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04-02-2013, 10:52 AM
#1901
Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
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04-02-2013, 11:29 AM
#1902
Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
Originally Posted by
EagleOne
According to Nanci Jo's conference call, on Good Friday no less, she has hired private investigators to dig up all the dirt they can on James Paris.
So let me get this straight. Nanci Jo has over 76,000 people in her Profitable Sunrise group, she has vouched for Roman Novak by claiming she has seen all the documents that proved PS was operating legally, and had been doing bridge loans in the US for the past 3 years. According to some of her group members she claimed she met him when she saw these documents, and Roman Novak shut down his website and has not brought the servers back online as well as Profitable Sunrise. So instead of sicking her PI"s on finding Roman Novak, she is going to sick them on digging up all the dirt they can find on James Paris. Seriously Nanci Jo? Now that is what I call "caring" for and looking out for your members.
So while so many of your group members are hurting financially, emotionally and spiritually, what do you do next (besides sick your PI's on Jim Paris)? You begin pimping your next Ponzi de Jour Strongbrook to your members. Once a Ponzi pimp, always a Ponzi pimp, and you call yourself a Pastor. You are a Christian in name only and a disgrace to Christians everywhere. You do not deserve to be called Pastor.
Nancy Frazer is not really a pastor. She has taken online courses from Vision Christian Bible College and Seminary in Florida in 2011-2013. As far as I know she has never graduated or received even a certificate of completion.
In the early 2000s she was into various MLMs. Around 2009-2011 she was working on two new ideas, taking her MLMs global and getting it into the Christian community. She started working with the Latino community with her ministry and of course they needed to prosper so she signed them up in her MLMs. The Charity/Christian aspect enhanced her MLM activities. Fast forward to the Ponzis (Zeekler, Profitable Sunrise and a couple of others), She promoted the Ponzis just like she did the MLMs.
It always makes me hesitate a moment to see her called a pastor because of what I know.
If Nancy Frazer were a pastor she just led ALL of her sheep OVER A CLIFF.
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04-02-2013, 12:24 PM
#1903
Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
SamIam is absolutely correct....she is NOT a pastor/minister....infact, when she and her family attend church they attend the First Church of Christ in Bryan, Ohio.....
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04-02-2013, 01:11 PM
#1904
Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
Originally Posted by
SamIam
If Nancy Frazer were a pastor she just led ALL of her sheep OVER A CLIFF.
The term you're looking for is "judas goat"
Judas goat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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04-02-2013, 03:45 PM
#1905
Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
Nancy Jo Fraizer, a priest, and a pastor are seated in a local cafe, discussing the allocation of donations between their salaries and godly work.
The pastor states: I draw a line in front of the alter, then I take the collection plate and throw the money up in the air.
All the money that lands on the alter side of the line goes toward my salary, the rest belongs to god.
The priest states: I do something similar, I draw a large circle which I stand in,then take the collection plate and throw the money up in the air.
All the money that lands in the circle is god's, all that lands outside the circle pays my salary.
Nancy Jo states: I do something similar, I take the collection plate and throw the money up in the air.
And whatever god catches he can keep.
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04-02-2013, 08:02 PM
#1906
Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
Hmm, it seems some of the players are starting to turn on each other. I got offered all the information on Tony Infante from a poster on the Jim Paris blog if I would pay this person $500. The claim was this person was not going down alone. Rather odd wording for someone to use when all the major group pimps are still telling their people everything is going to be all right and that Roman willl come through eventually, they just don't know when. And of course pimping their next Ponzi de Jour that will get any money they lost in PS back and make them even more money.
There was this nonsense that Roman had money in the Cypress banks, and that's why everything has been delayed. Or at least that is what someone told me who was on the call. Since I was not on the call, I cannot confirm if this is true, but I would be willing to bet it is. They will use any excuse to keep their members from going to the authorities in mass.
It was also reported on the Jim Paris blog today that the Czech bank and the Australian bank where Roman had money the accounts have been frozen for possible fraud. So it seems the federal authorities are now involved too.
And the noose just keeps getting tighter and tighter. The next few weeks are going to be most interesting indeed. And of course I am satan according to some who claim religion. At least they didn't say I was the anti-Christ. Well at least not yet.
EagleOne
Author: "Robbing You With A Keyboard Instead Of A Gun - Cyber Crime How They Do It" available in soft cover and eBook at Amazon.com
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04-02-2013, 09:30 PM
#1907
Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
Either someone is ripping off Roman's M.O. or we might know what his next program is. This is how he introduced himself on the late lamented Ice-Dollars website:
Good Day, my name is Roman Novak, I am the owner and founder of Ice Dollars. I hope our services will be of interest to you. Since you are reading this, I assume that you have already shown interest. We are a team of professionals that will lead you to prosperity and peace. If you follow us, you will shortly praise the Lord that he led you here. By putting your money to work with us, you will make the right decision. You will not only increase your savings, but will also help those in need. Allow me to introduce my team to you. My brother Radoslav Novak is a lawyer and apart from the legal issues is responsible for the marketing. Ruth Ellington is our accountant. Nosuke Koyama is the technical expert responsible for the smooth operation of our website. Everyone is welcome to join us. Our doors are and will always remain open to you
He of course used the same text on the Profitable Sunrise site. Now let me introduce you to:
Good Day, my name is Paul Nickson, I am the owner and founder of FreshEarning.com. I hope our services will be of interest to you. Since you are reading this, I assume that you have already shown interest. We are a team of professionals that will lead you to prosperity and peace. If you follow us, you will shortly praise the Lord that he led you here. By putting your money to work with us, you will make the right decision. You will not only increase your savings, but will also help those in need. Allow me to introduce my team to you. My brother Steve Nickson is a lawyer and apart from the legal issues is responsible for the marketing. Steve Nickson is our accountant. Nosuke Koyama is the technical expert responsible for the smooth operation of our website. Everyone is welcome to join us. Our doors are and will always remain open to you.
I can't wait to hear Nanci Jo tell us what a fine Christian man Paul Nickson is.
On Edit: I'm fairly certain the text above is just part of someone's HYIP software. You buy a script, load it on a server and personalize it just a wee bit and Kaboom, you to can be "Roman Novak" or "Paul Nickson" or whoever you want to pretend to be. Then all you need is some greedy super promoter like Nanci Jo to tell folks what a great person you are and pay her to hype your HYIP. It doesn't even need to be a straight up fee for service arrangement, she'll work on commission.
Fun with Google, feed the following into the search bar [ "We are a team of professionals that will lead you to prosperity and peace" -sunrise ] and under "search tools" select Verbatim. It's amazing how many scams use that exact phrase.
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So your prophets of finance have fallen on their collective proverbial face, and you hear muffled voices calling: Welcome to the human race.
You made a killing dealing real estate at NASA selling cemetery plots in outer space til some falling coffins crashed upon your doorstep: Welcome to the human race.
Open up your heart...
Welcome to
RealScam.com.
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04-02-2013, 10:11 PM
#1908
Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
Originally Posted by
EagleOne
Hmm, it seems some of the players are starting to turn on each other. I got offered all the information on Tony Infante from a poster on the Jim Paris blog if I would pay this person $500. The claim was this person was not going down alone. Rather odd wording for someone to use when all the major group pimps are still telling their people everything is going to be all right and that Roman willl come through eventually, they just don't know when. And of course pimping their next Ponzi de Jour that will get any money they lost in PS back and make them even more money.
You mean, this Tony Infante?
P.O. Box 1012
Indian Rocks Beach, FL 33785
9895 Indian Key Trail
Seminole, FL 33776
kidsfoundation@kids123.us
clposter1@tampabay.rr.com
kidsfoundation@tampabay.rr.com
vitelkf@kids123.us
727-470-9929
https://www.profitablesunrise.com/?upline=kids123
http://cincinnati-oh.stuffnads.com/f..._20440384.html
http://www.corporationwiki.com/Flori.../67600075.aspx
http://www.manta.com/c/mxf0x5g/kids-foundation
http://www.kids123.us
http://web.archive.org/web/201207022...://kids123.us/
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Vitel...70940366375360
http://ithaca-ny.stuffnads.com/busin..._20210773.html
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/kids-foundation/54/4a9/4a6
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/tony-infante/54/b26/ba7/
https://www.facebook.com/tony.infante
http://pay123.us
http://www.hotfrog.com/Companies/Nicnow
http://www.pandahi.com/1007484932.html (Haddon Corp. spam with his phone # in it)
http://www.dog-gone-truth.com/kids123
http://kids123.zeekrewards.com
I see an Anthony Michael Infante at the Indian Key Trail address with an arrest record, also involvement
with Turnkey Downline LLC, while the name Tony Infante at that address is tied to Ur Approved LLC.
The Zeek account may have changed hands between Tony and a William Kolb at 803-534-9814 at some point.
Cute scam, Tony, making something that sounds like a charitable cause on the surface, and it's really a spamhaus
once you look under the hood..
Registered through: GoDaddy.com, LLC (
http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: KIDS123.US
Created on: 10-May-12
Expires on: 09-May-13
Last Updated on: 18-May-12
Registrant:
POW USA
PO Box 1012
Indian Rocks Beach, Florida 33785
United States
Administrative Contact:
USA, POW
clposter1@tampabay.rr.com
PO Box 1012
Indian Rocks Beach, Florida 33785
United States
+1.7274709929
Technical Contact:
USA, POW
clposter1@tampabay.rr.com
PO Box 1012
Indian Rocks Beach, Florida 33785
United States
+1.7274709929
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.SIMPLECUSTOMCMS.COM
NS2.SIMPLECUSTOMCMS.COM
Oooo... and look who else I found riding on Tony's coattails. Mike Rothermel.
mrothermel@kids123.us
623-386-7449
http://www.profitablesunrise.com/?upline=mrothermel
https://www.facebook.com/ProfitableS...rothermel/info
https://www.facebook.com/Bionic.Bandit
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04-02-2013, 10:33 PM
#1909
Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
Prof, the one and only. Seems he and Nanci Jo are into fake nonprofits.
EagleOne
Author: "Robbing You With A Keyboard Instead Of A Gun - Cyber Crime How They Do It" available in soft cover and eBook at Amazon.com
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04-03-2013, 12:21 AM
#1910
Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
heh, Mike Rothermel has a complete disrespect for government , in his March 26 conf call he said nobody should pay taxes on income.
Why it would be a surprise to anyone that they are not registered as a legal charity? Those people sound more like a cult or some militant domestic terrorists than a charity.
BTW, i never saw anywhere "Kids Foundation" being claimed as 501(c)3 public charity, non profit - yes, 501(c)3 - cannot find.
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04-03-2013, 05:08 AM
#1911
Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
Just read this on facebook
Daro Smith
I think Mr Roman Novak is on the run and hiding from the most corrupt USA government which has filed complaint against PS. That is the reason he has been quiet since PS website went down. I pray for God to look after him so that he can save all of hard working poor people.
Such faith.I really don't know whether to laugh or cry after reading that.
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04-03-2013, 09:25 AM
#1912
Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
Originally Posted by
Nourjan
Just read this on facebook
Such faith.I really don't know whether to laugh or cry after reading that.
LOL, the only thing "Roman Novak" is trying to do is save his/her lilly white behind (or not) from being drawn and quartered by a slew of people who would like to get their $$$ back. Sorry, guys, it ain't gonna happen. He's long gone with the $$$! Faith won't work on this one I'm afraid. I have plenty of faith....faith enough to know these are scams! All it takes is just a little due diligence and the curtain is pulled back revealing cold, hard truth.
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04-03-2013, 09:52 AM
#1913
Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
Did anyone listen to her Good Friday talk? She spoke of a drum set that her Focus Up Ministries was donating overseas.....well I guarentee that this was a drum set her son played while in high school that she has no use for any longer...
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04-03-2013, 10:44 AM
#1914
Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
Originally Posted by
GlimDropper
Either someone is ripping off Roman's M.O. or we might know what his next program is. This is how he introduced himself on the late lamented Ice-Dollars website:
He of course used the same text on the Profitable Sunrise site. Now let me introduce you to:
I can't wait to hear Nanci Jo tell us what a fine Christian man Paul Nickson is.
On Edit: I'm fairly certain the text above is just part of someone's HYIP software. You buy a script, load it on a server and personalize it just a wee bit and Kaboom, you to can be "Roman Novak" or "Paul Nickson" or whoever you want to pretend to be. Then all you need is some greedy super promoter like Nanci Jo to tell folks what a great person you are and pay her to hype your HYIP. It doesn't even need to be a straight up fee for service arrangement, she'll work on commission.
Fun with Google, feed the following into the search bar [ "We are a team of professionals that will lead you to prosperity and peace" -sunrise ] and under "search tools" select Verbatim. It's amazing how many scams use that exact phrase.
And apparently, Nosuke Koyama is a very, very busy person. lol
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04-03-2013, 11:18 AM
#1915
Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
FreshEarning.com is Goldcoders script with $145 price tag - too cheap for Roman.
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04-03-2013, 01:13 PM
#1916
Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
Global Impact Resource Alliance Group
Apologies if repost. Beyond content/whole package just looks so fake at first glance.
"It's our prayers, not worries & suspicions are what's needed right now!"
What hypocrisy, a few weeks ago it was "We prayed for Roman......"
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04-03-2013, 03:27 PM
#1917
Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
20 hours ago, Colorado issued a C&D. but what caught my eye is this exerpt, which claims to be from Roman...First, I didn,t know there was anything left of PS website, and this is from a journalist with the Denver Business Journal. Where did she get this update from anyway? Profitable Sunrise barred from operating in Colorado - Denver Business Journal
A quick perusal of what’s left of Profitable Sunrise’s website didn’t offer much insight into the company. Roman Novak did offer one “update” for investors:
"We are excited to provide you with some critical updates. We are very close to finalizing our partnership with our connection in China. Our e-checking and debit card system is almost complete as well. Please understand that servers were moved to Hong Kong to protect ProSun. This ensures the safety of our data. Our new 4% daily - 7 day program will be introduced after Easter payout which is coming near. This is just another way for us saying thank you and allowing us to put more money in your pockets sooner. Our support staff will also be growing massively to better serve our clients needs as business grows. For those of you looking to deposit more money into ProSun. Don’t worry you will have this opportunity as servers come back up very soon. We appreciate your patience. We are doing our best to safely increase your savings and make you a happier person. We are here to help you with anything and provide answers to all of the questions you may have. Have a Blessed Day, Roman Novak"
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04-03-2013, 03:33 PM
#1918
Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
Originally Posted by
Nourjan
Just read this on facebook
Such faith.I really don't know whether to laugh or cry after reading that.
I keep a bucket by my desk....With the bathroom being 3 rooms away one just can't take any chances
ʎɐqǝ uo pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ʎnq ı ǝɯıʇ ʇsɐן ǝɥʇ sı sıɥʇ
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04-03-2013, 03:52 PM
#1919
Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
Originally Posted by
SkepticalOne
20 hours ago, Colorado issued a C&D. but what caught my eye is this exerpt, which claims to be from Roman...First, I didn,t know there was anything left of PS website, and this is from a journalist with the Denver Business Journal. Where did she get this update from anyway?
Profitable Sunrise barred from operating in Colorado - Denver Business Journal
A quick perusal of what’s left of Profitable Sunrise’s website didn’t offer much insight into the company. Roman Novak did offer one “update” for investors:
"We are excited to provide you with some critical updates. We are very close to finalizing our partnership with our connection in China. Our e-checking and debit card system is almost complete as well. Please understand that servers were moved to Hong Kong to protect ProSun. This ensures the safety of our data. Our new 4% daily - 7 day program will be introduced after Easter payout which is coming near. This is just another way for us saying thank you and allowing us to put more money in your pockets sooner. Our support staff will also be growing massively to better serve our clients needs as business grows. For those of you looking to deposit more money into ProSun. Don’t worry you will have this opportunity as servers come back up very soon. We appreciate your patience. We are doing our best to safely increase your savings and make you a happier person. We are here to help you with anything and provide answers to all of the questions you may have. Have a Blessed Day, Roman Novak"
Any luck Roman tries a scam in China where ponzi=death penalty.
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04-03-2013, 04:00 PM
#1920
Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
Originally Posted by
SkepticalOne
20 hours ago, Colorado issued a C&D. but what caught my eye is this exerpt, which claims to be from Roman...First, I didn,t know there was anything left of PS website, and this is from a journalist with the Denver Business Journal. Where did she get this update from anyway?
Profitable Sunrise barred from operating in Colorado - Denver Business Journal
A quick perusal of what’s left of Profitable Sunrise’s website didn’t offer much insight into the company. Roman Novak did offer one “update” for investors:
"We are excited to provide you with some critical updates. We are very close to finalizing our partnership with our connection in China. Our e-checking and debit card system is almost complete as well. Please understand that servers were moved to Hong Kong to protect ProSun. This ensures the safety of our data. Our new 4% daily - 7 day program will be introduced after Easter payout which is coming near. This is just another way for us saying thank you and allowing us to put more money in your pockets sooner. Our support staff will also be growing massively to better serve our clients needs as business grows. For those of you looking to deposit more money into ProSun. Don’t worry you will have this opportunity as servers come back up very soon. We appreciate your patience. We are doing our best to safely increase your savings and make you a happier person. We are here to help you with anything and provide answers to all of the questions you may have. Have a Blessed Day, Roman Novak"
This story has been going around for over a week now, and it is nothing more than smoke and mirrors to keep all the members from these major groups from going en masse to the authorities filing complaints. This is the last thing that Nanci Jo, Tony Infante, John Shepcoff, Owen Brown, and Chris Lombardi want happening right now. Not only is it bad for business to get people in their latest Ponzi de Jour, but it also could mean serious problems with law enforcement. This is just CYA to hopefully negate any of that from happening.
EagleOne
Author: "Robbing You With A Keyboard Instead Of A Gun - Cyber Crime How They Do It" available in soft cover and eBook at Amazon.com
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04-03-2013, 09:39 PM
#1921
Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
Robi Jonas
James Paris is destroying people and stopping their income in order to sell his book… about how to pray for money. That man is a true scammer… and I knew that before I saw all of those cases against him.
Like · · about an hour ago
Diana Harris
Hi I was reading your post about your wire reversal, when I sent my wire the paper work said it was being sent to West Pak Bank but my account where my money ended up @ was Solid Trust Pay Bank in Canada. I sent my wire in the middle of January.No more than I got off work the next day after reading your ever so informational posting I went straight to the bank and done what you said. Did your bank tell you that they would try 3 times to have the wire reversed?I wasnt trying to get rich my plan was to help my son, and most of all I was tithing 1/2 my earnings w/ this company, real talk that was a big let down. Personaly I cant say Roman was a down right crook, I think its a big part to do w/ our government has to have their hands in on everything, so they froze his accounts. Im just saying. please answer back
Like · · 3 hours ago near Sandusky, OH
https://www.facebook.com/ProfitableSunriseIBO?fref=ts
This fB page is loaded with the irrational.
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04-04-2013, 01:43 AM
#1922
Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
Originally Posted by
Fat City, LA
Robi Jonas
James Paris is destroying people and stopping their income in order to sell his book… about how to pray for money. That man is a true scammer… and I knew that before I saw all of those cases against him.
Like · · about an hour ago
Diana Harris
Hi I was reading your post about your wire reversal, when I sent my wire the paper work said it was being sent to West Pak Bank but my account where my money ended up @ was Solid Trust Pay Bank in Canada. I sent my wire in the middle of January.No more than I got off work the next day after reading your ever so informational posting I went straight to the bank and done what you said. Did your bank tell you that they would try 3 times to have the wire reversed?I wasnt trying to get rich my plan was to help my son,
and most of all I was tithing 1/2 my earnings w/ this company, real talk that was a big let down. Personaly
I cant say Roman was a down right crook, I think its a big part to do w/ our
government has to have their hands in on everything,
so they froze his accounts. Im just saying. please answer back
Like · · 3 hours ago near Sandusky, OH
https://www.facebook.com/ProfitableSunriseIBO?fref=ts
This fB page is loaded with the irrational.
While sad, it is no different than in any other Ponzi that goes down, whether by the feds or the admin runs with the money like Roman has. ASD, Zeek Rewards, NewGNI, CashTanker, Megalido, PTVPartner, GNI, PIPS, GIN, PlexPay, FLO, you get the picture. They pretty much all say the same things. Straight from the Ponzi playbook.
So far they have not even come close to what happened after ASD was shut down by the feds. They took idiocity to a whole new level. Heck there are still people who were in ASD that think it was legal and the feds only wanted the money. This after the first round of remission payments were made to those who filed a claim and they received 100% of their money back. Now a second round of remission payments will be made and they will still say ASD was legal and the government was evil.
Funny how all the big group leaders are nowhere in sight isn't it, and being awfully quiet. I bet John Shepcoff won't be able to say any more how no-one has anything bad to say about him. What a pompous tool.
EagleOne
Author: "Robbing You With A Keyboard Instead Of A Gun - Cyber Crime How They Do It" available in soft cover and eBook at Amazon.com
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04-04-2013, 04:08 AM
#1923
Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
This was posted by PLUMBER888 at MMG a short time ago, and I quote:
Well Well!!! Ps is a Ponzi... Romans not coming back yesterday around 3:00pm my phone rings it's my
Bank!!! The man on the other line ask me about my account and my bank wires to PS aka Roman Novak
Asking me have I seen the NC on google and am I a Victim of this Ponzi!! I said Sir I'm not a Victim I'm a season
Investor I have made money from this program. So he stated because of my wires they might close my accounts because the bank doesn't wont to be held responsible for the action of my bank wires. So in return i ask
Him are you closing my bank accounts he said maybe it's not up to him. I simple replied ok have a nice day Sir.
season Investor my a$$et$.
Seems things are starting to really heat up on so many fronts. Wonder who will be next to get a phone call?
EagleOne
Author: "Robbing You With A Keyboard Instead Of A Gun - Cyber Crime How They Do It" available in soft cover and eBook at Amazon.com
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04-04-2013, 06:18 AM
#1924
Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
Originally Posted by
EagleOne
This was posted by PLUMBER888 at MMG a short time ago, and I quote:
... I said Sir I'm not a Victim I'm a season Investor
Probably winter.
What a maroon.
"A wise man proportions belief to the evidence."
- David Hume
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04-04-2013, 12:10 PM
#1925
Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
As GlimDropper pointed out a few posts ago, the script that Roman Novak used is the same one being used by other HYIP's, and he believes it's part of stock HYIP software. If that's the case, then everyone should stop referring to Roman Novak as if he were a real person. It is probable that some made up names were just plugged into the off-the-shelf software. Who would use their real names anyway? Even the good people on this website refer to him in real terms. There is no Roman Novak, it's more likely a made up name. He doesn't exist. And the people behind this scam are untraceable, and unidentifyable - totally anonomous in Eastern Europe or deep in Russia somewhere, untouchable by the US Feds.
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