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    Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

    How silly it is for SBWire to let a story pimping a new MLM (Jubirev) through when it saying it is as great as Profitable Sunrise :)
    I am not a joking, look yourself, SBWire who just last week was publishing bunch of Authorities Alerts on PS

    Jubirev Banking on a Profitable Sunrise as They Prepare for Jubirev Launch Phase 3 | Mar 15, 2013

    JUBIREV_PS.jpg

    Man, Some MLM pimps would even turn a busted scam to their advantage.

    (jubirev has own thread here: http://www.realscam.com/f9/jubirev-jubimax-1989/)

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    Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by Colorz View Post
    Well Gregg, nobody cares what you think, what i think, what everyone thinks..but i don't lie.
    You just did. I care what he thinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat City, LA View Post
    Everytime I see that in a forum=lies.

    This dipstick is lying. His reasons could include social/mental issues, not raised right, imbecile, in the asylum, etc.
    It's pretty much that he needs to get his money out and thinks this small message board is preventing that and not the scammers themselves.

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    Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

    sadly until the oppurtunity to make some real money in this country is available to the average man and woman im sorry to say that HYIP will continue to thrive and have repeat customers

    if people are still out there taking risk selling drugs and robbing people at gun point for a quick come up

    ponzi and many other scams where people actually get paid will be here to stay

    i see alot of people call it greed but imo roman is greedy but everyone else is just seeking and searching for a good oppurtunity for themselves and those around them to make some real money

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whip View Post
    I would guess it's kinda like any other nobodys that want to say they know any given killer or scammer just to validate their existence.
    Did i say i know him?? Maybe i could say he was a neigbour from me for 3 years, i think that would sound alot better isn't it? I hope you feel better with your amateur psychological explanation, i can see on your answer you are
    a lone person with needs that you can't fill in. like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whip View Post
    It's pretty much that he needs to get his money out and thinks this small message board is preventing that and not the scammers themselves.
    technically small messages boards like this has halted PS

    not saying roman wasnt planning on dippin with the money EVENTUALLY

    but this whole cease movement by the states provided an oppurtunity for Roman to flee with the cash all the while looking innocent

    imo they should have let the program run

    so that everyone could see Roman was planning on running with the $$$$ so they can fully see the trick

    and the right man gets the blame no conspiracy theory's involved + hes caught red handed for prosecution

    right now this story can be spun either way

    altho dude is digging a whole with the whole moving the server to hong kong thing

    but like i said one of the main reasons why hes getting away with this is the states putting PS on blast

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fat City, LA View Post
    Everytime I see that in a forum=lies.

    This dipstick is lying. His reasons could include social/mental issues, not raised right, imbecile, in the asylum, etc.
    Well fat city, actually..i don't now what to say if i read all this..sitting here..sharing a story and then you get al this.
    to be honest, i'm very new too forums and stuff like that..i don't need to go to the doctor anymore because its full
    off doctors here..i'm not raised right..mental issues...imbecile.. why nobody warned me for this kind of forums??

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    Quote Originally Posted by truthloldotcom View Post
    technically small messages boards like this has halted PS

    not saying roman wasnt planning on dippin with the money EVENTUALLY

    but this whole cease movement by the states provided an oppurtunity for Roman to flee with the cash all the while looking innocent

    imo they should have let the program run


    so that everyone could see Roman was planning on running with the $$$$ so they can fully see the trick

    and the right man gets the blame no conspiracy theory's involved + hes caught red handed for prosecution

    right now this story can be spun either way

    altho dude is digging a whole with the whole moving the server to hong kong thing

    but like i said one of the main reasons why hes getting away with this is the states putting PS on blast
    How does a series of Cease and Desist Orders make Roman look innocent? I am afraid you must have drunk the kool aid put out by leading PS shills. The Cease and Desist Orders, together with the warnings that Profitable Sunshine is illegally selling unregistered securities in several countries make him look as guilty as hell. The story now reads Profitable Sunshine received Cease and Desist Orders from many US States and Warnings from others and from the authorities in other countries. The owner Roman Novak has disappeared with the money.

    Equally the authorities in the US, Canada, New Zealand and anywhere else where C & D Orders or warnings have been given are OBLIGED to enforce the law and the law does not permit the sale of unregistered securities to the public and even less where the scheme appears to be a ponzi and members are paid out of new members money. All that has happened is that there will be fewer victims than there would have been if it had been allowed to continue, as there will be no new members entering.

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    Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

    Truthloldotcom,

    No matter which way it plays out there will always be believers and defenders. Charles Ponzi had his defenders, wife beaters have their defenders, and serial killers have fan clubs. Some people are conditioned that there are secret things that rich people do to make money. Any government involvement further ads to the conspiracy or allure. Couple that with as you say people looking for an easy way up and people are ripe for the picking.

    Two things I would think about just a little differently, not everyone that got in involved in PS is looking for a quick score. Some are people that do not have the mental ability to make good choices with their money. No matter what stage a scam is in, government in my opinion has a duty to protect those people.

    Second, and this is something that is not often talked about, but the best cons end with a blow off that leaves people thinking they were lucky to get out when they did. So rather than knowing they were conned, the mark just thinks one more bad break for the little guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by truthloldotcom View Post
    technically small messages boards like this has halted PS

    not saying roman wasnt planning on dippin with the money EVENTUALLY

    but this whole cease movement by the states provided an oppurtunity for Roman to flee with the cash all the while looking innocent

    imo they should have let the program run

    so that everyone could see Roman was planning on running with the $$$$ so they can fully see the trick

    and the right man gets the blame no conspiracy theory's involved + hes caught red handed for prosecution

    right now this story can be spun either way

    altho dude is digging a whole with the whole moving the server to hong kong thing

    but like i said one of the main reasons why hes getting away with this is the states putting PS on blast
    If Roman Novak really could make millions and millions from offering bridge loans to legitimate businesses he wouldn't need a payza account to attract investors. He'd need business licenses and he'd need to file all the required registrations but once he had them there's no way in hell he'd be paying 2.15% interest per day on the money HE borrows.

    But there are no bridge loans, if he was making them he could not only prove he was doing it but it'd be pretty darn hard not to be able find evidence of them taking place. Again, there are no bridge loans. So how does Roman pay one person more money than that one person paid him? Easy, by using money someone else gave him. But that person also wants to be paid more than they paid in so where does Roman find the money to do that? (You're starting to catch on) He takes money from yet other investors. This works fine until more people want to take money out than are currently paying money in. The "Easter gift" for example.

    For as proud as I am of this forums coverage of the program we didn't take Pro Sun down, the laws of mathematics did. Maybe Roman pulled his runner a little sooner than he planed due to regulatory actions but he was always going to pull a runner when more money started flowing out than was coming in. If anything the action of the regulators spared some good people from losing their money here. And they ticked off a bunch of serial ponzi players which is also a win in my book.
    So your prophets of finance have fallen on their collective proverbial face, and you hear muffled voices calling: Welcome to the human race.
    You made a killing dealing real estate at NASA selling cemetery plots in outer space til some falling coffins crashed upon your doorstep: Welcome to the human race.

    Open up your heart...

    Welcome to RealScam.com.

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    Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by Whip View Post
    You just did. I care what he thinks.
    I also care what Gregg thinks and I agree with him as to never been wrong about the calling of these scams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colorz View Post
    Well Gregg, nobody cares what you think, what i think, what everyone thinks..but i don't lie.
    I also care and I enjoy reading his posts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colorz View Post
    Well, i tell you exactly how it wents..i had that little mini picture from that facebook and showed it to my mother, i asked is this Roman, she tried to take a good look at it and said, it can be it his him, she described him as a little men with a blocked body build.(20 yeas ago) I said it could be pretty positiv it was him, i do not said IT IS HIM.
    As I sit here in front of my computer reading this, all that comes to mind is a Christmas Turkey. As in full of!

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    Quote Originally Posted by baylee View Post
    As I sit here in front of my computer reading this, all that comes to mind is a Christmas Turkey. As in full of!
    ..i'm sorry if it looks like that..its the truth..just forget it, wich would be no problem in this situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlimDropper View Post
    if there is anything I could wish for PS members to learn and understand from this entire debacle is never to take anything about programs like this on faith
    Best of luck to you, but if their life experiences thus far didn't teach them to not trust strangers, there is little anyone can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finix View Post
    Best of luck to you, but if their life experiences thus far didn't teach them to not trust strangers, there is little anyone can do.
    My understanding was only trust them if they have candy and a panel van, is that not correct?

    Free candy.jpg

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    If you have the government to create rules that protect the lowest common denominator, that will leave 99% of the population over-regulated and pissed.

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    Roman's office.


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    You can now add Ohio to the list. There was a warning on our local paper's web site. This thing has gone down flaming and fast! I can't believe that there are people who actually believe and defend the notion that "Roman" will rise like a Phoenix from the ashes and change the world! If one asks enough questions they will arrive at the answers. Maybe not the ones they want, but sometimes truth hurts.....................like a $1000+ loss!

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    Let's give it a few more days, as we learned from Myriad Force, PS is blessed by God. Seeing how today was the Sabbath, I'm sure God and Roman will be back to work this week and the mathmatically impossible payments will resume until everybody is in profit.

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    Unless Roman's motto is "perseverance til incarceration", it shouldn't be back, and everyone is beating an already dead horse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCA777
    I can't believe that there are people who actually believe and defend
    It's probably one of the hardest truths to grasp when one becomes aware of 'net fraud.

    In among the shills, pimps, HYIP ponzi players and downright criminals, there ARE real human beings out there who DO believe and defend.

    Our chosen course of action is not to judge, but simply to recognize reality and attempt to do something about it.

    The "WHY" can be left to others to debate.

    One of the foundations of REALSCAM.com came from an acceptance that no single entity can ever expect to "bring down" an online fraud or influence ALL those concerned.

    The choice of the REALSCAM.com logo is no accident.



    We KNOW, from experience, there will always be those who "believe" despite any evidence we provide.

    We KNOW from experience, even after a HYIP ponzi fraudster has pleaded guilty and begun a jail sentence there will STILL be those who simply will not accept they've been conned, but will be out there defending the fraudster/s.

    AND, we know there are those who will continue to snipe from the sidelines about how ineffective forums such as this are BECAUSE there are still "true believers" or still HYIP ponzi frauds in existence or the other multitude of insults thrown our way.

    "WE", as in REALSCAM.com make no claims to be anything other than a source of information.

    So far, the collective "WE" has a perfect score when it comes to pointing out obvious HYIP ponzi fraud DESPITE the "outrageous slings and arrows" thrown our way by those on the other side of the fence.
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

    What constitutes a security online? While it clearly applies to investments made via wire transfers, does it really apply to transfer of balances between e-currency accounts of PS admins and PS members? Wouldn't the balances in e-currencies be more consumer items (like game tokens) than money?

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    Looking for a "Roman Novak" ???

    Knock yourself out:

    Roman Novák, 16.03. - Obchodní rejst

    http://roman-novak-prerov.czechtrade.us/
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finix View Post
    What constitutes a security online? While it clearly applies to investments made via wire transfers, does it really apply to transfer of balances between e-currency accounts of PS admins and PS members? Wouldn't the balances in e-currencies be more consumer items (like game tokens) than money?
    I guess you missed on PS website where Roman said he offered 5 "investment" plans. No mention of money games but "investing." I guess you missed that he used the words invest/investment/investments 15 times on the home page alone. I guess you missed where he mentioned the words invest/investment/investments 28 times on the FAQ Page about the type of "investments" PS offered.

    Money game, hardly as no mention anywhere on his website. That's why the states and other countries have issed their alerts, warnings and cease and desist orders.
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