Thread: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?

Has anyone here done any research on something called Profitable Sunrise?

I have already warned a good friend away from it after going inside for a look. Like most of these things, it lays out a way for them to earn their incredibly high yields that is meant to sound possible.

Sadly, the people behind this claim to be Christians, and like to throw in a Bible verse here and there to make it look nice (if you can possibly say there is ANYTHING nice looking about the horribly amateurish site.)

If these people were making the money they are claiming to make with their "bridge loans," it would be usury of the loan shark kind....
The "parent" company is Inter Reef LTD [GB].

Here is how they are described by a member or customer, which is exactly what they claim in their private broadcasts (I listened to one) and any written material:

"Their website is: Welcome to Profitable Sunrise! They are hard money lenders. Have been in business 8 years. They make loans from 5-20 days and 2-6 months. They charge 2.6%-3.0% daily, 5 days per week. Loans are usually secured. They take in "investor" money and pay a return of 1.6%-2.1% per day, compounding, 5 days per week. The earned interest can be taken out anytime, everyday. The principal has to remain in their fund for 170 to 180 days before being withdrawn and reinvested (if you choose to). Their security on the loan and investor money is insured in case of default. Their main bank is Baltikums Bank AS in Nicosia, Cyprus. Their Founder/CEO is Roman Novak; his brother Radislov Novak is the company attorney; their accountant is Ms. Ruth Ellington; their techhie is Nosuke Koyama. They put on a very "religious front" (which is always a red flag). I have several friends who have invested with them and they have been credited with interest payments daily. Thank You

Read more: What is the street address and phone number for "Profitable - JustAnswer http://www.justanswer.com/fraud-examiner/72i86-street-address-phone-number-profitable.html#ixzz2DrTUqMS3"

A member name that appears to be closely connected to the owners is Dr. Goddie Ude (http:// drgoddie .com/profitable-sunrise/ ).

2% to 3% per day IS usury (and I thought my credit card companies were crooks!!) They are using STP, bank wire transfers (of course!!), EGO Pay, Liberty Reserve and Perfect Money for transactions.

If you do a Google street level look at their "office," there's not much to see for a multi-million dollar enterprise.

The website, profitable sunrise .com, is about as unprofessional as I've ever seen. Other sites owned by Roman Novak: Ice-dollar .com, Money Gator.net

Anybody know if this is being investigated by law enforcement, yet?

Originally Posted by klagoosh

Has anyone here done any research on something called Profitable Sunrise?

I have already warned a good friend away from it after going inside for a look.

klagoosh,

When any program/hyip is 'reviewed' (and I use that term loosely) HERE you can be sure it is a SCAM. Amanda & KB are well-known PIMPS in the hyip/scam industry...they will pimp anything that comes down the pike. You can tell your friends that the beginning of the end is coming for Profitable Sunrise.

Sadly, the people behind this claim to be Christians, and like to throw in a Bible verse here and there to make it look nice (if you can possibly say there is ANYTHING nice looking about the horribly amateurish site.)

Amanda & company could care less. Whatever it takes to suck people into 'joining' using their 'ref links'...

Anybody know if this is being investigated by law enforcement, yet?

No, but if anyone decides to go forward with this...please, please 'refer' them to 'Amanda's' site: HERE

Originally Posted by Nancetta

klagoosh,

When any program/hyip is 'reviewed' (and I use that term loosely) HERE you can be sure it is a SCAM. Amanda & KB are well-known PIMPS in the hyip/scam industry...they will pimp anything that comes down the pike. You can tell your friends that the beginning of the end is coming for Profitable Sunrise.


Amanda & company could care less. Whatever it takes to suck people into 'joining' using their 'ref links'...



No, but if anyone decides to go forward with this...please, please 'refer' them to 'Amanda's' site: HERE

Thank you for the information, Nancetta, and for that link, which I will add to the file.

Profitable Sunrise appears to be growing. I am paid daily on time. Made my first withdrawal, paid in under 10 minutes to STP. At this juncture, there is no empirical evidence for cynacism. The question is, does Roman Novak really do bridge loans? Like any lender, he will not breach the confidentiality of his clients, by revealing their names. I will put myself on a limb, and say - In 2013, Profitable Sunrise will dominate the HYIP world.

Originally Posted by Myriad Force

Profitable Sunrise appears to be growing. I am paid daily on time. Made my first withdrawal, paid in under 10 minutes to STP.

Welcome to REALSCAM.com Myriad Force,

With the greatest respect, Myriad Force, but if the main criteria you use in deciding whether or not an online "opportunity" is a fraud are "I got paid" "I got paid on time" and "there is no empirical evidence" then I can confidently predict a very short, costly and painful investment career ahead of you in 2013.

I really don't know how you think "fraud" works, particularly 'net based HYIP ponzi fraud, BUT, it would be a pretty poorly run fraud, indeed, if the victims DIDN'T get paid on time and there WAS easily found "empirical evidence"


Unfortunately, your criteria for determining the status of a HYIP ponzi "opportunity" are guaranteed to part you from your money in double quick time.

Hence, one of us could be considered a False Prophet.

To be continued..

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Welcome to REALSCAM.com Myriad Force,

With the greatest respect, Myriad Force, but if the main criteria you use in deciding whether or not an online "opportunity" is a fraud are "I got paid" "I got paid on time" and "there is no empirical evidence" then I can confidently predict a very short, costly and painful investment career ahead of you in 2013.

I really don't know how you think "fraud" works, particularly 'net based HYIP ponzi fraud, BUT, it would be a pretty poorly run fraud, indeed, if the victims DIDN'T get paid on time and there WAS easily found "empirical evidence"


Unfortunately, your criteria for determining the status of a HYIP ponzi "opportunity" are guaranteed to part you from your money in double quick time.

Dear Sir,
As an administrator, aren't you supposed to be neutral?? Myriad has his money invested in Profitable Sunrise. It's not your money. It is his money. So if he is getting paid, he is getting paid. What's your problem?? If you have money invested in PS and have lost it, let us know, and we will not invest in PS. I strongly believe that I should listen to people who have come out of a bad experience and refrain from investing. I do not believe in listening to people who say such and such is a scam, without having lost a penny in it. If there is anyone here who has invested in PS and lost money, let him talk and I will be the most humble person and walk away from PS. But on the other hand if you have not invested and just talking just because you happen to have a mouth or fingers to type, you warrant nobody's attention. Don't give that crap about " I dug deep and found out....". You found out nothing. People, just look around. I am very much in favor of this site and this admin who is doing a great service to people who might lose money. I respect that. But at the same time keep away for speculations and false predictions. All HYIPs are good till today. Nobody knows about it tomorrow. Nobody and I mean nobody, not me, not this admin. PS has paid thus far, PS is good thus far. Tomorrow? I don't know. Anybody here who as much as tries to say that they know better about the future, are just jackasses looking for attention. If you have to talk about scam, talk about ProfitClicking where I didn't get my withdrawal out for two months, or WCA who are playing around with their smokescreens aka "web conference". Guys be truthful and save people who come here on this good site by exposing the real scams. Not imaginary ones.

Originally Posted by Skeptic

Dear Sir,
As an administrator, aren't you supposed to be neutral?? Myriad has his money invested in Profitable Sunrise. It's not your money. It is his money. So if he is getting paid, he is getting paid. What's your problem?? If you have money invested in PS and have lost it, let us know, and we will not invest in PS. I strongly believe that I should listen to people who have come out of a bad experience and refrain from investing. I do not believe in listening to people who say such and such is a scam, without having lost a penny in it. If there is anyone here who has invested in PS and lost money, let him talk and I will be the most humble person and walk away from PS. But on the other hand if you have not invested and just talking just because you happen to have a mouth or fingers to type, you warrant nobody's attention. Don't give that crap about " I dug deep and found out....". You found out nothing. People, just look around. I am very much in favor of this site and this admin who is doing a great service to people who might lose money. I respect that. But at the same time keep away for speculations and false predictions. All HYIPs are good till today. Nobody knows about it tomorrow. Nobody and I mean nobody, not me, not this admin. PS has paid thus far, PS is good thus far. Tomorrow? I don't know. Anybody here who as much as tries to say that they know better about the future, are just jackasses looking for attention. If you have to talk about scam, talk about ProfitClicking where I didn't get my withdrawal out for two months, or WCA who are playing around with their smokescreens aka "web conference". Guys be truthful and save people who come here on this good site by exposing the real scams. Not imaginary ones.

It appears that you have swallowed, hook, line, and sinker, the logical fallacy that paying equals legitimacy.
Might I remind you that one of the hallmarks of a Ponzi scheme is that they do pay, and well, for the majority of their existence? This does not mean that they are honest or legal.

Originally Posted by Skeptic

Dear Sir,
As an administrator, aren't you supposed to be neutral?? Myriad has his money invested in Profitable Sunrise. It's not your money. It is his money. So if he is getting paid, he is getting paid. What's your problem?? If you have money invested in PS and have lost it, let us know, and we will not invest in PS. I strongly believe that I should listen to people who have come out of a bad experience and refrain from investing. I do not believe in listening to people who say such and such is a scam, without having lost a penny in it. If there is anyone here who has invested in PS and lost money, let him talk and I will be the most humble person and walk away from PS. But on the other hand if you have not invested and just talking just because you happen to have a mouth or fingers to type, you warrant nobody's attention. Don't give that crap about " I dug deep and found out....". You found out nothing. People, just look around. I am very much in favor of this site and this admin who is doing a great service to people who might lose money. I respect that. But at the same time keep away for speculations and false predictions. All HYIPs are good till today. Nobody knows about it tomorrow. Nobody and I mean nobody, not me, not this admin. PS has paid thus far, PS is good thus far. Tomorrow? I don't know. Anybody here who as much as tries to say that they know better about the future, are just jackasses looking for attention. If you have to talk about scam, talk about ProfitClicking where I didn't get my withdrawal out for two months, or WCA who are playing around with their smokescreens aka "web conference". Guys be truthful and save people who come here on this good site by exposing the real scams. Not imaginary ones.

In among all of that rationalization and justification, there's a very important lesson to be learned.

Like it or not, there exists a increasingly large sub strata of society whose members genuinely believe it's OK to take advantage of others.

Who genuinely do believe as long as "they get theirs", everybody else can go jump in the lake.

IOW, when it comes to HYIP ponzis and the HYIP ponzi "industry" the Law of the Jungle is alive and well.

You spelled 'profit' wrong. Not surprising.

Daily interest payment usually comes in between 9:06amCST and 9:18amCST, today it was 9:14amCST. No matter how Whip wants to spell Prophet or Profit, the underlying theme is that growing number in my bank account. The proof is in the pudding, honey:


Good Day,

We are happy to inform you that a new daily interest payment has been made.

Total interest amount - USD56.78

Interest amount under Private Plan - USD0.17

The above amount has been added to the principal amount.

Interest amount under Long Haul Plan - USD56.61

The above amount has been added to the principal amount.

We are doing our best to safely increase your savings and make you a happier person.

We are here to help you with anything and provide answers to all of the questions you may have.

Have a Blessed Day,

Roman Novak,
Founder
Profitable Sunrise

Originally Posted by Myriad Force

Daily interest payment usually comes in between 9:06amCST and 9:18amCST, today it was 9:14amCST. No matter how Whip wants to spell Prophet or Profit, the underlying theme is that growing number in my bank account. The proof is in the pudding, honey:


Good Day,

We are happy to inform you that a new daily interest payment has been made.

Total interest amount - USD56.78

Interest amount under Private Plan - USD0.17

The above amount has been added to the principal amount.

Interest amount under Long Haul Plan - USD56.61

The above amount has been added to the principal amount.

We are doing our best to safely increase your savings and make you a happier person.

We are here to help you with anything and provide answers to all of the questions you may have.

Have a Blessed Day,

Roman Novak,
Founder
Profitable Sunrise

That's only 'growing numbers on a screen' but you already knew that. Can't have your marks know the real deal or they won't drop coin.

[QUOTE=Whip;37720]That's only 'growing numbers on a screen' but you already knew that. Can't have your marks know the real deal or they won't drop coin.[/QUOTEbab]

I am also in the Private Plan, in which I have done one withdrawal into my Solid Trust Pay account, merely to test the system. Guess what, I was paid in under ten minutes, just like others have heraled on the money forums. Of course (as is often the case with detractors), no-one queried the Myriad Force on that. That's OK, it's still a mortal world.

Could it be a Ponzi? Maybe. It's all the roll of the dice. We must embrace the mystery and always allow for anomalies.

To be filled with desire is to be empty, to be empty of desire is to be filled with the mystery - Tao De Ching

[QUOTE=Myriad Force;37741]

Originally Posted by Whip

That's only 'growing numbers on a screen' but you already knew that. Can't have your marks know the real deal or they won't drop coin.[/QUOTEbab]

I am also in the Private Plan, in which I have done one withdrawal into my Solid Trust Pay account, merely to test the system. Guess what, I was paid in under ten minutes, just like others have heraled on the money forums. Of course (as is often the case with detractors), no-one queried the Myriad Force on that. That's OK, it's still a mortal world.

Could it be a Ponzi? Maybe. It's all the roll of the dice. We must embrace the mystery and always allow for anomalies.(my bold

To be filled with desire is to be empty, to be empty of desire is to be filled with the mystery - Tao De Ching

No honey, its not in the roll of the dice and it's not a mystery - it's in the Math and that says it's a ponzi.

“The truth is not always beautiful, nor beautiful words the truth.”― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

and on the subject of greed "

“When there is no desire,all things are at peace.”
― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

[QUOTE=Lil Ol' Radical Me;37763]

Originally Posted by Myriad Force

No honey, its not in the roll of the dice and it's not a mystery - it's in the Math and that says it's a ponzi.

“The truth is not always beautiful, nor beautiful words the truth.”― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching


and on the subject of greed "

“When there is no desire,all things are at peace.”
― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

Lets not be abstract shall we, lets isolate the issue. You say the Ponzi is in the math - is it that the numbers in the compounding become impossible for you to believe? Profitable Sunrise will become a closed investment society at 1.5 billion, currently they are around 400 to 600 million. The demand for Bridge Financing is growing as the banks are tightening up, once Profitable Sunrise is a multi-billion dollar entity they can diversify into other market sectors and create other sources of revenue. Also, Roman Novak clearly states on the PS site that they have the right to change the interest rate earned based on the movements of the market. Currently, most are earning 2.15 per day, I am sure most of us would not complain if the rate was lowered to 1.2% per day for example.

Ultimately, the entire international economy is a big ponzi and to keep it going new companies and sectors are created, some win and some lose. At the moment, I enjoy watching the Profitable Sunrise detractors having no empirical evidence for detracting, other than comparing them to other HYIP's.

Profitable Sunrise is a different animal, and will be a force to be reckoned with. What can I say, I am a believer.

Time will tell..distance is the long-range filter.

Originally Posted by Roman Novak

Interest amount under Long Haul Plan - USD56.61

Which you can't access for 240 days.

No matter how Whip wants to spell Prophet or Profit, the underlying theme is that growing number in my bank account. The proof is in the pudding, honey:

Can you say "gains from an illegal enterprise"? (honey)

Originally Posted by Myriad Force

Could it be a Ponzi? Maybe. It's all the roll of the dice. We must embrace the mystery and always allow for anomalies.

Did you ever have a dice shut up shop and run away with your money in the middle of a "roll" ???

Did a dice ever lie to you and pretend it wasn't a dice or that it was something else, other than a dice ???

Play HYIP ponzis if you like, it's your money and your time.

But, please don't insult our intelligence and expect us to believe a single word of your deep and meaningful justifications for doing so.

"We must embrace the mystery and always allow for anomalies" indeed.

Gimme a break.

I've seen more sincere messages inside Christmas crackers AND at least I got a whistle and a hat.

Originally Posted by Myriad Force

Profitable Sunrise will become a closed investment society at 1.5 billion, currently they are around 400 to 600 million.

No, you have been TOLD they have 400 to 600 million. You don't KNOW anything.

The fact they SAY they have 400 to 600 million is not the same as seeing for yourself they have 400 to 600 million.

Think about it, a fraudster is hardly likely to admit he doesn't have any money is he ??

If the mere fact someone you have never met and have never even heard of tells you something is good enough "proof' for you, then lots of luck in your new found career in "investing"

Originally Posted by littleroundman

No, you have been TOLD they have 400 to 600 million. You don't KNOW anything.

The fact they SAY they have 400 to 600 million is not the same as seeing for yourself they have 400 to 600 million.

Think about it, a fraudster is hardly likely to admit he doesn't have any money is he ??

If the mere fact someone you have never met and have never even heard of tells you something is good enough "proof' for you, then lots of luck in your new found career in "investing"

This you are correct on. Nanci Jo Frazer and other group leaders who talk to Roman Novak personally are conveying the figures, I happen to trust Nanci. What I trust even more is the Empirical Evidence of the returns to my Solid Trust Pay account.

All the detractors of Profitable Sunrise have zero proof for their cynicism. These are mortals that are either jealous or have a pattern of thriving on cynicism. I see tonight (Christmas Eve) Realscam.com is first on the leader board on Google when you type in Profitable Sunrise. So to all those viewing this site, here is some wisdom, if you are interested in Profitable Sunrise as an investment, only play with your risk money. The detractors have no proof that Profitable Sunrise is a scam, and those of us in it, are being paid daily into our back office. And more importantly, when we make withdrawals into our payment processors, the money usually shows up within an hour.

Now that you've described a HYIP ponzi perfectly, why not come right out and say it ??

Why do we need to go through all this "Novak this" and "Nanci Jo Frazer" that B/S ???

Why not say

"Look, this is round 1 of a HYIP ponzi game. If you know what you're getting into and you still decide to go ahead, it's up to you.
If you DON'T know what a HYIP ponzi game is, go to the Talkgold HYIP ponzi forum or the MMG HYIP ponzi forum and look. If you STILL decide to go ahead after doing that, then you're on your own"

Profitable Sunrise website

QUESTION: who can spot one verifiable "fact" on that page which would encourage them to send off their hard earned to "Roman" ??

QUESTION: if "Profitable Sunrise" have been in the "short term loan" business for 6 years, why do they suddenly need "investors" ??

QUESTION: if "Profitable Sunrise" itself uses the word "investors" where's the documentation and the approvals from the S.E.C. et al allowing them to solicit donations from the public ??

QUESTION: who are the "charities" and why are there no clearly displayed tax exemption numbers

who can spot one verifiable "fact" on that page which would encourage them to send off their hard earned to "Roman" ??
The fact is I know people making a living off of PS, and after test a withdrawal request, was paid in under 10 minutes.
QUESTION: if "Profitable Sunrise" have been in the "short term loan" business for 6 years, why do they suddenly need "investors" ??
Roman Novak is a Christian on a mission to help others, he is doing so by "letting" them invest. QUESTION: if "Profitable Sunrise" itself uses the word "investors" where's the documentation and the approvals from the S.E.C. et al allowing them to solicit donations from the public ??
To much red-tape in the USA, the SEC does not guarantee investors will not lose money, they are unelected homo-sapiens that work for the establishment. Roman licensed Inter Reef in UK to avoid the blender. I for one will hold my earnings in an off-shore bank account,and only deposit weekly into the states what I need. I have no intention of giving up my fifth amendment right to not prosecute myself by filling out unconstitutional tax-forms.
QUESTION: who are the "charities" and why are there no clearly displayed tax exemption numbers
We can give to the charity of our choosing, no-one is forcing us to give.

Poor young Myriad Force is about to get a very rude and expensive lesson on how HYIP ponzis work.

Of course it's "paying"

What, do you really think Profitable Sunrise is going to take peoples' money and run away immediately ???

That's how a HYIP ponzi works, you silly little "investor".

They get you in, take your money, pay you a pittance, get your trust and THEN run away with the money.

Tell us, Myriad, how many days will Profitable Sunrise have your money before you can get your "seed" money back ???

Remember, at only 1% per DAY, it will take 100 days before you see one cent of profit.

Anyone who trusts a HYIP ponzi will last at least 100 days has a serious lesson coming to them.

Geez, at least read up on what how a ponzi works before you come on here sounding like some fresh faced kid playing HYIPs on his laptop, will you ???

Originally Posted by littleroundman

Poor young Myriad Force is about to get a very rude and expensive lesson on how HYIP ponzis work.

Of course it's "paying"

What, do you really think Profitable Sunrise is going to take peoples' money and run away immediately ???

That's how a HYIP ponzi works, you silly little "investor".

They get you in, take your money, pay you a pittance, get your trust and THEN run away with the money.

Tell us, Myriad, how many days will Profitable Sunrise have your money before you can get your "seed" money back ???

Remember, at only 1% per DAY, it will take 100 days before you see one cent of profit.

Anyone who trusts a HYIP ponzi will last at least 100 days has a serious lesson coming to them.

Geez, at least read up on what how a ponzi works before you come on here sounding like some fresh faced kid playing HYIPs on his laptop, will you ???

As stated previously, Profitable Sunrise has been soaring for over a year now online (doing bridge financing since 2009), completing three 170 day cycles. If rolling the dice with them is going to take food off your kitchen table, DON'T DO IT!!! But if you have some risk capital, it is the best thing on the Internet right now. If you know of a better program, do tell.

Again, the naysayers of Profitable Sunrise have zero empirical evidence.