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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    This is almost like Zeek Rewards all over again. I am betting the SEC and Secret Service are not far behind just like in Zeek. Only this time they are not "negotiating" with Roman like they did Paul Burks. The next 48-96 hours are going to be really interesting
    Why do I feel like a complete idiot who bit the fish bait?


    If PS burns up, I will forever feel guilty.

    I don't know how to demonstrate sorrow. Can't even withdraw my money until 150 days, which by that time it will be gone.

    If I get the interest back, I will donate it all, or withdraw it and burn the money.

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    I sent some of your latest info to a few facebook friends that are knee deep in this..this is the reply i received from one of them..(quote)I called the NJF Global group about this and the person I spoke to in the office said that Roman has been prepared for this and that he's been through this before and that there is nothing to fear about PS crashing. Thanks for sending the links anyways. They have been very informative. Keep me updated on this.

    How can they be so brainwashed

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishbay View Post
    I sent some of your latest info to a few facebook friends that are knee deep in this..this is the reply i received from one of them..(quote)I called the NJF Global group about this and the person I spoke to in the office said that Roman has been prepared for this and that he's been through this before and that there is nothing to fear about PS crashing. Thanks for sending the links anyways. They have been very informative. Keep me updated on this.

    How can they be so brainwashed
    They aren't brainwashed, they were given a plausible explanation and believed it. We all have free will

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    They have been lied to..seen the evidence of..and still believe..??

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishbay View Post
    They have been lied to..seen the evidence of..and still believe..??
    It seems to happen after every scam. There are always a group of members who cannot believe that they have been conned - they are in total denial. There are also those who have made their money and will say anything to keep their downlines quiet.

    Here is some more evidence - posted on the comments of the Patrick Pretty Blog - this time from New Zealand.

    Alarm bells sound over investment - Personal Finance - NZ Herald News

    and here is the link to Patrick's blog article again as there are several links in the comments of interest.

    URGENT >> BULLETIN >> MOVING: North Carolina Orders ‘Profitable Sunrise’ To Cease And Desist; State Calls It An ‘Immediate And Significant Danger’

    Please note the involvement of the Inter Reef sole Director, Agnes Jouaneau, with a company caught selling arms to Iran. I don't think free will comes into it, if people have been lied to in order to persuade them to join.

    Just innocent fun, eh?

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    What is going to be interesting is to see how soon other states join the bandwagon and issue their Cease and Desist Order, and how long before the SEC and the Secret Service act.

    When the first shoe falls, the second one is not far behind. As I said, the next 48-96 hours is going to be very interesting.
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    Triangle Business Journal

    Marshall urged anyone in North Carolina who has invested with Profitable Sunrise to contact the Secretary of State’s Securities Division at 1-800-688-4507.
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Get ready to see the number of "I got paid" posts in the Profitable Sunrise thread on the MMG HYIP ponzi forum double overnight as the pimps and shills try and bury the news of the Cease and Desist order in a flood of "payment proof" postings
    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    Get ready to see the number of "I got paid" posts in the Profitable Sunrise thread on the MMG HYIP ponzi forum double overnight as the pimps and shills try and bury the news of the Cease and Desist order in a flood of "payment proof" postings
    Ken Russo has already posted at talk gold with a paid post. Its as predictable as the sun coming up in the east.
    If its listed at the Talk Gold ponzi and crime forum its a SCAM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Haskell View Post
    Ken Russo has already posted at talk gold with a paid post. Its as predictable as the sun coming up in the east.

    LOL, Russo/DrDave strikes again. You would like to think that people would catch on to the likes of russo/drdave, faith sloan, blondie, and stroes sooner or later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    This is almost like Zeek Rewards all over again. I am betting the SEC and Secret Service are not far behind just like in Zeek. Only this time they are not "negotiating" with Roman like they did Paul Burks. The next 48-96 hours are going to be really interesting
    Do we know what state PS is physically located in? Some states are, uhm, shall we say, less likely to move in on outfits like PS. On the other hand, the states and feds may have moved in but we haven't heard anything yet. I remember with Zeek we got reports that the feds were moving in because people had apparently gone to the Zeekler physical location and found it shut down and with police guarding it.

    I'd also note that people apparently aren't publicly moving to the exits quite yet or calling for prayer meetings for the benefit of the PS scammers. Additionally, the vultures of ponzi schemes haven't started swooping in to pick off disillusioned members. I saw this in evidence with Zeek and Fortune Hi-Tech Marketing on Twitter, but not yet for PS. Something to keep an eye out for.

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    In the overall scheme of HYIP ponzi fraud, Profitable Sunrise is only medium sized compared to a Zeek or AdSurf Daily "next big thing" HYIP.

    I think it highly unlikely there'll be anything like the after effects we saw with the demise of Zeek.

    Most of the regular HYIP ponzi regulars have moved on already, and, if they haven't, the North Carolina action will ensure they do now.

    Nanci Jo Frazer had the beejesus frightened out of her by the IRS and it was entirely predictable payment problems would surface as soon as that source of credibility and new members dried up.

    Myriad Force is long gone, Fendaril appears to be getting a severe dose of reality and many/most of the pimps and shills are conspicuous by their absence.

    IM(very)HO, unless something very unusual takes place, this will end in a whimper rather than a bang.
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    If Fendaril really feels bad about being taken in by this scam, he shouldn't . It has happened to a lot of people in the past including me. That's how most people learn about these things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finix View Post
    How about compassion or empathy for people who are going to spend decades in prison? None here either. No, it's not enough, we should kill those people instead. Eddie is right, hypocrisy, inc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Finix View Post
    Having said this, I have plenty of empathy for both sides. That's why I neither participate in those sordid games nor try to dictate what should happen to people who run them.
    Why should I feel sympathy for for some evil crooks.These aren't people who are forced into a life of crime due to mitigating circumstances,they are more than capable of eeking out an honest living.They are remorseless predators that took advantage of the weak(stupidity is a weakness, so is greed) the innocent(newbs and naivetes) and the vulnerable(elderly pensioners) .

    You can call me a psycopath(which may actually be true) all you want , but I really do wish for terrible things to happen to these scumbags for the lives they ruined.Heck,I'm willing to some really horrible things to this bastards myself should I have the opportunity(I pray I never had that chance) .Don't expect any mercy from me,I have a hard time mustering enough for those who deserve it.

    I'm sorry for the the off-tangent rant .I guess this is one of my berserk button.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleroundman View Post
    In the overall scheme of HYIP ponzi fraud, Profitable Sunrise is only medium sized compared to a Zeek or AdSurf Daily "next big thing" HYIP.

    I think it highly unlikely there'll be anything like the after effects we saw with the demise of Zeek.

    Most of the regular HYIP ponzi regulars have moved on already, and, if they haven't, the North Carolina action will ensure they do now.

    Nanci Jo Frazer had the beejesus frightened out of her by the IRS and it was entirely predictable payment problems would surface as soon as that source of credibility and new members dried up.

    Myriad Force is long gone, Fendaril appears to be getting a severe dose of reality and many/most of the pimps and shills are conspicuous by their absence.

    IM(very)HO, unless something very unusual takes place, this will end in a whimper rather than a bang.
    I tend to disagree. This will be a big takedown. Because PS is such a blatant purposefull rape of the Christian Community worldwide, this bust may stick harder. This is a powerful news story. Not just "another Ponzi" but a calculated pillage of the Christian Community. It will also be picked up by International Law Enforcement. ZEEK was a US based scam. Roman's crime act is global by its very design. Just an opinion but I smell BIG time international organized crime. Meanwhile, this is one of the finest expose interviews on the topic and full credit to Lynn. Send him a donation. He's earned it!!!They NAIL Nancy Jo Frazer and she deserves it and more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btosH6gwbxk

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    The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finix View Post
    You are too kind. They are just trying to get a piece of the pie in the form of the registration fees.
    What a simple statement.

    Just as the end of many crime bosses in the US starts with tax evasion, end of many hyip bosses starts with securities fraud.

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    You can bank on Ken Russo, Faith Sloan, Nanci Jo Frazer, John Shepcoff, Owen Brewer, Chris Lombardi, Nigel (forgot his last name), Blondie, Stros and a few other major pimps did not have to worry about 140 days or 270 days to get their money out of PS.

    In fact I would not be surprised if Nanci Jo and Roman weren't planning their next Ponzi de Jour right now. Funny how her videos all came down just before this announcement, she changed the means by which you can access her NJFGlobalGroup website, and conveniently is on vacation with her family when this news broke. But then I am sure it is all just a co-incidence.
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    Some reassuring news for you Eagle


    "Don’t panic and wait for Roman Novak to make the next move. Today he paid like clockwork. We don’t feel the effect of any change. We know that these types of cease and desist orders are par for course. It doesn’t mean that ProfitableSunrise is a done deal. Keep things in perspective and let us see how things progress as the days in the month get behind us.

    So stay tuned for further news!

    Faith Sloan – 1 800 670 3202"

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    Originally Posted by kitty2009
    IS THE A REP. FROM PROSUNRISE ON HERE ......

    I AM LOCKED OUT OF MY ACCOUNT.anyone help me on this , i know the logins are correct as they are saved on my laptop but the last 3 days i cant gain entry in to my acc.

    my user name is deanb777
    i too stopped getting access to my account since last thursday and have not gotten any more daily emails like i used too. It seems my email on file was changed. Also, i have other people in my downline with same problem. Support nor roman are responding. They seem to respond to other people with different problems when they feel like it.

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    Deja Vu..... how many times has this been the start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merchant of Truth View Post
    I tend to disagree. This will be a big takedown. Because PS is such a blatant purposefull rape of the Christian Community worldwide, this bust may stick harder. This is a powerful news story. Not just "another Ponzi" but a calculated pillage of the Christian Community. It will also be picked up by International Law Enforcement. ZEEK was a US based scam. Roman's crime act is global by its very design. Just an opinion but I smell BIG time international organized crime. Meanwhile, this is one of the finest expose interviews on the topic and full credit to Lynn. Send him a donation. He's earned it!!!They NAIL Nancy Jo Frazer and she deserves it and more. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btosH6gwbxk
    I enjoyed listening to this radio show....Lots of great info there not just about PS but scams in general.....
    Keep up the great work Lynne
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    I guess drug dealers should be called unlicensed pharmacists according to Finix.
    No...According to finix drug dealers are part of the "Pharmacy Industry"
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    A word about enforcement actions such as that of the NC SoS: they're obviously valuable as a way to get the word out. Even the greedy and gullible who fail to realize that promises of returns of 1-2% per day are conclusive evidence of a ponzi may yet heed the official words of law enforcement. And, given the internet, it doesn't take long for those words to get around.

    Still, something like this does not result in realistic enforcement. Unless the NC SoS has more than appears in her complaint, it will just sit in a court file. These guys apparently have no presence in NC other than online. These guys may have no presence in the US other than online. With a legit company, one can serve through the SoS herself - but, of course, these guys are not registered so as to be serve-able (and probably have no assets here to seize in any event). The only address in the complaint is 590A Kingsbury Road, Birmingham UK. That's a mail drop. (Among the multitude of other companies listed there is one I think particularly apt as a parent for Profitable Sunrise, Narcosis Limited.) It's also listed in the complaint as the "principal residence" of Roman Novak, something not possible. Roman Novak, of course, may not even exist.

    In order to achieve any realistic hope of enforcement, this one will require international effort, which would begin by following the money. My guess is that the trail is already cold. We may see the usual attempts at piggyback scams per ASD and Zeek - "Ripped off by Profitable Sunrise? Pay me to get your money back!" - and then the whole thing will just sink beneath the waves.

    Hope I'm wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nourjan View Post
    You can call me a psycopath(which may actually be true) all you want
    No, I feel sorry for you too. You seem to have too much anger over the things that you can't control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wserra View Post
    A word about enforcement actions such as that of the NC SoS: they're obviously valuable as a way to get the word out. Even the greedy and gullible who fail to realize that promises of returns of 1-2% per day are conclusive evidence of a ponzi may yet heed the official words of law enforcement. And, given the internet, it doesn't take long for those words to get around.

    Still, something like this does not result in realistic enforcement. Unless the NC SoS has more than appears in her complaint, it will just sit in a court file. These guys apparently have no presence in NC other than online. These guys may have no presence in the US other than online. With a legit company, one can serve through the SoS herself - but, of course, these guys are not registered so as to be serve-able (and probably have no assets here to seize in any event). The only address in the complaint is 590A Kingsbury Road, Birmingham UK. That's a mail drop. (Among the multitude of other companies listed there is one I think particularly apt as a parent for Profitable Sunrise, Narcosis Limited.) It's also listed in the complaint as the "principal residence" of Roman Novak, something not possible. Roman Novak, of course, may not even exist.

    In order to achieve any realistic hope of enforcement, this one will require international effort, which would begin by following the money. My guess is that the trail is already cold. We may see the usual attempts at piggyback scams per ASD and Zeek - "Ripped off by Profitable Sunrise? Pay me to get your money back!" - and then the whole thing will just sink beneath the waves.

    Hope I'm wrong.
    So do we all. This a very pessimistic view, although it seems to be based on bitter past experience.

    There is one positive side. This case is receiving a lot of publicity internationally. By choosing Britain for the registration of Inter Reef Ltd, Profitable Sunrise have also gotten themselves in a country with equally tough laws on the sale of unregistered securities and other financial services. The New Zealand article which goes as far to trace a link with the Director of Inter Reef Ltd and illegal arms deals should serve as a wake up call to anyone who still thinks that the HYIP subculture (or should I call it an "Industry") is just a fun game for those cynics "in the know" to play around with. The fact that so many founders of the schemes do end up unpunished and run with the money is also a clear signal that they are not dumb either. This following on from Zeek Rewards is has a far higher public profile than the previous middle size HYIPs, ergo the public are beginning to receive an education that was not previously available to them. In that sense Bernard Maddoff has done us all a favor. Before he was turned in, most of the investing public did not know what a ponzi even was and that includes some of the newer participants in the money games. Now it forms part of the vocabulary of anyone interested in investments and money games.

    The obvious solution to the HYIP problem would be if the enablers have their wings clipped. A few prosecutions of the habitual big promoters of HYIPs and a major clamp down on the payment processors who deal with the US would be a start

    Hopefully at least the next big thing will attract a few less followers than the last one as the public becomes more aware of what they are being pimped.

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