Thread: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

Originally Posted by Gregg

oopsi!

Hmm, so your imaginary "pretty positive that this is Roman" ,,,oh hell...I'm flat out calling you a liar...

Well, i tell you exactly how it wents..i had that little mini picture from that facebook and showed it to my mother, i asked is this Roman, she tried to take a good look at it and said, it can be it his him, she described him as a little men with a blocked body build.(20 yeas ago) I said it could be pretty positiv it was him, i do not said IT IS HIM.

Originally Posted by Colorz

Testify for what?? She just worked with him for some time (20 years ago) in another branche that have nothing to do with ponzi's, there wasn't even internet..she just gave some info of Roman what corresponds with the info on the website, thats all, so at this point i knewed this was the Roman she talked about. Is that so hard to understand for you??? connecting PS in her head wtf are you talking about..?? Jeezes..

Than stop going around and saying that your mom knew the guy, if she did she better be ready, cause that person is now a wanted criminal.
But at this point it is not even worth for anyone to listen to you or your mom, she (or you) clearly said "thats the Guy" on the picture who was not "Roman".


As well as her story about working with him 20 years ago, worth nothing, "Roman" would be at school or not even born.

I tried to believe what you said, but you just lied in my face.
If there are some Novaks she knew and she thinks that the story matches to PS Novaks, I would like to find those Novaks and talk. maybe they were victims or identity fraud, there are a lot of possibilities.
If you hesitate to provide info to me on your mother or Novaks, tell me what State, City you in i will tell you who your mother should contact localy to provide all info.
But at this point nobody can take you seriously, prove me wrong.

@Colorz: I'd like to ask you what your goal is with trying to proof something here. Who cares if Roman Novak or Radoslav Novak exists? If they do they will get busted. If not, then the owner who was operating under a fake name will get busted. And if they don't get busted then there are still some pitchmen left who will face legal charges. However this story ends, someone will get into trouble.

Originally Posted by Fendaril

My mother met littleRoundMan in person and saw his model girlfriend and five mansions, really charming dude.

You guys still don't get it why i post this huh? You still don't ******* get it? What is the reason i say this too you all you think? Just because it makes me happy to make a fantasy story about a guy who is not real in your eyes?? you guys are searching and doing everything to get profitable sunrise down, you guys come with information on this site that i say..wow, there are really some Pro's on this site, where they get that info? BUT you still don't know that Roman is just a real person. This is where i come in and say my story to you guys, and what do you get? LIAR LIAR LIAR, good job guys! Yeah i know guys you must test me on credibility etc etc..Well you know what, come get the info, PM me, i'll give you the adress and come out from behind your monitors, goddamned

Originally Posted by NikSam

Here is how PS looked in January 2012 in its begining:
Attachment 3369

Have fun with the wayback machine: Welcome to Profitable Sunrise!

It's very reminiscent of the bizarrely named "Cash Tanker" HYIP, which traded on an image of Jesus Christ and purported to have a Christmas Day payout.

Oh, Cash Tanker also had a purported tie to Seychelles, rather like Profitable Sunrise.

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Originally Posted by ICCBernd

@Colorz: I'd like to ask you what your goal is with trying to proof something here. Who cares if Roman Novak or Radoslav Novak exists? If they do they will get busted. If not, then the owner who was operating under a fake name will get busted. And if they don't get busted then there are still some pitchmen left who will face legal charges. However this story ends, someone will get into trouble.

My goal was to share something with you guys, it is hard to see guys saying that he just don't exist if you have another story..maybe it was just better not to tell my story and to leave this alone. there are not only sharks in the ponzi world..thats what i learned here!

Colorz, some people here know more details on your blessed Profitable Sunrise or "Roman" and his adventures when you or your Mom or Nanci or any other ponzi pimp out there or an average victim of that ponzi.
So if you just have nothing else to do, go "troll" somewhere where you will find like-minded people or idiots who will believe what you are saying.

Originally Posted by NikSam

Colorz, some people here know more details on your blessed Profitable Sunrise or "Roman" and his adventures when you or your Mom or Nanci or any other ponzi pimp out there or an average victim of that ponzi.
So if you just have nothing else to do, go "troll" somewhere where you will find like-minded people or idiots who will believe what you are saying.

Niksam, you better take a good look to the answer of ICCBernd, thats what i call an intelligent answer without pushing people who want to share something into the deadpit.. He is right, who cares in the end if he's a real person or not. I taught that in the ponzi world a real person might be a different story because i always hear that these guys use fake names, so i am a little curious how this story is going to end..I wanted too contribute my part, but with guys like you it's very hard to do this.

By the way, there is no need to get PS down - it is already down. :)

Colorz, if there is anything I could wish for PS members to learn and understand from this entire debacle is never to take anything about programs like this on faith. Bridge loans? Millions and millions in assets? Make them prove it. Make them show licenses and registrations. It would take the average person less than five minutes to find out where Nanci Jo lives but nobody knows where Roman Novak lives.

It's somewhere between possible to likely that Roman Novak is a made up name. You say that 20 years ago your mother worked with a Roman Novak and that he bares some physical resemblance to someone running an unrelated ponzi scheme. I'm sorry that no one here has broken their arm patting you on the back for sharing that but what you've said doesn't exactly meet the standard of evidence. Hell I doubt it reaches the level of hearsay. If you can draw a straight line from your mother's former coworker to the possibly fictional Roman Novak of PS fame we'd be delighted to see what evidence you produce supporting the contention.

But like I started this post saying, when it comes to internet scam programs don't believe anything you can't prove.

Originally Posted by Colorz

You guys still don't get it why i post this huh? You still don't ******* get it? What is the reason i say this too you all you think? Just because it makes me happy to make a fantasy story about a guy who is not real in your eyes?? you guys are searching and doing everything to get profitable sunrise down, you guys come with information on this site that i say..wow, there are really some Pro's on this site, where they get that info? BUT you still don't know that Roman is just a real person. This is where i come in and say my story to you guys, and what do you get? LIAR LIAR LIAR, good job guys! Yeah i know guys you must test me on credibility etc etc..Well you know what, come get the info, PM me, i'll give you the adress and come out from behind your monitors, goddamned

I don't know why dinar gurus swear every day that they KNOW its gonna RV in days. They have a friend in some bank who told them....but I know they're lying just as I know you're lying. It doesn't make sense, I know, but its true!

Originally Posted by GlimDropper

Colorz, if there is anything I could wish for PS members to learn and understand from this entire debacle is never to take anything about programs like this on faith. Bridge loans? Millions and millions in assets? Make them prove it. Make them show licenses and registrations. It would take the average person less than five minutes to find out where Nanci Jo lives but nobody knows where Roman Novak lives.

It's somewhere between possible to likely that Roman Novak is a made up name. You say that 20 years ago your mother worked with a Roman Novak and that he bares some physical resemblance to someone running an unrelated ponzi scheme. I'm sorry that no one here has broken their arm patting you on the back for sharing that but what you've said doesn't exactly meet the standard of evidence. Hell I doubt it reaches the level of hearsay. If you can draw a straight line from your mother's former coworker to the possibly fictional Roman Novak of PS fame we'd be delighted to see what evidence you produce supporting the contention.

But like I started this post saying, when it comes to internet scam programs don't believe anything you can't prove.

Hmm ok i think this is very reasonable. Like i said in the past on this forum it's not my intention too proof if this a ponzi or not or to take your statements in question, its not my ground, i'm very new to all this so a let that over to you guys.
But you cannot take away from me that its VERY VERY strange that she knewed Roman Novak has a brother that is a lawyer, where he lived/origin was. At least, i find it very strange..How does this info comes on a site like PS?? and hell no, i don't need that patting on my back lol, but i don't need also the same word LIAR over and over again, I just want an answer on this one like you guys, i want to see the story unfolding..thats all.

Originally Posted by Gregg

I don't know why dinar gurus swear every day that they KNOW its gonna RV in days. They have a friend in some bank who told them....but I know they're lying just as I know you're lying. It doesn't make sense, I know, but its true!

Well Gregg, nobody cares what you think, what i think, what everyone thinks..but i don't lie.

Originally Posted by wserra

You ought to come over to Quatloos more often, GD. We specialize in providing dark allies. Between webhick's inexhaustible supply of interns and the high-level Illuminati we provide to supervise them, Q is your source nonpareil for dark allies.

Oh, you mean "dark alleys". Never mind.

Leave it to Wes to correct my spelling and make it a compliment. BTW, my original initiation was in the traditional (Bavarian) branch, if I were to ever switch my allegiance to a local Illuminati group would I need to end the previous affiliation or would I merely be responsible from bringing the pretzels?

Anyway . . . as to Nancy Jo Frazer. She didn't think that her bankruptcy (docket 10-33728, OHND) had anything to do with past business dealings either. The petition shows this in a couple of ways. First of all, on the very first page, she checks the box that says "Debts are primarily consumer debts, defined in 11 U.S.C. § 101(8) as "incurred by an individual primarily for a personal, family, or household purpose" as opposed to the box for business debts. Second, if she did get stiffed by someone who owed her money from business dealings, that debt to her ought to be listed as an asset, even if uncollectible; it isn't. Third, virtually all of her unsecured debt is credit card - about $150K.

And, of course, she lists no income at all from any online activities. That's $0.00. Make of that what you will, but it surely seems that she is lying to either the Court or the masses.

The information in the Rip Off Report that intheknow linked to has Nanci meeting Mr. Crespo in September of 09 and mentions that she (and her team) worked for six months before realizing that they weren't going to be paid. That would make it April of 2010 more or less and the bankruptcy was discharged (thank you for the file by the by) in May of that year. You're better situated to answer this than I but at the bottom of the document it reads:

Amounts are subject to adjustment on 4/01/13, and every three years thereafter with respect to cases commenced on or after the date of adjustment.

If someone went into significant debt to Nanci (purported to be $210K), even if it was just a few weeks or months after the BK was discharged wouldn't that trigger an adjustment in the filing? If so do you know if any amended filings exist?

As for online earnings in the period in question there may well have been none. Back then Nanci Jo was jumping from one MLM to another (which might explain her debt to income issues). Looking at her Linkedin profile the one that made me smile was:

Executive Director

UFirst Financial



2008 – 2010 (2 years)
Certified UFirst Financial Advisor marketing specialized software designed for Home Mortgage Debt reduction acceleration.

.,...


Distributor

UFirst Financial



2007 – 2009 (2 years)
Was certified to assist individuals with finacial planning technology. Established a team of reps to expand platform.

UFirst financial sells expensive "Money Merge Account® software" which not only performs the miraculous feat of paying off you mortgage sooner by sending additional payments each month but also provides similarly brilliant suggestions for paying your debts off quicker by paying your debts off quicker. The fact that Nanci Jo was an "Executive Director" in a debt elimination company while going bankrupt seems fitting, not only for her but for them as well.

Originally Posted by NikSam

Than stop going around and saying that your mom knew the guy, if she did she better be ready, cause that person is now a wanted criminal.
But at this point it is not even worth for anyone to listen to you or your mom, she (or you) clearly said "thats the Guy" on the picture who was not "Roman".

As well as her story about working with him 20 years ago, worth nothing, "Roman" would be at school or not even born.
I tried to believe what you said, but you just lied in my face.
If there are some Novaks she knew and she thinks that the story matches to PS Novaks, I would like to find those Novaks and talk. maybe they were victims or identity fraud, there are a lot of possibilities.
If you hesitate to provide info to me on your mother or Novaks, tell me what State, City you in i will tell you who your mother should contact localy to provide all info.
But at this point nobody can take you seriously, prove me wrong.

Be ready? be ready for what?? tell me and let me laugh!
And i'm very sorry she was probably not right, it was a TINY picture that i showed here..sorry mate, i will
tell her that she was wrong. are you always sure? she told me he was little and blocked build and that this probably
could be him, so i said that here..i was wrong..no i am the big liar.well...

If you followed this from in the beginning you see that i somewhere put up that this Roman 20years ago did a bussiness what he still does today and where he is the ceo from, now i tell you a lot more then you actually deserve my friend.
And if they want more info they can PM me, but i don't think that the BIG mighty USA has too call me for the little info that i have and they probably already has. Btw. it's open on the internet

btw. How do you know how old he is??

And on today's episode of PS Rumorama:

Profitable Sunrise IBOs

4 hours ago


If you did not read this:
Hello all,
This email only goes to those who are frontline in the group. Please pass this on to your downline and have them do the same. An earlier email did not go to everyone and this has been corrected.
Had a great conversation this last week with Roman. We talked about current affairs, Easter Gift and the future of PSR. He did want everyone to know that you are all appreciated and wanted to be sure that you know he says 'Thank you'. He also said to please be patient. We spoke for about an hour and part of that conversation was "we will be moving servers". That information went in one ear and out the other and never thought to ask any details. What is happening now is just that. One of the more important items was the growth of the Asian areas and how this will impact and benefit all of us. He said this is an area that is a great value for what he is doing with his company and for us. We talked about the delays in Support, payment solutions, why the need for wires only etc. He is in the process of training new staff for support that speak at least 3 languages. Pay solutions including Echeck and offshore banking and possibly other types will be available soon. He does not want to be held "hostage" by a pay processor company. One of the reasons for moving to wires is not for his benefit but for ours. They are not "bound" by US concerns but as anyone can imagine, different agencies want their fair share and are not comfortable unless they know exactly what (we) are doing with any earnings. While this does not impact those who are out of the US, remember, companies like STP, banks and others can be affected unless they feel confident that funds are correctly reported so it cannot be ignored. For now, we wait. In the time of knowing Roman, he is very intelligent and knows what needs to be done. Again he appreciates the support, prayers and each of us.

Hope to have more information soon!




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Roman says "Thank You." How very polite of him.

Originally Posted by Colorz

Well Gregg, nobody cares what you think . . .

I care about what Gregg thinks. He has done a lot to educate the public about these outrageous frauds. He was among the first -- if not THE first -- to speak out against the Zeek-related knockoff frauds and misinformation campaigns, for example. Of course, the "industry" and the committed trolls who apparently demand Emily Post-like perfection from Gregg in etiquette and discussion pretend that he has no insight at all. He gets lanced and pilloried and ridiculed and demonized and suffers the slings and arrows when criminal organizations are stealing hundreds of millions of dollars at a time -- all because of his efforts to educate the public.

These "programs" are dangerous locally, regionally, nationally and internationally. One of the great psychological mysteries of our time is how some people can go from AdSurfDaily to Zeek to Profitable Sunrise (with stops in between) and then profess ignorance that they were/are part of a culture of in-your-face criminality.

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Originally Posted by PPBlog

I care about what Gregg thinks. He has done a lot to educate the public about these outrageous frauds. He was among the first -- if not THE first -- to speak out against the Zeek-related knockoff frauds and misinformation campaigns, for example. Of course, the "industry" and the committed trolls who apparently demand Emily Post-like perfection from Gregg in etiquette and discussion pretend that he has no insight at all. He gets lanced and pilloried and ridiculed and demonized and suffers the slings and arrows when criminal organizations are stealing hundreds of millions of dollars at a time -- all because of his efforts to educate the public.

These "programs" are dangerous locally, regionally, nationally and internationally. One of the great psychological mysteries of our time is how some people can go from AdSurfDaily to Zeek to Profitable Sunrise (with stops in between) and then profess ignorance that they were/are part of a culture of in-your-face criminality.

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- He gets lanced and pilloried and ridiculed and demonized and suffers the slings and arrows -

Well, that explains his attitude to me..

Originally Posted by Colorz

- He gets lanced and pilloried and ridiculed and demonized and suffers the slings and arrows -

Well, that explains his attitude to me..

If Gregg has an "attitude," it's for good reason. These schemes have been cherry-picking family and individual wealth for years now and putting it in the hands of criminals or worse. At least 24 securities regulators have issued either cease-and-desist orders or Investor Alerts against Profitable Sunrise, which traded on Bible verse and advertised 2.7 percent a DAY through a "plan" dubbed the "Long Haul" that had a purported Easter payout.

This AFTER "Cash Tanker," which traded on an image of Jesus Christ and had "plans" similar to Profitable Sunrise, promised a Christmas Day payout.

Both of these "programs" had a presence on the Ponzi boards, like ASD, Zeek, Imperia Invest, Legisi, P2P and MANY more. The "programs" had promoters in common. Venues in common. "Defenses" in common. Narratives in common.

One of the common things in virtually ALL of the "programs" was an effort to deflect blame onto the critics and to make their "attitudes" the issue.

It is never going to fly among people who value intellectual honesty, and yet the script never changes. That should be worrisome to all fair-minded people.

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Originally Posted by Colorz

Well, point is that i have NO reason for lying..

Everytime I see that in a forum=lies.

This dipstick is lying. His reasons could include social/mental issues, not raised right, imbecile, in the asylum, etc.

Originally Posted by Colorz

You guys still don't get it why i post this huh? You still don't ******* get it? What is the reason i say this too you all you think? Just because it makes me happy to make a fantasy story about a guy who is not real in your eyes?? you guys are searching and doing everything to get profitable sunrise down, you guys come with information on this site that i say..wow, there are really some Pro's on this site, where they get that info? BUT you still don't know that Roman is just a real person. This is where i come in and say my story to you guys, and what do you get? LIAR LIAR LIAR, good job guys! Yeah i know guys you must test me on credibility etc etc..Well you know what, come get the info, PM me, i'll give you the adress and come out from behind your monitors, goddamned

This poster shows signs of mental illness and/or developmental disabilities.

Originally Posted by wserra

You ought to come over to Quatloos more often, GD. We specialize in providing dark allies. Between webhick's inexhaustible supply of interns and the high-level Illuminati we provide to supervise them, Q is your source nonpareil for dark allies.

Oh, you mean "dark alleys". Never mind.

Anyway . . . as to Nancy Jo Frazer. She didn't think that her bankruptcy (docket 10-33728, OHND) had anything to do with past business dealings either. The petition shows this in a couple of ways. First of all, on the very first page, she checks the box that says "Debts are primarily consumer debts, defined in 11 U.S.C. § 101(8) as "incurred by an individual primarily for a personal, family, or household purpose" as opposed to the box for business debts. Second, if she did get stiffed by someone who owed her money from business dealings, that debt to her ought to be listed as an asset, even if uncollectible; it isn't. Third, virtually all of her unsecured debt is credit card - about $150K.

And, of course, she lists no income at all from any online activities. That's $0.00. Make of that what you will, but it surely seems that she is lying to either the Court or the masses.

Anyone else get the idea that Nanci Jo is a full on MLM junkie who gets all excited at every gathering, has been down the Amway, NuSkin, Pampered Chef, Home Furnishings, Monavie blahblablah path and has a garage, a basement and spare bedroom full of autoshipped overpriced junk? I mean, look at her house, sorry but that looks like the Mary K lady's house....
I'm also wondering, if her husband is truly a bank executive, if he knew before the bankruptcy how deep in she was? $150K in credit card debt? That's a lot vig, kids.

Originally Posted by PPBlog

I care about what Gregg thinks. He has done a lot to educate the public about these outrageous frauds. He was among the first -- if not THE first -- to speak out against the Zeek-related knockoff frauds and misinformation campaigns, for example. Of course, the "industry" and the committed trolls who apparently demand Emily Post-like perfection from Gregg in etiquette and discussion pretend that he has no insight at all. He gets lanced and pilloried and ridiculed and demonized and suffers the slings and arrows when criminal organizations are stealing hundreds of millions of dollars at a time -- all because of his efforts to educate the public.

These "programs" are dangerous locally, regionally, nationally and internationally. One of the great psychological mysteries of our time is how some people can go from AdSurfDaily to Zeek to Profitable Sunrise (with stops in between) and then profess ignorance that they were/are part of a culture of in-your-face criminality.

PPBlog

Why thank you, Patrick and everyone else. I do try. And even though I have never claimed to be very nice, in 10 or more years I have yet to be wrong about any of these 'programs'.

Originally Posted by GlimDropper

You say that 20 years ago your mother worked with a Roman Novak and that he bares some physical resemblance

That's disgusting. I mean, isn't it bad enough that the guy has been running an obvious ponzi, ripping people off left and right, without him taking off his clothes? Whatever happened to ponzi schemers like Madoff, who wore $2000 suits?

Oh, you mean "bears some physical resemblance". Never mind.

at the bottom of the document it reads:

Amounts are subject to adjustment on 4/01/13, and every three years thereafter with respect to cases commenced on or after the date of adjustment.

That refers to the amounts involved in the so-called "presumption of abuse dismissal" that results from failing the means test of 11 USC § 707(b)(2). Trust me, it's not worth worrying about.

My point was that Frazer claims that this guy owes her a lot of money, but didn't list the debt in her bankruptcy filing. And, while she filed the petition in May 2010, the discharge didn't occur until September. She surely has an obligation to report any change in circumstances to the Court during the pendency of the action.

As for online earnings in the period in question there may well have been none.

I have no problem at all believing that. But look what she writes on her web page:

Nanci Jo Frazer is one of the most recognized and influential business women today in her field. She brings her own unique skills and positive "mojo" to everything she does. Ms. Frazer has successfully held positions as CEO, COO and Vice President of Marketing for companies offering domestic and global expansion.

But 2.5 years ago, she was allegedly destitute.

IT'S A MIRACLE! Or bullshit.

Originally Posted by ICCBernd

@Colorz: I'd like to ask you what your goal is with trying to proof something here. Who cares if Roman Novak or Radoslav Novak exists? If they do they will get busted. If not, then the owner who was operating under a fake name will get busted. And if they don't get busted then there are still some pitchmen left who will face legal charges. However this story ends, someone will get into trouble.

I would guess it's kinda like any other nobodys that want to say they know any given killer or scammer just to validate their existence.