Thread: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

Here is how NJF account looked at some point (approximately November 2012):
Nancy had 6652 downlines
PS_NANCY_ACT.jpg

Source: NJF Global Group -5-Transaction Page - Transaction Type-2012-11-20_0025 - njfglobal's library


Which also shows she never put her own money in and was just grabbing 5% referral commissions.


She is a Pimp..

Originally Posted by NikSam

Here is how NJF account looked at some point (approximately November 2012):
Nancy had 6652 downlines
PS_NANCY_ACT.jpg

Source: NJF Global Group -5-Transaction Page - Transaction Type-2012-11-20_0025 - njfglobal's library

Her own balance is probably entirely from ref commissions. Playing with other peoples' money wouldn't be anything new to her - take a look at all the donation buttons on the FU ministries site.

Originally Posted by Finix

How do you come up with BS? He doesn't need to respond to NC if he doesn't want to. He has to comply with cease and desist order. It's very simple to do if you know where all your members are. Exclude NC, and voila! The problem is he doesn't know sh!t because he used payment processors. That's why he switched to wire transfers, so that he can at least pretend to boot NC.

He will be gone before the date he has to respond to the NC authorities. How is he going to respond when he is not licensed or regsitered to business, let alone to sell investments. Sheesh, he was given until March 27 to respond. This will be lucky if it is still operating by the end of next week. He can't make the Easter payment. The NC authorities just sped up his exit plan.

These bank wires was to stop the cash drain from the small players. They now have to accumulate at least $200 to withdraw. They don't have enough time left to accumulate that much money. You keep sounding like this is a legal program instead of a Ponzi. This is toast, done, put a fork in it, it's over. The only thing to determine is how much longer before he shuts this down.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

How is he going to respond when he is not licensed or regsitered to business, let alone to sell investments.

It's a cease and desist order. All he has to do is cease and desist doing business with N.C. residents by March 27.

Originally Posted by NikSam

She is a Pimp..

Another good find, but I really need to ask is $6,000 all she took from this thing? Could she not be getting paid on the side? I hate to seem out of touch, but if I was going to lead 6600 to the wolves I would at least want enough for first class plane fare so some place warm and far away.

Originally Posted by ribshaw

Another good find, but I really need to ask is $6,000 all she took from this thing?

Even at that time it was 9K with interest. It's probably a lot more than that since.

Originally Posted by ribshaw

Could she not be getting paid on the side?

Doubtful. Admins hate to do straight up deals like that unless they know you forever. Besides, she is a lot more valuable to Roman as a believer than as a shill.

Originally Posted by Finix

It's a cease and desist order. All he has to do is cease and desist doing business with N.C. residents by March 27.

I don't think he even needs to do that. If he fails to respond the C&D becomes permanent but it isn't like he's running any form of legal enterprise in the first place so anything he does or says is just part of the puppet show. The only thing he really needs to do from here on in is to make sure that anyone who knows who or where he is gets paid and everyone else can pound sand. Odds are he's already running his next HYIP under another identity and it's safe to assume his exit strategy from Pro Sun is well in place.

Same as it ever was.

Originally Posted by ribshaw

Another good find, but I really need to ask is $6,000 all she took from this thing? Could she not be getting paid on the side? I hate to seem out of touch, but if I was going to lead 6600 to the wolves I would at least want enough for first class plane fare so some place warm and far away.

It really will depend on what kind of deal she made with Roman. The major promoters always get better terms than the masses. They are also the first ones out of a program while professing its legitimatcy and claiming it is paying.

What I find interesting is that Nanci Jo thinks she can sanitize her involvement in PS and act like nothing happened. Taking down all the videos, cleansing her websites of damning information is laughable. They are all archived.

Wonder if MyriadForce still believes God is blessing PS?

Originally Posted by Finix

Even at that time it was 9K with interest. It's probably a lot more than that since.

Doubtful. Admins hate to do straight up deals like that unless they know you forever. Besides, she is a lot more valuable to Roman as a believer than as a shill.

I am just amazed, I really figured she was up there like the people on the top of the MLM pyramid. I think a few pages back someone said she had 20,000 in her down line, even at $9,000 or $50,000 or whatever, that is a heck of a lot of work and risk for her, and a lot of profit for Roman. I now have to put Nancy at the top of the heap of suckers in this thing.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

It really will depend on what kind of deal she made with Roman. The major promoters always get better terms than the masses. They are also the first ones out of a program while professing its legitimatcy and claiming it is paying.

What I find interesting is that Nanci Jo thinks she can sanitize her involvement in PS and act like nothing happened. Taking down all the videos, cleansing her websites of damning information is laughable. They are all archived.

Wonder if MyriadForce still believes God is blessing PS?

I would say Myriad is blaming the feds right now and will never admit to himself or others he was duped. I have to say though my mind is just blown right now, she could be going to jail over some 5 figure payout? I really though she was someone who would walk away with at least a million. What on earth was she thinking?

The rev. was boasting a new Lexus, guess a flashy car is worth selling the flock down the river.

Originally Posted by ribshaw

I would say Myriad is blaming the feds right now and will never admit to himself or others he was duped. I have to say though my mind is just blown right now, she could be going to jail over some 5 figure payout? I really though she was someone who would walk away with at least a million. What on earth was she thinking?

I know what he will claim, but if God was truly blessing this, even the "evil" government couldn't stop it.

But Nanci Jo has gotten far more than she is showing in this Ponzi. After all she can't show how much she was raking in or it would have hurt recruiting for people to join her group.

What is going to be interesting to me is to see how the people in her group respond to all of what is happening now and when Roman runs with the money which is much sooner than people think. This is going to tell me how quickly they will join her in her next Ponzi de Jour, and you can bet there will be a next one. I wouldn't be surprised that she was meeting with Roman on her "vacation" to cook up the next Ponzi since this one was such a huge success.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

I wouldn't be surprised that she was meeting with Roman on her "vacation" to cook up the next Ponzi since this one was such a huge success.

What does she need Roman for with this downline? She can run herself and take it all.

Originally Posted by Finix

What does she need Roman for with this downline? She can run herself and take it all.

She's not that smart.

My Dear Friends,

It is been a really long time since I last spoke to you by means of a personal message. A lot of very important developments have take place in the course of the last several months. I felt that it is the time for you to hear my mind on them.

Thanks to your valued support my business has grown really big and strong. This would not have been possible without you. The growth has brought about the necessity to streamline my business model, cut the administrative costs and comply with the tax authorities. They have already asked us about the interest we pay you. This has led to a very important decision to do away with third party payment processors. I am hereby announcing that we have started moving away from payment processors for withdrawals in favor of direct bank wires. By doing so we are literally killing 2 birds with one stone. First, you avoid the fees processors charge. Second, you comply with the IRS. We will simply specify in every payment what it is for and where is comes from so IRS will have no problem collecting taxes. It has always been my honest belief that we need to pay all the taxes.

I am anxiously looking forward to the Easter week, I am sure you are too. We are working on new offers and plans that will be announced after Easter.

Stay Blessed,
Roman Novak,
Founder
Profitable Sunrise

Wow. Is this to prevent too many questions from being asked?

Originally Posted by Fendaril

Wow. Is this to prevent too many questions from being asked?

So far all it did is cause panic.

Originally Posted by Finix

So far all it did is cause panic.

Originally Posted by Finix

It's a cease and desist order. All he has to do is cease and desist doing business with N.C. residents by March 27.

In the big pic:
NC found a sufficient cause of action to issue the order, the standards are bout the same for the other states & feds. More to come.

NC is just the first. State of NC has been very proactive vs HYIP/MLM since they took a judicial beatdown vs Amway years ago.

Originally Posted by Fat City, LA

In the big pic:
NC found a sufficient cause of action to issue the order, the standards are bout the same for the other states & feds. More to come.

Certainly, but then Roman will have info about the members' location, so he can exclude states (or even countries) with a click of a button to keep up the appearances. I'm assuming he wants to ride this thing for all it's worth. Maybe he doesn't, I don't know.

Originally Posted by Finix

Certainly, but then Roman will have info about the members' location, so he can exclude states (or even countries) with a click of a button to keep up the appearances. I'm assuming he wants to ride this thing for all it's worth. Maybe he doesn't, I don't know.

He does, he credits he success to his massive unexpected growth.

My group is almost at $16,000,000 now. Too bad it's going to shut down before I can withdraw after a 150 day cycle/

Guess you won't be a millionaire after all, eh? That's too bad. Don't feel bad, even Nanci didn't make that much.

Forgive me if this has been posted before but here is a call where Nanci Jo Frazer interviews someone who purports to be Roman Novak. I'm not 100% sure when it was recorded but to those who have interest, please take note of the download link. The first real chuckle is at about the 3:00 mark where Roman says his younger brother, an attorney specializing in international law, has helped eliminate any problems with US regulators by 1: being offshore and 2: keeping all dealings with investors confidential. Yes, he used the 'I' word. He also adds blasphemy to securities fraud by stating that they have had "help from above" to achieve the success that they have, but why should Nanci Jo be the only one to take the Lord's name in vain flogging this scam.

I'll leave it to those better qualified to explain this but a foreign investment is completely free not to abide by any US securities regulation but they have not only to make it perfectly that US citizens are not invited but also take all reasonable steps to ensure that US citizens do not participate in the offering. In this case that would include, at a minimum not accepting any bank transfers from the USA and also to block US IP addresses from joining. Seems to me that if Radislov Novak is an attorney specializing in international law, he would know this. He would also know that Roman being interviewed by an American citizen on a publicly accessible call which will be used to solicit investments from other Americans is sorta the absolute opposite of what they'd need to do to avoid the problems they are just starting to have with US regulators.

And by switching from the payment processors to the ponzies to bank wires for payouts, looks like that whole "confidentiality" plan is out of the window.

Originally Posted by GlimDropper

I'll leave it to those better qualified to explain this but a foreign investment is completely free not to abide by any US securities regulation but they have not only to make it perfectly that US citizens are not invited but also take all reasonable steps to ensure that US citizens do not participate in the offering. In this case that would include, at a minimum not accepting any bank transfers from the USA and also to block US IP addresses from joining.

If they exclude the U.S., it's SOL. They aren't going to find freaky cults like FU ministries anywhere else in the world.

Originally Posted by Finix

If they exclude the U.S., it's SOL. They aren't going to find freaky cults like FU ministries anywhere else in the world.

I know Nanci Jo abbreviates it FUMI but FU Ministries is just such a perfectly accurate way to describe them. I wonder if Nanci Jo has ever read Matthew 21, verses 12 and 13.

Oh, I'm sure she read the whole thing, but reading and practicing what you preach is not the same thing, is it?