Thread: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

Originally Posted by Finix

You are confusing online and offline again. People like Madoff are causing those things. With the full knowledge of agencies that claim to be in place to protect people. PS is not causing any of this.

Yawn. At the risk of repeating myself, try CEP, 12 Daily Pro, Zeek Rewards, P2P, EMG, AVG, the one they sold to deaf people, and a long list of etceteras, including ALL the schemes that have been prosecuted- Wake up and smell the roses!

Originally Posted by wserra

One post from Lil Ol' Radical Me and one from, well, plain ol' me bring forth ten posts from Finix. Anyone else have a mental picture of Finix hunched over the keyboard, snorting, eyes wide, hair on fire, pounding the keys and yelling "And furthermore! And furthermore! And furthermore!"

Trolling - it's an industry, I tell ya.

Did I get to 10 replies yet? If it wasn't so sad to see someone who is so seduced by the whole rotten HYIP mess, I would be having fun. (Well maybe I am anyway. lol)

Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me

Yawn. At the risk of repeating myself, try CEP, 12 Daily Pro, Zeek Rewards, P2P, EMG, AVG, the one they sold to deaf people, and a long list of etceteras, including ALL the schemes that have been prosecuted- Wake up and smell the roses!

None of those caused any damage to national economies either. They caused damage to a few people who wanted something for nothing, but it happens all the time in all areas of life.

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

Me too. I did use ponzi boards like TalkGold, MMG, The Safelist and Adlandpro when it was possible to meet fellow business people but those days are long gone.

Business people on TG, MMG and dont forget ASA???? Games players PULEEZE!! (that's american for "give me a break!)

Originally Posted by Finix

All jokes aside, if I heard a pastor pimping an investment scheme, I'd run away from that church. It's a clear indication the pastor is on the side of the devil.

If you haven't heard of this, you must be paying VERY LITTLE ATTENTION to the stuff on the internet. Roman is not the first fraudster who uses God to pimp his scheme.

Originally Posted by Finix

None of those caused any damage to national economies either. They caused damage to a few people who wanted something for nothing, but it happens all the time in all areas of life.

As has already been pointed out to you, you clearly have done very little research into the economic impact of these schemes - on or offline - because you are WAY OFF in your assessment by several billions.

Bingo - I passed the 10. Nite Finix - I'll leave you to do some real research into the consequences of online HYIP fraud. It wont take you long - it's all there on the internet.

Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me

If you haven't heard of this, you must be paying VERY LITTLE ATTENTION to the stuff on the internet. Roman is not the first fraudster who uses God to pimp his scheme.

The pastor was from your offline example. Not talking about Roman, he is just an internet character. Anyone can claim anything they like on the internet.

Even if they did cause damage, it changes nothing in the actual money flow. Neither does the amount. Try to stop it all you like, it will continue to flow in this direction. There is no force in the world that can stop people from willingly parting with their money.

Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me

I'll leave you to do some real research into the consequences of online HYIP fraud.

I have no interest in this aspect whatsoever. I'll leave this stuff to you and keep working on learning about the industry parts.

Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me

As has already been pointed out to you, you clearly have done very little research into the economic impact of these schemes - on or offline - because you are WAY OFF in your assessment by several billions.

Why do you spend so much time exposing ponzi schemes and calling out shills?

Originally Posted by Finix

Very few people are truly evil, period. If you listen to RS members, everyone who'd every gambled a penny in money games is an arch-criminal with connections to the underworld.

Rubbish. A lot of us played autosurfs or other types of betting before joining forums where people spoke out against the ones where members were encouraged to invest big bucks on what the owners called INVESTMENTS. TalkGold had a pool of naysayers who named and shamed the scum owners like Bob Krimm, Nickers Smirnow and DrMara.

Once scum like those mentioned above along with the Adlandpro con artists like Jill Bachman and Maurice Bernier entered the arena, it became obvious that it was no longer a game and time to quit.

Originally Posted by Fendaril

Why do you spend so much time exposing ponzi schemes and calling out shills?

Different reason for different people, I suppose. Unlike the scammers however, none of these "naysayers"(I think the term "truthsayers"is more .... appropriate) are doing it to make money.

Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me

Business people on TG, MMG and dont forget ASA???? Games players PULEEZE!! (that's american for "give me a break!)

Yes I posted on those forums. I met more people who tried to run businesses or played autosurfs there than on Adlandpro. We were both posters on Adlandpro and we both run legal businesses. Finix talked more sense on TG than Jill Bachman ever did on Adlandpro. All these forums taught us to find people with whom we could relate. You and I learned a lot from ponzi promoting boards.

Finix is loosing or has lost all credibility now. Bachman news? You followed her more closely than I did. At least Finix does not claim to understand quantum mechanics or zero point enegy like the Bachman and Carol Salisbury duo from Adlandpro. An Adlandpro member started this thread. MOTIVES UNKNOWN.

Message from Beyond The Grave?

Now this is interesting. Some of Nanci Jo Frazer's videos have now been removed by the owner. Does this mean that God is no longer blessing PS? You know with her being a pastor and all. Also her websites seem to have also had a text conversion of late. Now you don't suppose the IRS came a call'in and asked some embarrassing questions especially after Gregg and I filed a complaint with them do you?

Originally Posted by Finix

Let me put this thang back on track for ya. Is PS a ponzi? No one knows for a fact until they see the records. Is it likely to be a ponzi? Yep. Why? Because the chance of it to be anything else is almost zero.

Finix did you bump your head or you just trolling again??....

Originally Posted by wserra

One post from Lil Ol' Radical Me and one from, well, plain ol' me bring forth ten posts from Finix. Anyone else have a mental picture of Finix hunched over the keyboard, snorting, eyes wide, hair on fire, pounding the keys and yelling "And furthermore! And furthermore! And furthermore!"

Trolling - it's an industry, I tell ya.

I have a real pic

Originally Posted by Finix

Here is a little something for y'all to chew on. TG is a part of VFS. VFS is ran by a former ShadowCrew member. Let the conspiracy theories fly wild.

And TG and MMG are same owners....So what's your point??...

Originally Posted by okosh

Finix did you bump your head or you just trolling again??....

No, I'm offering a different perspective on the industry. You look at it from the perspective of criminal justice. I look at it as a collection of parts that work together so that I can program the simulation.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

Now this is interesting. Some of Nanci Jo Frazer's videos have now been removed by the owner. Does this mean that God is no longer blessing PS? You know with her being a pastor and all. Also her websites seem to have also had a text conversion of late. Now you don't suppose the IRS came a call'in and asked some embarrassing questions especially after Gregg and I filed a complaint with them do you?

Removed from Youtube? I noticed PS members have been posting comments on promotional youtube videos, stating they shouldn't be public, apparently it's against the rules. It is interesting that these videos have only been appearing in the last couple of months, perhaps people are running out of family & friends to recruit?

Originally Posted by okosh

And TG and MMG are same owners....So what's your point??...

Since Eagle claims HYIPs are a part of organized crime, this should convince him they are a part of the mob.

Originally Posted by Fendaril

Why do you spend so much time exposing ponzi schemes and calling out shills?

They think they can stop people from participating. Their dream is HYIPfree cyberspace. Good luck to them, but it's not going to happen.

[QUOTE=EagleOne;46959][B][COLOR="#0000CD"]When Roman runs with the money and he will unless the feds shut him down first, I would love for you to sit in my office and answer the phone when one of these major Ponzi's goes down. Then tell me they are just innocent money games.

I found this wording interesting. It's on Freshearnings.com, Mr/Ms. Koyama is the busiest Technical Expert in the industry. - Currently dealing with clients who are 'true believers'. The avalanche will be huge.
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Originally Posted by Fendaril

Why do you spend so much time exposing ponzi schemes and calling out shills?

Fair question and it deserves an honest answer - although I can only speak for my own motives - others have their own reasons, but as far as I am aware, they are generally driven by a motivation to educate and help people or to nail the crooks.

Once upon a time I joined an autosurf thinking it was an advertising company. I fell hook line and sinker for all the BS and became a happy cheerleader and supporter of a founder who I trusted and believed to be a super honest businessman. Like a good little believer, I left the money accumulating on a web page. The program exploded, went off line, flew high above the radar and started up rallies that seemed like revival meetings. Had reservations about that last development but thought, oh well that's America for you, it's the way they seem to do things there. Needless to say I DID NOT DO THE MATH!

When the Secret Service raided the aforesaid autosurf and documentation was published, I discovered that there existed a sordid subculture of internet business which was no more than illegal money games that was set up by a small but growing group of unscrupulous people, promoted by unscrupulous people to prey on the unsuspecting and uninformed. Coming from the world of legitimate business, UNTIL THAT POINT I DIDNT EVEN KNOW IT EXISTED! This subculture is what Finix calls "the Industry", but is basically fraud moved over to the internet where it is even easier than to defraud face to face. Taking advantage of the fact that the great majority of people who use the internet use it for legitimate purposes and that it is still a relatively new culture for many, these people cook up relatively complex schemes and present them to people who live in a world where fraud and theft do not touch their lives, outside the news on TV, and are not on the look out for internet tricks and dishonesty any more than they are offline (where they at least know the rules)

Folowing that period, I came into contact with people, elderly people, disabled people and many others who had fallen for the sweet talk of their "upline", who were often desperate to find a way to make a living using the internet who had been "sold" the scheme as a way of making a safe investment and had put in money they could not afford to lose BECAUSE of the assurances of these promoters. Many of them had lost their savings, they were at risk of losing their homes, retirement funds and college funds were depleted and marriages and family relationships had broken down when the scheme had blown up in their faces. Through this I realised that the people who ran and promoted these knew exactly what they were doing and made large sums and those who they needed to keep their money games going actually suffered.

Having learnt a lot, it seemed time to "pay it forward" and pass on the knowledge to help others fall into the same trap and wake up and smell the roses.

With time, and more information it was then easy to see that the enablers - the forums, the payment processors etc - also formed a part in maintaining this subculture alive and that there were wider implications. The money coming in and out of these schemes could come from anywhere, it could be money laundering from criminal activity or even terrorism and in some cases (that of Virtual Money is a case in point) have been proved to be involved. It is a billion dollar crime wave when all it totalled up.

The name of the scam in this case was a large one, ASD, but it could have been Zeek, P2P, Banners Broker, PS or any of the other HYIPs that were running around the web. The harm done is the same and it is done knowingly and without piety bv those who found and support the HYIP subculture.

Hope that answers your question.

Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me

UNTIL THAT POINT I DIDNT EVEN KNOW IT EXISTED!

Welcome to the real world :P