Thread: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

I just found this

nancijofrazer said 7 days ago
Nanci Jo Frazer is launches her blog on how she desires "Ridiculous Living". Her son was dying, she was betrayed in her business, her identity stolen, husband lost his job & was a victim of cyber harassment. Yet she says she would not change a thing?

nancijofrazer.blogspot.com

Nanci Jo Frazer is launches her blog on how she desires "Rid
The link points to an outdated blog where she was whoring various MLM looking things, pre ProSun...I wonder if I'm not doing something right, or if she has sometime in the last 7 days thought better of it and deleted the new content.

'Anyone else having an issue seeing page 95 besides me?

I was able to go right to 95. Clearing cookies might help?

Originally Posted by Soapboxmom

I was able to go right to 95. Clearing cookies might help?

I did, and it still didn't work. So I made my post above and it took me to page 95. Then I rebooted and viola, I can now access page 95. Go figure.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

'Anyone else having an issue seeing page 95 besides me?

I couldn't see page 95 until a few minutes ago. It always stopped on page 94.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

I did, and it still didn't work. So I made my post above and it took me to page 95. Then I rebooted and viola, I can now access page 95. Go figure.

The reason may well be because a heap of self promotion posts were removed from the thread.

OK, I said I was done posting to this thread as I believed that was the decision of the powers that be due to the fact that I am making money now with my book. I am back with something that I need some help on, so you can delete this or read it and consider what I uncovered today. On a lark I called the two Profitable Sunrise phone numbers. The fax number is still working 407-264-6951. Also, the landline number of 352-505-9949 is also working and someone answered it this afternoon. I was a bit startled, so I asked for the name of a fake business to see if I could get them to tell me who they were. They said I had the wrong number and I asked them what business I was calling, they would not say and sounded kind of nervous. They said they just got this number recently, but did not sound believable in saying so. So, I did some searching and found this page Telephone Activity Report: blog.plusdinero.com Tel:352-505-9949 which if you look at the bottom you will see that the 352-505-9949 was at one time linked with a site PlusDinero.com - Gana dinero en internet con Fussion6 So, if you check out the registration record of this company Whois Lookup | Domain Availability - Registration Information you will see that they are based in Panama. I know that some of the proceeds of Pro Sun were wired to Panama so there is a connection there, at least geographically. This site also seems to be a money game of some type, although it is in Spanish and I used the translator tool but I did not fully understand what the business proposition was. The question here is if this company shared the same phone number with Pro Sun (which is clearly a forwarding number of some type) does this connect the ownership group? Does this provide any clue as to the people that are behind Pro Sun? Since this company is still operating, does this give the authorities any leads on Pro Sun? The address is Elvira Mendez 52 Panama City, Panama. This appears to be a high rise office building in the banking district of downtown Panama City (which may just be another drop box location). The name of the program being promoted on this site is Fussion 6. If you do a search you will find quite a lot of sites and videos on this program, but all in Spanish. Here is a page from MoneyMaker Group on the program Fussion6 - Fussion6.com
I queried Eagle earlier on some of this, but I am guessing that he is out of town as I did not hear back, so I thought I would post it here. If anyone thinks this should go to law enforcement and not be posted here, please advise and I will delete.

James, it is probably a VoIP service, that you should have asked the person who picked it up, which service he used,
there could be a billing record left behind on the past owner, law enforcement probably looked into that already.

but here is info on the number:

Service Provider: Level 3 Communications, LLC - FL
Tower Switch: GSVLFLMAX5X
Phone Type: Landline

As of a link to Fussion6, think of a VOIP service which takes annonymous payment methods such as Liberty Reserve or Perfect Money or BitCoins
That is one of the reasons sometimes different scams pop up on the same historical phone number, scammers love Voip service they can get anonymously.


There is no way "roman" would still keep any service or link from PS, it is too hot.

Yes, I get that but it looks like they had the number at the same time that Pro Sun had it. That is why there is a likely connection here.

VOIP service also has the advantage of being auto-forwarding. You thought you called a number in LA and it ended up somewhere in India or Bulgaria.

Here is original registry on PLUSDINERO.COM and it was switched to panama only on Jan 15 of this year.



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Perhaps there is some Spain connection, because deposition mentioned paypal regarding account of this individual: Milton Telxeira Da Silva
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Originally Posted by JamesParis

the landline number of 352-505-9949 is also working and someone answered it this afternoon. I was a bit startled, so I asked for the name of a fake business to see if I could get them to tell me who they were. They said I had the wrong number and I asked them what business I was calling, they would not say and sounded kind of nervous. They said they just got this number recently, but did not sound believable in saying so. So, I did some searching and found this page Telephone Activity Report: blog.plusdinero.com Tel:352-505-9949 which if you look at the bottom you will see that the 352-505-9949 was at one time linked with a site PlusDinero.com - Gana dinero en internet con Fussion6 So, if you check out the registration record of this company Whois Lookup | Domain Availability - Registration Information you will see that they are based in Panama. I know that some of the proceeds of Pro Sun were wired to Panama so there is a connection there, at least geographically. This site also seems to be a money game of some type, although it is in Spanish and I used the translator tool but I did not fully understand what the business proposition was. The question here is if this company shared the same phone number with Pro Sun (which is clearly a forwarding number of some type) does this connect the ownership group? Does this provide any clue as to the people that are behind Pro Sun? Since this company is still operating, does this give the authorities any leads on Pro Sun? The address is Elvira Mendez 52 Panama City, Panama. This appears to be a high rise office building in the banking district of downtown Panama City (which may just be another drop box location). The name of the program being promoted on this site is Fussion 6. If you do a search you will find quite a lot of sites and videos on this program, but all in Spanish. Here is a page from MoneyMaker Group on the program Fussion6 - Fussion6.com

My Spanish is rusty but the site is devoid of info other than something about Mondiallines.com, a VOIP service that allows people to make calls. (Big deal! NOT!) The $5 starting position supposedly is for X number of minutes. But you also join matrix positions, as explained in MMG.

The domain was created with domain privacy already in place.

Server, however, revealed it that also hosted

1 fussion6.com 16,913
2 lineasmundiales.com 168,550
3 betsportfun.com 359,372
4 webcba.com 1,000,000+
5 tilbet.com

And LineasMundiales wasn't private registered, so its WHOIS gave us this:

Domain Name: LINEASMUNDIALES.COM
Registrar URL: Wild West Domains
Updated Date: 2013-05-06 11:40:30
Creation Date: 2013-02-14 18:35:53
Registrar Expiration Date: 2018-02-14 18:35:53
Registrar: Wild West Domains, LLC
Reseller: Mondial Service
Registrant Name: SATURTINO SEGADE COSTOYA
Registrant Organization: MONDIALLINES S.A
Registrant Street: LAS TABLAS
Registrant City: LAS TABLAS
Registrant State/Province: LOS SANTOS
Registrant Postal Code: 46017
Registrant Country: Panama
Admin Name: ELU ZAPATA
Admin Organization:
Admin Street: C/almacera
Admin City: valencia
Admin State/Province: Valencia
Admin Postal Code: 46017
Admin Country: Spain
Admin Phone: 34685615870
Admin Fax:
Admin Email:
Tech Name: ELU ZAPATA
Tech Organization:
Tech Street: C/almacera
Tech City: valencia
Tech State/Province: Valencia
Tech Postal Code: 46017
Tech Country: Spain
Tech Phone: 34685615870

No outright smoking gun links that I see.

kschang, lineasmundiales.com was also registered originaly to a Spain person (on Feb 14 this year)

Code:

  Registrant:
   MONDIALLINES S.A
   LAS TABLAS
   LAS TABLAS, LOS SANTOS 46017
   Panama

   Administrative Contact:
      ZAPATA, ELU  eluzapata@modiallines.com
      C/almacera
      valencia, Valencia 46017
      Spain
      34685615870

all that Panama stuff on all of them just their offshore comp. registration crap

MONDIALLINES is some crappy MLM which resells Voip, i will wait for spanish speakers to look into it deeply.

but Bingo, here is how you pay for service (from their FAQ):

...
virtual de los conocidos (alert, liberty, pay pal, etc).
..

Interesting update from Patrick,

Nanci group or some idiots posting threats to him to remove articles on Profitable Sunrise and Nanci

OUR ANSWER: ‘Nuts!’ PP Blog Receives Threat That ‘Authorities’ Will Move Against It If It Doesn’t Remove Content About Profitable Sunrise Figure Nanci Jo Frazer And Others; Email Claims FBI ‘Fully Aware Of All Your

Originally Posted by NikSam

As of a link to Fussion6, think of a VOIP service which takes annonymous payment methods such as Liberty Reserve or Perfect Money or BitCoins
That is one of the reasons sometimes different scams pop up on the same historical phone number, scammers love Voip service they can get anonymously.


There is no way "roman" would still keep any service or link from PS, it is too hot.

2 scams end up with the same phone number and your suggesting this is just a coincidence??....From my experience there is no such thing as coincidence when it comes to scams....In most cases scam admins are lazy and tight when it comes to spending money......

Just my opinion....

Originally Posted by okosh

2 scams end up with the same phone number and your suggesting this is just a coincidence??....From my experience there is no such thing as coincidence when it comes to scams....In most cases scam admins are lazy and tight when it comes to spending money......

Just my opinion....

I did not say a coincedence, considering the place they got this phone number, another scammers paradise of a kind ( VoIP MLM) which
takes anonymous virtual currencies. Do you think that VoIP disconnects phone number forever after a client stoped paying ?
no, it will be sold almost instant to another guy, a price for FL area number is around $5 per month on VoIP market, why would they abandon it?

But since that VoIP place is spanish-speaking only, we can suspect "roman" or some of his accomplices were spanish-speaking.

I bet most of phone numbers from that place involved in something non legal.

Also as far as i see Plusdinero is not a scam per se, it is just a scam pimping blog ,in spanish pimping Fusion6 - a spanish crap.

All links to Fussion6 on Plusdinero are redirected with appended referral ids (3 different in cycle)

Info on those pimps:

sami32, samulema@hotmail.com, Samuel Leiva Machio
mavaisoon, mavaisoon3@gmail.com, manuel vazquez iglesias
keko, keko.com@gmail.com, Sergio Lopez Moya

Ok, now it is clear, there is no connection.
The only reason PS phone was mentioned on that blog (as James found) was in reference to PS itself , at that time
the blog also pimped Profitable Sunrise (and that is what telephoneactivity.com detected)

this is their (now deleted, courtesy of archive.org) Dec 16 post :




And whoever answered James call on the now working ex-PS number, might be just a private person who does not like answering questions like "who did I just call ?" - same as me :)


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How many different ways can you spell Nancy? A rose by any other name ...

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Nancie Joann | LinkedIn

It makes no difference how many different ways she tries to spell her name, everyone now knows her and what she is. So much for her astute business acumen and being a successful marketer. Successful Ponzi pimp, but not even close to a successful marketer.

The Email sent to Patrick to his patrickprettyblog is so full of lies that only the die hard faithful would believe it. I get the feeling that the number of her true believers of her are dwindling fast after the past few months, especially after this pathetic attempt at trying to sanitize her image and those around her. It also tells me that the tens of thousands of people who have followed her into her other Ponzi's are waking up and not joining anything she is promoting now.

Whether she actually wrote this or not, it has her name attached to it. She has not made any public announcement that she did not write this or did not authorize it to be written and sent; so now she owns it. There is no doubt in my mind that she authorized this to be written and sent, somehow thinking she could later deny any involvement. She does not have enough sense to come in out of the rain. This woman needs serious professional help and soon; or she is going for the insanity defense at her trial.

The Ohio court case cannot come soon enough to expose all of these lies so everyone can see the true Nanci/Nancy/Nancie Jo/Joanne Frazer.

I called Kansas and Ohio today. They both confirmed that neither case has been dropped or settled. They would not comment on whether or not there are settlement discussions taking place.

Nanci has nothing to bring to the table for settlement, maybe only "guilty" plea.

Or perhaps surrender an offshore bank account she might have, in a country like for an example - Philippines ;)

Something that continues to bother me. According to public records in Williams County, Ohio the Frazers took out a mortgage in March of 2012 in the amount of $234,000. According to Zillow, the current value of their home is $146,000 but in March of 2012, the value was only $139,000.

Questions -

1. How did they get a mortgage for nearly $100,000 over the value of their home?

2. Where did the money go? According to the Frazers, other than the retirement funds of David Frazer, they have little if any other assets. Now, add to this the fact that David Frazer also inherited a six figure amount of money on top of this. Where is all of this money? Not to mention the earnings of Nancy Jo Frazer from Profitable Sunrise. They also admitted in the August 30th hearing to have set up a Nevada Corporation, so they were indeed making plans to hide money. No question about that.

frazermortgage.jpg

Originally Posted by JamesParis

Something that continues to bother me. According to public records in Williams County, Ohio the Frazers took out a mortgage in March of 2012 in the amount of $234,000. According to Zillow, the current value of their home is $146,000 but in March of 2012, the value was only $139,000.

Questions -

1. How did they get a mortgage for nearly $100,000 over the value of their home?

2. Where did the money go? According to the Frazers, other than the retirement funds of David Frazer, they have little if any other assets. Now, add to this the fact that David Frazer also inherited a six figure amount of money on top of this. Where is all of this money? Not to mention the earnings of Nancy Jo Frazer from Profitable Sunrise. They also admitted in the August 30th hearing to have set up a Nevada Corporation, so they were indeed making plans to hide money. No question about that.

frazermortgage.jpg

Do you have information whether it was an underwater refi thru HARP or HAMP?

Originally Posted by laidback

Do you have information whether it was an underwater refi thru HARP or HAMP?

No, but that could be a good explanation for it.