Thread: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

So,

Myriad Force has now made it clear he believes a HYIP ponzi is not a scam if:

* It's paying

* The owner says it's not a scam.

* It has members

* Myriad Force can't find any "empirical evidence" proving to his satisfaction it's NOT a scam.

Man,

HYIP ponzi owners all over the planet must be licking their lips.

Let's review Myriad Forces' formula using a real life example, shall we ??

Zeek Rewards:

* was it paying

* the owner said it wasn't a scam

* it had members

* no empirical evidence existed

Sorry, Myriad

100% pure ponzi scam here.

Originally Posted by busttheblock

100% pure ponzi scam here.

I completely agree!

I just wanted to put in my two cents.
The only way to debunk this, is to find out for yourself who Mr.Novak has done "business" with. Everyone claims he's done business with thousands of companies through out the world. One of those businesses should have a testimonial correct? One out of thirty thousand.. I just don't buy the whole confidentiality bs. Businesses big and small get loans all the time from banks, sometimes you hear about it, sometimes you don't. Unless someone knows for a absolute "fact" that Roman Novak has done loans in the past, then PS is a ponzi. It doesn't matter if the President of the United States is involved, and is making 2.15 or 2.17 daily. But until there's actual proof, this is a well run scam. I don't care if Nanci Jo Fraser has made a million dollars off PS, but if no one personally knows one, or has done business with Inter Reef LTD, then this is a scam.. The real question should be, does Inter Reef LTD actually provide short term loans at ridiculous rates to businesses? If anyone can find evidence, facts, personal acknowledgments, or anything along those lines, please do share. BTW "personal acknowledgement" means someone whom you personally know, and interact with on regular bases.
Here is my reasoning that Profitable Sunrise is a scam, and if Inter Reef is a "legit" business.
First Solid Trust Pay, Liberty Reserve, Perfect Money, and Ego Pay.
Roman Novak uses the same email address, and one account in each money mover.
Solid Trust Pay
Deposit funds, stp shows Romans email address showing we're you sent your money to. Make a withdrawal, hmm it's the same stp account, same email, were the funds are coming from.. It's like that in all of his money mover accounts. The last I checked that is clearly commingling funds, which is illegal in any entity. My money that is being put into PS is going to Ty"s withdrawal. Romans "interest payments" should be coming out of a whole separate account, rather it be PM,STP,LR, or Ego. So if Roman said ill only except deposits via STP, and EGO, but you can only withdrawal via PM, or LR that might be alittle more believable that he isn't commingling his funds. Nanci Fraser herself said that "Every single customer, that he has that is a borrower, is not a investor and that's the reason why Profitable Sunrise isn't a ponzi."
She continues to state that, " a ponzi is when people are making money off of the people. But the money that is being borrowed, the interest that is being paid comes from people that aren't in our community"
But according to my last statement above, it shows the money I'm putting in, is the same money someone else is taking out.
Second
Roman Novak states that he has never been involved in any type of ponzi in the past. But at the beginning of this thread, their is sufficient evidence for me to believe otherwise.
Third
Why does Roman use the God in everything that he does? I'm a small business owner, I don't use God as my sales pitch when I get new clients. Which makes him sound desperate by using the word.
Fourth
I know someone that lives about two hours away from we're Inter Reef LTD is allegedly located in Birrimngham. They made a visit to the address that's in several YouTube videos, and that's all over the net, and to my surprise she said its a postal mailbox center. No actual office for Inter Reef LTD, so she dropped off a letter in his box asking for the physical location of the Inter Reef LTD office.
Nanci Jo Fraser, listen from 5min to about 7min 30seconds, and pickup again at 11:00min till the end. Complete contradiction as to how Roman currently makes interest payments..
Proof Profitable Sunrise is Not a Ponzi Scheme - YouTube

On the up side to PS, I personally know someone who deposited 5,000 dollars in November of last year, and started withdrawling 500.00 a week consistently, and is living off of it.
I deposited 3,300 dollars in December, and made a withdrawal for 970.00 today. I will withdrawl that every month.
But this is a investment, tomorrow isn't promised. If PS is legit or not, get the money while its here. Stay away from long haul, compound for a week, withdrawl for a week, keep that pattern until you have made back your investment.
Just my two cents..
It all has to do with mon-ey
~Kevin O'Lerry

So Myriad Force, what did Roman have to say about being Profitable Sunrise and his being registered? You did E-mail him about this didn't you?

Myriad Force: Let's say that Profitable Sunrise is a legitimate bridge funder. So where does Profitable Sunrise get its money to do the bridge loan funding? Surely Ty you can provide us this information can't you?

Originally Posted by jjmiller

I just wanted to put in my two cents.
The only way to debunk this, is to find out for yourself who Mr.Novak has done "business" with. Everyone claims he's done business with thousands of companies through out the world. One of those businesses should have a testimonial correct? One out of thirty thousand.. I just don't buy the whole confidentiality bs. Businesses big and small get loans all the time from banks, sometimes you hear about it, sometimes you don't. Unless someone knows for a absolute "fact" that Roman Novak has done loans in the past, then PS is a ponzi. It doesn't matter if the President of the United States is involved, and is making 2.15 or 2.17 daily. But until there's actual proof, this is a well run scam. I don't care if Nanci Jo Fraser has made a million dollars off PS, but if no one personally knows one, or has done business with Inter Reef LTD, then this is a scam.. The real question should be, does Inter Reef LTD actually provide short term loans at ridiculous rates to businesses? If anyone can find evidence, facts, personal acknowledgments, or anything along those lines, please do share. BTW "personal acknowledgement" means someone whom you personally know, and interact with on regular bases.
Here is my reasoning that Profitable Sunrise is a scam, and if Inter Reef is a "legit" business.
First Solid Trust Pay, Liberty Reserve, Perfect Money, and Ego Pay.
Roman Novak uses the same email address, and one account in each money mover.
Solid Trust Pay
Deposit funds, stp shows Romans email address showing we're you sent your money to. Make a withdrawal, hmm it's the same stp account, same email, were the funds are coming from.. It's like that in all of his money mover accounts. The last I checked that is clearly commingling funds, which is illegal in any entity. My money that is being put into PS is going to Ty"s withdrawal. Romans "interest payments" should be coming out of a whole separate account, rather it be PM,STP,LR, or Ego. So if Roman said ill only except deposits via STP, and EGO, but you can only withdrawal via PM, or LR that might be alittle more believable that he isn't commingling his funds. Nanci Fraser herself said that "Every single customer, that he has that is a borrower, is not a investor and that's the reason why Profitable Sunrise isn't a ponzi."
She continues to state that, " a ponzi is when people are making money off of the people. But the money that is being borrowed, the interest that is being paid comes from people that aren't in our community"
But according to my last statement above, it shows the money I'm putting in, is the same money someone else is taking out.
Second
Roman Novak states that he has never been involved in any type of ponzi in the past. But at the beginning of this thread, their is sufficient evidence for me to believe otherwise.
Third
Why does Roman use the God in everything that he does? I'm a small business owner, I don't use God as my sales pitch when I get new clients. Which makes him sound desperate by using the word.
Fourth
I know someone that lives about two hours away from we're Inter Reef LTD is allegedly located in Birrimngham. They made a visit to the address that's in several YouTube videos, and that's all over the net, and to my surprise she said its a postal mailbox center. No actual office for Inter Reef LTD, so she dropped off a letter in his box asking for the physical location of the Inter Reef LTD office.
Nanci Jo Fraser, listen from 5min to about 7min 30seconds, and pickup again at 11:00min till the end. Complete contradiction as to how Roman currently makes interest payments..
Proof Profitable Sunrise is Not a Ponzi Scheme - YouTube

On the up side to PS, I personally know someone who deposited 5,000 dollars in November of last year, and started withdrawling 500.00 a week consistently, and is living off of it.
I deposited 3,300 dollars in December, and made a withdrawal for 970.00 today. I will withdrawl that every month.
But this is a investment, tomorrow isn't promised. If PS is legit or not, get the money while its here. Stay away from long haul, compound for a week, withdrawl for a week, keep that pattern until you have made back your investment.
Just my two cents..
It all has to do with mon-ey
~Kevin O'Lerry

So let me see if I have this straight. You know this is a Ponzi. You know that people only get paid in a Ponzi by stealing money from others so you can get yours. But you invested anyway knowing you are stealing from others just so you can get yours. No it is not an investment, it is stealing. Great character and morals there Kevin.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

Myriad Force: Let's say that Profitable Sunrise is a legitimate bridge funder. So where does Profitable Sunrise get its money to do the bridge loan funding? Surely Ty you can provide us this information can't you?

Nanci Jo Frazer showed me her copy of the License of Profitable Sunrise to make loans on Team Viewer. Nanci has the fastest growing team in Profitable Sunrise, so Roman is more open with her concerning proprietary information of Inter Reef. We know there are five banks Inter Reef works with, but not the insurer's of the deposits. Seventy percent of the deposits are covered by collateral.

Profitable Sunrise procure's it's money to do bridge financing from we the depositors. They make loans from 2.5 to 3 daily, and we earn 1.6 to 2.7, based on the terms of the program you get in. This is the sweetest business model Onlline.

How can a government-issued license be "proprietary information?" That would sound like it would be a matter of public record to me, Mr. Anderson.

That would be former beauty pageant contender Nanci Jo Frazer, correct? Now of FocusUp Ministries?

Originally Posted by EagleOne

So Myriad Force, what did Roman have to say about being Profitable Sunrise and his being registered? You did E-mail him about this didn't you?

Are you trying to get the thread renamed "Unprofitable Dungrise" by attracting more horseshit to be posted? lol

Originally Posted by Whip

Are you trying to get the thread renamed "Unprofitable Dungrise" by attracting more horseshit to be posted? lol

Darn, exposed again. Rats!

Actually I was wanting Roman to lie about his registrations like he is lying about everything else regarding Profitable Sunrise.

So Myriad Force/Ty, what did Roman have to say about his license and registration, or is he ducking the question?

Originally Posted by littleroundman

So,

Myriad Force has now made it clear he believes a HYIP ponzi is not a scam if:

* It's paying

* The owner says it's not a scam.

* It has members

* Myriad Force can't find any "empirical evidence" proving to his satisfaction it's NOT a scam.

Man,

HYIP ponzi owners all over the planet must be licking their lips.

Let's review Myriad Forces' formula using a real life example, shall we ??

Zeek Rewards:

* was it paying

* the owner said it wasn't a scam

* it had members

* no empirical evidence existed

Sorry, Myriad

Oh, look, another non-atypical, myopic, and, inexhaustive analyis, laced with a meausre of cynicism.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

Darn, exposed again. Rats!

Actually I was wanting Roman to lie about his registrations like he is lying about everything else regarding Profitable Sunrise.

So Myriad Force/Ty, what did Roman have to say about his license and registration, or is he ducking the question?

Since the staff at PS had a couple days off for the holiday, I imagine they are a bit behind on replies, so I am still waiting. I have already found what I am looking for and more, if you read my earlier reply. I have seen a copy of the License to make loans via Team Viewer with Nanci Frazer. Because I don't like your cynical tone, I probaly won't let you in on the goods anyways, I would prefer to watch you stew in your cynicism.

You can always contact Profitable Sunrise yourself - support@profitablesunrise.com

Originally Posted by Myriad Force

Since the staff at PS had a couple days off for the holiday, I imagine they are a bit behind on replies, so I am still waiting. I have already found what I am looking for and more, if you read my earlier reply. I have seen a copy of the License to make loans via Team Viewer with Nanci Frazer. Because I don't like your cynical tone, I probaly won't let you in on the goods anyways, I would prefer to watch you stew in your cynicism.

You can always contact Profitable Sunrise yourself - support@profitablesunrise.com

Considering that much of the United States has laws setting maximum permissible loan rates (and that loans to military personnel are capped at an even lower percentage), the exorbitant and usurious rates that Profitable Sunrise is "paying" to their investors/members makes each and every one of you subject to the Securities & Exchange Commission at an individual level, from what I can decipher of the legalese. In other words, every Profitable Sunrise member in the USA has to be licensed, too. Every single one. And they have to honor the terms under which such licenses are issued.

Originally Posted by ProfHenryHiggins

Considering that much of the United States has laws setting maximum permissible loan rates (and that loans to military personnel are capped at an even lower percentage), the exorbitant and usurious rates that Profitable Sunrise is "paying" to their investors/members makes each and every one of you subject to the Securities & Exchange Commission at an individual level, from what I can decipher of the legalese. In other words, every Profitable Sunrise member in the USA has to be licensed, too. Every single one. And they have to honor the terms under which such licenses are issued.

Any empirical evidence of your claims, or are you simply searching for a way to gain a foothold. Roman Novak moved the operation out of the USA and into the UK because of the establishment booklicking SEC and the excessive red-tape of doing Hard Money loans in the USA.
There are plenty of entities willing to pay the rates that Profitable Sunrise charges, if they don't like it, they are free to go elsewhere.

Next.

Ty, you really are a newbie at all this aren't you. So you know:

Profitable Sunrise Info: Telephone numbers for Profitable Sunrise: Fax: 407-264-6951 & Phone: 407-264-6068 are unlisted landlines and registered to Telcove Investment, LLC. in Orlando, FL. Telcove Investments, LLC nor Profitable Sunrise are licensed or registered with the SEC. Also there is no company filing in the state of Florida for either company (not that anyone is surprised with this information). Likewise, Roman Novak is not licensed or registered with FINRA.

But this is not a Ponzi.

Originally Posted by Myriad Force

Any empirical evidence of your claims, or are you simply searching for a way to gain a foothold. Roman Novak moved the operation out of the USA and into the UK because of the establishment booklicking SEC and the excessive red-tape of doing Hard Money loans in the USA.
There are plenty of entities willing to pay the rates that Profitable Sunrise charges, if they don't like it, they are free to go elsewhere.

Next.

No, I'm pointing out that, as a member of the community, you are bound by the rules of the community. Trying to benefit from the privileges and protections of your citizenship without abiding by the duties, responsibilities, and agreements that go with it can be very damaging in the long run.

Or in the short run. Recall how much damage a certain major league baseball team suffered in the fallout of the Madoff case? Now do I need to investigate the members of Rush to be sure that they haven't been swayed towards sovereign citizenship and scamming? I hope not, but if you keep up in this vein I may do so.

I'm confused here, Myriad Force.

Are you now saying it's OK for an unregistered overseas based HYIP ponzi with it's website hosted within the United States to do business with U.S. citizens within the United States ???

What, are you living in some sort of parallel universe, or something ???

I don't see that Czech mailing address mentioned anywhere online, except for Profitable Sunrise.
Hmm. That's very, VERY peculiar, given what "Uvoz" is.

One more thing Ty, thanks for all the information on Nanci Jo Frazer. It makes law enforcements job so much easier.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

One more thing Ty, thanks for all the information on Nanci Jo Frazer. It makes law enforcements job so much easier.

Quite the fun jousting we shall have in 2013. The SEC is corrupt. How many licensed companies in the USA, are only licensed to steal from the masses.

You mortals must go a bit deeper. PROFITABLE SUNRISE has been making money for its members since 2009. They have been doing it online since 11-11-11.

C'mon, is that all you got.

Hmm, let's see. PS has all the major pimps of Ponzi's on board: Ken Russo, Faith Sloan, Dr. Goddie Ude, a host of pimps from ASD and Zeek fame, and this is not a Ponzi.

Originally Posted by Myriad Force

Quite the fun jousting we shall have in 2013. The SEC is corrupt. How many licensed companies in the USA, are only licensed to steal from the masses.

You mortals must go a bit deeper. PROFITABLE SUNRISE has been making money for its members since 2009. They have been doing it online since 11-11-11.

C'mon, is that all you got.

Making money is not the same as being honest. Carlos Ponzi "made money" for his members, and did so very well until his ruse was detected.

Does this Biblical reference ring any bells, Ty?

No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other.

Paying lip service to Christ while your heart is sinking into the tar pits of Mammon is hardly being honest now, isn't it.

Originally Posted by ProfHenryHiggins

Making money is not the same as being honest. Carlos Ponzi "made money" for his members, and did so very well until his ruse was detected.

Does this Biblical reference ring any bells, Ty?



Paying lip service to Christ while your heart is sinking into the tar pits of Mammon is hardly being honest now, isn't it.

One thing you lack, empirical evidence Profitable Sunrise is a ponzi. A ponzi has no source of cash flow outside those investing. Profitable Sunrise makes money from clients paying 2.5% to 3% for Hard Money loans. The money loaned is from the investors, of which I am one, which earns me 2.7% daily, in the Long Haul plan.
Are you even awake? Are you on crack?