Thread: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?

Do these people realise what they are saying?

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"Make some real money by clicking on 10 ads daily"? Really?

If I was you, I'd stick to driving the lorry. Maybe get some HGV training (fo you don't already have it) as there is a shortage of HGV drivers in the Uk, apparently, so there is good HONEST, REAL money to be made there. That's far more reliable than your 10 ads a day!

MC Ribshaw did a little samplin of his own...

Whenever Simon Stepsys went down town,
We MAPPERS on the pavement gawked at him:
He was a guru from sole to crown,
Coked Up, and chemically slim.

And he was always gaudily arrayed,
And he was always a bragger when he talked:
But still he emptied purses when he pointed,
Taking taking taking until the day he walked.

And he once again had a ring,
And he lied as the scam picked up pace:
Clicking 10 ads, we thought that he was king,
To make us wish that we were in his place.

So on we pimped, until late in the night,
And went without cash, and cursed the trolls in our head:
And Simon Stepsys, one calm summer night,
Went home with a pocket of stolen loot, another scam was dead.


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MAPS WILL LET YOU PAY CASH FOR A UNICORN.JPG

MAP how to:

1) Log into your account

2) Click on 10 links

3) Check your account balance

4) Celebrate being a millionaire

4) Duck the flying pigs

Hypothetically what would it take for you guys to think MAPS is the real deal? If it was still here a year from now? in 2 years? 5 years?

Nothing to do with time online, that's for sure.

Madoff Investments became a ponzi somewhere between the mid 1980s and 1990s but it wasn't discovered until Madoff confessed in December 2008, so longevity isn't a deciding factor

Originally Posted by nerd

Hypothetically what would it take for you guys to think MAPS is the real deal? If it was still here a year from now? in 2 years? 5 years?

There are no "hypotheticals" in evaluating a business. Provide the contracts from advertisers, provide the statement of accounts, and provide bank statements with source documents so the numbers can be verified. I posted a link for you a few pages back, I wasn't joking that is what YOU need to do or you will continue to be ripped off on one pipe dream after the next.

You are making a classic mistake too many victims of these frauds don't consider. You never invest where funds are not segregated and statements provided by an independent third party. It would be a world of difference if your funds were held at a Bank of America and you could call them instead of logging into your back office. That's not how MAPS is done and you should be asking yourself WHY?

Most of the people who post here are business people and/or have a lot of experience with scams just like MAPS. Would love to have you stay and chat, but you are going to have to put a lot more on the table than happy talk.

*This of course assumes you are actually a victim who thinks they have found the real deal, and not a promoter who either knows or is too stupid to know.

Thank you Ribshaw you have given me much to consider

The first step to convince me My Advertising Pays isn't a fraud would be to find me one other company on the planet which could make people millionaires simply by clicking on links and recruiting others to do the same WITHOUT being a ponzi or a pyramid or a combination of both.

Clicking on adverts and links is a viable proposition IF the company is paying in fractions of a cent per click.

Clicking on links for 1% a day ROI or some exorbitant amount is NOT viable

Being paid a "spotters" fee for introducing new people to a business is viable.

Being paid hundreds or thousands of dollars to do so is NOT viable.

Allowing members to use recruitment as the largest source of their income is illegal AND is not viable.

Pyramid and endless chain recruiting schemes are illegal for a reason

THEY DON'T WORK

Simply put, upward of 90% of those participating will lose their money and those behind such schemes are totally misrepresenting the facts if they say otherwise.

IOW, they are defrauding members.

Originally Posted by nerd

Hypothetically what would it take for you guys to think MAPS is the real deal? If it was still here a year from now? in 2 years? 5 years?

Never gonna happen. Closed 'advertising' can't work. Nobody is buying anything.....well, except more 'credit packs' to click more and hope they will get paid. All you have to do is answer my questions on the previous page to see the flaws. It's the same with any click to earn scam.

Originally Posted by nerd

Thank you Ribshaw you have given me much to consider

If you have not already, spend some time digging through this thread. In this thread you will see links for Banners Broker which WAS an identical scam, also promoted by Simon Stepsys. Or Zeek Rewards and Shaun Smith. Unfortunately no one is going to ring a bell before this thing blows.

Then if you have questions or concerns join in.

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Here is someone that is in MAPS, if you check their domains you can conclude they either promote a lot of scams or are one big dreamer. My impression based on the 2 days I have been following scams is when someone sets up this many websites they know the score. You should check some of your higher ups and see what you come up with.

http://www.whoismind.com/email/rhyker@gmail.com.html

https://whoisology.com/email/archive_8/rhyker@gmail.com

Like the Duchess of Deception Serial Scam Promoter claire.positiveminds@gmail.com Hartman-James

There are people who clean up after elephants that shovel less crap...


leadsystemrocks.com clairehartman.com joinpositiveminds.com
pizzascheme.com secretguidetomaps.com buymorerefermore.com
positivebeast.com positivemindsbeast.com whoisclairehartman.com
mummy-preneur.com my-advertisingpays.com clairesbusinessbrain.com
positivemindcoaching.com lovemoneyintelligence.com lsnpower.com
workwithclaire.com paysudaily.com positivemindsfamily.com
mapsadvertising.com lovexlightxinspirationx.com myadvertisingpaysyou2.com
myadvertisingpaysmedaily.com thesecretguidetosuccess.com

https://whoisology.com/email/archive...inds@gmail.com

Simon Stepsys Scammer with Claire Hartman James Scammer.JPG

Looks like Tony and Lynne Booth all live together with daughter Sophie and Craig Welsh. Don't you just LOVE happy families:
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Great poem, by the way, Ribshaw!

And as for the Essex Maiden, CHJ - never knew she had so many domain names.

Mummy-preneur? Honestly? YUCK!

Maybe I should explain myself.

I joined MAPS about 6 months ago on the advice of someone i trusted. Prior to this I had never heard of affiliate marketing, rev-share, ponzi scams etc. I went in with about $3500. I make this in a couple of weeks so if I lost it I would feel stupid but it wouldnt be the end of the world, so I jumped in without really doing any research and watched my account grow. I am now looking at promoting this to friends and family which is why I am now digging deeper. Like I said, if i lost my money I would feel silly for being taken but i would move on. But if I refered a friend into this and they lost their money I would feel 10 times worse, so I need to be sure before I start seriously refering.

I have read every post in this thread, i have read all the scam blogs, tara talks etc.... I agree there are many highly suspicious aspects of MAPS, and common sense would dictate not to go near MAPS with a barge pole. However the prospect of easy money is a powerful one and I can't shut off the voice in the back of my head that is saying "but what if its real"

Despite all of this some of my experiences are making me think it could be real

1. A few weeks ago i decided to do a substantial withdraw and film it as social proof for the purposes of refering. I withdrew $1500, and 3 days later the money was in my bank account. So this makes me think the money in your available account balance Isn't monopoly money.

2. I have made sales on the traffic exchange. One of the sales I made has a monthly rebill, so whoever bought the product I was promoting obviously found it useful and is now subscribing, and now i am getting a $12 a month commission for doing nothing. I realise this isnt much, but I did this having little idea of what I am doing. Experts will no doubt have far greater success. So it seems that some people arent just clicking to get their ROI and are looking to buy products.

3. There are literally 100s if not 1000s of unique banners etc being advertised on the site daily. My sponsor has purchased guaranteed visitors and they increased his blogs alexa rankings. I find it hard to believe that they would all be fake. If even half the banners on the site are being paid for then couldn't it be possible that MAPS could make its payments without using money from new investors?

Let's get a couple of things straight, nerd.

* ALL PONZIS PAYOUT - INITIALLY

That's how they work.

You've seen the TV programs and movies where the snooker / card player let's his victim win two or three games, then offers to play for double or nothing and then goes in for the kill.

You're that victim.

Only, in the case of a ponzi, it's worse.

You've said it yourself - one $1500 payout and you're looking to bring in your friends and family.

See how it works ???

My Advertising Pays uses someone elses' money to pay you - you bring in friends and family and Badda Bing, Badda Boom, those behind MAP suddenly have four times as much money

No "advertising" required, no payments from contented advertisers - just the membership fees of guy/s who joined prior to you.

Bottom line, nerd - do you REALLY understand how a ponzi fraud works ??

Do you REALLY understand how it is possible for you to "get paid" without MAP earning a single cent from outside sources, only from those who joined prior to you ??

SO you dont believe that MAPS is selling any external advertising at all? You believe that all the banners on the site are fake and all the pop ups and guaranteed visitors are fake?

Originally Posted by nerd

SO you dont believe that MAPS is selling any external advertising at all? You believe that all the banners on the site are fake and all the pop ups and guaranteed visitors are fake?

Hello Nerd, its so nice to have someone post who isn't being abusive and just asking sensible questions. I hope that we can all persuade you that MAPS is a scam.
Firstly, The adverts that you see aren't fake. They are just from OTHER members. And the majority of them are just advertising OTHER ponzis. Unfortunately there are many people who see these programmes as a way of life and earn money purely from referring others. They hop from one programme to another bringing their downlines with them.
The vast majority of these programmes are CLOSED LOOPS, so the outside world will never see them . Why would major advertisers want to put there money and there name onto a website that will never be seen by anybody but affiliates? And since many of those affiliates are only clicking on these sites purely for clicking sake, then the majority of them will NEVER buy any products advertised. If you've been lucky enough to find another affiliate who actually wants to purchase what's on your banner, then fair play. But 99% of them don't.
And ask yourself how MAPS makes any money when it not only refunds the cost of the credit packs but promises to give you an additional ($10)on top?
Its all nonsense. The fact is that MAPS is paying OLD members with NEW members money. When the new members dry up, you can kiss goodbye to any virtual money you may have 'earned'.

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Great poem, by the way, Ribshaw!

The original is "Richard Cory" by Edwin Arlington Robinson. Mapperz with their Simonitis would be wise to consider the implications of blindly following those who appear to have it all.

Richard Cory by Edwin Arlington Robinson : The Poetry Foundation

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Mummy-preneur? Honestly? YUCK!

YUCK IS RIGHT.

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Originally Posted by nerd

SO you dont believe that MAPS is selling any external advertising at all? You believe that all the banners on the site are fake and all the pop ups and guaranteed visitors are fake?

No, there isn't. Like I said earlier (only a page earlier but you must have missed it and again when I mentioned it just above) why isn't real business like walmart/lowe's/harrod's buying into this themselves and reaping the same rewards you made except at a far, far greater level since they can dump in 100s of times more money? Wouldn't that be prudent of them to satisfy their investors? Plus get advertising? And just think of the reward to whoever recruited them in! Why don't you approach those companies instead of friends that might not be in a position to afford to lose any money? Pitch them on the crazy amount of money they can make plus advertise. They'll laugh you out of the building.

And exactly how is anyone on the outside viewing these 'ads'? You still haven't noticed that none of this is about selling ad space? Just look at all the ridiculous posts on facebook. ALL about recruiting. Shouldn't it be about getting advertisers? You say you read this whole thread and none of these questions came to you? You certainly haven't proved it's legitimate just by posting the usual 'I got paid' post. We've seen screenshots of these 'ads'. They are just more scams being advertised in a closed loop. And when you have a captive audience of one scam, what better way to get them into other scams.

Originally Posted by nerd

SO you dont believe that MAPS is selling any external advertising at all? You believe that all the banners on the site are fake and all the pop ups and guaranteed visitors are fake?

I haven't read the previous pages, so sorry in advance if this was already asked/mentioned to you, but here's my question : Can you explain to me how it would makes sense for ANYONE or ANY company to advertise on a site that uses its users to click ads in order to earn money? What kind of business model is that? Hey, pay 40 bucks for 1000 guaranteed unique visitors that will sit 24/7 viewing your ads to earn a few pennies! Well maybe, but those visitors don't give a damn about the ad they're seeing because the goal is to click away as soon as the timer is over, meaning it will drive no new visitors / customers to your site / business.

Like it was said above, you're simply encouraged to purchase ad packs, losing your hard earned money to the people already ripping you off by charging you money for this scam. The point of advertising is bringing new people to your business or site or whatever it is you're advertising. No one in their right mind (other than you people at MAPS, sorry for being a dick here) would pay for useless visits.

If you do advertise with MAPS, let me tell give you this advice: install Google Analytics and check the bounce rate. I'm 99.99% positive the traffic generated from MAPS will 1- not be 1000 unique visitors, 2- will have a 95%+ bounce rate (meaning 95% of the visitors viewed only 1 page and left), 3- average time on site will be the same as the time you have to wait for viewing an ad. There's absolutely no ROI happening here. If this isn't enough to convince you it's a ripoff, well I have no idea what it will take.

Originally Posted by nerd

Maybe I should explain myself.

I joined MAPS about 6 months ago on the advice of someone i trusted. Prior to this I had never heard of affiliate marketing, rev-share, ponzi scams etc. I went in with about $3500. I make this in a couple of weeks so if I lost it I would feel stupid but it wouldnt be the end of the world, so I jumped in without really doing any research and watched my account grow. I am now looking at promoting this to friends and family which is why I am now digging deeper. Like I said, if i lost my money I would feel silly for being taken but i would move on. But if I refered a friend into this and they lost their money I would feel 10 times worse, so I need to be sure before I start seriously refering.

The first question you could answer is WHY DID MAPS NEED YOUR $3500?

If you were coming on as a "clicker" why would they have you send money just to send it back as you click?

If you were coming on as an "advertiser" why are you not coming in under the same arrangement as all the thousands of organizations allegedly advertising? Surely all these businesses aren't clickers too!

Originally Posted by nerd

I have read every post in this thread, i have read all the scam blogs, tara talks etc.... I agree there are many highly suspicious aspects of MAPS, and common sense would dictate not to go near MAPS with a barge pole. However the prospect of easy money is a powerful one and I can't shut off the voice in the back of my head that is saying "but what if its real"

"Every swindle is driven by a desire for easy money; it's the one thing the swindler and the swindled have in common."
Mitchell Zuckoff

Read more at Mitchell Zuckoff Quotes - BrainyQuote

Originally Posted by nerd

Despite all of this some of my experiences are making me think it could be real

Every scam like this needs to be plausible but hard to verify. If you went after the things we previously discussed it would become clear how quickly the story evaporates.

Originally Posted by nerd

1. A few weeks ago i decided to do a substantial withdraw and film it as social proof for the purposes of refering. I withdrew $1500, and 3 days later the money was in my bank account. So this makes me think the money in your available account balance Isn't monopoly money.

You put in $3500 and withdrew $1500. See what happened?

The right question to ask is "could everyone that is owed money withdraw it simultaneously without MAPS collapsing?" Without audited financials you have no clue.

Here is the math I would do. 100,000 members owed an average of $1500. $150,000,000 OWED that seems f^ck silly to me. As in good luck if you don't get out now.

Originally Posted by nerd

2. I have made sales on the traffic exchange. One of the sales I made has a monthly rebill, so whoever bought the product I was promoting obviously found it useful and is now subscribing, and now i am getting a $12 a month commission for doing nothing. I realise this isnt much, but I did this having little idea of what I am doing. Experts will no doubt have far greater success. So it seems that some people arent just clicking to get their ROI and are looking to buy products.

Do you remember the part where you put in $3500? If you had made 1000 sales and knew your retention rate it would be a more meaningful indicator of what you are selling, not of the legitimacy of MAPS.

The "experts" as has been explained are peddling other GRQ schemes, and why not its like a right numpty convention.

Originally Posted by nerd

3. There are literally 100s if not 1000s of unique banners etc being advertised on the site daily. My sponsor has purchased guaranteed visitors and they increased his blogs alexa rankings. I find it hard to believe that they would all be fake. If even half the banners on the site are being paid for then couldn't it be possible that MAPS could make its payments without using money from new investors?

Unless you have seen the contracts and have some method to verify where the clicks are coming from that data is useless. If you go to MMG or Talk Gold there is a shitton of crap advertised, maybe they should be paying visitors.

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Everything you are relying on thus far is anecdotal which makes scams like MAPS possible. No matter the business you are in people will try and steal if you are at it long enough. That is why you build in checks and balances including segregation of duties. Right now you have none of that, just numbers on a screen and the word of people who have never done anything but promoted scams that have long since collapsed.

The better question is (and has been with all the incarnations of this scam)........if there actually are real advertisers, why does anyone have to pay in to earn money?

Originally Posted by Whip

The better question is (and has been with all the incarnations of this scam)........if there actually are real advertisers, why does anyone have to pay in to earn money?

That's a money saver!

From stuffing envelopes, mentoring, to click 10 and retire-- as soon as you have to come out of pocket you may as well consider yourself scammed.

My sponsor has purchased guaranteed visitors and they increased his blogs alexa rankings. I find it hard to believe that they would all be fake.

wait a minute...........your sponsor buys fake visitors and you find it hard to believe they are fake? They're called 'bots'. I get them all the time to my real business website and I didn't have to buy them.

Originally Posted by nerd

I went in with about $3500

Originally Posted by nerd

I withdrew $1500,

Forget about the story that went with it.

They took your $3500 and gave you back $1500 of it.

Net result: they have $2000 more than they started with and you have $2000 less than you started with

They could "give" you another $1500 along with a story and you'd STILL be $500 out of pocket and they would have made $500 for doing nothing, other than giving you your own money.

And yet, you think you have actually made money and are preparing to involve your family and friends

You send me $100 and I send you back a dollar a day and tell you I'm paying you 1% a day interest for "looking at ads"

After 30 days, you think "WOW" 1% a day interest, and you can prove it - you have the $30 in your hot little hand you think to yourself I've got to get my family and friends involved.

You have $30 and MAP still has $70 of your original $100 - you're in the hole for $70

They each send in $100

1 mother, 1 father and two friends @$100 each = $400

Now MAP has your $70 and $400 extra = $470

It pays all of you $1.00 a day

After 30 days: you and your friends and family have $30 each = $150

You have $60 in total, so MAP still has $40 of your original $100 - but you think you've been earning $1.00 a day "interest"

MAP now has $320

rinse, repeat