Thread: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

Originally Posted by wserra

And no, it is not generally illegal to lack a conscience.

That is a gem. I will add it to my sig files if you will give me your permission and the name of the person to whom I can attribute this pearl of wisdom!

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

That is a gem. I will add it to my sig files if you will give me your permission

Sure. Thanks.

and the name of the person to whom I can attribute this pearl of wisdom!

AFAIK, me.

Originally Posted by wserra

And no, it is not generally illegal to lack a conscience.

What do you want from them? To grow one? They can't and won't. You want them to follow the laws, right? Well, the laws you bring up apply to U.S. only. This is the internet, it's worldwide, and unlike the real world the the U.S. is not in charge here.

You guys are even worse than players when it comes to keeping sh!t on topic. Concentrate on PS being a scam and admin being a fraudster and you'll do your job at warning the unsuspecting.

Originally Posted by wserra

Sure. Thanks.

AFAIK, me.

Can I use your real name or can you come up with a name that won't confuse We British? We are a trifle suspicious of anything or anybody from US unless they are American writers like Bill Bryson or John Steinbeck.

Originally Posted by Finix

You guys are even worse than players when it comes to keeping sh!t on topic. Concentrate on PS being a scam and admin being a fraudster and you'll do your job at warning the unsuspecting.

We talked about PS being a scam for about 25 pages, and covered every possible avenue. Resurgence is after the long haul, be patient.

Even MMG has resorted to spamming withdrawal requests.

Originally Posted by Finix

What do you want from them? To grow one?

It's good for people to have consciences. Or don't you think so?

Well, the laws you bring up apply to U.S. only. This is the internet, it's worldwide, and unlike the real world the the U.S. is not in charge here.

Where did I ever say otherwise? Although I have a feeling that participating in ponzis is also illegal in the U.K. and in Australia, and that seems to cover most of the folks participating in this thread.

Concentrate on PS being a scam and admin being a fraudster and you'll do your job at warning the unsuspecting.

Speaking of those who aren't in charge . . .

Originally Posted by path2prosperity

Can I use your real name or can you come up with a name that won't confuse We British?

In those few places I post, I'm always wserra. My real name is Wesley Serra (the login is a clever disguise). Feel free to use one, both or none.

Originally Posted by wserra

It's good for people to have consciences. Or don't you think so?

It contributes nothing to the discussion. The reality of the situation is that some people have it and some people don't, and you are not in the position to do anything about it.

Originally Posted by wserra

Although I have a feeling that participating in ponzis is also illegal in the U.K. and in Australia

That's three countries out of the whole world, although according to two TG mods (one from the U.K. and one from Oz) it's not illegal to have a punt.

Originally Posted by wserra

that seems to cover most of the folks participating in this thread

That would be preaching to the choir. You were talking about MMG and TG members, no?

Originally Posted by wserra

In those few places I post, I'm always wserra. My real name is Wesley Serra (the login is a clever disguise). Feel free to use one, both or none.

Many thanks. I will have fun using the quote in several places. I worked today so I have to get a meal and do some housework. Will send you a PM to see if you like the context of quote.

Originally Posted by Fendaril

Even MMG has resorted to spamming withdrawal requests.

They will never learn. Neither will naysayers. They are like a mirror image of each other.

Originally Posted by wserra

It's good for people to have consciences. Or don't you think so?



Where did I ever say otherwise? Although I have a feeling that participating in ponzis is also illegal in the U.K. and in Australia, and that seems to cover most of the folks participating in this thread.



Speaking of those who aren't in charge . . .

They certainly are in most European countries too. Norway has been known to lock 'em up (Does anyone remember Plexpay?) and in Spain, German Carmona of Finanzas Forex /EMG was arrested too, along with a couple of his cohorts. (Not nice places spanish jails). Banners Broker has had trouble in India and there is along list of others. I think if one does a check around the world, one will find that a very large number of other countries are very ponzi unfriendly and ponzis and other financial frauds are also highly illegal. And that is without mentioning extradition treaties between the US and many other countries for people accused of crimes committed against US citizens.

Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me

They certainly are in most European countries too. Norway has been known to lock 'em up (Does anyone remember Plexpay?) and in Spain, German Carmona of Finanzas Forex /EMG was arrested too, along with a couple of his cohorts. (Not nice places spanish jails). Banners Broker has had trouble in India and there is along list of others. I think if one does a check around the world, one will find that a very large number of other countries are very ponzi unfriendly and ponzis and other financial frauds are also highly illegal. And that is without mentioning extradition treaties between the US and many other countries for people accused of crimes committed against US citizens.

If you are born without a conscience there is little you can do about it. People who attack those without conscience are in the same boat as them.

When it comes to law enforcement around the world carrying out their obligations, conscience is not an issue. If law enforcement get to Profitable Sunrise before it implodes or Roman runs with the money, then prosecutions will be based on facts and not opinions.

Dont follow your comment about people who give a d`+mn about ethics being in the some boat as the sociopaths who frequently found and promote ponzi schemes, or those who put their consciences on "hold" while they cash out with the money paid in by new recruits - including their own.

Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me

When it comes to law enforcement around the world carrying out their obligations, conscience is not an issue. If law enforcement get to Profitable Sunrise before it implodes or Roman runs with the money, then prosecutions will be based on facts and not opinions.

They are not going to prosecute the players. Even the U.S. doesn't. Yet. Clawbacks is the best the law can do at the moment as far as participants are concerned.

Originally Posted by Finix

They are not going to prosecute the players. Even the U.S. doesn't. Yet. Clawbacks is the best the law can do at the moment as far as participants are concerned.

YET - you said it. What will be interesting to see is how the clawbacks in Zeek are carried out. We already know that they will not be the minor issue that they were with CEP, but that they are digging far deeper this time and far wider. We dont know yet how deep they will go, but clawbacks that actually hurt the players could end up being just a big a deterrent as prosecutions. Whatever happens with Zeek will set an interesting precedent in Ponziland.

Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me

YET - you said it. What will be interesting to see is how the clawbacks in Zeek are carried out. We already know that they will not be the minor issue that they were with CEP, but that they are digging far deeper this time and far wider. We dont know yet how deep they will go, but clawbacks that actually hurt the players could end up being just a big a deterrent as prosecutions. Whatever happens with Zeek will set an interesting precedent in Ponziland.

You know full well what will happen. Those who can afford it will lawyer up and get out with a slap on the hand, the rest are not worth going after.

Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me

YET - you said it. What will be interesting to see is how the clawbacks in Zeek are carried out. We already know that they will not be the minor issue that they were with CEP, but that they are digging far deeper this time and far wider. We dont know yet how deep they will go, but clawbacks that actually hurt the players could end up being just a big a deterrent as prosecutions. Whatever happens with Zeek will set an interesting precedent in Ponziland.

They will only go after the big players. The smaller players won't get harmed as much.

Originally Posted by Fendaril

People who attack those without conscience are in the same boat as them.

They don't see it that way. Their society is just as corrupt and unfair as the ponzi world, but god forbid some poor mofos figure out how to make a couple of bucks online from scamriding. Let's bring out feathers and tar and hang them.

Originally Posted by Finix

Let's bring out feathers and tar and hang them.

LOL, Ok! I can see it now, Frankenstein is in the tower snarling and grunting and the towns people have pitchforks and torches! Darn, in my mind it is still Black and White! Oh well.

Originally Posted by Finix

They will never learn. Neither will naysayers. They are like a mirror image of each other.

And you in the middle with splinters in your bum

Originally Posted by okosh

And you in the middle with splinters in your bum

Where am I supposed to be if I don't like either side?

Originally Posted by Finix

Where am I supposed to be if I don't like either side?

Right where you are....It's the right place for you...LOL

Originally Posted by okosh

Right where you are....It's the right place for you...LOL

The only thing I truly enjoyed in the industry is the exchanger business. You know it's not scamming, it's work. In the U.S. it's illegal to be an exchanger, so I'm not, but I'm really pissed about not being able to do what I like.