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Don't think those small payouts would get me too excited!!

Also, I would not believe those comments in red at this place:

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Myriad Force. Have you disappeared again? I am waiting for you to answer the question Post #64. It's not difficult. Just read the question and let us have the answer..

"PROFITABLE SUNRISE = SUNSET FOR YOUR $


Another High Yield Investment Program (HYIP) which means Ponzi Scheme except that this is a Micro scam that lets suckers join for $10. Of course that is just so they can get you suckered into putting in $1,000’s! It originates out of the UK so you never have a chance of getting your money back (at least Zeek you have some chance). They talk charity but their UK address is out of the equivalent of US “Mailboxes R us. Run, run, run!

Watch list Ponzi schemes, gifting scams, pyramids



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Hi,

My name is XXXXX XXXXX X'd be happy to answer your questions today.

Initially what I see is that, when you search for this company, you get a bunch of results written by the company, telling you how awesome they are. Legitimate companies don't do this, because there's no need. However, this is very common with companies that are not legitimate.

From what I can find, this has all the markings of an illegal pyramid scheme. For one thing, they offer very high, too-good-to-be-true profits. There's a reason for that. For another, it appears that you have to buy in, and the way to really make money is to refer others to the business - that's a pyramid scheme, and it's illegal. Initially, people do sometimes make money from these schemes. However, the pyramid eventually collapses, and only people who bought in at the very beginning get anything out of it. This is exactly what happened with Zeekler Rewards a few months ago. Also, keep in mind that, when a pyramid scheme collapses, the government can reclaim all funds paid out to redistribute them to the victims. So, even if you get paid, the monies you get could be reversed as an illegal transfer (even months or more than a year later), and you wind up in a much worse position than you would be in had you not invested in the first place. Also, the thing with pyramid schemes is, since the way to make money is to refer others, most people who are talking to you about investing are going to claim to have received profits - otherwise, they don't get the money for bringing you into the scheme. They're acting in their own best interests, not yours.

They claim to be located in the UK, but are not registered with the Companie's House, which is the entity that licenses businesses to operate in the United Kingdom. The website has been up since registered on July 31, 2012, so they have not been around very long. The domain registration information shows that the page was initially registered in September 2011, but it's changed several times since then. There have been five significant updates to the domain registration, and three IP address changes - in just over a year. That's all a little suspicious. The registration also says that the site is owned by Inter Reef, LTD. Inter Reef is registered with the Companie's House, but with a Great Britain address and a telephone number in Gainesville, Florida. The address provided is just a P.O. Box, so there's no office located there - and no way to know where the company is actually located.

There is no location information on their website, as if they do not want people to know where they are (a very bad sign), but their fax number has an area code in Orlando, Florida (about 100 miles or so from Gainsville). The only address I could come up with is 590a Kingsbury Road, Birmingham, B24 9ND. A search for that address shows that a number of other companies use that same address, many of them scam companies, which suggests that it's only a drop box or a virtual address, and that this company does not have a physical address there.

All of this suggests that investing with the company would not be a good idea. There are just too many things that don't add up. Please rate my service positively before signing out, as this is the only way that I get credit for the time I spend helping you. I hope that you are 100% satisfied - otherwise, please reply so we can continue the conversation. Good luck.


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WOW, i come across this forum which just started a month or so ago and ProSun has been smoothly operating for over a year for small investors and even longer for larger investors? Where have the skeptics been hiding? Are people really that envious of successful people that they have to start nonsense here. I do not see anyone posting that ProSun has failed to pay them or failed to live up to any expectation these past 14 months. there are several other forums which have been running for over a year with nothing but positive posts and happy investors. Maybe someone on this forum can find a ProSun participant who is unhappy and thinks they were mistreated in any way by ProSun. I have been one of the thousands of very happy investors for the past 12 months and the experience has been 'life changing' and i encourage everyone to get involved with whatever spare money you can grab, you will not be disappointed one bit.

as for the definition of a HYIP from wikipedia- A high-yield investment program (HYIP) is a type of Ponzi scheme, an investment scam that promises unsustainably high return on investment by paying previous investors with the money invested by new investors.

ProSun has proven to be sustainable and it does not use new investments to pay previous investors, so once again ProSun is NOT a HYIP like all of the others mentioned previously on this site and it is definitely NOT a scam, it pays interest to me every day for more than a year.

To date there have been no 'victims' of ProSun - only happy investors, and no amount of negativity on this stupid site or anywhere else will stop the ProSun train from continuing to roll along smoothly.

And for those who may not be aware, the business of "hard money collateral lending" has been around for many years, but with minimums of 100K to participate. I (and my partners) have done very well in these programs for the past 20 years. what ProSun is doing is nothing new at all, the only difference is that this owner is willing to help the little guy since his minimums are so low. ProSun is just one of several of these lenders I am invested with right now and with the major economies around the world showing weakness, the business of 'collateral lending' will flourish for the next few years at a minimum. Most of the past 20 years I only get .5% - 1.25% daily from these companies but when economies are struggling, these programs flourish and the rates increase.

i hope everyone has a healthy start to the new year and please? if you want to be a ProSun hater just bring some evidence of people who have been scammed?

Is this you, jb56?

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Apparently you do not understand that a program doesn't "go scam" as you put it, but is one from the start.

Clearly you are worried you won't get your money back or you would have no needed to be even looking for this messageboard.

Originally Posted by ProfHenryHiggins

Is this you, jb56?

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Apparently you do not understand that a program doesn't "go scam" as you put it, but is one from the start.

It never ceases to amaze me what pimps and shills do to steal just one more dollar.

It's really not hard to identify a HYIP ponzi player/shill when they come on to REALSCAM.com attempting to rationalize and justify their participation in an illegal fraud and wring the very last dollar out of victims.

In the HYIP ponzi world, the word "scam" has a completely different meaning than it does to most readers.

A HYIP ponzi is only declared to be a "scam" to players when it closes prematurely.

That is "prematurely" in the minds of HYIP ponzi players who expect the HYIP du-jour to continue until they, at least, have made their money back and are "in profit"

HYIP ponzi players have a very strange morality when it comes to their chosen "hobby"

Many of them believe there was a (mythical) time when HYIP ponzi owners worked to a code of conduct and only closed their HYIP when deposits no longer matched outgoings and the HYIP owners only kept around 10% of the money plus "expenses"

Of course, such a time never really existed, but, posters like jb56 still cling to the hope that one day, those times will return.

In the meantime, to jb56 and his fellow HYIP ponzi player / shills, Profitable Sunrise has not yet "turned scam"

He's being paid, and, in his tiny mind, that's all that counts.

This is looking eerily similar to P2P Pathway to Prosperity in many ways. This scam could grow to enormous size. Because the admin is communicating closely to the flock it reminds me a lot of Nick Smirnow.

Originally Posted by jb56

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WOW, i come across this forum which just started a month or so ago and ProSun has been smoothly operating for over a year for small investors and even longer for larger investors? Where have the skeptics been hiding? Are people really that envious of successful people that they have to start nonsense here. I do not see anyone posting that ProSun has failed to pay them or failed to live up to any expectation these past 14 months. there are several other forums which have been running for over a year with nothing but positive posts and happy investors. Maybe someone on this forum can find a ProSun participant who is unhappy and thinks they were mistreated in any way by ProSun. I have been one of the thousands of very happy investors for the past 12 months and the experience has been 'life changing' and i encourage everyone to get involved with whatever spare money you can grab, you will not be disappointed one bit.

as for the definition of a HYIP from wikipedia- A high-yield investment program (HYIP) is a type of Ponzi scheme, an investment scam that promises unsustainably high return on investment by paying previous investors with the money invested by new investors.

ProSun has proven to be sustainable and it does not use new investments to pay previous investors, so once again ProSun is NOT a HYIP like all of the others mentioned previously on this site and it is definitely NOT a scam, it pays interest to me every day for more than a year.

To date there have been no 'victims' of ProSun - only happy investors, and no amount of negativity on this stupid site or anywhere else will stop the ProSun train from continuing to roll along smoothly.

And for those who may not be aware, the business of "hard money collateral lending" has been around for many years, but with minimums of 100K to participate. I (and my partners) have done very well in these programs for the past 20 years. what ProSun is doing is nothing new at all, the only difference is that this owner is willing to help the little guy since his minimums are so low. ProSun is just one of several of these lenders I am invested with right now and with the major economies around the world showing weakness, the business of 'collateral lending' will flourish for the next few years at a minimum. Most of the past 20 years I only get .5% - 1.25% daily from these companies but when economies are struggling, these programs flourish and the rates increase.

i hope everyone has a healthy start to the new year and please? if you want to be a ProSun hater just bring some evidence of people who have been scammed?

Perfectly articulated. The lemmings at realscam.com relish in their Cult of Uncertainty, they have ZERO EVIDENCE of scamming, and can only weakly and pathetically try to parallel other scams to it.

Would the detractors of Profitable Sunrise offer up your Empirical Evidence of scamming? You are stuck in a corner; you are desperate;you are losing the battle of wits. Roman Novak stands for Jesus Christ. Think of all the antichrists that are watching this program in terror. They won't become involved because the owner is a Christian that loves Jesus Christ, and does not back down to the antichrists.

Gotta love it.

Originally Posted by Myriad Force

Perfectly articulated. The lemmings at realscam.com relish in their Cult of Uncertainty, they have ZERO EVIDENCE of scamming, and can only weakly and pathetically try to parallel other scams to it.

Would the detractors of Profitable Sunrise offer up your Empirical Evidence of scamming? You are stuck in a corner; you are desperate;you are losing the battle of wits. Roman Novak stands for Jesus Christ. Think of all the antichrists that are watching this program in terror. They won't become involved because the owner is a Christian that loves Jesus Christ, and does not back down to the antichrists.

Gotta love it.

Hey there, you're back. Now will you please answer the question asked of you in Post #64.. Don't forget to read the question properly before you answer.

Originally Posted by Myriad Force

Perfectly articulated. The lemmings at realscam.com relish in their Cult of Uncertainty, they have ZERO EVIDENCE of scamming, and can only weakly and pathetically try to parallel other scams to it.

Would the detractors of Profitable Sunrise offer up your Empirical Evidence of scamming? You are stuck in a corner; you are desperate;you are losing the battle of wits. Roman Novak stands for Jesus Christ. Think of all the antichrists that are watching this program in terror. They won't become involved because the owner is a Christian that loves Jesus Christ, and does not back down to the antichrists.

Gotta love it.

OH-bloody-DEAR

Affinity fraud, her we come

Originally Posted by littleroundman

OH-bloody-DEAR

Affinity fraud, her we come

Cat got your tongue?, or, look what the cat dragged in.

Evidence of scamming...do you have any, yes or no.
Put up or shut up...poop or get off the pot.

Originally Posted by Myriad Force

Cat got your tongue?, or, look what the cat dragged in.

Evidence of scamming...do you have any, yes or no.
Put up or shut up...poop or get off the pot.

No, no, you brought Jesus and religion into this, please carry on the theme.

The thread is yours.

Jesus and HYIP ponzis, what a mix

Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me

Hey there, you're back. Now will you please answer the question asked of you in Post #64.. Don't forget to read the question properly before you answer.

Already answered your question clearly yesterday, it is a matter of you accepting it. You will have to Google the Inter Reef registration number yourself, i don't have it handy.

Originally Posted by Myriad Force

Already answered your question clearly yesterday, it is a matter of you accepting it. You will have to Google the Inter Reef registration number yourself, i don't have it handy.

No you fudged the question.


I asked you to provide evidence that Profitable Sunrise and Inter Reef are licensed with the required financial authorities to trade in the field they claim to trade - i.e. loans, investments and other financial services etc. You have not done so. All you have done is provide the company registration for the Inter Reef company which I already provided to you. As there is no movement nor accounts recorded by this company it can safely be deemed to be a shell company which anyone can set up. I am asking proof of their TRADING registrations and licenses.

(But I suspect you know that and are either unable or unwilling to answer the question)

My local continental deli is "licensed"

Does that qualify it to offer "investments" ???

Originally Posted by littleroundman

My local continental deli is "licensed"

Does that qualify it to offer "investments" ???

only if it has its registration accepted by the FSA or FINRA if it wishes to sell investments. For now I suggest that a liquor license will be fine if they want to carry on selling beer. lol

Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me

No you fudged the question.


I asked you to provide evidence that Profitable Sunrise and Inter Reef are licensed with the required financial authorities to trade in the field they claim to trade - i.e. loans, investments and other financial services etc. You have not done so. All you have done is provide the company registration for the Inter Reef company which I already provided to you. As there is no movement nor accounts recorded by this company it can safely be deemed to be a shell company which anyone can set up. I am asking proof of their TRADING registrations and licenses.

(But I suspect you know that and are either unable or unwilling to answer the question)

I have no proof either way,after typing in Inter Reef, Apple, and Google, to find "trading registrations" I found nothing. It is not a matter of avoiding anything, we are all thinking people here, digging for truth. For the sake of truth, I will contact support at Profitable Sunrise, to see what the response is. You may have not done this, or, have you? Maybe you have more insight in this area of DD, what website do you use?

Originally Posted by littleroundman

No, no, you brought Jesus and religion into this, please carry on the theme.

The thread is yours.

Jesus and HYIP ponzis, what a mix

It is sweet beauty to me how you still provide ZERO EVIDENCE of PS being a Ponzi. ZERO.

Originally Posted by Myriad Force

It is sweet beauty to me how you still provide ZERO EVIDENCE of PS being a Ponzi. ZERO.

Faith Sloan and ken/DrDave/Russo are pimping this.

Originally Posted by Myriad Force

I have no proof either way,after typing in Inter Reef, Apple, and Google, to find "trading registrations" I found nothing. It is not a matter of avoiding anything, we are all thinking people here, digging for truth. For the sake of truth, I will contact support at Profitable Sunrise, to see what the response is. You may have not done this, or, have you? Maybe you have more insight in this area of DD, what website do you use?

We will look forward to the answers from Profitable Sunrise when you receive them. A web search of both company names and the FSA and FIFA registrations reveals nothing more than the setting up of a limited liability company with no share capital which has yet to produce any financials as far as Inter Reef is concerned. Profitable Sunrise yields NO info. I am afraid that until someone can demonstrate that one or either of these two businesses is properly registered and licensed to trade in any financial service, including investments, we can safely say that they are not permitted to do so in either the UK nor the USA. (There is a section on the FSA website which permits the reporting of possible fraudulent/illegal schemes)

Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me

We will look forward to the answers from Profitable Sunrise when you receive them. A web search of both company names and the FSA and FIFA registrations reveals nothing more than the setting up of a limited liability company with no share capital which has yet to produce any financials as far as Inter Reef is concerned. Profitable Sunrise yields NO info. I am afraid that until someone can demonstrate that one or either of these two businesses is properly registered and licensed to trade in any financial service, including investments, we can safely say that they are not permitted to do so in either the UK nor the USA. (There is a section on the FSA website which permits the reporting of possible fraudulent/illegal schemes)

Nice. Since PS is a private company, no share capital would be reported. I have emailed support. Because of the holiday, Roman has stated all emails will be responded to on Jan 2.

As of now, there is no evidence of fraud, only payments and withdrawals on time like clockwork since Nov 2011.

Current conclusion, Profitable Sunrise is rock'en, with thousand of elated investors.

Originally Posted by Myriad Force

Perfectly articulated. The lemmings at realscam.com relish in their Cult of Uncertainty, they have ZERO EVIDENCE of scamming, and can only weakly and pathetically try to parallel other scams to it.

Would the detractors of Profitable Sunrise offer up your Empirical Evidence of scamming? You are stuck in a corner; you are desperate;you are losing the battle of wits. Roman Novak stands for Jesus Christ. Think of all the antichrists that are watching this program in terror. They won't become involved because the owner is a Christian that loves Jesus Christ, and does not back down to the antichrists.

Gotta love it.

[DRIPPING SARCASM]
How blasphemous of you, Pharisee. Your soul will make a delightfully hateful wine in the afterlife, pressed together with a few dozen similarly fanatical essences from sects that don't think the same way you do.[/DRIPPING SARCASM]

Reader Tony has posted some interesting information at the PP Blog in response to a Profitable Sunrise story today that referenced this RealScam.com thread:

Link to Tony's post:

WHACK-A-MOLE: In Aftermath Of Zeek Collapse, ‘ProfitableSunrise’ Emerges

Snippet from Tony's post:

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One site says that for Inter Reef Ltd, “Their founding director was Agnes Jouaneau, aged 45. They have no known group companies.”

“Agnes Jouaneau” is an unusual enough name. The first hit on google is this story from 2010:
New fears NZ 'firms' laundering terror cash | Stuff.co.nz

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There is a reference to Inter Reef, which references the purported Agnes Jouaneau, here:

https://www.duedil.com/company/07772083/inter-reef-ltd

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