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Hi,
I am one of the Spanish members of Sunrise in Spain.
I will not go into justifying why or who. I will simply tell you what we have done in a group of members in our line:
Facts: we have sent our money to companies sited in Prague, Czech Republic. The companies name are Fortune SRO and Meland Company SRO. Both registered in the Public Registry of the Ministry of Justice in Prague.
These societies are composed by 6 members and one President who resides in St. Petersburg, Russia. All these documents can be retrieved for free.
The Novak brothers are not members of these societies.
The actions:
We have gone to our banks and requested "retrocession of the funds delivered" on the grounds of "failing to comply with contract" (request the return of the amount delivered). Initially, the bank will say no "since the client has already received the money". However we insisted on filling up the request which they agreed. The object of this is to have a document in our hands beyond the simple deposit receipts to be acknowledged as creditors of these companies in case of resolution.
Some of our deposits date from January this year but they still accepted the request, since the money is retained by the police in Czech accounts too as they reported.
Another arm that could be developed is the following: We were not given a certificate of insurance for the amount deposited as stated in the Website information. It could be an interesting tool to seek refund of the amount deposited for Profitable Sunrise based on those policies (if anybody knows the name of the involved Insurance Company).
I hope this helps us all to recover our investment.
Jorge Oyanedel
Spain
The chances of a HYIP ponzi fraud having a "real" insurance policy with a "real" company would be less than zero.Originally Posted by qdevit
IM(very)HO, victims are going to have to accept that NOTHING about Profitable Sunrise was as was presented.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing
Hmm, I was told a couple weeks ago by my bank that because the SEC and US Courts have frozen all of Profitable Sunrise accounts, they (the banks) have no authority to release our funds if requested (they tried and were denied because of this). I did see in the recent SEC court docket that an individual is listed as a movant and has asked the COURT to release his $57,000 from the Czech banks. I believe the court scheduled a hearing for that request sometime in May. And, Profitable Sunrise had no insurance - that is outlined in the SEC complaint. Our only hope is the SEC is able to identify those who lost money in Profitable Sunrise, recover as much of the funds left sitting in the Czech banks, and come up with a fair way to disperse those funds to the victims. Alternatively, you could try to go after the person who solicited you into Profitable Sunrise by filing a civil suit or hope the feds will elect the clawback clause. Nanci Jo Frazer was able to term her 170 day period, so she may have some money for us. John Schepcoff brought in a bunch of people so he has some commission money under his mattress too.
Hmm, Jorge, are you kidding?
why would you even think it might have been insured?
There is nobody in the world who would insure HYIP investments, unless it is another scammer.
Money frozen overseas is for all practical purposes beyond US recovery. The money will be seized by the countries where it's located and any refunds will be limited to members in the country where it's located. There are exceptions to this, but none here that I see. One of the many problems is you sent your money to Interreef and then interreef sent it on to the companies that had it when the funds were frozen. It's called money laundering and every time the money moves it gets harder to refund it backwards especially across international borders.
Most people just don't realize how a Ponzi scheme works and that their money is in the hand of someone else and just a small amount is left. In my opinion it is a waste of time to do what was described by qdevit. If authorities are able to recover anything you will get to know it soon enough.
But, but, but, but, but Nancy Jo Frazer, Ralph Yerkes, John Schepcoff, Tony Infante, Chris Lombardi, Martin Sipe, Owen Brown, Dave Steckel, Don Gillette, Pete Cameron, Dr. Goddie Ude, Dr. Lieven van Neste, Nigel Band all said this was insured. Then we had Ken Russo telling us that Roman Novak was the most honest admin he has ever known (but then he says that about every admin of every Ponzi that he has been in and it is over 100), along with Faith Sloan what a Godly man Roman was, you mean they ALL LIED?
EagleOne
Author: "Robbing You With A Keyboard Instead Of A Gun - Cyber Crime How They Do It" available in soft cover and eBook at Amazon.com
Of course not, they don't know how much are you really supposed to get. Any accounting figures you got is fiction.
Yet scams are already out claiming to offer "fast recovery" of profitable sunrise losses. :D Send money via eWallet.
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A MLM Skeptic (not a Cynic) covering scams, critical thinking, and psychology
http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com
Ken Russo's comments to my comment that PS was a Ponzi and Roman ran with the money @ MMG, and I quote:
"Profitable Sunrise was an awesome program. Wish there were more like it!"
Of course you do Ken, you're a crook and stealing from others is your profession by choice.
EagleOne
Author: "Robbing You With A Keyboard Instead Of A Gun - Cyber Crime How They Do It" available in soft cover and eBook at Amazon.com
I am sorry but I have to disagree with your first sentence. I have two bank wire transactions verifying the amount of my principle loss. If there is ever a recovery process, it would be very easy for me to provide documentation of my loss. I was suckered by the self-proclaimed "financial expert" John Schepcoff to "step up to the plate" and invest as much as I can in the long haul program. I fell for his b.s. while at the same time he was lining his pockets with daily commissions and I was locked in without a withdraw option. But I would agree that the daily compound interest figures shown on the profitable sunrise back office are/were fiction.
My sentence could have been clearer. What I meant to say is what you "put in" you can easily prove. Any amount you "gained" is pure fiction.
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A MLM Skeptic (not a Cynic) covering scams, critical thinking, and psychology
http://amlmskeptic.blogspot.com
Is this guy anyone on the Ponzi Pimp Scene? He is friends with NJF, lucky him.
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The PS page in Facebook is now making claims that it is not connected with ProSun don't think some of the people are buying it.
Joseph Weil Seriously $0 into $700K in 30 days? If that does not smack of impossible and scammy nothing ever will. The owner of the site is hiding their identity that should be all the information anyone needs to keep their money in their pocket.
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E-mail from GIR today
Global Impact Resource Alliance
May 8, 2013
Spring is a time for new beginnings, and we are dedicated to do all that is possible to make our story together a successful one no matter what. We are all realizing it is important for us to make sure all understand the facts we have thus far about Profitable Sunrise and our next steps to recovery. We are also discovering that there are many who do not realize what has occurred. We have a short overview, but if you want to read the details go to our website at Global Impact Resource Alliance Group.
On March 13th, those who chose to participate in Profitable Sunrise ended up being concerned while staring at a blank screen on their computer. We were educated that Profitable Sunrise was the charitable arm of a collateral lenders group... guided by the founder himself, Roman Novak. We observed many before us who verified that the company was performing. Nobody had a clue of the "perfect storm" that was coming and has affected everyone.
THE BEGINNING OF THE PERFECT STORM
Our challenge started when a North Carolina Bank issued a temporary Cease and Desist to Roman Novak and Profitable Sunrise. It was announced for the first time that a State in the US claimed that Profitable Sunrise was selling unregistered securities. That opened a "can of worms" as right away we observed other online marketers creating their own stories about Profitable Sunrise to drive traffic to their sites.
OUR GROUP LEADER CLOSES OUR GROUP FROM NEW REFERRALS
Upon seeing the results of the North Carolina posting, our Group Leader emailed Roman Novak and demanded that he "block" each and every website in our group from being able to sign up any new participants. It was done immediately on March 5th, 2013 (which does not make sense that he would bother if he was really planning on "shutting it down for good" 9 days later).
DID THE SYSTEM ACTUALLY PAY THE DEPOSIT PLUS DAILY INCREASE IN 170 DAYS?
Our Group Leader's 170 business day term had completed on March 9th, 2013, and the original $100 deposit plus the total remaining daily increase gathered and appeared in the "cash available" withdraw section, just as promised. But these funds could not be withdrawn through Solid Trust, as the withdraw feature no longer was active and the account was not yet qualified to do a wire withdraw. Based on the last positive conference-call message with Roman, it was decided to re-enter all of it back in for another 180 business days. All nine months of remaining benefit is still there. The charity was also not able to access $20,000 in donations in the charitable account when the site shut down.
A NEW TERM AND NEW GROUP LEADERSHIP
With the Term ended, it was decided to embrace the entire leadership team with a Group name, "Global Impact Resource Alliance" GIR Alliance. The charity remained as the official charity although no funds were ever received in the USA from the offshore charity account. USA donations to the charity did create jobs, pay off mortgage payments, turn on the heat, feed families, provide online and in- person Bible studies and more... As we have participants representing many faiths and cultures, at no time was the Charity used to entice anyone to Profitable Sunrise, nor did people have to be "Christian" to participate.
WEBSITE NEVER CAME BACK BUT MONEY IS IN THE BANK
On March 6, an email was sent to all ProSun participants from Mr. Novak stating that he would only allow wire transfers so that everything would "comply with the IRS." Since March 11, when leadership had a private conference call to discuss plans for the future (due the recent NC Cease and Desist), Roman assured the group that he had everything under control and gave an overview of his future plans... which included upgrading the servers (which we saw being migrated to China online), increasing website security, hiring new customer support and increasing the amount of support available, assigning three new account managers to assist all of us, and opening a new account at a bank in Hong Kong.
After an email was circulated from what was believed to be ProSun Customer Support, the servers went down and the site did not come back in the stated 48 hours. It seemed to appear that they may have been corrupted by a huge Cyber Bunker virus that swept across Europe and Asia (see website link). At the same time, the European Union attacked the Cyprus banks to pay off their debts. The government of Latfia fell, affecting those banks. Because the website was turned off, a world-wide communication blackout occurred which added more concern and resulted in more states and even countries posting warnings about Profitable Sunrise.
Some speculate that with all that was happening, Roman Novak and his team might have realized that too many factors had mounted against them for continuing with Profitable Sunrise, and they might have just walked away. The good news is that Roman's team left (so far) $ 11 million-plus sitting in the bank accounts...which were frozen by the Federal SEC.
AFTER THE ATLANTA SEC FROZE THE ACCOUNTS OVERSEAS...
The Atlanta Securities and Exchange Commission requested that the holders of the four bank accounts in the Czech Republic and the UK show up in court along with Roman Novak and his brother on the 15th of April. Nobody responded, so they gave an extension of 21 business days after they are served for them to respond to the court. To our knowledge at this time, the subpoenas have not been served.
SHOULD YOU CONTACT YOUR STATE AUTHORITIES AT THIS TIME TO FILE A CLAIM?
The Federal Government, not the State government, has frozen the funds. No funds will be released, reverse wired, or returned without the Federal Government's guidance. Be prepared that they may need to access to your bank accounts and emails and all who spoke with you as a part of their investigation in your state.
SHOULD YOU INSTEAD WAIT FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS GUIDANCE?
Since nobody can get to their resources without the Federal Government outlining a plan on how funds may be returned, we have been advised to be patient and wait for their announcements. Make sure you keep your wire documents and receipts. Visi SEC.gov Document Search and type in Profitable Sunrise.
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It seems like in this "industry" common sense is not all that common!
Who the hell was behind that bullshit newsletter ?
I doubt its Nanci, if she had any brain cell left or have a lawyer, she would keep her mouth shut, and not dig a bigger whole for herself.
All that dogma above about perfect storm, other taking down PS for personal gain, etc.
Yet NO mention bridge loans were total fraud from day 1. Laugh or vomit?
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