Thread: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

I think she was so overcome with emotion she could not express herself with such a heavy heart.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

I think she was so overcome with emotion she could not express herself with such a heavy heart.

After knowing her for like 7-8 years I can guarantee you that finix has no emotions and no heart.....

Originally Posted by okosh

After knowing her for like 7-8 years I can guarantee you that finix has no emotions and no heart.....

Well isn't everyone but the people on RS evil people with no heart? Nobody on RS can do any wrong.

It originally said that I was too lazy to quote, but then I fixed the posts for baylee to understand the point about China. No big deal, or only Eagle can edit?

Here, I'll fix it again.

Originally Posted by baylee

I think China has it correct.

You can have the same in the U.S. if you want them. It won't stop fraud, though. It will push it further underground but it will still continue. Unless you want to kill all the participants as well. Then it might stop.

Originally Posted by Fendaril

Well isn't everyone but the people on RS evil people with no heart?

From what they are saying, a large portion of RS members used to participate in online money games themselves. It's just too funny they seem to have no compassion or empathy for winners, only for losers. Win or lose, you are the same type of person, nothing changes.

How about compassion or empathy for people who are going to spend decades in prison? None here either. No, it's not enough, we should kill those people instead. Eddie is right, hypocrisy, inc.

On February 27, 2013, the Securities Division of the North Carolina Department of the Secretary of State issued a Temporary Order to Cease and Desist to Roman Novak, Radoslav Novak, and Inter Reef LTD d/b/a Profitable Sunrise. Roman Novak, Radoslav Novak, and Inter Reef LTD d/b/a Profitable Sunrise were ordered to cease and desist from offering for sale, soliciting offers to purchase or selling, in or from North Carolina, any securities unless and until such securities have been registered and Roman Novak, Radoslav Novak, and Inter Reef LTD d/b/a Profitable Sunrise become registered as dealers or salesmen of securities. The Temporary Order to Cease and Desist found that Roman Novak, Radoslav Novak, and Inter Reef LTD d/b/a Profitable Sunrise offered investment contracts in the form of investment plans, made available through their website Welcome to Profitable Sunrise!, in violation of the North Carolina Securities Act. The Temporary Order to Cease and Desist gives Respondents 30 days in which to request a hearing. If no such request is made during that time, the Temporary Order to Cease and Desist shall become final. To read the Temporary Order, go to North Carolina Secretary of State.

Originally Posted by Finix

How about compassion or empathy for people who are going to spend decades in prison?

ANYONE who lives in the USA and runs any of these programs under their real name is a moron and deserves to spend decades in prison....Or in a mental home....

Originally Posted by Fendaril

Nobody on RS can do any wrong.

Yep we are all saints here at RS....If any of us were Catholic we could be the next pope.....

Originally Posted by okosh

ANYONE who lives in the USA and runs any of these programs under their real name is a moron and deserves to spend decades in prison

Anyone who puts their retirement plan in HYIPs is also a moron, but you don't seem to be happy when they get what they deserve - a lesson from someone playing god.

I thinks both sides of the fence deserve each other.

Having said this, I have plenty of empathy for both sides. That's why I neither participate in those sordid games nor try to dictate what should happen to people who run them.

Originally Posted by Finix

Having said this, I have plenty of empathy for both sides. That's why I neither participate in those sordid games nor try to dictate what should happen to people who run them.

What do you make of this.. FACEBOOK..
Others

Sibendu Kumar
I got this mail..whether this mail is from PS or its a spam.??


Good Day,

We suffered a data breach today in our server. As a security measure to
ensure your payments are only sent to you, we are asking you to confirm
your e-currency account so we know you are

the owner and no one else. Please use the link below to verify your
Profitable Sunrise account. The system is automated, so all that needs to
be done is to send a 0.01 amount and the system

will verify your account. This is to make it an efficient process so we do
not have to do one by one verification.

Verify your Profitable Sunrise Account:
Liberty Reserve*-*largest payment processor and money transfer system. Liberty Reserve serves millions since 2002 - Shopping Cart Interface


Have a Blessed Day,

Roman Novak,
Founder

Originally Posted by NC Securities Division

On February 27, 2013, the Securities Division of the North Carolina Department of the Secretary of State issued a Temporary Order to Cease and Desist to Roman Novak, Radoslav Novak, and Inter Reef LTD d/b/a Profitable Sunrise. Roman Novak, Radoslav Novak, and Inter Reef LTD d/b/a Profitable Sunrise were ordered to cease and desist from offering for sale, soliciting offers to purchase or selling, in or from North Carolina, any securities unless and until such securities have been registered and Roman Novak, Radoslav Novak, and Inter Reef LTD d/b/a Profitable Sunrise become registered as dealers or salesmen of securities. The Temporary Order to Cease and Desist found that Roman Novak, Radoslav Novak, and Inter Reef LTD d/b/a Profitable Sunrise offered investment contracts in the form of investment plans, made available through their website Welcome to Profitable Sunrise!, in violation of the North Carolina Securities Act. The Temporary Order to Cease and Desist gives Respondents 30 days in which to request a hearing. If no such request is made during that time, the Temporary Order to Cease and Desist shall become final. To read the Temporary Order, go to North Carolina Secretary of State.

Thank you for posting the link NC. A copy of the complaint can be found here. Between this and the CID filed last summer against Zeek Rewards North Carolina's Secretary of States office is doing more than most of their peers to protect their citizens from online fraud. My thanks to them.

Originally Posted by Fendaril

I am curious if it is possible for a loan shark to pay people interest to give him money to loan, and make a profit on people he loans to.

Fendaril, this got me thinking last night, there are peer to peer lending sites where you loan money to others and the website takes a cut and gives you the profit. All of the major business magazines have written about the larger ones so it would be a good place to start. You are not going to turn $80 into a million in a lifetime, much less two years as the rates are more on the order of 10% PER YEAR. But start now and compound your earnings and in 20 years you will be living well. (I don't participate, and there are default risks, taxes due, etc., so take it for what it is, free advice on the web)

Now, as this relates to PS and loan sharks, World wide we are in a near 0 interest rate environment for those with perfect credit. Roman is claiming his loans are both secured by assets and insured. (This would imply almost no credit risk) There is just no way someone would pay more than 10-20% annual for a bridge loan under such conditions. If one were to put up a $500k property for a $400K loan they are already giving 100K in collateral, why pay more? And if someone on the internet borrowing $50 to pay an electric bill at 10% per year, Roman's story becomes harder to believe.

As for loan sharks the rates are higher, but they are lending against gambling debts, drug deals, and once in a while real business loans. I would venture to say on the high end, $12,500,000 loans as claimed by PS would be very difficult for a loan shark to do as the money involved would throw up too many red flags. And if they had the clout to clean the money, they could move straight to money laundering and save the hassle of breaking kneecaps.

Originally Posted by GlimDropper

protect their citizens from online fraud

You are too kind. They are just trying to get a piece of the pie in the form of the registration fees.

On February 27, 2013, the Securities Division of the North Carolina Department of the Secretary of State issued a Temporary Order to Cease and Desist to Roman Novak, Radoslav Novak, and Inter Reef LTD d/b/a Profitable Sunrise. Roman Novak, Radoslav Novak, and Inter Reef LTD d/b/a Profitable Sunrise were ordered to cease and desist from offering for sale, soliciting offers to purchase or selling, in or from North Carolina, any securities unless and until such securities have been registered and Roman Novak, Radoslav Novak, and Inter Reef LTD d/b/a Profitable Sunrise become registered as dealers or salesmen of securities.

Originally Posted by okosh

ANYONE who lives in the USA and runs any of these programs under their real name is a moron and deserves to spend decades in prison....Or in a mental home....

I used to ask myself "what were they thinking"

Then I realized, they WEREN'T thinking at all.

If the admins of PS are thinking, they could think along the lines of using the notice to explain the delays in payments on the Long Haul plans. The HYIPers hate the government, it will sit well with them.

Originally Posted by Finix

If the admins of PS are thinking,

Admin used his real name....Means he is not capable of thinking.....

Originally Posted by Finix

You are too kind. They are just trying to get a piece of the pie in the form of the registration fees.

I'm sorry but you missed the mark here, registering a security is more than a simple matter of paying a fee. If that's all there was to it many if not all upscale US based ponzies would wallpaper their websites with official certificates attesting to their legitimacy. There are disclosures, background checks and the finicky little issue of being able to demonstrate a valid (legal) business model to deal with. The system isn't perfect (Madeoff) but there are many good reasons that HYIP/ponzi owners don't step foot into a State's Division of Securities office voluntarily.

Originally Posted by Finix

If the admins of PS are thinking, they could think along the lines of using the notice to explain the delays in payments on the Long Haul plans. The HYIPers hate the government, it will sit well with them.

But this one hit's a bull's eye. If I were Roman I'd be moving the money out of the Czech Republic and meet up with it somewhere with warm beaches and no banking or extradition treaties.


[On edit: Do we have any Czech speakers here abouts? The money sent to PS was moved through a bank account credited to a Melland Company S.R.O. which may or may not be registered to an Alexander Smirnov. But Google's translation function isn't a good match for the language barrier. I'm sure they're using cutouts and "virtual" locations which are easy to recognize if, for example you knew the name of the Czech version of a "USP Store."

More coverage over on Patrick's blog:

URGENT >> BULLETIN >> MOVING: North Carolina Orders ‘Profitable Sunrise’ To Cease And Desist; State Calls It An ‘Immediate And Significant Danger’

Originally Posted by fishbay

What do you make of this.. FACEBOOK..
Others

Sibendu Kumar
I got this mail..whether this mail is from PS or its a spam.??


Good Day,

We suffered a data breach today in our server. As a security measure to
ensure your payments are only sent to you, we are asking you to confirm
your e-currency account so we know you are

the owner and no one else. Please use the link below to verify your
Profitable Sunrise account. The system is automated, so all that needs to
be done is to send a 0.01 amount and the system

will verify your account. This is to make it an efficient process so we do
not have to do one by one verification.

Verify your Profitable Sunrise Account:
Liberty Reserve*-*largest payment processor and money transfer system. Liberty Reserve serves millions since 2002 - Shopping Cart Interface


Have a Blessed Day,

Roman Novak,
Founder

Welcome to RealScam Fishbay.

I broke the link in your post because I'm pretty sure it was a straight up phishing attempt. It pretended to take you to the Liberty Reserve website but took you to "libertyrestrve dot com" instead. There's more than one way to become a victim from playing HYIP games.

Originally Posted by fishbay

What do you make of this.. FACEBOOK..
Others

Sibendu Kumar
I got this mail..whether this mail is from PS or its a spam.??


Good Day,

We suffered a data breach today in our server. As a security measure to
ensure your payments are only sent to you, we are asking you to confirm
your e-currency account so we know you are

the owner and no one else. Please use the link below to verify your
Profitable Sunrise account. The system is automated, so all that needs to
be done is to send a 0.01 amount and the system

will verify your account. This is to make it an efficient process so we do
not have to do one by one verification.

Verify your Profitable Sunrise Account:
Liberty Reserve*-*largest payment processor and money transfer system. Liberty Reserve serves millions since 2002 - Shopping Cart Interface


Have a Blessed Day,

Roman Novak,
Founder

This is a phishing E-mail and FB post. They want access to your account, and will clean you out if you fall for it. WARN others not to fall for it.

This is almost like Zeek Rewards all over again. I am betting the SEC and Secret Service are not far behind just like in Zeek. Only this time they are not "negotiating" with Roman like they did Paul Burks. The next 48-96 hours are going to be really interesting

I guess drug dealers should be called unlicensed pharmacists according to Finix.