Thread: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

Originally Posted by intheknow

2% returns a day? Run away - Chuck Jaffe - MarketWatch

Is Jaffe a member here. His practical knowledge of hyip is impressive for mainstream.

There is a reason PS was advertised in the hYIP monitor.... its lifespan in mass media would of been days.

When the Talkgold HYIP ponzi forum moves your favourite HYIP to its' "Closed Programs and Scam Warnings" folder, you just KNOW it's all over.

The irony is particularly disturbing. Profitable Sunrise, the purported "Christian" program, happened to be placed in the bottomless scam bin at TalkGold on Good Friday.

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Originally Posted by littleroundman

When the Talkgold HYIP ponzi forum moves your favourite HYIP to its' "Closed Programs and Scam Warnings" folder, you just KNOW it's all over.

Originally Posted by PPBlog

The irony is particularly disturbing. Profitable Sunrise, the purported "Christian" program, happened to be placed in the bottomless scam bin at TalkGold on Good Friday.

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Well, there is a hugely famous precedent for resurrection from deaths occurring on this day. And I believe there were some Romans connected to that event.

Sanjay says:
March 28, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Hi Faus,
Do you have any Gmail/Yahoo etc. email address of Roman Novak or one of the Group Leaders?
My Group Leader; ms. Stephanie is not replying back.
Please let me know.
Thank you.

A reasonable question from someone who 'invested'....Surely 'Amanda' aka' QuickSilver' can help out...right?? After all, she RECOMMENDED PS and GUIDED innocent people into 'investing' with them...

Amanda says:
March 29, 2013 at 3:18 am
@Sanjay. I don’t believe anyone can disclose that information — Private Groups are just that — “private”.

Aah, once again, 'Amanda' falls short...RECOMMEND...SCAM...SUCK IN...GET REF COMMS...That is her 'SPECIALTY'...Help those who have lost money because of her...(cough, cough) 'reviews'...NEVER...Class act that she is...

Has she said diddley about it being moved to 'Closed and Scam Warnings' yet?...Nope...After all, she is only a 'monitor'...Why would she??...Too much work, I'm thinkin....

Originally Posted by Quickie

Amanda says:
March 29, 2013 at 3:18 am
@Sanjay. I don’t believe anyone can disclose that information — Private Groups are just that — “private”.

Err, no, Quickie,

it's too late for anyone involved in Profitable Sunrise, but, the Securities and Exchange Commission has gone to the trouble of explaining just what is involved in a "private" investment:



Investment Clubs and the S.E.C.

Call it what you like, Quickie, club/group/collective/whole pile of friends, Profitable Sunrise does NOT fit the criteria needed to avoid prosecution.

I don't have the time to listen through this at the moment, but apparently the IRS has weighed in on Profitable Sunrise scammers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D77Z6KQ9TPA

They are very worried that when PS is back up, they will have a withdraw stampede.
Some comparisons of Roman to Christ, etc
https://www.facebook.com/profitables...wlegit?fref=ts
After reading this FB page
Puke or cry?

Originally Posted by Fat City, LA

They are very worried that when PS is back up, they will have a withdraw stampede.
Some comparisons of Roman to Christ, etc
https://www.facebook.com/profitables...wlegit?fref=ts
After reading this FB page
Puke or cry?

They don't need a "withdraw stampede"

Roman Novaks' 240 day "Long Haul" plan starts maturing in April.

Anyone who still thinks Novak ever intended to be around when the "long haul" plans came to maturity really does need to be beaten around the head with a reality stick

What an interesting read. Lots , lots in there.

On another PS FB-I had a guy say I was going to hell for pointing out- Why would Lynndell do all this for $. He is a ponzi/hyip expert, could would just roll his $ from hyip to hyip. Its all anonymous.

The sad and cruel part is, only the innocents got taken in by the long haul plan. The "it's only a game and never invest more than you can afford to lose" crowd not only knew better than to drop money in the long haul, to them it gave them a final warning to start getting their money out, because they were dead certain that Roman would be on the beach in time for Easter.

Dear Global Impact Resource (GIR) Alliance family,

On behalf of Nanci and the GIR Alliance, we pray that all of you have a truly blessed Easter today, remembering God's incredible love demonstrated by Jesus' death for us on Calvary to pay for our sin, and God's awesome power displayed in raising Jesus from the dead so we too might live forever.

We pray that you can focus on the meaning and wonder of today, and not let Monday affect your joy. Our prayer is that we might know Christ today, and the power of His resurrection!! (Philippians 3:10)

Someone asked me recently how I am dealing with Monday and all its unknowns. First of all, we truly empathize with each of you. And as a Pastor I genuinely care. I work for Nanci and FocusUp Ministries, and was a participant in ProSun way before meeting with or speaking to Nanci. I am not paid anything by ProSun, nor are any of the GIR Alliance leadership, including Nanci, so we have no motivation or obligation to defend or say good things about ProSun. We are just fellow participants and volunteers trying to communicate truth as we can confirm it. We will not be like some who are posting or voicing projections that have proven to be false because they did not come true.

Wherever we all are in the spectrum of possibilities, we're all in the same boat together. Are we praying that Roman gives us good news about Profitable Sunrise on Monday? Sure! Do we know for sure he will? No. Nanci does not have official word from Roman and therefore we can't and won't make statements or assurances that aren't based on fact. Do we see positive signs of IT activity that suggest that Roman is working behind the scenes on our behalf? Absolutely. Are we defending Roman? No. Roman is accountable for his own actions.

In the midst of all the uncertainty, remember that in God's perfect, loving plan, every day since the unexpected news from North Carolina on February 27 has already been planned from eternity, including Monday. The truth is, none of us can control tomorrow, so why let tomorrow control us through worry?

I have a long way to go, but I've begun to learn in my life journey that worries, especially over money, can enslave, destroy, control and ruin. Matthew 6:24 says "No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money." It really comes down to realizing we can't control much of anything, except our choice of Who we will place our trust and faith in and Who we will serve.

Worry is self-serving. Instead, we ask you to follow us and join Joshua who said (in the midst of facing giants) -- "As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord!" (Joshua 24:15) Why? Because only GOD can control everything. And He is the same Lord who said He came that we might have life, and have it to the full (John 10:10) .... THAT's what Easter is all about, and Monday too!!

God's Word says "Do not worry about tomorrow..." (Matthew 6:34) May God help us to surrender our worry, and be hopeful and positive not because something good with ProSun might happen on Monday, but because God is in control, and His good and perfect plan will be accomplished.

We will be in touch on Monday. In the meantime, have a blessed, joy-filled Easter today! May God bless us, and give us peace.

Warmly in Christ,

Rev. Jon

Reverend Jon Simmons of Columbia South Carolina has a lot to pray about. I see between this email and the Good Friday conference call he's making a very large point that his services to NJF Global were as an unpaid volunteer. Perhaps it makes him feel better (or less bad) that he wasn't being paid to lie to all the good Christian people he helped Nacni Jo rope in. I would very much like to see what his personal downline looked like, he might not have taken money from the NJF Global group or FocusUp Ministries but I'm willing to bet he cleaned up on referral commissions. If true that makes all his protests that he wasn't being paid disingenuous at best and out right dishonest at worst. But then again, why should Reverend Jon be any better than Sr. Pastor Nanci Jo Frazer herself and at least give him credit for not hiding from the group the way Nanci has been.

"therefore we can't and won't make statements or assurances that aren't based on fact."

Uhhhh, believe that ship already sailed. Why bother w/truth now.

Originally Posted by Reverend Jon Simmons

We will not be like some who are posting or voicing projections that have proven to be false because they did not come true.

Strange because the original "36-48 hour" promise for when the servers would return online came from Nanci Jo's email. Later it was admitted that she hadn't had any form of communication with Roman since before the ProSun website went offline. So, either she was warned in advance that the site was going down or she invented the "36 to 48 hour" time frame out of whole cloth (and with it the later "36 to 48 business hours lie as well).

Originally Posted by Reverend Jon Simmons

Nanci does not have official word from Roman and therefore we can't and won't make statements or assurances that aren't based on fact. Do we see positive signs of IT activity that suggest that Roman is working behind the scenes on our behalf? Absolutely.

This is the sort of BS that drives me nuts. Reverend Simmons states that they wont make any assurances that are not based on facts and immediately after saying that tells a big ol honking lie. Folks, try this at home. If you're using a Windows based system click the Start button, then All Programs, then Accessories and then Command Prompt. In the little box that opens up type (without the quotes) "ping profitablesunrise.com" hit enter and wait for a moment. You can then see for yourself what Reverend Jon Simmons' calls "positive signs of IT activity." Here's what you'll see:

PING response from the server profitablesunrise.com


Pinging profitablesunrise.com [208.64.126.220] with 32 bytes of data:
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Ping statistics for 208.64.126.220:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),

You would think with all the upheaval in so many lives caused by Pastor Nanci and Reverend Jon promoting this scheme to so many innocent victims Mr. Simmons (I can't stand to apply his preferred honorific) would ask for authentication before presenting something as a fact. But sadly no, "Reverend" Jon Simmons seems quite content to lie to all NJF Global (GIR Alliance) members to the very bitter end. Which by the way is only a few short hours away and will end the same way that ping test did: 100% loss for far too many people.

Looks like Jon and Nanci Jo are trying the "we are all in this together" angle. I'm guessing they are now trying to convince their downlines that they are "victims" too. It took me ten minutes of reading about prosun to know it was a ponzi, not sure how "the most sucessful business woman in her field" could not see it for what is was....of course her field appears to be ponzi pimp. Hope their downlines take legal action, jailhouse orange would be a good spring color for her......

Originally Posted by Bowtie496

Looks like Jon and Nanci Jo are trying the "we are all in this together" angle. I'm guessing they are now trying to convince their downlines that they are "victims" too. It took me ten minutes of reading about prosun to know it was a ponzi, not sure how "the most sucessful business woman in her field" could not see it for what is was....of course her field appears to be ponzi pimp. Hope their downlines take legal action, jailhouse orange would be a good spring color for her......

Sad to say but the way the system works Pastor Nanci's downline can not confer criminal charges against her, that's up to the government. What they can do and what I would recommend they do is to get in touch with as many people as possible who like themselves lost money because they listened to Pastor Nanci and Reverend Jon explaining how amazing the ProSun opportunity was and how it was 100% legal and legitimate and how their investments, err, how the money they lent to Roman for charitable purposes was 100% insured. I'm sure Nanci has explained the power of networking and how one person giving 100% isn't as effective as 100 people giving just a small fraction of their individual effort.

Pastor Nanci and Reverend Jon are civilly liable for the representations they made about this investment. They took great pains to assure you all how safe this was and the people who believed them and took action upon those beliefs are now the ones in great pain. Pastor Nanci and Reverend Jon also made a whole lot of money by delivering your money to Roman (referral commissions) and while you all are still praying for your Easter Gift they're already gearing up to promote their next great passive income opportunity. They've already moved on and I'm sorry to say their victims will have to as well but there isn't a single reason that all their victims have to move on without at least a partial refund.

Assemble as many victims as possible, maybe kick in the small sum it would take to register a website, something like NJFGlobalVictimsUnite dot com to get the message out past your email lists. Unite together and hire a qualified law firm to file a civil suit on a class action basis against NJF Global and all it's leaders. I'm not an attorney and I'm not giving a legal opinion but if a legal team representing the NJF victims gets in touch with us we can provide all the documentation needed to prove NJF's culpability.

I do want to make one thing plain, even if this were made to happen people shouldn't expect a 100% refund for what they lost. But they should expect a percentage of their loss eventually but perhaps more important, there's a very good chance they could help prevent other people from being hurt by the NJF/GIR group in the same way they were.

Nanci Jo is going to get to try out those prison jumpsuits. If not for the pimping of a ponzi, at the very least for taking donations for her fake charity, and using a made up EIN number in her many 'FUMI is a 501(c)3 charitable tax exempt organization" posted all over everything she's pimped. It would be bad enough for her is she did have a legitimate charity, but doing it without one kind of makes the IRS really nasty.

It is unlawful for any person in connection with the planning, conduct, or execution of any solicitation or charitable or sponsor sales promotion to: falsely state that the person is a member of or a representative of a charitable organization or sponsor or misrepresent or mislead anyone by any manner, means, practice, or device whatsoever to believe that the person or organization on whose behalf the solicitation or sale is being conducted is a charitable organization or sponsor, or that any of the proceeds of the solicitation or sale will be used for charitable or sponsor purposes, if that is not the fact." (And dozens of other similar subsections in the same statute).

A single conviction is a felony of the third degree. A second or subsequent charge is a second-degree felony. Each person that you talk into donating money counts as an individual charge.

Originally Posted by Gregg

Nanci Jo is going to get to try out those prison jumpsuits. If not for the pimping of a ponzi, at the very least for taking donations for her fake charity, and using a made up EIN number in her many 'FUMI is a 501(c)3 charitable tax exempt organization" posted all over everything she's pimped. It would be bad enough for her is she did have a legitimate charity, but doing it without one kind of makes the IRS really nasty.

Wow! It would not take many for her to have to wear orange for a very long time. One can only hope.

Anyone wishing to lodge a complain with Nanci Jo Frazer's local authorities, contact:

Bryan Police Dept: 419-636-4233

and local DA Rhonda Fisher:

(419) 636-6939

Originally Posted by GlimDropper

Sad to say but the way the system works Pastor Nanci's downline can not confer criminal charges against her, that's up to the government. What they can do and what I would recommend they do is to get in touch with as many people as possible who like themselves lost money because they listened to Pastor Nanci and Reverend Jon explaining how amazing the ProSun opportunity was and how it was 100% legal and legitimate and how their investments, err, how the money they lent to Roman for charitable purposes was 100% insured. I'm sure Nanci has explained the power of networking and how one person giving 100% isn't as effective as 100 people giving just a small fraction of their individual effort.

Pastor Nanci and Reverend Jon are civilly liable for the representations they made about this investment. They took great pains to assure you all how safe this was and the people who believed them and took action upon those beliefs are now the ones in great pain. Pastor Nanci and Reverend Jon also made a whole lot of money by delivering your money to Roman (referral commissions) and while you all are still praying for your Easter Gift they're already gearing up to promote their next great passive income opportunity. They've already moved on and I'm sorry to say their victims will have to as well but there isn't a single reason that all their victims have to move on without at least a partial refund.

Assemble as many victims as possible, maybe kick in the small sum it would take to register a website, something like NJFGlobalVictimsUnite dot com to get the message out past your email lists. Unite together and hire a qualified law firm to file a civil suit on a class action basis against NJF Global and all it's leaders. I'm not an attorney and I'm not giving a legal opinion but if a legal team representing the NJF victims gets in touch with us we can provide all the documentation needed to prove NJF's culpability.

I do want to make one thing plain, even if this were made to happen people shouldn't expect a 100% refund for what they lost. But they should expect a percentage of their loss eventually but perhaps more important, there's a very good chance they could help prevent other people from being hurt by the NJF/GIR group in the same way they were.

Somewhere I saw quoted that Nanci Jo and FUMI had a downline figure of $11 million. WOW. SO let's say Nanci Jo has half of them as direct referrals and she got the 5% commission on that, and just for giggles, let's suppose she put in $10 of her own money so as not to be too greedy. That's $275,000 Nanci Jo made, not counting the earning on her $10. And someone else made another $275K too. That's just the direct referrals, this scam paid down four layers, but I don't want to even bother, suffice to say, Nanci Jo, if she was smart enough to pull her money out, made some serious bank on this one. A screenshot earlier showed her with a $6,000 balance in her account, which is not to be confused with how much she had made, that's just what she hadn't pulled out by then.
Actually suing your upline is problematic, whatever she made isn't much when you divide it up among her suckers,,,but just ONE of these big pimps having to endure it would sure make the Ken Russo, Faith Sloan and such lose some sleep, and that would be worth the price of admission to me.

I would add, anyone who lives in Ohio and might be inclined to make Nanci Jo regret scamming you, PM me and I might be willing to see what can be done. I even know an attorney in that neck of the woods....

Originally Posted by Gregg

Somewhere I saw quoted that Nanci Jo and FUMI had a downline figure of $11 million. WOW.

Originally Posted by intheknow

Names NANCI JO FRAZER in this Ohio Dept of Commerce document:

https://www.comapps.ohio.gov/secu/se...able%20NOH.pdf

Going by the numbers in the Ohio C&D Nanci Jo's "organization" included better than 71,000 members who had invested more than a combined 33 million. She didn't get 5% on all of that but she and her NJF Global group were the largest organization in the program and if she didn't have a side deal with "Roman" she'd have been leaving money on the table. It's good that she's been playing 501(c)(3) games with the IRS, it will encourage them to take an endoscopic view of her finances. And the fact that it'll be the better part of five years before she can file of bankruptcy again only ups the ante on any future settlement.

Nanci Jo sold ProSun as if she was quoting Matthew 14: 13 to 21 when she should have been reading Matthew 21: 12 and 13.

I would also point out that the Ohio document goes to great pains to describe the activities of Nanci Jo Frazer and Focusup Minitries, Inc., but strangely doesn't name either of them as respondents. Kind of makes you wonder if another, possibly sealed, document deals with Nanci Jo and her fake charity.

Or it does me, anyhow.