Thread: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

Originally Posted by Fat City, LA

Via facebook, Ive assembled solid contact information on USA based scammers who promote PC still knowing it doesnt pay. April 16th it all goes to the IRS. (most in PC long time so 2011 failure to declare on taxes is enough)

Included are the truly obnoxious, lowlife mods (any with self respect are long gone) and the PC bullies who browbeat anyone who dares ? PC in the various FB pages.
I have tons of screenshots of them bragging about how much $ they made.

I've added this grevious angel Nanci to the list.

No worry if they followed US tax code. 99% wont and what comes around goes around.

Do you have Belinda Grandberry, Jean Small, and their cultists in that Profitclicking report, Fat City?
I have tonnes of back data on those two from cash gifting investigations, although I haven't looked into their PC activities beyond noting that they are pushing it.

Originally Posted by Gregg

Her board is just as dirty as she is from what I can find.

One of her activities for the "charity" was a fund raising scheme where people bought life insurance (and they pocketed the commission on the sale), made the FUMI 50% beneficiary on the policy so if they died she got a payday. I spent an hour looking at it last night, the pitch I looked at was aimed at church leaders to sign up the whole congregation and she'd share the sales commission with them, too!

Lynn, are the budgets, tax returns etc... of a 501(3) C corp public, available online? I'd love to see who might be drawing a salary, if she's charging the fund rent for running it out of her home etc...

She has to file a 990 with the Feds, and it is public record. If anyone requests their 990, they must supply it. They just don't have to make it available online.

Originally Posted by Fat City, LA

I agree. There is a leaving the country before they kick in the door quality to this.
This Nanci is either very, very clueless or evil.

My money is on "evil" since it's not possible to be that clueless....

"Do you have Belinda Grandberry, Jean Small, and their cultists in that Profitclicking report, Fat City?
I have tonnes of back data on those two from cash gifting investigations, although I haven't looked into their PC activities beyond noting that they are pushing it."


You can do it yourself. If they are declared PC on taxes=nothing to worry about.
Im on anonymous basis,but there is huge whistleblower reward if you have a cause/charity who can benefit from your $ reward.

How Do You Report Suspected Tax Fraud Activity?
1(888)482-6825 is the 24/7 IRS Fraud Hotline

Reward form:
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f211.pdf

Its works for any of these USA hyip pimps. Their greed gets them 99 times out of 100.

Believe Canada has something similar.

Originally Posted by Myriad Force

No, I took a mildly casual look at it. But as usual, I don't trust your dimension of scrutiny. To avoid the encumbering nature of the bureacratic blenders of the unelected officials of US agenicies, Roman Novak wisely took his business elsewhere, which free men can do. The Howey Hiccup does not provide any precedent to companies registered in the United Kingdom, so I find your rebuttal, loathsome, myopic and vulgar. And I love it. When an individual deposits his money into a bank, he/she in essence is loaning his money to the bank for a rate of interest, is this a security? According to the Howey Test case, it usually involves Stocks and Bonds.

Please provide precedent that the SEC and the Howey Test Case have jurisdiction in the United Kingdom. It's just not there. Subsequently, your tenuous and conjectorious responses by you and your fellow realscam ruffians falls flat....AGAIN.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securit...W._J._Howey_Co.

Oh dear oh dear, not again. Have you still not understood that Profitable Sunrise and Inter Reef are NOT LICENSED to do anything in the UK apart from exist as a shell company. They may not TRADE as lenders NOR offer investments as they are not licensed.

Originally Posted by Lil Ol' Radical Me

Oh dear oh dear, not again. Have you still not understood that Profitable Sunrise and Inter Reef are NOT LICENSED to do anything in the UK apart from exist as a shell company. They may not TRADE as lenders NOR offer investments as they are not licensed.

Now don't go confusing Ty with facts. He only deals with "empirical evidence" don't you know.

http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/mini...751973501::::: there's the online database for minister's in Ohio....no Nanci Frazer listed

Originally Posted by intheknow

http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/mini...751973501::::: there's the online database for minister's in Ohio....no Nanci Frazer listed

Thanks for the link. It is appreciated.

But Nanci Jo Frazer does not claim to be a minister, just operating a nonprofit charity that "claims" to help spread the Gospel through their "ministry" outreach efforts. So I am not surprised she is not listed. They also say they are "non-denominational." This way there is no denomination governing board they must adhere to their guidelines and procedures. This allows them to do pretty much what they want to do without any kind of oversight. They still must comply with the IRS and state nonprofit rules, which they are violating.

Keep digging, you're doing a great job of uncovering useful information.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

Now don't go confusing Ty with facts. He only deals with "empirical evidence" don't you know.

I believe you mortals are trying your best to convey your phony tone of concern, however, the one thing you can't get your head around is that the bridge loan industry is Unregulated in the UK - you should begin factoring that into your exhaustive conjectory analysis.

The bridge loan industry in the UK is not unregulated, it is simply not regulated beyond regular lending as it is in some countries. They still have to register with FSA and comply with banking regulations. FSA is arguably more regulated than the USA Federal Reserve Board and US Treasury.

Originally Posted by Gregg

The bridge loan industry in the UK is not unregulated, it is simply not regulated beyond regular lending as it is in some countries. They still have to register with FSA and comply with banking regulations. FSA is arguably more regulated than the USA Federal Reserve Board and US Treasury.

Gregg, he is pulling your chain. He says things he knows are wrong to get everyone fired up.

With PS while tons of $ has been made.

Based on the hardcore schills from the HYIP/Income opp world didnt go back in. There is feeling its at zero sum gain very soon.

Well, I must be having a greater effect than I at first thought by posting in the PS thread at MMG. Instead of talking about PS, I am now the topic of discussion for the last 3 pages. I guess they think if they try to discredit me it will diminish my effect I am having, and I'm sure they think they have me crying in a corner that I am being picked on and exposed.

Now they want me to fix social security, but of course leave their Ponzi de Jour alone. I am being paid by the banks because they don't want people investing in offshore companies that takes away from their getting more money to pay a pitance back in return. I am supposed to be paid from all the Ponzi's we have helped take down by the government. I am supposed to give my thoughts on other programs in the PS thread. When I said PM me, surprise didn't get one. Then the person complained that I didn't answer his question. And one of my favorites was I didn't know how Roman was able to make these kind of returns, therefore I couldn't say it was a Ponzi. Seriously.

These people are more fun than a human being should be allowed to have.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

Well, I must be having a greater effect than I at first thought by posting in the PS thread at MMG. Instead of talking about PS, I am now the topic of discussion for the last 3 pages. I guess they think if they try to discredit me it will diminish my effect I am having, and I'm sure they think they have me crying in a corner that I am being picked on and exposed.

Now they want me to fix social security, but of course leave their Ponzi de Jour alone. I am being paid by the banks because they don't want people investing in offshore companies that takes away from their getting more money to pay a pitance back in return. I am supposed to be paid from all the Ponzi's we have helped take down by the government. I am supposed to give my thoughts on other programs in the PS thread. When I said PM me, surprise didn't get one. Then the person complained that I didn't answer his question. And one of my favorites was I didn't know how Roman was able to make these kind of returns, therefore I couldn't say it was a Ponzi. Seriously.

These people are more fun than a human being should be allowed to have.

It's been a big week for you Lynn, time for a Kiddie-Cocktail.

Originally Posted by Myriad Force

It's been a big week for you Lynn, time for a Kiddie-Cocktail.

Why thank you. Does this mean that you are buying? When you turn 21 you can move up to the adult beverages.

I've been reading this Thread for the past thirty minutes or so. My father clued me in to Profitable Sunrise, as his company Manager, apparently, has seen success in it.

The idea of such a thing is intriguing. But I know that not everything is as it seems. That is why I have lurked a while on random sites, scrounging around for outsider information about this supposed dream investment plan. This Thread has been so informative, thanks to all the almost-professional nature of several users and their painstaking work to uncover a shred of what it really is about.

For a brief moment I will lend my attention to a User that has sparked some interest.

Originally Posted by Myriad Force

It's been a big week for you Lynn, time for a Kiddie-Cocktail.

There is a rule about being rude on these Forums.

Don't be a Jerk. You must be thirteen years of age or older, and be able to act like it in order to post on our forums.

Myriad, I have noticed that you are a rather strange person. In the beginning, you appeared to be the understanding sort. However uninformed, ignorant or just misunderstood, you hadn't resorted to petty insults or attacks. However, as the pages progress, as more information about you is perhaps unraveled, and evidence as to the "fishiness" of this organization was mounting, you seem to be getting more and more paranoid, childish, judgmental and pretty much unreasonable. You then began to go on quoting obscure messages from fictitious references like that of a certain religion. As a student of literature, I can safely tell you that your words are hollow and unpersuasive. Religion has no bearing on this issue.

My advice would be thus: When making a carefully-planned argument, you must be ready to supply proof of your claims. As you so adequately put, your approach must be as empirical as possible. Remember that you are on a site that(unless I read something wrong) is here to help people. People from many walks of life. People who may be seeking similar results as yourself.

At the very least, I know I am hungry and tired of the same old drag in a dead-end job and seemingly no one to turn to. And when you think you finally have something, it ends up badly. I want what many people I am sure want. Financial Freedom. While I may be young and an idiot, I am prepared to try new things and ask for as much advice as possible from people who are genuinely interested in discovering the same secrets.

Every single opportunity needs to be explored by somebody, anybody, so long as the information is documented and sincere, then placed on websites like this for all to see. I don't think anybody wants to lose money. So, you could say real Scam-busting is a humanitarian effort.

That is why I am confused at your general lack of interest in listening to even what Admins have to say, as I am sure they might know something you don't.

Fox Two,
Im newer to Realscam & much different than most on here. I'm in many income opps/hyips. (I have a regular career and dont use bill money)

When you get into an opp/hyip.(1% a day and above is the norm) If it lasts more than 3-6 months, you make bank. Compound for a month, then get out seed $ is my technique.
Making the $ is 1/2 the battle, getting the withdraw is the other 1/2.

Over the years every opp/hyip Ive been in has tanked. (many were crazy successful in their prime) They eventually owe so much $ even active new $/rebuy cant save them.

PS
PS owes millions & millions. (1k becomes $40 plus) Millions are due very soon.(around Easter)

If it was this time last year-I'd say go for it. NOT now!
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Watch:
-If admin talks about god 24/7.-never last but religion seem to add to life span.

-If its makes its $ from Forex or arbitrage or "advertising". -never last.(exception=if forex- publish its trades daily)

-More than 3% a day-it tanks sooner than later. 100% a day etc, done in weeks or days.

-If it puts much effort and resources into "spin control"-added life but withdraw will be tough.
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It will perhaps be of interest to newcomers to the world of internet fraud, in particular HYIP ponzi fraud, to consider Myriad Force in light of the following from Wikipedia

A shill, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing that he has a close relationship with that person or organization.

"Shill" typically refers to someone who purposely gives onlookers the impression that he is an enthusiastic independent customer of a seller (or marketer of ideas) for whom he is secretly working. The person or group who hires the shill is using crowd psychology, to encourage other onlookers or audience members to purchase the goods or services (or accept the ideas being marketed). Shills are often employed by professional marketing campaigns. "Plant" and "stooge" more commonly refer to any person who is secretly in league with another person or organization while pretending to be neutral or actually a part of the organization he is planted in, such as a magician's audience, a political party, or an intelligence organization (see double agent).

Shilling is illegal in many circumstances and in many jurisdictions because of the potential for fraud and damage, however, if a shill does not place uninformed parties at a risk of loss, but merely generates "buzz," the shill's actions may be legal. For example, a person planted in an audience to laugh and applaud when desired (see claque), or to participate in on-stage activities as a "random member of the audience," is a type of legal shill.

"Shill" can also be used pejoratively to describe a critic who appears either all-too-eager to heap glowing praise upon mediocre offerings, or who acts as an apologist for glaring flaws. In this sense, the critic would be an implicit shill for the industry at large, possibly because his income is tied to its prosperity. The origin of the term "shill" is uncertain; it may be an abbreviation of "shillaber." The word originally denoted a carnival worker who pretended to be a member of the audience in an attempt to elicit interest in an attraction. Some sources trace the usage back to 1914.

Internet

In online discussion media, satisfied consumers or "innocent" parties may express specific opinions in order to further the interests of an organization in which they have an interest, such as a commercial vendor or special interest group. In academia, this is called opinion spamming. Web sites can also be set up for the same purpose. For example, an employee of a company that produces a specific product might praise the product anonymously in a discussion forum or group in order to generate interest in that product, service, or group. In addition, some shills use "sock puppetry," where they sign on as one user soliciting recommendations for a specific product or service. They then sign on as a different user pretending to be a satisfied customer of a specific company.

In some jurisdictions and circumstances, this type of activity may be illegal. In addition, reputable organizations may prohibit their employees and other interested parties (contractors, agents, etc.) from participating in public forums or discussion groups in which a conflict of interest might arise, or will at least insist that their employees and agents refrain from participating in any way that might create a conflict of interest.

For example, the plastic surgery company Lifestyle Lift ordered their employees to post fake positive reviews on websites. As a result, they were sued, and ordered to pay $300,000 in damages by the New York Attorney General's office. Said Attorney General Andrew Cuomo: "This company’s attempt to generate business by duping consumers was cynical, manipulative, and illegal. My office has [been] and will continue to be on the forefront in protecting consumers against emerging fraud and deception, including ‘astroturfing,’ on the Internet.

Sock puppets

Sometimes shills may be used to downplay legitimate complaints posted by users on the Internet

Originally Posted by FoxTwo

I've been reading this Thread for the past thirty minutes or so. My father clued me in to Profitable Sunrise, as his company Manager, apparently, has seen success in it.

The idea of such a thing is intriguing. But I know that not everything is as it seems. That is why I have lurked a while on random sites, scrounging around for outsider information about this supposed dream investment plan. This Thread has been so informative, thanks to all the almost-professional nature of several users and their painstaking work to uncover a shred of what it really is about.

For a brief moment I will lend my attention to a User that has sparked some interest.



There is a rule about being rude on these Forums.


Myriad, I have noticed that you are a rather strange person. In the beginning, you appeared to be the understanding sort. However uninformed, ignorant or just misunderstood, you hadn't resorted to petty insults or attacks. However, as the pages progress, as more information about you is perhaps unraveled, and evidence as to the "fishiness" of this organization was mounting, you seem to be getting more and more paranoid, childish, judgmental and pretty much unreasonable. You then began to go on quoting obscure messages from fictitious references like that of a certain religion. As a student of literature, I can safely tell you that your words are hollow and unpersuasive. Religion has no bearing on this issue.

My advice would be thus: When making a carefully-planned argument, you must be ready to supply proof of your claims. As you so adequately put, your approach must be as empirical as possible. Remember that you are on a site that(unless I read something wrong) is here to help people. People from many walks of life. People who may be seeking similar results as yourself.

At the very least, I know I am hungry and tired of the same old drag in a dead-end job and seemingly no one to turn to. And when you think you finally have something, it ends up badly. I want what many people I am sure want. Financial Freedom. While I may be young and an idiot, I am prepared to try new things and ask for as much advice as possible from people who are genuinely interested in discovering the same secrets.

Every single opportunity needs to be explored by somebody, anybody, so long as the information is documented and sincere, then placed on websites like this for all to see. I don't think anybody wants to lose money. So, you could say real Scam-busting is a humanitarian effort.

That is why I am confused at your general lack of interest in listening to even what Admins have to say, as I am sure they might know something you don't.

Welcome to RS and thank you for your kind words about RS. We hope you learn from being here as that is our true priority to educate those who have no clue how these Ponzi's work so they don't become a victim.

I highly recommend you read littleroundman's post as many times as it takes to understand the lingo used in these HYIP Ponzi's. All HYIP's are Ponzi's. HYIP just means High Yield Investment Program. It makes no difference what kind of investment vehicle they are claiming their Ponzi de Jour is doing, they are all Ponzi's.

There are, however, real HYI - High Yield Investments. These require real licensed and registered traders or brokers. You are also not going to be able to invest as little as $10 either. It will also require you to be qualified before you can trade or invest. The only qualification you need to invest in a HYIP is you are breathing and you have $10. That is your first clue they are Ponzi's. You should also know that anyone who participates in a Ponzi is just stealing from others so they can get paid. Whether that is in the very beginning of the Ponzi or at the end. It is stealing, just organized stealing.

No-one can return 1%-3% per day, every day, let alone compounding as it has never been done in the history of real trading or investing. NEVER! And Roman Novak can't do it either.

Another thing you need to learn is that when the shills/players/promoters cannot defend their Ponzi de Jour, that's when you see posts like Myriad Force makes - name-calling or personal attacks. It is all they have left. They think if they can discredit anyone exposing the Ponzi, people will not listen to them. They also think they are dazzling us with brilliance when all they are doing is baffling us with BS.

Now there is a whole lot more to learn about how these Ponzi's operate and the role of each person in the evolution of the Ponzi getting started and continuing for as long as possible. I wrote a book exposing them and how they do it. The title of my book is in my sig line. If you go to our website (link in my sig) you will see on the lower left-hand side a link to info about my book. You can read what people who bought it have said, as well as see a list of the chapters in my book. If you click the link to Amazon, you can read some of my book to get a feel for what the book covers. I am not pitching you to buy my book, but it will give you some insight about the book. Hopefully you will also find information on our website of value to you and educational to boot. And if you have any questions, you can E-mail me from our site, or send me a PM here.

Thanks for sharing and look forward to more of your posts.

Well as I said, when you can't dispute the facts start the name-calling and personal attacks. Seems that Myriad Force/Ty knows more about how Eagle works than I do. Amazing that for someone who is not a part of Eagle knows every little detail about Eagle. Here is is latest lie about me and Eagle from MMG, and I quote:

Nanci Frazer perfectly explains why people like Lynn Edgington come to sites like this with all their venom. Listen to this recorded call starting at the 52:00 minute mark. Then go to Lynn's site and make sure you do not click on the adds surrounding him on the right, because he gets money per click:

https://www.freeconferencecallhd.com...0NzA0NjI5MTg=0

Has Lynn Edgington ever contacted Roman Novak personally? - No. Why, because he does not want to know what is really going on. Lynn wants you to click on the adds on his site. He is here to Drive Traffic to his site.

Once you move beyond the simplicity of it, it gets complicated. Lynn is becoming the Poster Child of how "Scam Busters" are Scamming you!!!

Only one problem myriadforce, Eagle does not get anything when you click on a link on our site. Not ONE PENNY, NADA, ZILCH, ZERO, GOOSE EGG, NIL. We are a REAL nonprofit unlike Nanci Jo Frazer. But I do highly recommend you listen to Nanci Jo and you will soon learn how to spot someone pimping a Ponzi.

Now this is interesting. No longer does Nanci Jo Frazer show Profitable Sunrise on her donation page for FocusUp Ministries. It has also gone missing from the NJF Global Group home page, but they do still mention it on their PSR Back Office page. Now on both sites is this quote:

At no time are you to participate in this program with any resources which you feel would be a risk... There are no guarantees in any project you may choose to align yourself with. We have no authority, connection or obligation to the companies you may view within this website. Do not use up your time, tangible assets or connections in any program without professional advice."

Hmm, I wonder why?

Actually, Lynn,

it goes a lot further than just removing any reference to Profitable Sunrise.

Take a look at the NJF front page, complete with newly added disclaimers:

As it was last week:



as it is today:

Kind of makes you wonder if her YouTube video channel will disappear too. All those videos pimping PS may be history. It has to hurt recruiting if they took it down.

But then is just a little too late as the damage has been done. I don't think the IRS and the feds will be too impressed at her changes.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

But then is just a little too late as the damage has been done. I don't think the IRS and the feds will be too impressed at her changes.

As is usual with HYIP ponzi fraud, those left behind will be copping it in the neck, while the non existent "Mr Roman Novak" lives large on the profit.

I am new to this site. I am skeptical of profitable sunrise. A family member signed me up (with my permission of course) and put money into the program (HYIP, ponzi scheme, etc.). I am hoping to at least get the money back that this family member put into it. I was a member of zeek and recieved about $2,000 before it shut down. We will see what happens with this program. I am sure at some point it will shut down just like zeek. I will keep everyone updated as to how much (or how little) money I make from the $100 that was donated by this family member.

DocD