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Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
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Originally Posted by
littleroundman
Umm, it's called
"irony" truthloldotcom.
It's about taking an absurdity and making it more absurd.
If Fendaril or you or anyone else wants to play HYIP ponzis, fine.
It's your money and your choice.
HOWEVER, if anyone wants to come her to
REALSCAM.com and claim Profitable Sunrise or any other HYIP ponzi is "real" or that Roman Novak is genuine, then, he/she stands to be ridiculed and the absurdity of what they're saying pointed out.
What we are saying, truthloldotcom, is that if "Fendaril" is so convinced Profitable Sunrise is "real" then why not sell the farm and "invest" it with Profitable Sunrise.
If you find what we said to be absurd, then we have done our job.
i can dig it ;)
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Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
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Originally Posted by
Finix
Don't you have any sympathy for them? It's a normal human response to the fate of people who were deceived, betrayed by the people they trusted, etc.
you have to finish the quote to really get my full thought on that one ;) i was saying IM SURRISED based on how you guys treat Fenderil who is actually approaching the ponzi scheme with a level head unlike those who yall show sympathy for simply cause they be the house on it .... which imo has nothing to do with a ponzi scheme ... that same person would bet the house if they seen an angle on the stock market or gambling which are legal begal ways to flip money here in america .... maybe folks should check the suicide rate @ those venues ... just cause its legal dont make it right .... and just cause it illegal dont mean its wrong ........ yall are following rules made by man ......
and by any means dont take this as me cosigning ponzi schemes .... IJS ... sometimes you gotta think outside the box ...
but in this world theres always 2 sides of the coin ... which is why i stayed away from criminal acts ...................... and focus more on legit hustles cause the other side of that coin is just competition which im willing to deal with LOL ;)
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Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
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Originally Posted by
Fendaril
Yeah I always found the comparison to me and gunpoint robbery pretty comical.
That is stealing through fear and intimidation. There is no intimidation in this, nor is there any 'force'. No, no physical force, just stealing through lying, which is fraud, which is also a criminal offense
Besides people on here are disillusioned, they have extensive expertise in things such as loans and finance, and probably could get jobs as professors and top managers. They have seen it all.
But in my limited expertise I know there is no other HYIP like profitable sunrise available right now, and there never was anything this big online. Your expertise is very limited if you think this is anything new. It's just more of the same old same old (there is always a new twist on the next scheme out) and, as already commented, it isn't even that big
Even if I don't get $1,000,000 back, I can wish, or at the bare minimum get something back. If you are happy in the knowledge that the money comes from someone who loses theirs, then that is for you to deal with. There are plenty of people without financial expertise who are happy to earn their money honestly, even if it means hard work
I wonder how big of a check EagleAssociation would get in reward money for the heads of PS. I see potential on this thread in the future.
if you go on EagleAssociation.com you will see that there is a whole profitable business on which the founder has been featured on numerous talk shows.
There is a commission over Roman's head. Duh, have you never heard of a Non Profit organization?
Fendaril, you can try to justify your participation in this latest HYIP scheme any which way you wish, but it will not change the fact that you have chosen to participate in an illegal ponzi scheme run and promoted by people who make a lot of money by defrauding others out of their hard earned cash.
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Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
but im not here to bicker and argue back n forth ... i just really wanted to shout Fend out ... and get some info on these ponzis ... cause @ the end of the day we all have an opinion .... and opinion are like ........ well yall know the rest ... we could do this all day ... peace and do what yall do keep exposing these decievers ....!!
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Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
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Originally Posted by
truthloldotcom
my friend my friend ... yes casinos and stock markets are legal begal ... but they are far from fair ... esecially casinos ... just because the FLESH OF A MAN says it legal dont mak it right .... and just cause a MAN OF FLESH says its ILLEGAL dont make it wrong ... IJS ..................
and once again this isnt me cosigning ponzis ......
IJS .... dont say its illegal cause someone told you it is .. its just wrong because like yall say somene is trying to decieve ... casinos decieve and people have been decieved on the stock markets as well ..... there have been suicides in all 3 of these arenas .......................... the only difference is the gov says one is legal and the others arent ...................................
stop acting like wall st hasnt been under major scrutiny but because the gov gets paid off of it ... its not as easy to shut down like lets say a ponzi scheme LOL because why ... the gov aint seeing no chips from it ;)
The prime differences between a ponzi scheme and casinos and stock market speculation is that the former is based on the lie that it is a real business and the latter two are quite clear that they are games of chance (with or without expertise) with no guarantees.
As for Wall Street's immunity from prosecution - that is a whole different story and something of a red herring, as far as discussion of Profitable Sunrise is concerned. There we are talking about illegalities carried out within a fundamentally legal system and is an economic/political debate that is beyond the brief of this forum.
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Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
[QUOTE=Myriad Force;37838]
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Originally Posted by
Lil Ol' Radical Me
Lets not be abstract shall we, lets isolate the issue. You say the Ponzi is in the math - is it that the numbers in the compounding become impossible for you to believe? Profitable Sunrise will become a closed investment society at 1.5 billion, currently they are around 400 to 600 million. The demand for Bridge Financing is growing as the banks are tightening up, once Profitable Sunrise is a multi-billion dollar entity they can diversify into other market sectors and create other sources of revenue. Also, Roman Novak clearly states on the PS site that they have the right to change the interest rate earned based on the movements of the market. Currently, most are earning 2.15 per day, I am sure most of us would not complain if the rate was lowered to 1.2% per day for example.
Ultimately, the entire international economy is a big ponzi and to keep it going new companies and sectors are created, some win and some lose. At the moment, I enjoy watching the Profitable Sunrise detractors having no empirical evidence for detracting, other than comparing them to other HYIP's.
Profitable Sunrise is a different animal, and will be a force to be reckoned with. What can I say, I am a believer.
Time will tell..distance is the long-range filter.
definitely right but as of right now history is not playing in your favor ... im def watching ... with a bowl of popcorn lol ... alot of smiles could turn into frowns ... but honestly im hoping PS actually wins cause its something alot of folks could use ... but damn too good to be true ....... smh ..... crosses fingers for yall lol ;)
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Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
Get your quotes right sweetie - the above post is one of the ramblings of our "christian " chum Myriad Force, in response to the following!
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No honey, its not in the roll of the dice and it's not a mystery - it's in the Math and that says it's a ponzi.
“The truth is not always beautiful, nor beautiful words the truth.”― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching
and on the subject of greed "
“When there is no desire,all things are at peace.”
― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching
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Originally Posted by
truthloldotcom
definitely right but as of right now history is not playing in your favor ... im def watching ... with a bowl of popcorn lol ... alot of smiles could turn into frowns ... but honestly im hoping PS actually wins cause its something alot of folks could use ... but damn too good to be true ....... smh ..... crosses fingers for yall lol ;)
The sooner the Profitable Sunrise's of this are treated as what they are - crooked schemes run by crooked people - and run out of town, the better. Sordid money games like this will never make anyone other than the founders and chums rich and will never help to build up a stable economy or provide jobs.
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Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
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Originally Posted by
Lil Ol' Radical Me
Get your quotes right sweetie - the above post is one of the ramblings of our "christian " chum Myriad Force, in response to the following!
The sooner the Profitable Sunrise's of this are treated as what they are - crooked schemes run by crooked people - and run out of town, the better. Sordid money games like this will never make anyone other than the founders and chums rich and will never help to build up a stable economy or provide jobs.
So what are real ways to make a daily percentage back on an invested principal, that's legal and accessible to average folks that ISN't a scam that will last longer then PS.
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Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
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Originally Posted by
truthloldotcom
yall are following rules made by man
The rich make the rules for the poor and the fools, yes. They have the power to enforce those rules, too. But this is too general, my friend. It's not like PS is following the divine laws.
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Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
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Originally Posted by
Fendaril
So what are real ways to make a daily percentage back on an invested principal, that's legal and accessible to average folks that ISN't a scam that will last longer then PS.
There aren't any legal ways to make the returns PS offers. There are plenty of illegal ways to make these types of returns that are not scams, but why would the criminals share their money with you?
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Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
Stros posted at MMG that there were no "red flags" yet with PS. I almost swallowed my gum, but I realized it is Stros posting. There are never any red flags until there are payment issues or server issues according to Stros or any of the other major pimps of these Ponzi's. I don't think he will like my response, or anyone else in PS for that matter. :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol: :RpS_lol:
Most of them have no clue just how soon there will be a ton of "other" red flags waving for all to see.
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Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
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Originally Posted by
EagleOne
Most of them have no clue just how soon there will be a ton of "other" red flags waving for all to see.
For the first time in recent memory, I beg to differ with Lynn.
IMHO, "most of them" (including RealScam's own resident synthetic narcotic) know perfectly well that Profitable Sunrise is a ponzi that will soon collapse. They keep up the pretense so that they can continue to draw out the bucks. They need cash infusions from the new marks in order to do that. After all, if everyone starts writing that PS will soon dry up and the "admins" will run off with whatever is left, even the lame and the halt who contribute will have second thoughts.
Good thieves can't have that.
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Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
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Originally Posted by
wserra
IMHO, "most of them" (including RealScam's own resident synthetic narcotic) know perfectly well that Profitable Sunrise is a ponzi that will soon collapse.
I think you underestimate the proportion of MMG members who know perfectly well what they doing. I don't think there is a single MMG member who at the very least doesn't suspect the truth.
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Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
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Originally Posted by
Finix
I think you underestimate the proportion of MMG members who know perfectly well what they doing. I don't think there is a single MMG member who at the very least doesn't suspect the truth.
Hmm. Dont confuse the posters and signed up members with those who simply go there to read without commenting, or even joining. There are far more people influenced on forums that members and posters, including this one.
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Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
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Originally Posted by
Lil Ol' Radical Me
Dont confuse the posters and signed up members with those who simply go there to read without commenting, or even joining.
I wasn't talking about those. They can read that the section has the word "HYIP" in it, look up the meaning of the word if they don't know what it is and get the hell outta there. Unless they want to have a future in the industry, there is no reason to look any further.
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Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
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Originally Posted by
wserra
For the first time in recent memory, I beg to differ with Lynn.
IMHO, "most of them" (including RealScam's own resident synthetic narcotic) know perfectly well that Profitable Sunrise is a ponzi that will soon collapse. They keep up the pretense so that they can continue to draw out the bucks. They need cash infusions from the new marks in order to do that. After all, if everyone starts writing that PS will soon dry up and the "admins" will run off with whatever is left, even the lame and the halt who contribute will have second thoughts.
Good thieves can't have that.
I told my recruiter through email that PS was going to dry up and he shouldn't put more than 1/4 of his tax return in. He already had to look for a job because profitclicking started slowing down post merge.
He responds the same day or within an hour when I e-mail him. When I sent him that warning I never got a response back. Either he doesn't believe me, or he knows I am right.
What a waste of $5,000. I wish he would have given it to me.
Nobody seems to take advice when they want to be right. I'd advise everyone investing in PS to put in small sums just in case.
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Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
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Originally Posted by
Fendaril
He already had to look for a job because profitclicking started slowing down post merge.
Tell him to put PS promotion on his resume. :P
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Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
My group is at $10,000,000. A 1 million growth in only a matter of days.
How much air can you put into a balloon before it explodes?
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Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
Even if Romick pays you, how are you going to move such amounts without someone noticing? He has a plan in place for that, do you?
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Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
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Originally Posted by
Finix
Even if Romick pays you, how are you going to move such amounts without someone noticing? He has a plan in place for that, do you?
I won't use the money right away, I will wait until I find out for sure PS is illegal and than pay it back in full if it was.
The money is just a nice help, not something I really need. Like I have said many times if PS crashes and burns I will be upset and than move on.
If I get paid and the authorities get involved I will just have to pay it back and any restitution. I don't want anyone to get hurt.
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Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
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Originally Posted by
Fendaril
I won't use the money right away
Which one of these do you trust you to keep it for you?
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We accept payments via Liberty Reserve, Perfect Money, SolidTrust Pay
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Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
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Originally Posted by
Finix
Which one of these do you trust you to keep it for you?
You can do bank wires.
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Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
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Originally Posted by
Fendaril
My group is at $10,000,000. A 1 million growth in only a matter of days.
How much air can you put into a balloon before it explodes?
Due to dollar amount, I am guessing you are part of John Shepcoff's group instead of Nanci Jo Frazer. I say that because MyriadForce said Nancy Jo's group has surpassed $11 Million some time back. Or are you part of another group, and which one?
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Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
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Originally Posted by
Fendaril
You can do bank wires.
Don't forget to give them all of your passwords and PIN numbers. It will make their lives a lot easier.
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Re: Profitable Sunrise HYIP - Has anybody dug through it yet?
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Originally Posted by
EagleOne
Due to dollar amount, I am guessing you are part of John Shepcoff's group instead of Nanci Jo Frazer. I say that because MyriadForce said Nancy Jo's group has surpassed $11 Million some time back. Or are you part of another group, and which one?
Some guy named Chris L.