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    Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

    Quick correction, as you had your turn yesterday.

    Quote Originally Posted by Finix View Post
    Welcome to the real world of internet fraud:P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me View Post
    I fell hook line and sinker for all the BS and became a happy cheerleader and supporter of a founder who I trusted and believed to be a super honest businessman.
    How much did it piss you off to find out who he really was? When I first looked at HYIPs, I thought they were ran by people who couldn't make it in real life. From what I've seen from the ones that were shut down, it seems a fair assumption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me View Post
    Quick correction, as you had your turn yesterday.
    No, welcome to the real world where fraud is a part of life. Always has been, always will be. Until being scammed by ASD you lived in a sanitized and sheltered part of the world. Now you know what it really looks like.

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    Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nourjan View Post
    Unlike the scammers however, none of these "naysayers"(I think the term "truthsayers"is more .... appropriate) are doing it to make money.
    Not true. PPBlog asks for donations, scam.com makes money from running ads, etc. You won't make a fortune from ranting, but you can live pretty comfortably from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by path2prosperity View Post
    Finix is loosing or has lost all credibility now.
    With you? I don't need it, you can have it if you want. Finix was an online persona that served its purpose of helping me to learn. Now I know what I needed to know.

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    Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

    From MMG:
    Good Day,
    We confirm that we have completed your request for withdrawal of funds from your account.
    The amount you requested is USD2,000.00, payment method is SolidTrust Pay, transaction batch number is 274369844
    :y:
    Paid within 20 mins. Thank you Roman.
    Maybe God really is on the side of HYIPs.

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    Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

    The "bridge loan" caper of Nicholas Cosmo and Agape World is back in the news today.

    Federal District Court in New York Enters Order of Permanent Injunction against Defendants Agape World, Inc. and Agape Merchant Advance LLC, Charged with Defrauding Customers in Commodity Futures Trading Scheme

    Cosmo already is in federal prison through January 2031, but certain civil actions remain in the courts.

    PPBlog

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    Quote Originally Posted by PPBlog View Post
    Cosmo already is in federal prison through January 2031
    Then we know he isn't Roman unless the Feds gave him access to the computer and instructed him to run PS.

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    Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

    Well, we have a feeble attempt to explain why Nanci Jo had to take down her videos. It seems some guy "stole" her YouTube videos and put them up on his website. Now if someone put her YouTube videos up on their website, they are still her videos. It is still her promoting PS. But then that explanation has another problem. You see she removed the video from her website too. Now that was not "stolen" by this guy. But there is also another problem. One of the other major pimps of PS, John Shepcoff, seems to have also removed his videos where he was promoting his weekly interest earnings. And those videos were not "stolen" by this guy and put on his website. Now John does have other videos promoting PS still working, so it makes one wonder why just his interest earnings videos have gone MIA, and if his others will too go MIA.

    You can bet this is about to go bye-bye.
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    That Cosmo had an interesting life. Nicholas Cosmo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    25 years in federal prison is steep. You have to have a really high tolerance for risks to be in this business.

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    Overheard a phone conversation between two PS participants and one said they were told in a conference call three days ago to remove any youtube videos or facebook posts pertaining to the program and anyone caught advertising or talking about it would have their account shut down. The participant I know has no idea this is a ponzi, fwiw. Ignorance is bliss...

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    Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by Finix View Post
    No, I'm offering a different perspective on the industry. You look at it from the perspective of criminal justice. I look at it as a collection of parts that work together so that I can program the simulation.
    LOL...You really did bump your head
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me View Post
    Business people on TG, MMG and dont forget ASA???? Games players PULEEZE!! (that's american for "give me a break!)
    I posted on TG, so did LRM, Eagle "okosh" and a few others here. Please don't assume that it was a den of thieves!

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    Quote Originally Posted by path2prosperity View Post
    I posted on TG, so did LRM, Eagle "okosh" and a few others here. Please don't assume that it was a den of thieves!
    Except for the naysayers, it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me View Post
    Except for the naysayers, it is.
    Same on every board. Where are Adlandpro naysayers?

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    TG and MMG are convenient 'cuz they have all current high risk opps in one place. Then there is warrior forum, digital point, etc. There are also carder forums, hacking forums, anything your heart desires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by path2prosperity View Post
    Same on every board. Where are Adlandpro naysayers?
    Wrong thread - this is about Profitable Sunshine. But anyway, you know. They dont get to post as the threads are "owned" and moderated by the people who promote the scams not by admins, unlike the other forums and the boss man doesnt allow anti scam warning threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velocitas_eradico View Post
    Overheard a phone conversation between two PS participants and one said they were told in a conference call three days ago to remove any youtube videos or facebook posts pertaining to the program and anyone caught advertising or talking about it would have their account shut down. The participant I know has no idea this is a ponzi, fwiw. Ignorance is bliss...
    Bliss until the whole thing goes bang (is stopped by law enforcement) or goes whimper (implodes or the owner runs off the money) and they lose their shirts and their reputations.

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    Y'all made me curious to actually take a look at PS site. It's not so bad, and the bible quotes are appropriately chosen. ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’

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    Welcome to Profitable Sunrise!

    What differs us from a regular bank or a financial institution is that we have gone great lengths to get rid of the red tape and lengthy verification procedures. We reserve up to 3 business days to review and approve or decline any loan application. The minimum amount one can request is $50,000.00 with the maximum of $12,500,000.00. Requests for amounts of $500,000 and above are negotiated individually and a meeting in person is mandatory.

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    This means the income (if it were real) would come from loansharking. Which in turn means there are no poor unsuspecting souls to cry over at the end of this thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me View Post
    Fair question and it deserves an honest answer - although I can only speak for my own motives - others have their own reasons, but as far as I am aware, they are generally driven by a motivation to educate and help people or to nail the crooks.

    Once upon a time I joined an autosurf thinking it was an advertising company. I fell hook line and sinker for all the BS and became a happy cheerleader and supporter of a founder who I trusted and believed to be a super honest businessman. Like a good little believer, I left the money accumulating on a web page. The program exploded, went off line, flew high above the radar and started up rallies that seemed like revival meetings. Had reservations about that last development but thought, oh well that's America for you, it's the way they seem to do things there. Needless to say I DID NOT DO THE MATH!

    When the Secret Service raided the aforesaid autosurf and documentation was published, I discovered that there existed a sordid subculture of internet business which was no more than illegal money games that was set up by a small but growing group of unscrupulous people, promoted by unscrupulous people to prey on the unsuspecting and uninformed. Coming from the world of legitimate business, UNTIL THAT POINT I DIDNT EVEN KNOW IT EXISTED! This subculture is what Finix calls "the Industry", but is basically fraud moved over to the internet where it is even easier than to defraud face to face. Taking advantage of the fact that the great majority of people who use the internet use it for legitimate purposes and that it is still a relatively new culture for many, these people cook up relatively complex schemes and present them to people who live in a world where fraud and theft do not touch their lives, outside the news on TV, and are not on the look out for internet tricks and dishonesty any more than they are offline (where they at least know the rules)

    Folowing that period, I came into contact with people, elderly people, disabled people and many others who had fallen for the sweet talk of their "upline", who were often desperate to find a way to make a living using the internet who had been "sold" the scheme as a way of making a safe investment and had put in money they could not afford to lose BECAUSE of the assurances of these promoters. Many of them had lost their savings, they were at risk of losing their homes, retirement funds and college funds were depleted and marriages and family relationships had broken down when the scheme had blown up in their faces. Through this I realised that the people who ran and promoted these knew exactly what they were doing and made large sums and those who they needed to keep their money games going actually suffered.

    Having learnt a lot, it seemed time to "pay it forward" and pass on the knowledge to help others fall into the same trap and wake up and smell the roses.

    With time, and more information it was then easy to see that the enablers - the forums, the payment processors etc - also formed a part in maintaining this subculture alive and that there were wider implications. The money coming in and out of these schemes could come from anywhere, it could be money laundering from criminal activity or even terrorism and in some cases (that of Virtual Money is a case in point) have been proved to be involved. It is a billion dollar crime wave when all it totalled up.

    The name of the scam in this case was a large one, ASD, but it could have been Zeek, P2P, Banners Broker, PS or any of the other HYIPs that were running around the web. The harm done is the same and it is done knowingly and without piety bv those who found and support the HYIP subculture.

    Hope that answers your question.
    It seems my judgements of you were wrong. Your post made my eyes water a bit. It made me feel guilty for even calling you a naysayer.

    God bless you truly for your noble efforts, you deserve good things to happen for your empathy.

    Empathy is a wonderful trait that I am still trying to master, and I want to feel how you feel when you see people lose everything, and not even know them in person. That is amazing and must be etheric for you.

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    Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fendaril View Post
    Empathy is a wonderful trait that I am still trying to master
    It's actually pretty easy to do. Imagine yourself in the same situation as another person, explore your feelings and you'll get it just fine. Some people are harder to understand than others, but if you keep practicing, you can understand anyone you want.

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    Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

    I am curious if it is possible for a loan shark to pay people interest to give him money to loan, and make a profit on people he loans to.

    If that is the case, it is possible for PS to be very much sustainable.

    Lets assume there are people who pay 35% interest daily mon-fri.

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    Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

    The model itself is possible if it's very carefully calculated and consistently adjusted based on actual results. It's very unlikely PS is doing the loans in the amounts sufficient to cover its obligations.

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