Thread: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

Originally Posted by Fendaril

Haha lets not bring economy into this. America was built by ambitious travelers looking for gold. Resulting in massive genocide, slavery, and near extinction. What are morals but a projection of what people know they will never achieve, moral purity.

Everyone has their vices, there are just those who have ones greater than others, and they are the target of the double standard naysayers arguing under the guise of 'justice or objectivity'.

Its like the good and bad cops games I played as a kid. No matter which side I played, I was still a cop.

then why do we have to put up with a bunch of scammers and self serving politicians claiming they are acting as they do because they are good christians? Profitable Sunshine is justifying the unjustifiable - stealing from the ignorant - by using the bible. And ever worse, why do we have to put up with a bunch of cretins defending them?

Originally Posted by Finix

SEC is busy sorting through scams that are actually registered with them. The registration doesn't stop a company from being a scam. Those registrations, licenses are for rich people playing real world money games that leave the rest of the world poor. Nobody in the industry can afford those things. It should be understood, don't bet a farm.

What INDUSTRY? HYIPS and other ponzi money games are not an industry. They are money games. Industries produce wealth, provide employment, pay taxes and generally make the world go round without resorting to fraud.

My guess is that come the week of March 18, we will begin to see some payment issues, server issues or both. Then the week of the 18th will be the major problems with payments, website issues, server issues, and the claim the site was hacked. And at MMG they want us to stop pointing out this is a Ponzi as they know it is a Ponzi, have known it all along, and go post on other threads about those programs being a Ponzi.

You have to wonder what the people who joined this believing all the hype how this was blesssed by God, this was the real deal, Roman was a great Christian and all the other BS mantra put out by the pimps feel right about now realizing they joined a Ponzi. There heads have to be spinning trying to believe all these new revelations from the members it was a Ponzi from the beginning.

Nice of them to confirm what us naysayers have been saying all along. But then it never crossed their minds that they were validating what I have been saying, and still haven't.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

My guess is that come the week of March 18, we will begin to see some payment issues, server issues or both. Then the week of the 18th will be the major problems with payments, website issues, server issues, and the claim the site was hacked. And at MMG they want us to stop pointing out this is a Ponzi as they know it is a Ponzi, have known it all along, and go post on other threads about those programs being a Ponzi.

You have to wonder what the people who joined this believing all the hype how this was blesssed by God, this was the real deal, Roman was a great Christian and all the other BS mantra put out by the pimps feel right about now realizing they joined a Ponzi. There heads have to be spinning trying to believe all these new revelations from the members it was a Ponzi from the beginning.

Nice of them to confirm what us naysayers have been saying all along. But then it never crossed their minds that they were validating what I have been saying, and still haven't.

The sickest part is that the ponzi pushers will carry on as if nothing has been said about their thieving scams - oh sorry, about their INDUSTRY

Originally Posted by EagleOne

My guess is that come the week of March 18, we will begin to see some payment issues, server issues or both.

Personally, I'd be surprised if this one went out with a whimper instead of simply disappearing overnight.

"Roman Novak" seems to have created a rod for his own back, so to speak, by creating a date when a great many members will be expecting their "investments" to mature.

Just as a naysayer is foolish to put any time frame on exactly when a HYIP ponzi fraud will close down, a HYIP ponzi owner who creates an expectation for a certain date is, IM(very)HO, setting him/her self up for failure.

Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me

What INDUSTRY? HYIPS and other ponzi money games are not an industry. They are money games. Industries produce wealth, provide employment, pay taxes and generally make the world go round without resorting to fraud.

HYIPs feed payment processors, forums, advertisers, exchangers, the LE, receivers of assets and people like Eagle.

The wealth generated by the HYIPs via those channels flows back into national economies.

Originally Posted by Finix

HYIPs feed payment processors, forums, advertisers, exchangers, the LE, receivers of assets and people like Eagle.

Legitimate industries feed the above more than adequately. Paypal and Google Checkout do not appear to be going bust due their policy of NOT dealing with the subculture of illegal money games, and Eagle (which is a non-profit as you well know) would have a lot less pressure on their resources if they did not exist.

Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me

Eagle (which is a non-profit as you well know)

He'd have to get a real job if the HYIPs didn't exist.

As for the rest, you have to start somewhere to become big. The industry is a starting point. Paypal used to be a lot more friendly to scams and money laundering than it is now.

Originally Posted by Finix

The wealth generated by the HYIPs via those channels flows back into national economies.

The reverse is true. It looks as if you are seeing HYIPs through rose colored eye glasses.

The real money in HYIPs circulates within a relatively small and closed circle of HYIP operators. A couple of fast cars and big houses purchased by the big players are about the only monies that flow back into any economy.

The HYIP subculture is used for money laundering, wire fraud, is frequently "offshore" and rarely creates any kind of economic growth. It in fact takes money out of the system as it forms part of a black economy that creates little legitimate employment and pays no taxes (which pay for roads, schools, hospitals, police and firemen etc) in any country.

Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me

The reverse is true.

Both are true. Money is money, it flows. In the industry it flows from the pockets of people who look for easy riches into the pockets of people who know how to work the system. Eventually it ends up in the same place - the banks.

Originally Posted by Finix

Both are true. Money is money, it flows. In the industry it flows from the pockets of people who look for easy riches into the pockets of people who know how to work the system. Eventually it ends up in the same place - the banks.

That is a naive rather than a cynical attitude. Money laundering is not just an innocent flow of money for people who look for easy riches

Surely you must remember the story of Virtual Money - here's one link, but there are many all over the web and Virtual Money was definitely not an isolated case - just the first one to get caught.

KABOOM! Agents Tie Alleged ‘Evolution Market Group’ Ponzi And HYIP Fraud Scheme To Narcotics Case In Arizona; Tens Of Millions Of Dollars Seized; Firms Promoted On ASA Monitor, TalkGold Forums

As Wes Serra asked you before

Do you believe it's a good thing if criminals are able to sanitize boatloads of cash quickly and easily?

Do you know who Roman really is? Does anyone? Do you or anyone else know where the money in Profitable Sunshine comes from or where it goes? Why do you assume it is all so harmless?

Originally Posted by Finix

Eventually it ends up in the same place - the banks.

Money leaving banks in the form of loans - for business expansion, home improvement, or even just personal consumption - is one of the major ways an economy grows. Money that "ends up" in banks does much less. Basically it just sits there, marginally increasing the bank's fractional reserves. Economists call it "sitting on the sidelines".

But how much does someone who believes that HYIPs are a good thing know about economics?

Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me

Do you know who Roman really is?

It doesn't matter who he really is. You want to meet Roman? Have a coffee with him or something? Roman needs to pay you, and he will for as long as he can.

Originally Posted by wserra

But how much does someone who believes that HYIPs are a good thing know about economics?

Probably as little as you know about the industry. I don't believe HYIPs are a good thing, but since they are already there I see they are very useful for a lot of people.

Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me

The HYIP subculture is used for money laundering, wire fraud, is frequently "offshore" and rarely creates any kind of economic growth.

Offshore is good for offshore. Share the wealth a bit with poor countries, it's really is not that much that flows through the industry.

Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me

Why do you assume it is all so harmless?

That's what we have you guys as a part of the industry for - to filter out those who think they are real.

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Originally Posted by fishbay

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My bad. Forgot to add the monitors to the list of industry entities who feed off HYIPs.

Originally Posted by Finix

He'd have to get a real job if the HYIPs didn't exist.

Nothing could be further from the truth.....If you did a little less trolling and a little more reading you'd know that Eagle does a lot more in the area of scam education and general work that has nothing to do with HYIPs.....

Originally Posted by okosh

Nothing could be further from the truth.....If you did a little less trolling and a little more reading you'd know that Eagle does a lot more in the area of scam education and general work that has nothing to do with HYIPs.....

Excuse me, I didn't mean to say just HYIPs. He'd have to get a real job if scams didn't exist, better?

As for reading BS, no thanks. He is just as bad as admins. Or as good, depends on your point of view.

Originally Posted by Finix

Excuse me, I didn't mean to say just HYIPs. He'd have to get a real job if scams didn't exist, better?

Originally Posted by Finix

As for reading BS, no thanks. He is just as bad as admins. Or as good, depends on your point of view.

No...You still trolling and attacking Lynne and picking a fight......
If you bored why don't you go play with your uncle at WL forum

Originally Posted by okosh

No...You still trolling and attacking Lynne and picking a fight......

No, I call it like I see it. You want a sychophantic cult?

It looks like there are problems logging in to PS. Could be the Harbinger of things to come...........