Thread: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

Originally Posted by Rumsfield

Profitable Sunrise will be shut down very soon. All of the false propaganda will be to no avail just like it was not with Zeek Rewards. Time is ticking and the firework show is about to begin.

I have Orville Reddinbacker gourmet popcorn and several adult beverages and I will sit back and watch the fireworks! I can hardly wait, LOL.

Originally Posted by ProfHenryHiggins

Wall Street? Is there a Wall Street in Eaqle, Idaho? That's where the only "Ralph Yerkes" I see in the financial industry is, and he looks to be real estate and insurance, not stocks and bonds.

Of course, there could be other Ralph Yerkes' who aren't coming up on an initial check.

Anyone who owns a stock qualifies as a "Wall Street Financier" in the make-believe world of NJF and PS.
His opinion also qualifies as fantasy.

Originally Posted by Rumsfield

.... Profitable Sunrise will be shut down very soon. ....

Those type of HYIP programs rarely getting shutdown, there are no visible traces to admins. Novaks do not even exist.
Money are hell knows where, nothing to cease. Incorporation was done online with an agent. Script was written by some programmer i saw his works in other HYIPs
(will let you know when i can recall it). This HYIP was not even supposed to go that big, say thanks to Pastors for pimping it and making it huge.
Even Admin didn't expect such a success.
The most obvious end will be the stop of payments and admin would not even care to shut down the site.
While people will be wondering for months and waiting when payments will resume as Royalty7.com story

Originally Posted by NikSam

... Script was written by some programmer i saw his works in other HYIPs
(will let you know when i can recall it).

Now remeber it was PrimeXcash.com ran for a year, scammed on Aug 1 2012
Unfortunately it is not online anymore otherwise i would show you proof that code was done by the same person, perhaps it is also same Admin.

For now just take my word on it i am sure 100%.

For now you can just browse it on wayback machine and notice that pages contact us, terms of service are written by the same person as corresponding pages on PS site.
pay attention to how sentences are constructed.
Contact: PrimeXCash.com - Contact us
Terms of service: PrimeXCash.com - Terms Of Service

Initial domain registration for ProfitableSunrise.com on 2011-09-18:


Registrant Contact:
PSR
Radoslav Novak radoslavnovak.brno@gmail.com
13525059949 fax: 14072648929
Uvoz 36
Brno Jihomoravsky 60200
cz



Note address is in Brno, Czech Republic

and fax number is different than now, that fax number was used before by SafeMoneyUnion.com HYIP
URL: SafeMoneyUnion.com Reviews & Complaints

Originally Posted by NikSam

Unfortunately it is not online anymore otherwise i would show you proof that code was done by the same person, perhaps it is also same Admin.
...
that fax number was used before by SafeMoneyUnion.com HYIP

I've never represented anyone charged with fraud as a result of promoting a ponzi. I have, however, on more than one occasion represented boiler room operators. Law enforcement calls them "cockroaches": turn on the lights and they scatter, only to regroup somewhere else.

I'd say that applies in spades to HYIP promoters.

The third parties wouldn't be charged with fraud. If there are criminal charges, they would be charged with conspiracy to commit fraud. There is a way to get promoters who have money, but their flock will be too confused by the endgame to sue.

Originally Posted by NikSam

Now remeber it was PrimeXcash.com ran for a year, scammed on Aug 1 2012
Unfortunately it is not online anymore otherwise i would show you proof that code was done by the same person, perhaps it is also same Admin.

For now just take my word on it i am sure 100%.

For now you can just browse it on wayback machine and notice that pages contact us, terms of service are written by the same person as corresponding pages on PS site.
pay attention to how sentences are constructed.
Contact: PrimeXCash.com - Contact us
Terms of service: PrimeXCash.com - Terms Of Service

This is a very impressive level of research, dare I say empirical evidence. Thank you for taking the time to research and post.

Admins are too lazy to do something completely original. They use HYIP scripts templates, mail drop off points and voice answering services.

If it weren't for people like Nanci who spin those things into believable stories, the online HYIPs wouldn't go beyond HYIP scene.

Originally Posted by Finix

Admins are too lazy to do something completely original. They use HYIP scripts templates, mail drop off points and voice answering services.

And why not, it appears the "investors" or "loaners" were apparently too lazy to find out if PS had recorded any liens on all the loans they claim to be making. That would be the first thing that comes to my mind in terms of due diligence if someone says they are doing hard money loans. At a minimum Nancy Botox Frasier should have had her attorneys do it before bringing in her flock.

Originally Posted by ribshaw

And why not, it appears the "investors" or "loaners" were apparently too lazy to find out if PS had recorded any liens on all the loans they claim to be making. That would be the first thing that comes to my mind in terms of due diligence if someone says they are doing hard money loans. At a minimum Nancy Botox Frasier should have had her attorneys do it before bringing in her flock.

The RS members seem to have illusions about the participants themselves. If they cared about where the money was coming from, they would have bothered to find out. They don't care as long as it's coming. They start caring only when it stops coming.

If the Profitable Sunrise folks are defaulting to the "invitation only" bid to disguise an investment scheme as something else, they should read Paragraph 14 of the Aug. 17 Zeek (Rex Venture Group) complaint by the SEC.

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/compla.../comp22456.pdf

Outtake (italics added): "ZeekRewards is the self-described 'private, invitation-only, affiliate advertising division' of Zeekler."

For whatever reason, some HYIPers seem to believe that "private associations" and "invitation only" programs provide a magical defense to securities-fraud charges. History shows that the various bids at wordplay can become exceptionally tortured. A case in point is ASD knockoff AdViewGlobal, which purported to be a "private association" operating essentially as a U.S. satellite state (on paper) in Uruguay while at once enjoying the Constitutional protections of both the United States and the state of Florida.

The translation appeared to be this: It is legal to sell unregistered securities to U.S. residents, as long as we pipe them in from the legal fiction we created offshore. And if the United States gets the bright idea of accusing us of selling unregistered securities, we're going to explain that they weren't unregistered securities at all -- they were "VIPs" or "page views."

Substitute "loans" for "VIPs" and "page views" and you'll see the tortured explanation of Profitable Sunrise affiliates emerging.

After effectively having renounced the United States by creating a legal fiction, AVG then used U.S.-based Gmail to perform customer service. After that, it announced its bank account had been "suspended." Then, after that, it announced it had found a new offshore facilitator -- and made this announcement on the same day the President of the United States announced a crackdown on offshore fraud.

AVG then bizarrely unannounced its offshore facilitator. Earlier, promoters tried to plant the seed that AVG had been endorsed by Forbes magazine.

Profitable Sunrise "defenders" are tipping toward AVG-like explanations, if the NJF Global Group site is any indication.

PPBlog

Well Dave Ramsey wasn't thrilled that Nanci Jo Frazer was using his video on Compounding on her website. Here's his tweet:

Dave Ramsey Tweet.jpg

Wanna bet she hears from his attorney.

Now this is funny. They opened up the PS thread at MMG, and for 2 pages we had the "I got paid," and "I got paid fast," posts and not a mod in sight. I make one post and Yippee is in the thread. Wanna bet the cry babies didn't like my post so they reported me?

I have a feeling that Yippee is not going to tolerate them crying to her every time I make a post they don't like and why I haven't been banned. A couple of them have already been warned, and that didn't sit well with them because after all I am the "Troll."

Well if they didn't like my last post, wait till they get a read of my next one. This one will really set them off.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

Well if they didn't like my last post, wait till they get a read of my next one. This one will really set them off.

So you come to MMG to deliberately provoke people? This is rich, coming from a person who claims to want to educate the public. They are the public.

Originally Posted by Finix

So you come to MMG to deliberately provoke people? This is rich, coming from a person who claims to want to educate the public. They are the public.

Since you seemed to have missed the point, let me explain it for you. It makes no difference what I post at MMG in the PS thread, the true believer's have a fit. They don't want to hear the truth, see the truth or read the truth. They have been reporting every post I make for weeks now.

My point was if they didn't like my last post that was totally factual, they sure aren't going to like my next post which will be all totally factual. Get it now?

It's not what you say, it's how you say it. You have an attitude, and it shows in your every post.

Originally Posted by Finix

It's not what you say, it's how you say it. You have an attitude, and it shows in your every post.

You get he is a scam buster and he is posting in threads about SCAMS? Of course he has an attitude he wants it shut down.

Originally Posted by Finix

It's not what you say, it's how you say it. You have an attitude, and it shows in your every post.

You are confusing what I say here with what I say there. Two different animals. Here I point out their childish attitude just because they don't like me posting facts. There I post facts, and it doesn't make any difference on how I say it, they still go whining and crying to the mods. They lie about me, they lie about Eagle, and if I said half about them that they say about me I would either get warned or banned. I have no problem with that because I understand those are the rules there, but here I can expose the cry-babies for who and what they are.

How I post there must be working because I get Emails telling me how much people have learned from my posts there, and it is from the people who I want to educate.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

Since you seemed to have missed the point, let me explain it for you. It makes no difference what I post at MMG in the PS thread, the true believer's have a fit. They don't want to hear the truth, see the truth or read the truth. They have been reporting every post I make for weeks now.

My point was if they didn't like my last post that was totally factual, they sure aren't going to like my next post which will be all totally factual. Get it now?

Personally, I think you are obsessed with facts and the truth which is why law enforcement acknowledges your work in busting criminals and scammers. You provide us all a great service. Thanks for leading. I see others in this forum who also sense a need to say something about this Ponzi/HYIP plague. Let's agree to play nicely. Maybe we can DO SOMETHING.

HOWEVER (you knew it was coming) I choose a different path. I prefer to name names, administer abuse and shame, ridicule, mayhem and chaos full bore in the hope that we can force these rats and roaches to go away through the simple fact that sooner or later their names and reputations will be so damaged that their "followers" will stop following. A quick google search will inform even the most gullible that these people are NEVER to be trusted.

Listen, Roman and Rad have massive resources and can run and repatriate to Mother Russia or wherever they want to hide. Use the next set of names and start again. They may never see a court let alone a jail cell. They can actually repatriate PS (MOD: when may I start calling it PISS?) back to the former USSR (where according to Alexa most of their traffic comes from) and they never have to deal with US.

But left behind as easy targets are the "top promoters" who live and work amongst us.
When will NJF and her "Reverends," Chris, Russo, Nigel, Owen, SHLEP-COFF and all the rest just STOP and go away?
Not until people step forward and name some names.
And make THEM a permenent part of the historical archive called the Internet.
Make it so they couldn't sponsor enough people to cover their legal fees. Now that would be Justice.

My partners and I recently created a very nasty site to go after some bad players in another scam.
We are now collecting legal affadvits from the victims and will compile them and hand them over to the media and law enforcement.
It's a start.
But it has already shed light on their tactics and embarrssed them.
Their followers are inundating them with tough questions. All Hell has broken loose and their grip has been broken.
Trust is being broken in the face of the facts and especially the shame.

Just yesterday, a woman told us that based on what we stated, she stopped an elderly friend from investing $10 thousand.
With PS....we have heard the stories of people being coerced into $20K, $30k and more.

This is not "business"
It is personal. Very personal.
What if it was YOUR PARENTS who had been scammed and YOU had to help them recover financially?

Back in the "D" we wouldn't quibble over legal nuance....to deal with it.

But the Internet can empower the truth just as easily as it empowers the scammers.

So post their pictures and tell the truth.

And donate generously to the organisations like Eagle Resources that are working hard to clean up the mess.

Man, that felt good to get it out.

Pardon any typos.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

Since you seemed to have missed the point, let me explain it for you. It makes no difference what I post at MMG in the PS thread, the true believer's have a fit. They don't want to hear the truth, see the truth or read the truth. They have been reporting every post I make for weeks now.

My point was if they didn't like my last post that was totally factual, they sure aren't going to like my next post which will be all totally factual. Get it now?

Hi friends and soon to be friends - and everyone else....

I understand a lot of the frustration with these people who simply will not listen, or believe things, even if they are factual and right in front of their eyes.

My Grandfather taught me something very useful when it comes to arguments [which are things I try to avoid]. WHY? Simple.

His lesson was this: A Man Convinced Against His Will - Is Of The Same Opinion Still..

Which is why sometimes you yourself feel like you need a smack on your forehead to wake yourself up, as you get sick of trying to prevent these fools from bashing their heads against what is just another different colored, but very same hard brick wall.. And why sometimes all you can do is to let them lose, lose, lose & lose again, until they're finally broke. After which some of them will be even more desperate to 'invest' whatever it is they can sell, to actually chase another impossible quick buck.. Again. Maybe it is because they actually believe what they see on their computer screens.

Which is why there is now a website where they read more about what happens when they look at their computer monitors and actually tell others with an excitable joy that:
My Computer Says I Am Rich !!!

How I post there must be working because I get Emails telling me how much people have learned from my posts there, and it is from the people who I want to educate.

And this is what scares the pimps and shills. They dont want people educated. Once people come to their senses it creates another entire group of naysayers and that is not good for the ponzi forums and ponzi promoters. I vividly remember naysayers piling in a thread of a new ponzi and putting the brakes on it right out of the gates. Of course this was bad for the ponzi forum business and several of us got tossed out of those forums. Times are changing slowly but they are changing. I can hardly wait for the final meltdown of PS.

Has anybody been able to show Dave Ramseys tweet over at the mmg ponzi board?

Originally Posted by Eddie Haskell

And this is what scares the pimps and shills. They dont want people educated.

Unfortinately many of the ones who squawk about their desire to educate people are the worst manipulators. You must remember Mrs Vee who was heralded as "The Wonderful Mrs VIP" by Jake Amadee (Jake The Snake.) Look at the Vee's mate Annie "tranlady2008" who claimed that she and Vee were going to deal with "Stormy", "The Site Goddess" becuse the autosurf industry was a self regulating industry and the suggestion that they were elected industry watchdogs.

The person who started this thread was not the first to start asking questions about Profitable Sunrise on RS. It could be a good idea to merge these two threads into one. Thgere are manipulators who pose as educators.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

here I can expose the cry-babies for who and what they are

Yeah, educate, expose, whatever. My point was they are the public you claim to care about, but from your posts you seem to think you are better than them. That's what annoys them, not the fact that you post warnings. They like your warnings, at least the smart ones do, it helps them to make decisions when to withdraw.