Thread: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

Originally Posted by tcob

Profitable Sunrise - Red Flag - YouTube

OMG, thanks for sharing this video link. I am still laughing my sides off. Are we sure that John isn't Roman's "other" brother. He can't even keep his stories straight.

One of my favorite lines is if you make $1 Million in a year with PS you will got to prison!, but he is going to show you how you won't if you follow his advice.

Thanks again as you made my day!

Originally Posted by Colorz

Hello EagleOne,

No i do not keep trying to make PS a real company, remember the only thing here i wanted to say is that the guy was real..the rest i
leave to you guys because i don't have that bagage and knowhow to jump in this forum and say: Hey guys, this is a REAL company!
But i have an answer why you don't call him and i think its a very acceptable answer..but from where are that recorded phone calls
that littleroundman mentions? are they on the net?

Colorz: Please forgive me if I sounded like I was attacking you in my reply. My intent was to show you calling him would be futile as it would not change anything. Also that despite all of Roman's statements he is able to pay the returns he is promising is all make-believe. He talks a good game, just as John Schepcoff does, unless of course you know what they are saying is all a lie.

It is your money, and you can do with it as you see fit. I just hope you do not have more money in this than you can afford to lose, because if you do, you will lose it. The clock is ticking on this and it is soon to run out of time. Roman has already hit critical mass in his Ponzi and when that happens the end is not far away. What I mean by critical mass is that the number of new people that have to join this now so he can keep paying a little while longer cannot sustain these kind of returns. It is not just a mere doubling of the number of people he needs to keep it going, it now has reached the point where he needs 4 times as many people to join to keep it going. That is not happening. Toss in the Easter big payout and this is a recipe for disaster.

What happens in the last days of this month and the first days of March will be tell-tale signs of how much longer he will be able to play his game. Please continue to post as your input is appreciated.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

Colorz: Please forgive me if I sounded like I was attacking you in my reply. My intent was to show you calling him would be futile as it would not change anything. Also that despite all of Roman's statements he is able to pay the returns he is promising is all make-believe. He talks a good game, just as John Schepcoff does, unless of course you know what they are saying is all a lie.

It is your money, and you can do with it as you see fit. I just hope you do not have more money in this than you can afford to lose, because if you do, you will lose it. The clock is ticking on this and it is soon to run out of time. Roman has already hit critical mass in his Ponzi and when that happens the end is not far away. What I mean by critical mass is that the number of new people that have to join this now so he can keep paying a little while longer cannot sustain these kind of returns. It is not just a mere doubling of the number of people he needs to keep it going, it now has reached the point where he needs 4 times as many people to join to keep it going. That is not happening. Toss in the Easter big payout and this is a recipe for disaster.

What happens in the last days of this month and the first days of March will be tell-tale signs of how much longer he will be able to play his game. Please continue to post as your input is appreciated.

Hmm i've seen the youtube video above..and euhm well.. ok next subject :-)
I think i know exactly what you want to say..and time will tell. I am willing to believe this will stop..but please let it stop then after the summer lol. If its stops before the summer well ok, i've still earned money. I putted an amount in that i can miss, don't worry about that, at least i am not
that stupid lol ;-) I will never put a video down or something similar to get referrals..if something happens i want to be responsible for myself, not for others their money. I will learn the hard way. That said, i'm gonna end here my mails, ive said what i wanted to say. Altough i am sitting in the
other 'MMG'camp i admire your effort and devotion for this site. I'll keep an eye on it!

With regards,

Originally Posted by tcob

Profitable Sunrise - Red Flag - YouTube

If you believe THAT, you'll believe anything

self incrimination

Web definitions
an accusation that incriminates yourself.wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

What a long and involved thread about the legitimacy of a "business" ( Profitable Sunrise ) that is the non-registered subsidiary of a non trading UK shell company (Inter Reef) that is not licensed to lend or trade in any Western European or American country. (and that is "empirical" not guesswork. lol) and probably not licensed to trade as lenders of hard money anywhere in the world (and that is an educated guess)

Hard money lenders and brokers of investments do not advertise on Talk Gold, Money Makers Group or any other similar internet forum looking for punters. Those are places for money games (nearly always illegal) and HYIPS and ponzis. It makes no difference if the founder of the money game is a real flesh and blood person who someone has met, or just an internet identity which later proves to be false. These are not businesses or financial institutions. They are schemes set up by people who know how to take advantage of the access that the internet now gives them to the general public that allows them to promote/pimp illegal schemes with less likelihood of getting arrested than if they were to do the same in the High Street /Main Stret of your town.

I was wondering how long it would take before Yippee or another mod stepped in @MMG to stop all the personal attacks against me. It finally happened. I don't mind the usual I don't know what I am talking about, I don't understand Roman's program, I don't have a clue about hard money lending/bridge loans, but then the lies started and I called them out on them. So the posts are now gone and the thread was closed to "cool" everyone off.

But I did learn, before the posts were removed, that Eagle gets paid by the feds when we help take down a Ponzi. Uh wait, no we get paid by the banks because they don't want the competition from Roman. Uh, wait, we have ads on our website and every time someone clicks them we get paid. Gee, now I am confursed if we are suppsed to be getting paid by the feds, the banks or clicks on our ads? Wait, it must be all three since I am greedy and only doing this for my ego.

Then I learned that I am to solve the social security crisis in America instead of worrying about PS, according to income4life. Then income4life went on some tangent that I am still trying to figure out what was said. Oh well, since the post was taken down, I don't have to worry about how to read numb-speak. I'm sure there was a brain in his post searching for a rational thought, but it was hard to tell.

So now there are two threads at MMG that are closed for a while. It will be interesting to see how long they keep the PC thread closed. That was really fun to read of late.

What was truly funny was all the people who said they had me on ignore, but kept posting about me. Then they complained when someone would quote me so the ones who have sensitive eyes and ears would have to read what I said. Poor Bella, only wanted to think positive thoughts and read positive things; and I come along and upset her positiveness. It was tragic I tell you. I would have sent Kleenex if I knew her address.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

If you believe THAT, you'll believe anything

You have to be "honest and ethical" before he will steal you away from your sponsor....what a world class slime bucket. Hanging out with him will definitely get you a new set of prisonwear for tax evasion and fraudelent conveyance. Just my opinion but this guy is nuts and has to be on the law enforcement radar.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

But I did learn, before the posts were removed, that Eagle gets paid by the feds when we help take down a Ponzi. Uh wait, no we get paid by the banks because they don't want the competition from Roman. Uh, wait, we have ads on our website and every time someone clicks them we get paid. Gee, now I am confursed if we are suppsed to be getting paid by the feds, the banks or clicks on our ads? Wait, it must be all three since I am greedy and only doing this for my ego.

Just typical of HYIP nonsense. If you wanted to monetize your site, you could just recommend a income opp that is paying and make referrals.OR turn in all the Americans who will never declare PS profits on taxes for the 10% IRS reward.
The non hyip- schills who hate on you just think PS is their retirement/ticket to easy street. They cant face that it might not be.

Originally Posted by Merchant of Truth

You have to be "honest and ethical" before he will steal you away from your sponsor....what a world class slime bucket. Hanging out with him will definitely get you a new set of prisonwear for tax evasion and fraudelent conveyance. Just my opinion but this guy is nuts and has to be on the law enforcement radar.

Welcome to RS, and we look forward to your continued contributions here.

There are just so many things wrong with his comments that there are too many to list. Actually I would be making a transcription of the video if I did. He has some other videos that are just as over-the-top as this one, and a few even funnier to boot.

But he can always do stand-up when PS goes down. Thanks for your contribution.

I have been looking at PS for a few weeks and have been reading here about what may be happening. I have resisted taking the plunge but have a close friend who dropped 10 large a couple of weeks ago. I warned him that it may be a Ponzi but the lure of large payouts overrode everything else. I only hope he is able to get his $$ back before it collapses. If the predictions of a collapse around Easter prove true, he is in a world of hurt and I assume many others who have dropped large sums of cash in hope.

Originally Posted by JCA777

I have been looking at PS for a few weeks and have been reading here about what may be happening. I have resisted taking the plunge but have a close friend who dropped 10 large a couple of weeks ago. I warned him that it may be a Ponzi but the lure of large payouts overrode everything else. I only hope he is able to get his $$ back before it collapses. If the predictions of a collapse around Easter prove true, he is in a world of hurt and I assume many others who have dropped large sums of cash in hope.

I am sorry to hear about your friend dropping 10 large in this. The problem is there is no way one can tell if they can survive past Easter or not. We do know that he has a huge nut to pay out for the Easter Bonus. The only way he can do that is to get almost twice as much money between now and Easter that he needs to payout to make that happen. If he can't, this is toast by Easter.

One thing is for sure, it won't be because of lack of trying by the major pimps in this to make the Easter payout. You can also bet if he does make it, they will be out of it because they know it can't last much longer. They have the advantage as they know what is in the accounts where we don't.

Depending on which account he put his money, he may have a chance to get some of it back before Easter, but if he put it all in the Long-Term program, hisi odds went down dramatically. But all of this is predicated that Roman runs with the money. If the feds move in and shut him down, then those who were the big winners could be looking at clawbacks if the court appoints a receiver for the victims like they did in Zeek.

Thanks for your input and look forward to your continued posting here at RS. But the warnings will continue to hopefully prevent more people like your friend from losing it all.

From MMG below. Looks like an order from PS went out. Roman must be getting paranoid.


Hey Affiliate's,Make sure to not post your referral link on any social website, make youtube videos, etc., and ESPECIALLY use any investment terms which we are not an investment company (terms such as: investments, compounding, etc.). That's how ZEEK got shutdown and it was because of the affiliates that are not educated enough and promoting it wrongly.They are cracking down on people that are doing this which they might warn you first or even terminate your account (I've seen it happen). We have a great opportunity with SUNRISE so don't mess it up for everyone.

Originally Posted by JCA777

I have been looking at PS for a few weeks and have been reading here about what may be happening. I have resisted taking the plunge but have a close friend who dropped 10 large a couple of weeks ago. I warned him that it may be a Ponzi but the lure of large payouts overrode everything else. I only hope he is able to get his $$ back before it collapses. If the predictions of a collapse around Easter prove true, he is in a world of hurt and I assume many others who have dropped large sums of cash in hope.

How long did he lock in for? They seem to be bringing lots of new $. Could be hope if some of the huge amounts due are reinvested.


Main issue is that Roman would have to be the singular economic mind of our time to make $1000 into $40k over and over.
2.___% per day and no compound would be more realistic.

Originally Posted by Former Player

From MMG below. Looks like an order from PS went out. Roman must be getting paranoid.


Hey Affiliate's,Make sure to not post your referral link on any social website, make youtube videos, etc., and ESPECIALLY use any investment terms which we are not an investment company (terms such as: investments, compounding, etc.). That's how ZEEK got shutdown and it was because of the affiliates that are not educated enough and promoting it wrongly.They are cracking down on people that are doing this which they might warn you first or even terminate your account (I've seen it happen). We have a great opportunity with SUNRISE so don't mess it up for everyone.

Too funny! He has the word "INVESTMENT" all over his website. Besides it's too late. Anyone with an IQ of at least room temperature knows you are investing. Me thinks Roman may be getting a little worried now that it out in the open that he is not licensed or registered to do investments he might be getting the feds attention.

Originally Posted by Fat City, LA

They seem to be bringing lots of new $.

How would anyone know that ???

Originally Posted by EagleOne

Too funny! He has the word "INVESTMENT" all over his website. Besides it's too late. Anyone with an IQ of at least room temperature knows you are investing. Me thinks Roman may be getting a little worried now that it out in the open that he is not licensed or registered to do investments he might be getting the feds attention.

Judging from past experience, he is setting up the coming excuses for no/slow pay.
I urge everyone on here to call/email the FBI on Roman/PS. Better to get back seed money for most and deal another $ blow to US based schills.

AS an aside:
IMO Roman seems like a borderline idiot- NO WAY is this guy financial guru. As a scammer, world class.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

How would anyone know that ???

I stalk the forums, google plus one,facebook, etc . See constant claims of reinvested and joining.

Originally Posted by Fat City, LA

I stalk the forums, google plus one,facebook, etc . See constant claims of reinvested and joining.

IM(very)HO that sort of thinking is what gets so many people into trouble with these HYIP ponzi frauds.

Profitable Sunrise is claiming to have up to 100,000 members, depending on the information source.

We know HYIP ponzi players, pimps, shills and owners like to concentrate their efforts on the "usual suspect" places you have mentioned.

They also know very well how to make it appear on Google as if their particular scam-du-jour is doing well.

They do so for a reason.

People look on Google, see 5 or 6 sites claiming the HYIP is doing well and don't bother looking an further.

Here's a "fact"

Zeek Rewards had over 2 million members, of which over 1 million were paying members.

The court appointed receiver has indicated only around 20% of paid members were "in profit" when Zeek was closed by the court.

Which means around a million people could post "I got paid" posts on the usual suspect forums and not be lying.

It also means around 800,000 paid members never made 1cent profit.

IOW, when it comes to HYIP ponzi frauds, the numbers you see mean abso-bloody-lutely nothing.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

I am sorry to hear about your friend dropping 10 large in this. The problem is there is no way one can tell if they can survive past Easter or not. We do know that he has a huge nut to pay out for the Easter Bonus. The only way he can do that is to get almost twice as much money between now and Easter that he needs to payout to make that happen. If he can't, this is toast by Easter.

There is no hope....Back in 2008 there was a scam called Mininvestment that did much the same thing.....Compound for months with a huge payout at the end....

You get 3 guesses when it stopped paying.....And the first 2 guesses don't count

Originally Posted by Fat City, LA

I stalk the forums, google plus one,facebook, etc . See constant claims of reinvested and joining.

I deposited 500K just last week....Do you believe me??....

Originally Posted by okosh

I deposited 500K just last week....Do you believe me??....

You not under impression I have any $ in PS? I dont.


A % of those making statements I've known for years in FB type way. Not microworkers, hyip junkies.
Hyip addiction is as real as nicotine, or alcohol. They cant resist.

Originally Posted by littleroundman

IM(very)HO that sort of thinking is what gets so many people into trouble with these HYIP ponzi frauds.

Profitable Sunrise is claiming to have up to 100,000 members, depending on the information source.

We know HYIP ponzi players, pimps, shills and owners like to concentrate their efforts on the "usual suspect" places you have mentioned.

They also know very well how to make it appear on Google as if their particular scam-du-jour is doing well.

They do so for a reason.

People look on Google, see 5 or 6 sites claiming the HYIP is doing well and don't bother looking an further.

Here's a "fact"

Zeek Rewards ahd over 2 million members, of which over 1 million were paying members.

The court appointed receiver has indicated only around 20% of paid members were "in profit" when Zeek was closed by the court.

Which means around a million people could post "I got paid" posts on the usual suspect forums and not be lying.

It also means around 800,000 paid members never made 1cent profit.

IOW, when it comes to HYIP ponzi frauds, the numbers you see mean abso-bloody-lutely nothing.

Yes, I am aware of all of the above.

Originally Posted by Fat City, LA

You not under impression I have any $ in PS? I dont.

My point was that when it comes to hyips you should never believe a word of what you hear or read....It's all just lies designed to separate fools from their money....

I'm trying to become an expert in HYIP/Income opp law.
Some I do join w/bare minimum so i can get at the updates. Didnt need to w/PS, they are open book.

Opp law??....
Oh....You mean the bit where hyip player makes deposit then gets down on knees and prays that A)Admin don't run with the cash and B)that enough suckers join after him so that they get paid....

BTW...No need to make donation in order to get updates.....Just join without spend and you'll get the updates....

I edited that post JUST after you quoted.

Class actions vs HYIP Income Opp is my area of interest. (Especially the certification aspect-tricky w/semi-secret nature of hyip with its user name and blind payout)

An aside: if you dont "make a donation" ie $- you dont have a cause of action. There isnt a tort.

I'll be back on weds to talk further, Mardi Gras in NOLA- Krewe of Endymion tomorrow. 1 million people on the parade route.