Thread: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

At this point, if anyone still thinks that PS is not a ponzi scheme than they deserve to lose every penny they invest in it.

To be fair I want to right now extend an invitation to Nanci Jo Frazer and Roman Novak to be on my Sunday night Internet broadcast. Please contact me by e mail jim@christianmoney.com so we can bring you on right at the very beginning of the show to give your side of the story.

Originally Posted by JamesParis

To be fair I want to right now extend an invitation to Nanci Jo Frazer and Roman Novak to be on my Sunday night Internet broadcast. Please contact me by e mail jim@christianmoney.com so we can bring you on right at the very beginning of the show to give your side of the story.

Thank you Jim. That is appreciated.

And to the Eagle one. No, it is not my first time. I know that it is not proof that its not a ponzi if everyone has been paid so far.
I am not an absolute apologist for this program or the people involved.

March 9, 2013 9:25 pm - We have learned that the Better Business Bureau has given Profitable Sunrise an F rating, issued a special warning, and has classified the business as a Ponzi scheme.

James L. Paris Christian Financial Advice: Profitable Sunrise: Christians Hope To Cash In

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Amanda (aka QS aka Quicksilver and many other 'ids') in reply to those she uh...cons...sucks in...pretends she knows nothing...etc

Amanda says:
March 7, 2013 at 3:40 am
Yes Paul. Profitable Sunrise received two “cease and desist” orders from two states in the US. It appears this is his solution…we shall see.

Now, she KNOWS full well what this means...does she care?....Nope...

sandy says:
March 6, 2013 at 10:54 pm
Got an email from Roman Novak that we can only make withdraws via Bank Wire in the USA. Is that true?

Amanda says:
March 7, 2013 at 3:39 am
It looks like that’s his solution…I’m sure we’ll hear more.

Amanda says:
March 7, 2013 at 3:25 am
Email from Roman @ ProfitableSunrise:
My Dear Friends,....blah, blah, blah...
Evidently this is his answer to the “Cease and Desist” orders he has received from two states in the US. I’m sure we’ll hear more.

Jon says:
March 7, 2013 at 11:26 am
Hi Amanda
Do you know how this will affect Pro Sun members not living in US and not having US bank accounts eg with bank account in United Kingdom for example? Thanks.

Amanda says:
March 8, 2013 at 4:02 am
@Jon. I don’t believe ProfitableSunrise uses a US bank. The bankwires will be International wires and can be sent to almost any country (with fees, of course).

Amanda says:
March 8, 2013 at 6:04 am
...Be prepared for the “panic” syndrome…we’ll see a lot of withdrawal requests from those who aren’t compounding.

Amanda says:
March 8, 2013 at 4:59 am
Unfortunately, I believe the Admin’s decision to use bankwire only will cause a huge problem for hundreds of members with Profitable Sunrise. Initially it will be a problem for all the the members who have “small” deposits....

I will tell you what I finally decided to do — I set my account on COMPOUND. The only reason I did this is because I don’t believe I have any other option except walk away and let my money sit in my account and slowly grow. I might as well since I can’t withdraw. Now I sit back and see if PS can weather the storm.

And, that folks, is just a tiny bit of insight into how the 'pro scammers/players/con artists' keep the game going. 'Amanda' is fully aware of what is really happening with PS, but will she ever admit?....Nope...Does she think this will keep her safe and under the radar?...Yep...good on her...

[QUOTE=JamesParis;48024]March 9, 2013 9:25 pm - We have learned that the Better Business Bureau has given Profitable Sunrise an F rating, issued a special warning, and has classified the business as a Ponzi scheme.



Hmmmmm......Zero (-0-) complaints in 3 years

Originally Posted by tcob

Hmmmmm......Zero (-0-) complaints in 3 years

There is nothing to complain about yet. PS is definitely one of the better online HYIPs in terms of longevity.

[QUOTE=tcob;48033]

Originally Posted by JamesParis

March 9, 2013 9:25 pm - We have learned that the Better Business Bureau has given Profitable Sunrise an F rating, issued a special warning, and has classified the business as a Ponzi scheme.



Hmmmmm......Zero (-0-) complaints in 3 years

I'm fairly new at this...But i get it.. there will be no complaints against profitable sunrise (roman novak ) untill there is not enough $$ coming in to pay the people at the top..then it's to late..either roman runs with whats left Or the feds try and stop this from happening and MAYBE>>MAYBE salvage some of this $$ and possibly be in a position to return some back to the people that was suckered into believing this was real.. come-on tcob WAKEUP!!

Originally Posted by fishbay

there will be no complaints against profitable sunrise (roman novak ) untill there is not enough $$ coming in to pay the people at the top

There will not be complaints until PS stops paying everyone who has requested a w/d. Should be pretty soon.

Originally Posted by Finix

One door closes, another one opens up.

Or in your case....One door closes and another one slams right in your face...))

Originally Posted by tcob

Hmmmmm......Zero (-0-) complaints in 3 years

Tell me, Oh financial guru, how many BBB complaints were made against Madoff Investments ???

Zero complaints in 3 years means what, exactly ???

In the Investors' Gospel According to tcob, no BBB complaints means legitimacy.

Ah, good ol' HYIP ponzi players' logic,

ya can't beat it.

MyriadForce made one of his Jesus is blessing PS and Jesus thank you for PS posts and said you weren't investing but loaning money to Roman. I responded with I guess they forgot to tell Roman as he has the word investment/investments/invest 15 times on the home page, and on the FAQ it has these same words 28 times and starts with the question and answer:

What investment plans do you offer? Answer: We offer 5 investment plans:

His post, several others who commented and mine are MIA.

Makes me wonder which cry-baby complained? Guess they couldn't stand the truth.

I am hoping that Roman and Nanci Jo will take Jim Paris up on his offer to appear on his radio show Sunday evening to tell their side of the story. While I hope they do, I doubt very seriously if the will. They know the show will be recorded, and anything they say can be used against them should they be charged. But if they are real as claimed, they have nothing to worry about or fear now do they?

Originally Posted by ribshaw

Out of curiosity, have you seen any HYIP set up and brought down for the sole purpose of money laundering? I am sure they all have a part in it, but if one were to pay a reasonable rate of return (like Madoff) as to fly under the radar it almost seems the ideal front.

Set up and brought down for the sole purpose of? I really can't answer that one. A lot, I really a lot, of money laundering goes on in HYIPs, I suspect mostly in the middling sized ones, when one gets this big or bigger, it starts attracting attention that people washing illicit money try to avoid. I wouldn't be surprised to find that dozens of the ones that go limp in just a few weeks are set up just to launder money. But none of it would be possible if not for the anonymous money payment companies. I wrote something about processors a while back and in it I quoted STPs supposed rules for accepting a merchant account, and asked publicly if they are so strict with their security, how come hundreds if not thousands of their business accounts belonged to disappeared ponzi schemes. I'm still waiting on an answer.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

I am hoping that Roman and Nanci Jo will take Jim Paris up on his offer to appear on his radio show Sunday evening to tell their side of the story.

To be fair, are they going to even know that they were invited? A last minute post on RS doesn't count as invitation.

Originally Posted by Gregg

I wouldn't be surprised to find that dozens of the ones that go limp in just a few weeks are set up just to launder money.

No, those are for admins to get a quick couple of thousand. Out of curiosity, why would anyone setup an illegal front for money laundering? There are plenty of legal and semi-legal fronts. There are banks that are setup entirely for that purpose.

Originally Posted by Fendaril

Majestic Crown looks pretty promising, you should check the site out.

Other than certificate of incorporation slapped on the site, what's so promising about it?

Posted on my site as well. They don't answer their phone so let me know your ideas on a better option to invie them.

If they don't read RS or your site (why would they?), they wouldn't know. Your chances of getting an interview with Roman are slim. Nanci might be interested in talking about FUMI, but not PS. Contact her through FUMI.

Very sad to see videos like this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=OQ_BoisZD1A

Profitable Sunrise added to Wikipedia HYIP scam page Profitable Sunrise

Originally Posted by JamesParis

Very sad to see videos like this one

What seems to be difficult for RS members to process/accept is the fact that there are people PS has truly helped during the three years it operated. On the one hand, such programs leave a lot of people miserable. On the other hand, they help a lot of people as well.

Originally Posted by Finix

What seems to be difficult for RS members to process/accept is the fact that there are people PS has truly helped during the three years it operated. On the one hand, such programs leave a lot of people miserable. On the other hand, they help a lot of people as well.

Bernie Madoff helped a lot of people as well.

Originally Posted by Fendaril

Bernie Madoff helped a lot of people as well.

True, but Bernie took it to the scale when it became a threat to national economy.

Originally Posted by JamesParis

Profitable Sunrise added to Wikipedia HYIP scam page Profitable Sunrise

Did you add it to Wikipedia Jim?
I noticed when you click on the link it goes straight to your website.
Kind of self serving isnt it?

Are you enjoying all of the national attention you are getting from this?
It must be really helping your business

Originally Posted by tcob

Kind of self serving isnt it?

Welcome to REAL scam, the largest collection of self-serving a-holes in the industry.