick pimp

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    Our Jamie...'The guy from England' explaining why he is 'trusted' by so many people. And how much easier it is to 'get people interested' in his latest scam..sorry, business.



    Sippin and Rippln April 26th at GetMyRippleOn.Com - Rippln Live Training! - YouTube

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