Thread: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

Originally Posted by Myriad Force

Quite the fun jousting we shall have in 2013. The SEC is corrupt. How many licensed companies in the USA, are only licensed to steal from the masses.

You mortals must go a bit deeper. PROFITABLE SUNRISE has been making money for its members since 2009. They have been doing it online since 11-11-11.

C'mon, is that all you got.

Hey,

I don't think anybody here is saying get-rich-quickers and HYIP ponzi players won't join Profitable Sunrise

Some of them probably follow your tips and join under you.

SMART people, those who don't want to break any laws and newbies to the world of internet crime, on the other hand, will stay away in droves.

If ONE person saves their hard earned because of what's been said here, our (voluntary) job is done.

In the long run, it simply doesn't matter who believes what.

Profitable Sunrise, Myriad Force and all, will be yet "another" one of a squillion HYIP ponzi frauds to do the same and simply disappear.

Whatever the outcome and however long it takes, REALSCAM.com will still be here and anyone who follows our advice won't have lost any money.

Originally Posted by Myriad Force

One thing you lack, empirical evidence Profitable Sunrise is a ponzi. A ponzi has no source of cash flow outside those investing. Profitable Sunrise makes money from clients paying 2.5% to 3% for Hard Money loans. The money loaned is from the investors, of which I am one, which earns me 2.7% daily, in the Long Haul plan.
Are you even awake? Are you on crack?

You're talking to a demon. And no, I'm not one of the fallen from Heaven; there are many more entities classified as "demons" than just that one incident, and we aren't one cohesive culture.
Lying to me about your greed, however, doesn't work.

When the laws cap legal loans at 36% per year, and you are willfully lending money at a rate more than 10 times that, you can be exposed to the law in both letter and in spirit. Usury is still illegal in the United States, just under a different name in the lawbooks.

Ty: In regard to this answer about what happens to funds invested with profitable sunrise: All funds deposited with us are insured against loss and all the information related to your deposits with us is kept confidential.

Just who is insuring these funds, and what is the security that is equal to the amount of the loan plus the interest on the loan?

Originally Posted by Myriad Force

Hard Money loans.

There was an AdSurfDaily knockoff known as AdPayDaily that used the same number as a "hard-money" loan business purportedly in Kansas.

From the "hard-money" pitch: “To learn how to become a Hard Money Lender and earn 30+% per annum, call [a telephone number] . . .”

AdPayDaily appears to have collapsed. In retrospect, it looked like a cross between Profitable Sunrise and Banners Broker.

PPBlog

Originally Posted by littleroundman

I'm confused here, Myriad Force.

Are you now saying it's OK for an unregistered overseas based HYIP ponzi with it's website hosted within the United States to do business with U.S. citizens within the United States ???

What, are you living in some sort of parallel universe, or something ???

These cases aren't quite on point, LRM, but the same principle applies:

URGENT >> BULLETIN >> MOVING: CFTC Files Actions In Utah, Wyoming, New York And Illinois Against Domestic AND Offshore Firms In Second Phase Of Forex Sweep; 11 Companies Accused Of Illegally Soliciting U.S. Customers

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PPBlog, you might also want to reference legal actions against payday loan companies. Especially cases in which a company operated from a more lenient state into a more restrictive one in a bid to bypass the regulations of the place of business.

Originally Posted by PPBlog

These cases aren't quite on point, LRM, but the same principle applies:

URGENT >> BULLETIN >> MOVING: CFTC Files Actions In Utah, Wyoming, New York And Illinois Against Domestic AND Offshore Firms In Second Phase Of Forex Sweep; 11 Companies Accused Of Illegally Soliciting U.S. Customers

PPBlog

As I'm sure you realize, Patrick it's the "principle" which counts here.

The fact is, the laws are in place. Nothing to do with Profitable Sunrise or REALSCAM.com

One only has to consider the fate of overseas based online gambling site owners who chose to ignore the intent of the U.S. governments' laws to realize Myriad Forces' parallel universe is in force here.

It may make no difference to Myriad Forces' fellow HYIP ponzi players, they'll probably send more money BECAUSE it's illegal.

To newbies and first timers, it should be yet another reason to keep their money in their back pocket.

Originally Posted by ProfHenryHiggins

PPBlog, you might also want to reference legal actions against payday loan companies. Especially cases in which a company operated from a more lenient state into a more restrictive one in a bid to bypass the regulations of the place of business.

Here you go, Professor. See top:

3 PONZI/FRAUD CAPSULES: (1) Washington State Woman Jailed In Alleged $126 Million Ponzi Scheme; (2) Charity, Church, Investors In Metro Washington, D.C., Allegedly Scammed In $27M Ponzi; (3) South Florida Man Sentenced To More Than 12 Years In $29.5M

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PPBlog: Glad you could share this with anyone reading this thread to find out if PS is real or not. The only problem is that there is no way Myriad Force will bother to read it. He can't because he would know PS is a Ponzi. He will just say this doesn't apply to PS and is not "empirical evidence" that PS is a Ponzi.

HeHe, thinking about Myriad Forces' constant droning of his "show me empirical evidence" mantra, makes me wonder if he requires "empirical evidence" from the weather forecaster before he'll believe it's going to rain / snow / hail / blow or "empirical evidence" the sun is going to be there tomorrow.

Actually, we could have a lot of fun with his "empirical evidence" demands.

I wonder if he has to have "empirical evidence" his chair isn't going to collapse before he sits down.

Does the shop owner have to provide "empirical evidence" it's in fact Coca Cola in that can before he'll put it to his lips ??

"Hey, mum, show me some "empirical evidence" that's steak and not liver you put on my plate"

This is all making me hungry for some Milk & Oreos.

I have stated earlier, I've seen the Inter Reef Loan License via Team Viewer, this is all the Empirical Evidence I need, along with the Exponential Expansion of my bank account.


You guys like RUSH? - here is what I am currently listening to, check out the Alex Lifeson lead beginning at 3:57. Some of you might debate if the lead actually begins at 3:57, you must have very Subtle Sensitivities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcOht70b9L4

There ya be, two new alliterations to throw into the mix.

Anyone having any real questions or concerns of Profitable Sunrise, feel free to contact me personally:
Ty Anderson
1834 River Ridge Road
Hudson, Wisconsin
54016
Ph:715-386-9750

I like Rush's music, true (surprised that a demon can appreciate beauty?).

But artist-affiliation or not, you aren't grasping several of the other points being made here.

One being that, whether PS is a ponzi or not, it is still violating laws unrelated to ponzis.

Originally Posted by ProfHenryHiggins

I like Rush's music, true (surprised that a demon can appreciate beauty?).

But artist-affiliation or not, you aren't grasping several of the other points being made here.

One being that, whether PS is a ponzi or not, it is still violating laws unrelated to ponzis.

Feel free to eludicate with specificity, which laws are being broken.

Originally Posted by Myriad Force

This is all making me hungry for some Milk & Oreos.

I have stated earlier, I've seen the Inter Reef Loan License via Team Viewer, this is all the Empirical Evidence I need, along with the Exponential Expansion of my bank account.


You guys like RUSH? - here is what I am currently listening to, check out the Alex Lifeson lead beginning at 3:57. Some of you might debate if the lead actually begins at 3:57, you must have very Subtle Sensitivities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcOht70b9L4

There ya be, two new alliterations to throw into the mix.

Anyone having any real questions or concerns of Profitable Sunrise, feel free to contact me personally:
Ty Anderson
1834 River Ridge Road
Hudson, Wisconsin
54016
Ph:715-386-9750

What have you seen? A piece of paper on an internet viewer. Licenses have numbers and references and an issuing body. So, as there is no record of a licence for Inter Reef Ltd to loan money or peddle investments, in either the UK or US, you are being very naive. Registrations and licenses are a matter of PUBLIC RECORD, not proprietary information.

If you wish to recover any credibility with the many readers of RS from all parts of the world, then I suggest you go back to your friend Nancy and ask for a screen shot of the so called license which can be verified with the relevant authorities.

Shouldn't be a problem, eh?

Originally Posted by Myriad Force

Feel free to eludicate with specificity, which laws are being broken.

You've been told already - making loans and offering investments without the necessary licenses to do so, in both the UK and USA. They are not licensed with the FSA nor FINRA which is a legal requisite to do either.

Originally Posted by Myriad Force

Feel free to eludicate with specificity, which laws are being broken.

As a start, look over the State of Wisconsin's requirements for lender licensing.
Wisconsin Legislature: Chapter 138

Originally Posted by ProfHenryHiggins

As a start, look over the State of Wisconsin's requirements for lender licensing.
Wisconsin Legislature: Chapter 138

Tsk, tsk, there you go confusing Myriad Force with "empirical facts." I mean his "empirical facts" consist of a screenshot he saw of a piece of paper he believes to be true, but has no knowledge if it is true or not. I can make up a piece of paper to make it say whatever I want and Myriad Force would believe it if I told him he would make a squillion dollars because of it.

But real "empirical evidence?" Nah he won't buy it. Some how in some magical way the law will not apply to PS.

Oh dear, you mean total lack of recorded licensing and registration required doesnt count as empirical? Oh well, back to the dictionary to see if I can find the new definition of empirical fact

Empirical Fact (as per Myriad Force)

It's true because my upline told me on the internet and I don't want it disproved as i am being paid

[QUOTE=EagleOne;39878][B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Tsk, tsk, there you go confusing Myriad Force with "empirical facts." I mean his "empirical facts" consist of a screenshot he saw of a piece of paper he believes to be true, but has no knowledge if it is true or not. I can make up a piece of paper to make it say whatever I want and Myriad Force would believe it if I told him he would make a squillion dollars because of it.

Yes indeed. Thank God Roman Novak moved the operation to the UK from the United States with its corrupt encumbrances and red-tape. We the citizens of the planet have the right (not priviledge) to invest our money the way we choose. No one is forcing any company to pay high rates to obtain Hard Money loans. It is all supply and demand. As the economy worsens and banks tighten up on loans, Profitable Sunrise will continue to boom, and so will our bank accounts.

Again, if you have any empirical evidence of Profitable Sunrise breaking any laws, please elaborate in detail. Posting websites that lay-out rules, does not prove anything.

Are we breaking the law if we refuse to pay Federal Taxes in the United States? The 16th amendment is unconstitutional. As soon as we fill out any Federal Tax forms, we give up our fifth amendment right to not prosecute ourselves. Any "laws" of man are in question, espeically if they are not inline with the United States Constitution - The Supreme Law of the Land.

I for one will not be paying any taxes on my earnings from PS. I will have an off-shore account, and only bring in 9k at a time into each of my accounts in the states.

Ka-ching.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

Tsk, tsk, there you go confusing Myriad Force with "empirical facts." I mean his "empirical facts" consist of a screenshot he saw of a piece of paper he believes to be true, but has no knowledge if it is true or not. I can make up a piece of paper to make it say whatever I want and Myriad Force would believe it if I told him he would make a squillion dollars because of it.

But real "empirical evidence?" Nah he won't buy it. Some how in some magical way the law will not apply to PS.

Yes indeed. Thank God Roman Novak moved the operation to the UK from the United States with its corrupt encumbrances and red-tape. We the citizens of the planet have the right (not priviledge) to invest our money the way we choose. No one is forcing any company to pay high rates to obtain Hard Money loans. It is all supply and demand. As the economy worsens and banks tighten up on loans, Profitable Sunrise will continue to boom, and so will our bank accounts.

Again, if you have any empirical evidence of Profitable Sunrise breaking any laws, please elaborate in detail. Posting websites that lay-out rules, does not prove anything.

Are we breaking the law if we refuse to pay Federal Taxes in the United States? The 16th amendment is unconstitutional. As soon as we fill out any Federal Tax forms, we give up our fifth amendment right to not prosecute ourselves. Any "laws" of man are in question, especially if they are not inline with the United States Constitution - The Supreme Law of the Land.

I for one will not be paying any taxes on my earnings from PS. I will have an off-shore account, and only bring in 9k at a time into each of my accounts in the states.

Ka-ching.

[QUOTE=Myriad Force;39881]

Originally Posted by EagleOne

[B][COLOR="#0000CD"]Tsk, tsk, there you go confusing Myriad Force with "empirical facts." I mean his "empirical facts" consist of a screenshot he saw of a piece of paper he believes to be true, but has no knowledge if it is true or not. I can make up a piece of paper to make it say whatever I want and Myriad Force would believe it if I told him he would make a squillion dollars because of it.

Yes indeed. Thank God Roman Novak moved the operation to the UK from the United States with its corrupt encumbrances and red-tape. We the citizens of the planet have the right (not priviledge) to invest our money the way we choose. No one is forcing any company to pay high rates to obtain Hard Money loans. It is all supply and demand. As the economy worsens and banks tighten up on loans, Profitable Sunrise will continue to boom, and so will our bank accounts.

Again, if you have any empirical evidence of Profitable Sunrise breaking any laws, please elaborate in detail. Posting websites that lay-out rules, does not prove anything.

Are we breaking the law if we refuse to pay Federal Taxes in the United States? The 16th amendment is unconstitutional. As soon as we fill out any Federal Tax forms, we give up our fifth amendment right to not prosecute ourselves. Any "laws" of man are in question, espeically if they are Unconstitutional - The Supreme Law of the Land.


Ka-ching.

The UK has Gambling Act 2005.

And that 16th Amendment argument failed so many times that it is listed among tax protester myths by many authorities.
Time for this demon to be a "mean widdle kid" and drop something very nasty on your karma.

Perhaps my old favorite, IRS Form 3949-A. Perhaps reporting you to the Wisconsin authorities as being in personal violation of the Wisconsin Uniform Securities Act. Perhaps pointing you out to the NSA as being a "sovereign citizen" and thus viewed as a domestic terrorist by FBI definitions.

Or perhaps I'll just hire something incomprehensible to have a go at you from Malkunofat's realm. You seem to be too convinced of your own positive nature to be able to admit perception of a non-physical qlippothic entity to yourself, so you shouldn't 't be able to understand or counter one entering your life.

Ok Myriad Force. Inter Reef is registered as a limited liability company with zero share capital in the UK. According to the records, it has no subsidiary companies.

Profitable Sunrise promoters refer to Inter Reef as their parent company. Where is the empirical evidence that this is true? What has one business to do with the other? Please explain because "my upline told me" doesnt count. The only empirical evidence that provides is that you believe everything you are told by those you choose to believe. (But you've already said that)

[QUOTE=ProfHenryHiggins;39883]

Originally Posted by Myriad Force

The UK has Gambling Act 2005.

And that 16th Amendment argument failed so many times that it is listed among tax protester myths by many authorities.
Time for this demon to be a "mean widdle kid" and drop something very nasty on your karma.

Perhaps my old favorite, IRS Form 3949-A. Perhaps reporting you to the Wisconsin authorities as being in personal violation of the Wisconsin Uniform Securities Act. Perhaps pointing you out to the NSA as being a "sovereign citizen" and thus viewed as a domestic terrorist by FBI definitions.

Or perhaps I'll just hire something incomprehensible to have a go at you from Malkunofat's realm. You seem to be too convinced of your own positive nature to be able to admit perception of a non-physical qlippothic entity to yourself, so you shouldn't 't be able to understand or counter one entering your life.

If you know the right attorney's, they have won many a litigation against the IRS. Trusting the "authorities" is like trusting the fox guarding the hen-house.

Your vacuous and laughable bravado of reporting me to the "authorities" in my home state, might hold water if I was offering securities in Wisconsin.

With each new post, you unveil more of your thoughtlessness...and bitterness.

That Entertainment.

[QUOTE=Myriad Force;39888]

Originally Posted by ProfHenryHiggins

If you know the right attorney's, they have won many a litigation against the IRS. Trusting the "authorities" is like trusting the fox guarding the hen-house.

Your vacuous and laughable bravado of reporting me to the "authorities" in my home state, might hold water if I was offering securities in Wisconsin.

With each new post, you unveil more of your thoughtlessness...and bitterness.

That Entertainment.

Let me guess, you never bothered to check the facts behind the claimed attorneys? Luis Ewing, Pete Hendrickson, Ed & Elaine Brown are names that come to mind from your description.

Let me point a few gruesome facts out to you, Ty.
Quatloos! • View forum - Tax Protestors, Pure Trusts, and Other Stupid De-Tax Schemes & Scams
Quatloos! • View forum - Sovereign Citizen and Redemption Scams

Those are forums that focus on discussion of people who use arguments like the ones you are. Take a look at how many failures are out there.

Perhaps I should just point you out to Janell Westerham, but I'm not sure that you're still driving a taxicab in her employ.

Myriad Force:

I think it is time for a little history lesson for you. Unlike you, most of us posting here have been exposing Ponzi's for a decade or longer. Okosh, littleroundman, GlimDropper, and others have been exposing Ponzi's/Scams around 15 years, and I am going on 9+ years. So we do know what we are talking about and we do know a Ponzi when we see it. For the last 4+ years Eagle has been working with federal law enforcement agencies worldwide assisting them with their investigations to put these criminals behind bars where they belong.

I am sure you think you are the first one to come on this forum, or any forum for that manner, and put us in our place. You know the mantra: we have to prove it is a Ponzi, anything we say is just our opinion and not based in fact, innocent until proven guilty, need empirical evidence, Social Security is a Ponzi, all government agencies are Ponzi's, and of course now your claim that the 16th amendment is not valid and you believe the myth that being offshore means the "evil" US authorities can't touch PS. I wouldn't be patting myself on the back just yet.

I hate to be the one breaking this news to you, but being offshore doesn't mean diddly squat. If a program is offered to just one US Citizen, the US authorities do have jurisdiction. And just like in the past, if they do decide to take down PS, they will.

I know this will come as a shock to you, but we don't have to prove anything. PS is the one who has to prove it is operating legally, and they haven't. If they were, you would see Inter Reef's Loan License on the PS website. It isn't there. You would also see their license and registrations numbers. They aren't there. There is no address on their website, there are no cv's of any of the major principals supposedly who run PS. In fact they contradict themselves on their website, and I'm sure you have caught that since you have done such extensive due diligence as to their validity. Wait, I forgot. All you've got is what you think you saw was a real loan license. (hint: it's not)

I'm just waiting to hear from you that Roman is going to have his lawyers suing all of us for defaming PS and taking the Lord's name in vain. I'm sure that's the next mantra we will hear. Yep, heard that one before too. Only problem is that as just as much as we want them to sue us, they never do. Hmmm, wonder why?

You are doing more to ruin the reputation of PS than anything we can say. We thank you for it. It is why we want you to keep posting. You are making our case for us to everyone who is reading this thread just how much PS is a Ponzi.

We couldn't have done it without you. Thanks, and also for your personal information.