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    The latest from the Corporate Official FB page, and I quote:

    "Dusan Torbica
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    Corporate update: 17.09.2019.
    Dear All,
    We reach the point of waiting for approval of ONE. This is the only reason no more updates have been posted in the last 2 weeks. As stated from the authority concerned with our case: they assess each cryptocurrency potentially tradable on the exchange as an ‘individual case’. CDD is a long process and includes online research. Unfortunately, a significant reason for ONE not to be able to build a good name for itself in the media is the endless propaganda against it. Currently, the authority requires two more weeks in order to consider our case. We hope this is not a bad sign.
    Meanwhile, many IMA-s are trying hard to turn the nasty image and to show ONE in a different light. If people keep their eyes open they will be able to see it. Not everyone have the courage to do it and this is understandable. However, if someone is trying their best, we all have to admire their work!"


    Uh the real reason why OC has such a bad name is that its founder is in hiding and a fugitive from justice, co-founder Sebastian Greenwood has pled guilty and made a plea deal by cooperating with the authorities, and the current head is in jail facing the criminal charge of conspiracy to commit wire fraud.

    Funny how those details were left out of this update isn't it.
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    The BBC is about ready to release its series on OneCoin. And just as OC thought they had weathered the storm about negative news stories.

    I wonder when OC will sue them for defamation, extortion, and threats?
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    And the exodus from OC continues. Master Distributor Habib Abdul Rehman / Habib Zahid has resigned from OneLife / OneCoin:

    "Dear OneLife Family I regret to write about my MD position will be not continue from tomorrow. I have loved this project since I joined from 2016. My last expo and event I joined was 6th March in Almighty. I have learned a lot in this journey and been always a believer of great vision. I am not intending to do any other MLM business. Due to my personal circumstances with many surrounding issues, I will not be able to continue and have submitted my resignation."

    Seems Habib Abdul Rehman / Habib Zahid has a short memory as he participated in the OneLife event in Verona in July. What is also interesting is that March 6 is the date Konstantin was arrested. And according to Corporate, it will only be a short while before OC is traded on the exchange.

    Now the question is who's next?
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    Well, the first 2 episodes of the BBC Podcast about OneCoin starts today. Then the following ones will air in the coming weeks. Seems this news isn't being received well with the OC "Official" Corporate Exchange Update FB page. Here's what Dusan Torbica had to about the series, and I quote:

    "Dusan Torbica

    IMPORTANT INFORMATION
    Podcast episodes on BBC UK (BBC NEWS) scheduled to start at 19/09/2019. Introduction episode (trailer) came at 17.09.2019. called: The Missing Crypto Queen.

    OneLife community, IMAs can COMPLAINT against podcast series/programme, if they feel as needed to defend the concept and project for which they did/do marketing and to Other Side of story can been seеn publicly from your point of view.

    STEPS:

    1. Click at BBC - Complaints - Complain Online
    2. Click: Make a complaint
    3. Then in window>>> Have you read our page 'What happens to your complaint?'
    Choose YES after read it and click Next Question
    4. Choose where do you live
    after choosing click next question.
    5. What is your complaint about? Choose BBC NEWS ( TV,RADIO AND WESBITE)
    click next question
    6. Which news service is it about? Choose Radio News
    7. Which radio station is your complaint about? Choose General BBC RADIO
    8. What is the best category to describe your complaint? You can choose OFFENCE
    They will need 10 working day to review complaint, if its not replied within 2 weeks at least, you should fill the form again.
    IF YOU DID NOT COMPLAIN EARLIER, CHOOSE NO FROM DROP MENU.
    9. Briefly explain what is the reason of Complaint.
    In this case it can be like not appropriate content, misleading,false news etc.
    10. Explain in details why You Complain. 2000 charachters maximum.
    Put link where episodes they published and will be published more: BBC Sounds - The Missing Cryptoqueen, Introducing The Missing Cryptoqueen
    11. Do you want to receive a reply? Preferrable to choose YES
    12. Enter your profile information
    13. GO TO REVIEW AND SUBMIT
    These are some of the areas you can cover with your own wordings - please do not copy exactly as it is, because then it won’t be treated as your genuine complaint and could be seen as copy & paste job!
    ——————————-
    The most important points are the following:
    1. Need to be objective and not one sided with interviewing those who are no longer with OC / OLN due to violations & breaches of IMA terms & conditions
    2. Examine those expert’s reports on our blockchain and the company is able to share that when requested officially
    3. Know that with all the past investigations they found no wrong doings
    4. Understand that those who mis-sold our educational packages are punished accordingly and it was their own responsibility to conduct their business lawfully
    5. Worldwide we have created a secure, safe, regulated and much more to prevent unlawful activities with our systems in place
    6. The DealShaker creating a “hub” for cross border marketing of products / payments
    7. OWF charitable work that we are doing since the start and our achievement to date
    8. The biggest OLN community in the world from all different countries and background - truly the ONE family approach regardless of their race, belief or gender (equal chances)
    9. Creating the mass market payments system for all
    10. Bringing the ‘unbanked’ and the ‘underbanked’ to benefit from the next financial revolution
    All the above are what the BBC and the world need to consider before deciding what we really stand for and what OneCoin would offer to the ordinary people without any special training or being an IT expert.
    Note: This complaint are free will of OLN community and only can be done by IMAs if they want to!
    Community Support is always welcome!"


    Never mind "listening' to the podcast, just file the complaint. God forbid they actually listen to the podcast because they might learn something and get educated about the Ponzi they joined.

    It is my understanding the series starts tomorrow. All they have heard so far is the trailer for the series that just started airing today. It would be a hoot for them to file a complaint about the promo for the series. It would totally destroy their claims of the series being not appropriate content, misleading, false news etc. before the series aired.

    Get the idea that OC Corporate is scared crapless about this series being aired?
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    After Habib Abdul Rehman had posted his resignation as Master Distributor of OC, now comes this post from him which has totally confused OC members, and I quote:

    "Habib Abdul Rehman
    September 11 at 8:24 AM
    Habib Planning to Quit like Others did in Past?????
    Haters/Traitors/Scammers talking all colourful on me and writing all funny things......
    How long it takes to deactivate Facebook and change phone number……1 minute?
    100 of big leaders done and today no one talk about them. It means they have habit of forgotten fast. I can do that too...
    Who should be blame for such bad air on social media?
    Paid Haters
    Ex-ONECOIN Employees
    Ex-Onelifers
    Scammers
    WHO .....WHO.....WHO.....???????????
    I can not understand why these people can be so nasty and kill 3.5 million people dream because they are paid haters, or they are professional scammers.
    First of all I am not networker and joined this project 2016. I am not aware of past and even do not want to concern, but yes been always believer and engaged my all family and friend in this project.
    They always claim that company do not have a block chain & coin use-ability
    Let me share why I still support this project when every one knows that there is no networking almost from 1 year, and most work is going on coin use-ability (Dealshaker) and Whole community waiting for exchange.
    Yes 100% Onelife Back Office, Dealshaker and Exchnage platform are on blockchain.
    Dealshaker is blessed platform growing day by day with ONE payment
    One-Academy have amazing educational packages written by experts and can help us to learn how to position financially
    I can prove that with Evidences"


    Anyone figure out exactly what he is saying? My guess is he is still an IMA, just no longer a MD, but that is not totally clear either. Or he is just trying to do a CYA without sounding like he is doing a CYA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EagleOne View Post
    Well, the first 2 episodes of the BBC Podcast about OneCoin starts today. Then the following ones will air in the coming weeks.
    BBC Sounds - The Missing Cryptoqueen - Downloads
    "No one in this world, so far as I know - and I have researched the records for years, and employed agents to help me - has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people" - H. L. Mencken

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    You need to listen to the entire series of this broadcast. It will be time well spent. They are excellently done and you will get educated along the way too.

    Each episode builds on the previous episode which makes you anxious for the next one to air. You will not regret tuning into the podcast.
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    OneCoin has responded to these first 2 episodes. OneCoin’s Head of Marketing, Lyubomira Bozhinova (posts as Victoria Nicola on Official OneCoin Exchange FB page), had this to say, and I quote:

    “The answer from BBC came:
    “We would like to interview one of your representatives for the series…”
    ……………………………………………………………………………….
    “I’d be interested in speaking with one of the merchants on the DealShaker for the series…”
    BBC are expecting a merchant and a person from the company for an interview. They have already prepared 8-part podcast series with information provided by many haters, former employees and sanctioned IMA-s for fraud or T&C violations who chase personal gain.
    I am wondering whether if they should be granted that or we all should laugh out loud. It seems that they need a sacrificial lamb because they have been prejudiced all along and did not look for the truth in a first place.
    ‘Investigative Journalism’ comprises of analysis and review of all relevant facts to the public. Journalism needs to clearly show its key purpose by creating real value and reviewing the facts by telling the real story.
    A ‘fact’ is something that actually exists; reality; truth. The journalist has to use FACTS which are accurate and proven. Fears, competitive struggles, motivations for private or political revenge should be left aside. These rumors which have been spread around about OneLife have no ground or truthful substance.
    BBC should stand for accountability, reliability and high standards. BBC should be guided by accuracy, professional, ethical and moral codes.
    Where are the facts? Where is the other side of this debate?
    You spread accusations BBC! What is worse is that you have plotted it this way!”


    If anyone still had doubts that OC was a Ponzi, her response just proved OC is a Ponzi.
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    BBC's Victoria Derbyshire interviews Onecoin victim Jen McAdam with Jamie Bartlett, producer of "The Missing Cryptoqueen" podcast:

    "No one in this world, so far as I know - and I have researched the records for years, and employed agents to help me - has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people" - H. L. Mencken

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    I know this news is going to come as a shock, but the OC'ers are not taking the BBC Expose too kindly. Their PR machine is out in force (read scared crapless others will watch it and stop believing), and OC released an email exchange between the BBC and OC Sofia. They are a gold mine to read. OC has perfected the art of talking out of both sides of their mouth and arse all at the same time in responding to the BBC email inquiries.

    Now they are urging all OC'ers to file a complaint with the BBC podcast and even provided a template to follow. But now that the first 2 episodes have aired, the true believers are calling out their fellow believers who are not participating. Here is just one example of this call to arms, and I quote:


    "Hello everybody
    I just want to tell the 20 k members that being inactive these days not helping in reporting,sharing,posting positive opinions about ONCOIN everywhere means you are AGAINST the success of the project.
    THIS IS REALITY...
    Not participating means you do not want ONECOIN to succeed.
    SUCCESS OF THE PROJECT AND EXCHANGE depends on your actions NOW . NOW.NOW.
    200 people can't do alone. We need all of you ALLLLLL.
    Please contact your uplines and your teams and incite them to take part in this campaign
    IT IS VERY VERY IMPORTANT TO PARTICIPATE ALL OF YOU.ALLLLLL..
    thank you very much"


    What I found most interesting about the call to arms is they revealed a dismal initial response of complaints to the BBC about the podcast. If you have to "Incite" the members to take action, it means there aren't a lot of believers that have much initiative, desire, or fire to participate in their complaint action; which to be honest is somewhat surprising to me. The amount of hatred that has been built up with the members against all of us "haters" exposing OC for the Ponzi it is, this number should have been in the thousands already. All you had to do was look at all the FB pages that all of us were denigrated in daily, and all the comments of support against us in every one of those FB page groups.

    And just think all of this just from the promo and the first 2 episodes. You can imagine what is in store for the BBC when episodes 3-8 have aired. This is going to be good. Part 3 next week. Can't wait.
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    Here is the email exchange between the BBC and OC:

    BBC:
    Hello, Thank you for your response. We would like to interview one of your representatives for the series if that was possible? Please let us know when would work for you over the next week and we can get something set up. Could you please provide details of the two opinions cited in the response about the blockchain? It would be good to see their reports and speak to them further. Do you have a current date when the exchange will open? I’m also interested to know more about DealShaker – how many merchants are successfully trading on the platform using OneCoin? What are the main goods being traded? I’d be interested in speaking to one of the merchants for DealShaker for the series so please let me know if there is someone I could set up an interview with. Many thanks,


    Onelife:
    Dear Georgia, We appreciate your interest in the other side of the story. However, it seems for us that your proposal is not fair and do not allow us to reveal the truth. You are expecting a merchant and a person from the company for an interview. Meanwhile, you have already prepared 8-part podcast series with information provided by many haters, former employees and sanctioned IMA-s for fraud or T&C violations who chase personal gain. We can prove these allegations. We are ready to assist if this series give us equal chance to defend ourselves. There are many people who can be interviewed as those who understand the One Ecosystem and foresee the potential of it. These people are willing to explain to you the numerous FREE training the company provided for years upon: AML/CFT rules and regulations; compliance policies; CDD policies along with KYC and KYCC procedures, on boarding and monitoring policies, franchise systems; fraud prevention and who can explain the company CDD acumen. You have to see and hear what the official authorities have reviewed – WORTHY COIN because of the DealShaker platform; two reports confirming the blockchain existence and functionalities; educational materials, confirmed to be with good quality and written from experts in different financial and legal spheres; no fraud has been detected. If you are willing to stop this programme from being podcasted, we can provide all necessary materials for you to review and actually see the truth. Kindest regards


    Accusation BBC: OneCoin is not a cryptocurrency because outside its ecosystem it has no value. Its nominal price is not determined by supply and demand but is manipulated and set internally.

    Response Onelife: Quite obviously, OneCoin verifiably fulfills all criteria of the definition of a cryptocurrency and also those of a transparent pricing that is in line with the common market. This value is now confirmed and reflects the constant worldwide trading activities, such as, the ‘DeaShaker’ platform and elsewhere.
    Our wish and aim is the ONE (the official name of the cryptocurrency) to be traded to much further extent.
    Even the records of the proceedings led against OneCoin, which we will discuss directly below, show that people trade cars, land, houses and high-value commodities, as well as all kinds of products and services from thousands of sellers against 100 % ONE or mixed payments and that they are unfortunately, still being slowed down by authorities and regulators/haters when doing so.
    We regret this and consider it to be illegitimate and illegal – and ultimately caused by the interests of the state-operated currency monopolistic against the values of economic freedom and/or personal gain. Our partners, our customers and our lawyers are fighting successfully against this action around the globe and we are sure that the vision of a new system on the basis of a ‘financial revolution’ will be established.


    Accusation BBC: OneCoin has no true, verifiable blockchain.

    Response Onelife: It is incorrect! We regret the suspicion the blockchain does not exist keeps being brought up again and again by partial interests.
    In this regard, we can cite two expert opinions that have been prepared by a specialized IT firm which have been drafted for years and even been supplemented in the course of an investigation led by the public prosecutor of Bielefeld.
    It has not been substantiated. On the contrary, the investigations aimed against OneCoin even rendered proof of valid indications that the blockchain exists. In this regard, we have already published statements with references to concrete official records and have quoted from them.
    The situation is clear. OneCoin has a particularly innovative system of a centralized blockchain, which we believe to be superior for many reasons. It has a number of significant advantages compared to others, less innovative technological concepts of the decentralized blockchain.
    To be precise: the central blockchain ensures a higher degree of security from attacks, which is a tremendously important aspect in the age of hacking.
    Well-known authors have also emphasized, such as the Germany’s largest weekly journal ‘NJW’ (‘Neue Juristische Wochenschrift’; Schrey/Thalhofer: Rechtliche Aspekte der Blockchain [Legal Aspects of the Blockchain], NJW 2017, 1431).
    Here some specifics of the ONE centralized system: The Centralized blockchain offers much more customization and control to the company or the organization deploying it over the network.
    The Company can search and monitor IMA-s behaviour according to regulations (PEP and Sanction lists) The Company can apply AML/CFT and reporting procedures if necessary (if reasonable grounds are present to consider an identity or financial fraud have been committed) The Company is enabled to decide independently who can participate and have access to the network. (Onboarding policy, Sanction policy). Тhe Company can apply all KYC and KYCC regulations and in that sense is closer to financial institutions and government. In many locations, cryptocurrencies are not regulated and this enables the applicable CDD process to bank the unbanked people.
    The Centralized blockchain is more environmentally friendly since they do not need so many resources to implement and to secure the entire network. The bigger the public blockchain is (Bitcoin, for instance), the more miners are needed to make things work. This is not an environmentally friendly blockchain since just one simple Bitcoin transaction has a very high cost. Organizations and companies can store and protect their most valuable data with the help of a centralized blockchain.


    Acussation BBC:Nobody can trade ONE on an open exchange, profits come only from commission for getting others on board. As such it is a Ponzi scheme. Continued promises of a future open exchange where ONE can be traded for fiat currency have never been realized. Based on broken commitments in the past and the total nominal worth of OneCoin in people's accounts now being of an unsustainably high value, there appears to be no evidence that it ever will be launched. Yet people are being purposefully led to believe otherwise. We intend therefore to describe OneCoin as a scam.

    Response Onelife: Firstly, it is already untrue that ONE is not tradable. ‘Dealshaker’ is one of the major global trading platforms and has been continuously developed further by us. Why is ONE the coin for merchants? The fact that cryptocurrencies operate in a highly unregulated industry and have a reputation of being “risky”, ‘pyramid’ or ‘bubble’ presents a serious barrier for their mass scale adoption by most users and retailers. As stated many times, there are various reasons why cryptocurrencies could become the generally accepted payment means of the future. Payment via cryptocurrencies offers advantages to both customers and retailers, making them attractive to both sides. Reasons for that: LOWER TRANSACTION FEES As opposed to credit card companies, which usually charge up to 3% in processing fees, which can add up quickly. In contrast, cryptocurrency transaction fees usually do not exceed 1%, making them desirable for retailers. FASTER AND SECURE TRANSACTIONS. EXCHANGE WITHOUT A MIDDLEMAN One of the main benefits of cryptocurrency payments is the exchange, meaning the removal of a middleman. This means that the technology is designed to facilitate (at least theoretically) instantaneous, cheap and secure settlement of values without a middleman, such as banks. REWARD INCENTIVES Many retailers and online platforms accepting cryptocurrencies as a payment method, have developed incentive and reward programs for doing so.
    For instance, merchants can participate in free advertising campaigns in accordance with the Company strategy. The numerous advantages of payment coins have led to the fact that there is now a large number of cryptocurrencies aiming to become generally or widely accepted payment means. Out of the total 1,910 cryptocurrencies which are listed on CoinMarketCap, it is expected that about 10-20% of them are payment coins or payment tokens. And even more will come. What distinguishes ONE from all other coins and has ultimately lead to its acceptance and usage by a large group of retailers is: 1. the size of the partner network (active accounts are 3 559 259 and registered accounts are 13 002 970) 2. the speed and transaction efficiency, w and profit first. While law and profit are indeed important, it is not the most vital thing about our franchise model. At its core, our franchise model is about the franchisor’s brand value, vision, standards and goals. It is Intuit personae (lat. because of the person), a personal services contract, where the person of one of the contracting parties is an essential term of the contract. When it comes to the Franchise segment of the EcoSystem and its purpose, the main focus is on creating the demand while using our knowledge for local market specifics.
    The expansion of OneCoin is merely being slowed down and prevented by the authorities, former employees disseminated untrue facts about the company for their personal gain, former IMA-s suspended for different T&C violations – which we believe is clearly illegal. We are convinced that these obstructions will not prevail in the end. It has been this way with all great innovations. In this context, it is our special concern to use the opportunity to emphasize the outstanding loyalty of our customers, which we are particularly proud of. We would like to thank them for it.
    If the accusations were only remotely correct, the behavior of hundreds of thousands of people would be inexplicable.
    We know from the records that concrete sales activities relating to cars, food chains etc. have been prevented. There are businesses in all branches of the industry (tourism, manufacturing, transportation, constructions etc.) where you can pay by using ONE. We want nothing more than the market being opened and regulations being lifted. But this is not in our hands. We are fighting – also by way of legal action – for this freedom.
    The barriers set by state are what constrain this freedom. The intermediary steps are exemplary numerous legal proceedings won in Germany by cessation of proceedings in Nuremberg and successful decisions in North RhineWestphalia in high courts such as the Superior District Court of Hamm. In Sweden, the authorities confirmed on May 2, 2019 that there are no current proceedings relating to the accusations against OneCoin. Accusations have been raised by competitors, enviers and exponents of the ‘old’ financial world. Numerous proceedings already prove the accusations are completely untenable. Furthermore, the investigations against OneCoin has examined the sellers on the ‘Dealshaker’ platform actually exist.
    These investigations confirmed and praised ‘OneCoin’ and the trading platform.


    Accusation BBC: The millions of people around the world who have invested in OneCoin cannot exchange or spend their OneCoin. Their OneCoins have no external value, meaning they have no way of realizing their investments. OneCoin continues to promote this coin around the world, even though it is not publicly tradable.

    Response Onelife: As we have explained continuously, it is OneCoin’s aim to expand the markets and the possibilities of OneCoin’s fungibility.
    In fact, the Exchange and Remittances are just parts from the One Ecosystem with equal importance as all other parts.
    We are working hard on this each day. Our employees and partners, as well as lawyers and attorneys around the world are fighting for this.
    It is also important that excellent professors and financial scholars are lecturers in the context of the OneAcademy training packages. We assure you we will be relieved when the regulatory obstructions constraining people’s freedom and trading, do not exist. These restrictions are not up to us. We successfully and tenaciously use all legal means to a great extent and utilize them fully to facilitate the enforcement of the greatest possible freedom of trading and exchangeability. We would like to take the occasion and express our gratitude and respect to every media outlet all over the world which values the truth and insists on working according the main laws of journalism, professional ethics and integrity!


    This email exchange was provided by OC to their members. As I said in my previous post, OC has mastered and perfected the art of talking out of both sides of their mouth and arse all at the same time. A rare feat indeed, but easy for OC to do. They also taught their IMA's, and leaders to do the same.

    Hopefully those of you reading this have been able to discern all the inconsistencies, double-speak, deflection, and dancing around a question and answering a question that was not asked. Just in case you haven't identified all of them, ask yourself this question: Name one other Billion Dollar Company that would answer questions from a major news source in this manner and wouldn't want to cooperate and provide anyone and everyone they could to tell "THEIR" story, if "THEIR" story was true.
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    At this point.....its just the clucking of a flock of shitbirds.

    One Coin is over & its just irrational/flat out stupid to think otherwise.
    "the owner seems really confident and even promises this one won't be going anywhere"

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    I want to address what Igor Krnic said when he shut down his forum. Igor has every right to do with his forum what he wants, after all he is the one who was paying for it. But he made a couple of statements that need to be addressed. Here is what he said when he shut down his forum, and I quote:

    "And what is the purpose of me paying for this forum? I see something else that refuses to die. It is this anarchic war propaganda that makes themselves judge and jury and they work hard on "killing" OC cuase they decided is a scam that needs to die. And with this anger, they are blind to see that corporate has been fighting (maybe not good enough but still) any scam that happened with the network. But the biggest point that they missed is that authorities were all over them for 3 or more years and so far in EU they found nothing. Now we all of the sudden do not believe in EU justice system and we swtiched to USA that still did not do anything and all their documents say "those are the only allegations that need to be proven." They are so unprofessional they literally did no progress with the case and they had Konstantin in jail for almost 7 months yet the case is opened back in 2017???? This is not strange to you guys? There is no debate possible and this forum is not needed. I do not want to run it. Let the authorities do their job. Whatever it is. I just emailed my hoster to shut down this page. Bye"

    The notion that all of us who have been exposing all the lies of OC and the fact it is not real and a Ponzi we have failed to see, and I quote: "the biggest point that they missed is that authorities were all over them for 3 or more years and so far in EU they found nothing" is not true. While nothing has been reported yet by the multi-national criminal investigation into OC from Europe, does not mean they found nothing. Remember, the US is part of this multi-national criminal investigation, and the US has found enough information to file 5 criminal charges against Ruja Ignatova forcing her into hiding and is a fugitive from justice, 1 count of conspiring to commit wire fraud by Konstantin Igantov and sits in jail awaiting trial, Mark Scott charged with $400 Million Dollar Conspiracy to commit money laundering and his trial starts Nov 4, Sebastian Greenwood has pled guilty and is cooperating with the US authorities, and there are about a dozen sealed documents in the OC case by the US authorities. The US investigation into OC started around early 2016.

    As for finding nothing by the Europeans, just because they have not released any information or filed any charges yet does not mean they found "nothing." The German Prosecutor leading this criminal investigation has said repeatedly that their investigation is still ongoing. There are over 430 shell companies that OC formed, and they have to also deal with multiple bank accounts in many nations that OC opened or opened in their shell company names. Italy (one of the countries of the multi-national criminal task force) has banned OC, Germany has also banned OC, so to say "they found nothing" is being disingenuous.

    Investigations take time. It took the US about 18 months before they filed charges against Ruja in 2017, but this initial indictment in Oct 2017 was sealed and did not become public knowledge until early 2019.Another indictment was returned in Oct 2018 and it too was sealed and not released until early 2019. Thailand announced in March of 2017 they were conducting a criminal investigation into OC and their first arrest didn't happen until September of this year, and they said more arrests are coming for the Thai leaders of OC.

    As for this statement and I quote:
    "Now we all of the sudden do not believe in EU justice system and we swtiched to USA that still did not do anything and all their documents say "those are the only allegations that need to be proven." They are so unprofessional they literally did no progress with the case and they had Konstantin in jail for almost 7 months yet the case is opened back in 2017????" is nothing more than a smoke screen as to the seriousness of the charges by the US authorities against Ruja, Konstantin and Mark Scott.

    As for nothing being done since 2017, the only reason why nothing was done since 2017 is that Ruja got wind of the pending indictment and she went into hiding in Oct 2017 to avoid prosecution. Otherwise she would have been arrested and extradited back to the US to stand trail in 2018. As for Konstantin sitting in jail for 7 months, he and his attorney have agreed to the court actions that has kept him in jail during this time, and will keep him there until his trial. His next status hearing is set for Nov 7, to which he and his attorney agreed too. Since his arrest his case has been moving normally, and the delays encountered due to joint conflicts and all parties agreed to the extension of time for hearings.

    As for your statement that we do not give credit to OC Corporate who is trying to do the right thing, not buying it for a minute. None of the so-called updates from Corporate are signed by anyone. They release them through different IMA's or a Master Distributor. While the claim is they are from Corporate, there is no, none, zero, zilch, nada, zip proof they are really from Corporate; and they could be from anyone. This notion that OC Corporate woke up to the illegality of OC and is now trying to do it legally should not have anything to do with the illegal things OC has done in the past, is like a bank robber who stops robbing banks for a year and then when caught claims he can't be charged with bank robbery because he quit robbing banks. What you and Corporate do not get is that OC cannot be saved. It's reputation is in the toilet. There is nothing to save. There is no blockchain and the fact OC has not been placed on an exchange, that has been promised for 5 years, proves it.

    While Igor is entitled to his opinions and his set of "facts," he is not entitled not to be challenged with his trying to equate his opinions as facts. What is even stranger is that for the last 3 weeks of his forum, for the first time there was an actual discussion taking place. Before us "haters" would post facts, and all we got back in return was name-calling, strawman arguments, red herring defenses, deflection, lies told about us haters, stories made up about us haters, and not one factual fact were ever presented to rebut our facts and information we provided.
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    Re: onecoin.eu ponzi scam

    My guess is he shut it down as it was asked for as evidence.
    Haven't lost any money to online scams.......results are typical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whip View Post
    My guess is he shut it down as it was asked for as evidence.
    That's a very generous assessment.

    Considering that Igor Krnic (acting as "Chief Excuse Officer) exhibited the most extreme example of confirmation bias ever, I don't think the collective meanderings of the idiot Onecoin believers who parroted him would hold any interest to the authorities tasked with following the real money.

    He's just yet another over-invested Ponzi fan erasing the evidence of his own naiveté.
    How many similar idiots over the years have we seen close up shop and quietly disappear after all hope was lost?

    SD

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    Quote Originally Posted by shipdit View Post
    That's a very generous assessment.
    I'm a generous guy.
    Haven't lost any money to online scams.......results are typical.

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    Re: onecoin.eu ponzi scam

    London Police announced that they had closed their investigation into OC. Seems they couldn't find anything they had done wrong in the UK and they didn't own any property in the UK so closed their investigation. However, The Times did a story and their expose of Action Fraud was not too flattering. Here's a link to the article and be sure to watch the video:

    Action Fraud investigation: victims misled and mocked as police fail to investigate | News | The Times

    Now we know why nothing was done about MAP/TAP, Simon Stepsys, Sharon James, Sunil Patel, Danny Turner, Jose Nunes, Adrian Hibbert, Tony & Lynne Booth, Anita Langley, and a whole host of other UK Ponzi pimps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whip View Post
    My guess is he shut it down as it was asked for as evidence.
    My guess was he knew the BBC expose podcast was coming and didn't want to have to deal with it. He knew the report would be damning to OC. He knows the Mark Scott, Konstantin and Sebastian's cases, and the real reason why Ruja is MIA would be discussed, and so far Corporate has danced around all of them and has never "officially" answered any questions about them to the members. Heck the majority of the members think that Ruja is working quietly in the background on the ICO and have no clue she is in hiding and a fugitive from justice. Corporate has totally ignored them as much as possible. They also have totally ignored the Class Action lawsuits that have been filed. Now they won't be able to as they cannot control the narrative to the members. My guess is that at least 70-80% of the members have no clue about Mark Scott, Sebastian, Konstantin and Ruja and 99% about the Class Action lawsuits.
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    Re: onecoin.eu ponzi scam

    OneCoin, that magical crypto-currency that is so legal and has done nothing wrong, has certainly tied itself to a great group of people. Since Jen McAdam appeared on the TV News Show about the podcast The Missing Crypto-Queen and in the podcast, she has received numerous rape and death threats for daring to expose OC. And they call all of us exposing OC, for the Ponzi it is, "haters."

    Pot meet Kettle.

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    Re: onecoin.eu ponzi scam

    Episode 3 of The Missing Crypto-Queen is out: BBC Sounds - The Missing Cryptoqueen, Episode 3: More than just a coin
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    I want to "OFFICIALLY" welcome Jamie into the "HATERS" club against OneCoin. Someone within OC has made a false bio of him with a robot voice doing the narrative in an attempt to discredit him, just as they always attempt to discredit any 'hater" because they cannot dispute the facts.

    What is interesting to me is that OC and all of its believers think this really works. They can't see that this is not how a multi-Billion Dollar company handles adversity. The good news is the more they try to deflect, discredit anyone pointing out all the facts as to why OC is a Ponzi, the more they expose OC for the Ponzi it is. Ironically they have done more to ruin the image of OC than all of us "haters" combined over almost the last 5 years proving us right OC is a Ponzi.

    As the old saying goes, "the more rope you give someone the more rope they have to hang themselves; and hanging themselves is exactly what they are doing.

    But I do want to warn people that this series is about where is Ruja, and their sincere efforts to find out where she is; how OC got so big so fast; why people fell for the "vision" and refuse to listen to anyone other than OC's message; and educating people about a blockchain and how it works. This is not an expose of an in-depth analysis of the MLM industry and its ills. While MLM is definitely part of the "How" OC got so big so fast, it is not the main focus of the series. I am sure a future episode will deal with the major promoters of OC and now they are no longer a part of it, they are not going to go into what these major promoters are doing now.

    My hope for the series is that it will be so successful that it will create a demand for another series to be born that will go into more detail and the intricacies of OC, the roles of all the major players that made this work, all the properties Ruja purchased, all the shell companies they have used to pull this off, and the financial devastation that is going to take place worldwide once OC is "officially" shut down for good.

    To me the financial devastation this will cause is the major story that needs to be done as a mini-series. There is no doubt in my mind that the stories to come will be some of the most horrific horror stories we have ever heard from the collapse of a Ponzi. This is in part due to the sheer number of countries and people involved. In some of the smaller countries this could cause a major economic hit to their economy, not just to their people.

    I said a long time ago: there is a major storm brewing and when the storm breaks there is going to be a real ugly bloodbath. We are now at that precipice.
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    Re: onecoin.eu ponzi scam

    "What is interesting to me is that OC and all of its believers think this really works. "

    Its because all that's left are crackpots and losers.
    Pimps long ago moved on as did the rational thinkers.
    "the owner seems really confident and even promises this one won't be going anywhere"

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    Re: onecoin.eu ponzi scam

    Italy banned all promotion of OC/OL in Italy. Yet on Oct 18-20 in Italy, they are having the Master Training Italy DealShaker Workshop & Gala Dinner.

    I think it is time the Italian authorities were advised of this big Master Training Italy DealShaker Workshop & Gala Dinner, don't you?
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    Re: onecoin.eu ponzi scam

    As the popularity of the BBC podcast The Missing CryptoQueen gains momentum, the current leaders, what's left of them, have started a campaign to get video testimonials about how wonderful, fantastic, and incredible the DealShaker platform is, how big the OC ecosystem is and its importance. They truly believe that this is going to offset all the negativity OC is receiving from this series.

    All they are doing is exposing OC for the Ponzi it is, and they are too stupid to realize it. One of my favorite testimonials came from a Romanian woman who lives in Dubai and is praising how great DealShaker is for people in Korea. No I am not kidding. And we also have them urging people to just visit the DealShaker platform to increase the number of visitors to make it look more active than it truly is, which is only about 2% of all the membership who have visited it collectively since its inception. Even that ploy is not working for them. And there are still 5 more episodes in this original podcast to air. As each podcast airs, it is causing a larger and larger audience listening to the podcast. OC would have to have every paid member of OC reporting the series as untruthful and giving it a thumbs down to even have a ripple effect to the series. They would also have to have every paid member of OC buying something on DealShaker to even make a teenie-weenie, itsy-bitsy up-tick in the DealShaker platform stats.

    This is a dynamic and fluid series, and each podcast is literally being done at the last moment because of all the info they are receiving. It is possible that there will be a second podcast series to air due to so much information becoming available to Jamie and Georgia. And just as the initial podcast series ends, the OC faithful have the Mark Scott case to look forward too.

    Mark Scott's trial is just 5 weeks away (Nov 4), and the DOJ has identified bank employees form the Bank of Ireland. The Bank of Ireland was the bank Mark used to move $300 Million of the $400 Million he is accused of money laundering for OC. One has to wonder what the brilliant minds of the last remaining leaders will be to counter this negative news for OC. So looking forward to what they will come up with to try and counter this negative news for OC.

    It is ironic that just as the podcast The Missing CryptoQueen series ends, Mark Scott's trial begins. What great timing.
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    Re: onecoin.eu ponzi scam

    In the past, OC Corporate has provided a weekly update on every Friday of the status of OC going to trade on an exchange. Of course each week is almost an identical replay of what transpired the week before with a few "promising" great things are happening. This has kept the remaining faithful believing that OC is finally going to be traded on an open exchange. Speculation is that this will happen this month. But then OC has been promising OC would trade on an exchange for the past 4 years.

    Then all of a sudden there weren't any updates for 2 weeks straight. This caused alarm in the OC camp so Corporate announced through an IMA that the reason was they were waiting to hear from the Central Bank about their approval and couldn't comment; but things were moving forward and it was just the authorities fault for the delay. Then we had an update and the only thing it touted was the Wonder Wheel had been extended to the middle of October. Of course they said last July that at the end of the month the Wonder Wheel would be removed forever so rush to take advantage of all it had to offer. Funny how that Wonder Wheel just won't die. Of course it is the only means OC has now to generate money, as almost everything else is DOA.

    Now what is interesting is that one would think that Corporate would be the one making the weekly update available, but alas that is not the case. First not one of the updates is signed by anyone. They are released through various IMA's. The IMA's are too ignorant to see that they are being used as a pawn and patsy by OC. OC Corporate can always come back and say these updates weren't from them as they weren't signed by anyone from Corporate and was not "officially" released by OC Corporate. Of course this is what OC Corporate has done all along. They are never at fault. All their legal problems are from rogue IMA's and OC had no idea the IMA's were doing all the illegal things. After all their TOC clearly states what OC IMA's can do, and the IMA violated the TOC they signed.

    At this point in this Ponzi it remains to be seen just how much longer the websites will be allowed to operate. The DOJ is laying the groundwork for OC to be charged under the RICO act, and then they will be shut down for good, even the wonderful, incredible, awesome, ingenious, ecosystem merchant platform DealShaker. The Mark Scott case just might be what the DOJ is waiting for to shut them down.
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