Thread: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me

justification of the subculture in which it functions.

It's not a justification, it's an objective description. You are the one putting judgement values on it. I just look at the money flow.

Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me

Let's see - like many others who use the internet, I have a business, I have a website, I have a hosting service, I advertise, I use forums. If the HYIP money game show was closed down tomorrow, it wouldnt affect our businesses one iota or leave us with nowhere to advertise as we wouldn't for one second dream of advertising in HYIP boards etc. None of our service providers would be affected one iota.

And HYIPs wouldn't be affected if your side of the internet wouldn't exist. You don't own the internet, you are just sharing it with other people. Yet you are trying to dictate how others should conduct their business.

Do HYIPers come to your website and tell you how to run it?

In the defense on many people who participated in PS, they are not evil people. Very few of them are truly evil. They just got hooked on making money illegitimately. I started with profit clicking thinking it was going to last forever, since it was my first introduction in the HYIP phenomenon, then it started to slow down. I then contacted my original referrer via e-mail and after my fears were allayed he told me that PS was the next best thing after profit clicking, and would last for a very long time. I signed up and deposited $80, and have been making a steady return since.

I than found out that PS was not the only one of its kind and there are many other programs that promise to do the same thing. Just today I found out that the owner of JustBeenPaid and profit clicking is setting up yet another HYIP program known as click paid. Since I got a taste of PS I now am really tempted to do click paid, since I want to feel the same chemical induced feeling of reward. It is a learnt craving that gets stronger the more money you make. I am definantely not a person without a conscience, just someone who has a craving for something that is looked down upon by the law.

Originally Posted by Fendaril

In the defense on many people who participated in PS, they are not evil people. Very few of them are truly evil.

Very few people are truly evil, period. If you listen to RS members, everyone who'd every gambled a penny in money games is an arch-criminal with connections to the underworld.

Originally Posted by Fendaril

I than found out that PS was not the only one of its kind and there are many other programs that promise to do the same thing. Just today I found out that the owner of JustBeenPaid and profit clicking is setting up yet another HYIP program known as click paid. Since I got a taste of PS I now am really tempted to do click paid, since I want to feel the same chemical induced feeling of reward. It is a learnt craving that gets stronger the more money you make. I am definantely not a person without a conscience, just someone who wants to take a shortcut.

We all look for shortcuts, it's human nature. Try to take care to not get too addicted to easy money, and you'll be ok.

Originally Posted by Finix

And HYIPs wouldn't be affected if your side of the internet wouldn't exist. You don't own the internet, you are just sharing it with other people. Yet you are trying to dictate how others should conduct their business.

Do HYIPers come to your website and tell you how to run it?

Oh please. There is NO business. It is STEALING, just organized STEALING. They are not innocent money games. This is causing financial ruin to people, local/county/state and national economies. Just because you believe it is OK to steal from others, it is still morally wrong besides being illegal.

The day the pimps, shills and players have to pay for playing will be the day these end. I have a feeling it won't be long until those days are upon us, and it can't happen fast enough for me.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

This is causing financial ruin to people, local/county/state and national economies.

You are confusing online and offline again. People like Madoff are causing those things. With the full knowledge of agencies that claim to be in place to protect people. PS is not causing any of this.

One post from Lil Ol' Radical Me and one from, well, plain ol' me bring forth ten posts from Finix. Anyone else have a mental picture of Finix hunched over the keyboard, snorting, eyes wide, hair on fire, pounding the keys and yelling "And furthermore! And furthermore! And furthermore!"

Trolling - it's an industry, I tell ya.

Originally Posted by wserra

One post from Lil Ol' Radical Me and one from, well, plain ol' me brings forth ten posts from Finix.

Give me a break, I've already postcountbuilt to a senior scambuster :P

Originally Posted by wserra

One post from Lil Ol' Radical Me and one from, well, plain ol' me bring forth ten posts from Finix. Anyone else have a mental picture of Finix hunched over the keyboard, snorting, eyes wide, hair on fire, pounding the keys and yelling "And furthermore! And furthermore! And furthermore!"

Unfortunately Finix showed great potential. Sad that she has not chosen to develop her talents in a sensible direction.

But you are right, I've wasted too much of my time on play. Time to go back to work and make some money.

Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me

Let's see - like many others who use the internet, I have a business, I have a website, I have a hosting service, I advertise, I use forums. If the HYIP money game show was closed down tomorrow, it wouldnt affect our businesses one iota or leave us with nowhere to advertise as we wouldn't for one second dream of advertising in HYIP boards etc. None of our service providers would be affected one iota.

Me too. I did use ponzi boards like TalkGold, MMG, The Safelist and Adlandpro when it was possible to meet fellow business people but those days are long gone.

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

Me too. I did use ponzi boards like TalkGold, MMG, The Safelist and Adlandpro when it was possible to meet fellow business people but those days are long gone.

Yet you can't stop talking about those forums. They must have made a lasting impression on you.

Here is a little something for y'all to chew on. TG is a part of VFS. VFS is ran by a former ShadowCrew member. Let the conspiracy theories fly wild.

Originally Posted by Finix

You are confusing online and offline again. People like Madoff are causing those things. With the full knowledge of agencies that claim to be in place to protect people. PS is not causing any of this.

When Roman runs with the money and he will unless the feds shut him down first, I would love for you to sit in my office and answer the phone when one of these major Ponzi's goes down. Then tell me they are just innocent money games.

But let's put some real statistics out there for you. In 2011, Ponzi's and their form of cyber-crime stole almost $1 Trillion Dollars just in Europe alone. Worldwide it was close to $3 Trillion Dollars. Just innocent little money games. More money in 2011 was stolen in cyber-crime than all the cocaine, heroin and marijuana trafficing COMBINED. Just innocent little money games. These were the statistics provided by the President of Interpol. And I haven't even touched the offline Ponzi's.

Since PS claims it is blessed by God and Roman is a Christian, in 2011 cyber-crime stole $35 Billion Dollars wordwide from the Christian community. Just innocent little money games.

Yeah right.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

[B][COLOR="#0000CD"]When Roman runs with the money and he will unless the feds shut him down first, I would love for you to sit in my office and answer the phone when one fo these major Ponzi's go down.

Yeah, let me talk to them. I'll set those idiots straight. They'll never look for easy money again after I'm through with them.

Originally Posted by Finix

Yet you can't stop talking about those forums. They must have made a lasting impression on you.

They certainly did! I met people like LRM, okosh, scratchy, Eagle and others whom I consider to be first rate scam busters.

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

They certainly did! I met people like LRM, okosh, scratchy Eagle and others whom I consider to be first rate scam busters.

Those are BSers. The real scambusters are from the Secret Service.

PS has now stopped paying to PerfectMoney account holders....ie me ! I guess Rip-off Roman is stemming the out flow,as the message on the withdrawal denial page is that they are only paying Eco-pay,and STP....Luckily I actually made a total overall profit, a whopping $2.64....not even a buck a month !

Originally Posted by rjww

Luckily I actually made a total overall profit, a whopping $2.64....not even a buck a month !

Criminal! Thief! The destroyer of national economies!

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

Unfortunately Finix showed great potential. Sad that she has not chosen to develop her talents in a sensible direction.

I don't need directions from the nutcases on the internet. I have plenty of sensible directions offline.

Originally Posted by Finix

I'm not talking about offline fraud. It's a very different thing than online HYIPs. In order to participate in online games, you have to read the website TOS, you have to get your money transferred into the payment systems they accept, etc.

In your example, it's a pastor who is a fraudster, what do our little games have to do with his greedy fake ass wanting to scam his flock?

A great deal - see AdSurfDaily, CEP. ZeekRewards, Profitable Sunshine and a list as long as your arm of HYIP frauds promoted on the internet. Y'know, an online ponzi pimps dream is when one of his/her downline takes the scheme to town. (and dont forget, according to Roman and his followers, God is on their side)

Originally Posted by Finix

We must live on different planets. I don't know any people who'd fall for this BS. Maybe it has something to do with the people you know and not the HYIPs?

Well then, aren't those people the ponzi scammers dream? Did you ever follow the enormous thread on Banners Broker? Did you ever follow the AdSurfDaily racket with its rallies and people who had the misfortune to be associated with the scammers and their downlines in real life who got sucked into the con by people they trust. Dont you know anyone who doesn't live on the internet and is unaware that there is a mini world out there of people who have moved onto the internet to defraud people, because it is easier than looking them in the eye? Haven't you ever heard of Affinity Fraud? Do you really believe that the HYIP "industry" survives on the participation of a bunch of cynical people who know only too well what they are betting on?

Originally Posted by Fendaril

In the defense on many people who participated in PS, they are not evil people. Very few of them are truly evil. They just got hooked on making money illegitimately. I started with profit clicking thinking it was going to last forever, since it was my first introduction in the HYIP phenomenon, then it started to slow down. I then contacted my original referrer via e-mail and after my fears were allayed he told me that PS was the next best thing after profit clicking, and would last for a very long time. I signed up and deposited $80, and have been making a steady return since.

I than found out that PS was not the only one of its kind and there are many other programs that promise to do the same thing. Just today I found out that the owner of JustBeenPaid and profit clicking is setting up yet another HYIP program known as click paid. Since I got a taste of PS I now am really tempted to do click paid, since I want to feel the same chemical induced feeling of reward. It is a learnt craving that gets stronger the more money you make. I am definantely not a person without a conscience, just someone who has a craving for something that is looked down upon by the law.

Sorry chum, you now also have to live with the reality that your "craving" means that every cent you "earn" comes out of the pocket of someone else who joined the money game after you. Within that group are people who Finix seems to know who know that they are gamblers but that there are also a bunch of people who believe every word that their uplines tell them - including that their money is safe and that it is legal.

Originally Posted by Finix

And HYIPs wouldn't be affected if your side of the internet wouldn't exist. You don't own the internet, you are just sharing it with other people. Yet you are trying to dictate how others should conduct their business.

Do HYIPers come to your website and tell you how to run it?

It's not an issue - I dont have to lie to my customers to get their trade. What they see is exactly what they get. If it isnt - they get their money back. Fortunately the HYIP games are only a tiny minority of disreputable sites in the greater scheme of internet trade. (which doesnt help the people they defraud)

All jokes aside, if I heard a pastor pimping an investment scheme, I'd run away from that church. It's a clear indication the pastor is on the side of the devil.