Thread: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?

Originally Posted by nerd

This is gold.

OMG! WOW! ACTION TAKER!

You gotta hand it to Tony, he does our job for us doesn't he? Not the brightest penny in your pocket is he lol.

Ribshaw, your right buddy. The pennies I earn don't even cover my broadband bill lol, but that's ok. I'm learning about the advertising industry which has been a real eye opener and confirms 100% that all these 'click ten ads a day' BS sites are all ponzis by different names.

Am I a HATER?
YEP, 100% PONZI HATER!

Originally Posted by Whip

why is there any worry about a downline in an 'advertising company'? I don't believe there are any downlines in google.

Whip, you've put your finger right on it.

Why are they worrying about poaching each others' downline? Why aren't they worrying about snatching each other's adverts?

Surely they'd only be bothered about getting a downline if their money making was dependant on having people under them, passing money up. And where making money depends on recruitment, that makes it a ponzi/pyramid scheme, doesn't it? Oh.....hang on.....wait a minute......

The idiot poster Faeez is back. Wouldn't normally bother, but its good entertainment

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Wow....not surprising that he hasn't grasped the whole "your" and "you're" thing either. What a dope.

On Our Tone's latest blog, there is this (sorry for cut and paste)

So with now over 4000 new members joining MAP each week there are many new questions being asked every day. Much of these simple questions are answered in the site FAQ’s but the more intelligent new members seek to understand how MAP can afford to pay such a generous profit share to all it’s members, when they do their due diligence. This is a very important question for all our members to know the answer to and then be able to answer this question to their future prospects.

So MAP is an advertising business with now over 130,000 affiliate members, all at different levels of earnings as a result of taking advantage of not just the profit share, but also the super quality targeted advertising available on our site. Our traffic exchange for all our members to show other members what they have to offer is a non profit making activity for our company but has a great value keeping potential buyers on our site. Many of our critics on various scam sites often remark about this product being non profit making, and therefor want to tell the world that MAP is a ponzi or a scam as they do not understand how our company makes money. Now with 60 million eyeballs visiting our site in the last month and staying on for a average time of 16 minuets viewing 15 pages THIS IS OUR PROFIT GENERATOR. Our paid advertising on the site is now increasing in value daily for members and external advertisers.

MORE TRAFFIC = MORE SALES = MORE PROFIT= MORE ADVERTISERS.

Our Latest Paid Advertising Addition being the Jackpot wheel game ! Why is this such a fantastic addition to our advertising platform?

With members having the ability to win money on the wheel for FREE this is an excellent spot for you to place your PAID guaranteed visitor advertisement. This is now one of our several profit generators at MAP, and is proving to be the most popular todate returning a great profit for the company and then for our members too. This game is one we are very pleased with the results so far, but the exciting thing is that it is only the first one of some great new products to be introduced this year, increasing our profit again as we grow with all these new members joining each day.
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You see, I just don't get it. The only people who see the adverts are people who are already MAPs members, right? I couldn't go and browse their ads unless I joined up, could I? Tone himself admits this above, where he says it is for "all our members to show other members what they have to offer". So the adverts are in a little box, so to speak, with only 130,000 potential customers seeing them. I've seen samples of these adverts, and most are for other schemes, most notably 4 Corners Alliance. I cannot see any outside advertisers wanting to pay for adverts that are shown to such a limited market. Furthermore, we never find out who these outside advertisers are. The only money that I can see coming in is from members who join the scheme and buy credit packs and pay membership fees, or who pay extra for the "guaranteed visitors". I know if I had a product to sell and wanted to advertise it, the MAPs traffic exchange thingy is NOT what would spring to my mind!

Am I missing something?

Originally Posted by Gina

Wow....not surprising that he hasn't grasped the whole "your" and "you're" thing either. What a dope.

LOL. I would also like to point out to our SHOUTING FRIEND, MAPS is in violation of securities laws in the US and very likely a few other jurisdictions. They can call these things Ad Packs or whatever the F they please, they are unregistered securities.
I had some more on this, but spent the day fighting with my two POS chainsaws, in the meantime MAPPERS take this to your state security office and have them explain it to you.

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Tony is doing a piss pour pore poor job of getting the word out to affiliates how the law works.

So with now over 4000 new members joining MAP each week

so 4000 are also quitting each week since the numbers never change?

Okay now here, here is a Simon Sepsis outfit if I've ever seen one.


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Originally Posted by Gina

Okay now here, here is a Simon Sepsis outfit if I've ever seen one.

lmao. that's great.

Originally Posted by Tony Booth aka MAPDAD BOOTH

Now with 60 million eyeballs visiting our site in the last month and staying on for a average time of 16 minuets viewing 15 pages THIS IS OUR PROFIT GENERATOR. Our paid advertising on the site is now increasing in value daily for members and external advertisers.

minuet. "slow dance in triple measure"

Members are being paid for dancing?

This guy is supposed to be the Chief Communications Executive and he puts out crap like this? If it was just some random blogger OK I get it, he is the voice of the company and presumably this an official document.

Originally Posted by MAPDAD BOOTH

Many of our critics on various scam sites often remark about this product being non profit making, and therefor want to tell the world that MAP is a ponzi or a scam as they do not understand how our company makes money.

Tony, the key to a good scam is to make the story believable but damn near impossible to verify. The "blind network" for instance. When any meanie blogger can see you took the real number of eyeballs and multiplied by 12 it's beginning to look like back to glazing windows.

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http://www.trafficestimate.com/myadvertisingpays.com

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so using his dope math the dead scam digadz is really kicking their asses. and digadz is now already the new google.

Originally Posted by the scammer

Many of our critics on various scam sites often remark about this product being non profit making

and then there are those that know there is no product thus making it a ponzi scheme.
these dopes really make our case just opening their mouths.

Originally Posted by Whip

so using his dope math the dead scam digadz is really kicking their asses. and digadz is now already the new google.

and then there are those that know there is no product thus making it a ponzi scheme.
these dopes really make our case just opening their mouths.

This guy is comedy gold, we might need him to come over here and run a few more scams out of business when he's done wrecking MAPS.

Originally Posted by ribshaw

This guy is comedy gold, we might need him to come over here and run a few more scams out of business when he's done wrecking MAPS.

who knew that when they are braying about not having to work hard.........they were talking about the debunkers.

No, no, no, we are all wrong.....Tone says so, so it must be true!

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And so does Mike!

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Well, with evidence like that, we might as well give up and go home, hey?

The UKs' finest - Septic Simon Stepsys

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Anyone know what site these analytics might have come from?

the dead Ad Surf Daily? lmao!
I will say I found this hilarious:

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http://www.similarweb.com/website/myadvertisingpays.com

Somehow estimated 2 mil visits per month - including spambots = 2 mil a day in a scammers world. All to see no advertising whatsoever.

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No doubt a lot of the 2 million visits will be suckers logging on 72 times a day to see their numbers on a screen increase.

Originally Posted by nerd

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Anyone know what site these analytics might have come from?

It's from Google Analytics. Although shock of all shockers they left out quite a lot of data.

In the New vs Returning example, averages are not computed for all sessions, but rather via the User Type dimension. By pairing the Time On Site metric with a dimension, you can analyze this metric via returning vs new users, where the calculations are modified by the requested dimension. The use of the dimension offers an insight into user behavior not provided in the overview report:

https://developers.google.com/analyt...ataCalculation

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Google Analytics uses two different techniques for calculating Users for different kinds of report requests. As a result, there can be discrepancies in Users in different reports.

https://support.google.com/analytics.../2992042?hl=en

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A session is a group of interactions that take place on your website within a given time frame. For example a single session can contain multiple screen or page views, events, social interactions, and ecommerce transactions.
A single user can open multiple sessions. Those sessions can occur on the same day, or over several days, weeks, or months. As soon as one session ends, there is then an opportunity to start a new session. There are two methods by which a session ends:

Time-based expiry (including end of day):
After 30 minutes of inactivity
At midnight
Campaign change:
If a user arrives via one campaign, leaves, and then comes back via a different campaign.

https://support.google.com/analytics.../2731565?hl=en

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Using simple math this is what I see, but I am certainly no web expert like these folks. Best guesstimate, a core of affiliates (or bots) spend a lot of time on the site clicking pages.

59,498,599 Page Views

899,517 Users (Less than the 2M I thought).

(59,498,599/899,517)= 66.14 Page Views for each user (simple average).

66.14/30 Days = 2.20 Page views per day (simple average).

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899,517 Users 77.1% of those are repeat.

693,527 Users for the month are repeat

693,527/30 days = 23,118 repeat users per day. About 110,000 short of Tony's claims absent better data.

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As with so many things Ponzi they have given enough data to wow the marks. What the hell is an advertiser who is supposed to be the real customer able to discern with this nonsense? And for the love of Madoff, why if there are all these advertisers paying to be on the site do affiliates have to cough up money first?

When Booth and Walletblaster were all weepy the other day about how let down Simon felt making, keeping, and spending all the money he stole over fifteen years of failed scams something interesting was said. We are IBOS, Tony used the term affiliates, common vernacular would be independent contractor. From a legal standpoint that means if "IBOs" break the law, they are on their own. What their upline told them is meaningless and probably in this case flat out wrong.

That Walletblaster tells affiliates not to use the word investment means little if that's what they legally are. Don't take my word for it, consult with a local securities attorney or your state securities department.

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Question: If MAPS Ad Packs are not a security/investment why is someone that purchases 1200 Packs paid more than someone that purchases 1 if they both click the same 10 ads each day?

Question: Why is 20% profit used in solicitations by the top promoter?

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http://netmillionaire.empowernetwork...ategory/bidify

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Calling a duck a rooster doesn't make it a rooster. There is a legal framework that determines what is and is not an investment, word choice is not one of the four. As advertised, "click 10 ads" per day My Advertising Pays meets all four in my opinion.


Murphy then formulated one of the U.S. Supreme Court's earliest tests to determine whether an instrument qualifies as an "investment contract" for the purposes of the Securities Act (which later came to be referred to as the Howey test):

investment of money due to -YES AD PACKS
an expectation of profits arising from- YES THAT IS ALL ANYONE TALKS ABOUT
a common enterprise -YES
which depends solely on the efforts of a promoter or third party- YES AFFILIATES ARE TOLD ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS CLICK 10 ADS TO REALIZE A RETURN. UNDER THIS SCENARIO SOMEONE ELSE IS SELLING ALL THE ADVERTISING THAT MAKES THE 20% ROI POSSIBLE. As we saw in Zeek something like "sharing bids" is tangential to the larger scam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEC_v._W._J._Howey_Co.

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Sharing bids, clicking ads...

According to the SEC’s complaint filed in federal court in Charlotte, N.C., customers were offered several ways to earn money through the ZeekRewards program, two of which involved purchasing securities in the form of investment contracts. These securities offerings were not registered with the SEC as required under the federal securities laws.

The SEC alleges that investors were collectively promised up to 50 percent of the company’s daily net profits through a profit sharing system in which they accumulate rewards points that they can use for cash payouts

SEC.gov | SEC Shuts Down $600 Million Online Pyramid and Ponzi Scheme
SEC Enforcement Actions Against Ponzi Schemes


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In short, unregistered securities are securities that have not been registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). Before a stock, bond or note can be sold to the public, it must be registered with the SEC. In fact, it must be registered before it can even be offered to the public. Any security is considered to be unregistered if it does not have an effective registration statement.

Investment Fraud: Unregistered Securities

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Investor Alert: 10 Red Flags That an Unregistered Offering May Be a Scam

Claims of High Returns with Little or No Risk
Unregistered Investment Professionals
No Net Worth or Income Requirements
Sham or Virtual Offices
Suspicious or Unverifiable Biographies of Managers or Promoters

SEC.gov | Investor Alert: 10 Red Flags That an Unregistered Offering May Be a Scam

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An affiliate should understand the law of accepting referral commissions if they intend to make money from selling the investment known as MAPS Ad Packs.


Does a third-party solicitor have to be registered as an investment adviser or investment adviser representative?

The Investment Advisers Act of 1940 and the associated SEC rules do not require the solicitor to register as an investment adviser as long as the solicitor’s activities are strictly limited to merely referring clients to a registered investment adviser in compliance with SEC Rule 206(4)-3.

Frequently Asked Questions Regarding Solicitor Referral Arrangements: Registered Investment Advisor (RIA) Compliance Consultants

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Pyramid and other Ponzi Schemes

Some common characteristics are: the product is ancillary to the overall scheme; money is made primarily when you recruit others to purchase the investment, not from actual product sales; these fraudulent MLMs pay earlier investors with funds from later investors; and specific payouts are often guaranteed by promoters.

Internet and Affinity Fraud

Investors are encouraged to not assume the legitimacy of an investment simply because it is presented with an Internet website, or through a trusted acquaintance. State regulators can easily confirm that an investment is registered, or a sales person is properly licensed before you invest.

Top Investor Threats - NASAA

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But but but, if they are breaking the law why have they not been shut down?

This happened five years ago, and the trader is alleged to have done it since.

UK trader in fraud arrest over US 'flash crash' - BBC News

Less than a year.

http://www.sec.gov/news/pressrelease/2015-35.html

Originally Posted by littleroundman

The UKs' finest - Septic Simon Stepsys

Well, thank you very much. That image is now burned into my brain. If I have nightmares tonight, I'll know who to blame!!!

Oooo-er. The Top Tips Man has been watching a video of Simon and now feels "tingly"

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I'd seek medical help, if I were you.

Let's hope he doesn't see the picture of Simon in that romper suit, or goodness knows what may happen.

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Oooo-er. The Top Tips Man has been watching a video of Simon and now feels "tingly"

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I'd seek medical help, if I were you.

Let's hope he doesn't see the picture of Simon in that romper suit, or goodness knows what may happen.

think he's trying to work his way into dick meads' action?