Thread: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?

On top of which, the visitor numbers have peaked and are beginning to decline, which spells disaster for ponzis, traffic exchanges and "advertising platforms"

I dont think the outcome on the 23rd will have much of an Impact. The damage was done the Moment the TM Website went down and it all became public.

I have noticed that, over on Simon's "MAPs Success" FB group, an awful lot of postings have had the comments disabled by an admin.

Not every post, true, but many, many, more than was the former custom on this page. You might see the occasional one before, but now it's loads of them!

Makes you wonder what they are afraid of, doesn't it?

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Makes you wonder what they are afraid of, doesn't it?

No, not at all

Originally Posted by Whip

seeing he doesn't have any to touch, he had to scab yet another pic from the net, of a woman holding money..........from a real job no doubt.

I think you might be psychic, Whip!

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Originally Posted by jennyp123

I think you might be psychic, Whip!

lol. nah. Just that ain't no street sweeper's hand.

Let's just hope that MAPs doesn't have the same, um, trouble about "investment" that Traffic Monsoon has had.....

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'Cos our boy Gary "Thirsty" Strong reckons he's an "investor".

Hey! Good news, eh??

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Mark "The Gerbil" Ghobril is with MAPs all the way!

Just like he was with Banners Broker, hmmm??

well, he is sending a signal there is an issue with the MAP scam every time he talks about it. He's still allowed to collect money from it while all the other US people that were in it got screwed.

What's his second steam of income he's opening up?

Originally Posted by Whip

well, he is sending a signal there is an issue with the MAP scam every time he talks about it. He's still allowed to collect money from it while all the other US people that were in it got screwed.

Hes a Canadian citizen living in Long Island, NY. USA

Originally Posted by Fat City, LA

Hes a Canadian citizen living in Long Island, NY. USA

he's still in the US collecting money now matter how you want to spin it.

A question for all the scam busters here: Is it actually illegal to promote Ponzi scams in order to profit from them?

I know that running a Ponzi scam is illegal in most countries, but are the stepsys and calabro jrs of the world actually breaking any laws? Can anyone put their finger on a law that says it is illegal to con people into joining Ponzi scams so you can receive the stolen funds, if you are not running the scam yourself?

Yep, it's called "fraud"

There's no need to get all technical about it.

Accepting money to refer people join a fraudulent scheme is fraud in itself.

The fact very few people have been prosecuted THUS FAR is no indication of what will happen the day the authorities finally get sick of seeing the same old names and use the law as it stands to start prosecuting pimps and shills.

IM(very)HO, taking into consideration the formation of the Financial Fraud Enforcement Task Force that day is not too far away.

Originally Posted by Whip

he's still in the US collecting money now matter how you want to spin it.

That's what I thought. That it was being IN the USA that counted.....that MAPs wasn't operating at all in the USA.

I didn't think the nationality mattered. Presumably Americans in Europe can still join MAPs should they be so inclined? So Gerbil being a Canadian wouldn't give him a free pass; it is where he resides that is the deciding factor.

Odd, therefore, that even though he lives in the USA, he can be a Mapper, when other US citizens cannot?

Our old friend, Claire Hartman James, has posted this:-

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A few posts below that, she has asked a question about multiple streams of income - what do people think? And her loyal followers (some of them) have come back and said "Ooh, multiple streams of income, definitely!!"

So, are we up to the "We never said you should only do MAPs, it's always best to diversify" - normally said as or when the scheme collapses - stage yet? There's certainly problems.

To me, one of the biggest red flags is that Danny "Doede Khan" Turner has apparently dropped out of MAPs completely. Not as big a red flag as if Stepsys did so, but Danny was VERY vocal about MAPs and how fab it was, and how it was a REAL business, only a few months ago. His grinning mug was in every group photo. Now he's all charity work. Of course we don't know if he's still in MAPs behind the scenes, but I'm guessing that something has certainly spooked him to make him drop so far out of view.

The unpleasantness with Traffic Monsoon may have been the cause, but Danny T stopped blogging about MAPs back in June, and that was before the TM trouble came into public view.

I reckon that the top people in these schemes know what's coming way before the ordinary folk do.

Once Stepsys stops pushing MAPs, we will know the game is up for sure. IMHO, of course.

Originally Posted by nerd

A question for all the scam busters here: Is it actually illegal to promote Ponzi scams in order to profit from them?

It is illegal, but like a lot of white collar crime the risk/reward is heavily weighted to taking a risk. Every now and again the authorities get it massively right.

Radio host Patrick Kiley gets 20 years in Ponzi scheme - StarTribune.com

Originally Posted by nerd

I know that running a Ponzi scam is illegal in most countries, but are the stepsys and calabro jrs of the world actually breaking any laws? Can anyone put their finger on a law that says it is illegal to con people into joining Ponzi scams so you can receive the stolen funds, if you are not running the scam yourself?

Something along these lines.


Kiley will be sentenced on 12 counts of wire and mail fraud, one count of conspiracy to commit mail and wire fraud, and two counts of money laundering.

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/mi...k-ponzi-scheme

Originally Posted by Della Cate

That's what I thought. That it was being IN the USA that counted.....that MAPs wasn't operating at all in the USA.

I didn't think the nationality mattered. Presumably Americans in Europe can still join MAPs should they be so inclined? So Gerbil being a Canadian wouldn't give him a free pass; it is where he resides that is the deciding factor.

Odd, therefore, that even though he lives in the USA, he can be a Mapper, when other US citizens cannot?

exactly...

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Our old friend, Claire Hartman James, has posted this:-

Maps 292 Sept 16.jpg

A few posts below that, she has asked a question about multiple streams of income - what do people think? And her loyal followers (some of them) have come back and said "Ooh, multiple streams of income, definitely!!"

So, are we up to the "We never said you should only do MAPs, it's always best to diversify" - normally said as or when the scheme collapses - stage yet? There's certainly problems.

To me, one of the biggest red flags is that Danny "Doede Khan" Turner has apparently dropped out of MAPs completely. Not as big a red flag as if Stepsys did so, but Danny was VERY vocal about MAPs and how fab it was, and how it was a REAL business, only a few months ago. His grinning mug was in every group photo. Now he's all charity work. Of course we don't know if he's still in MAPs behind the scenes, but I'm guessing that something has certainly spooked him to make him drop so far out of view.

The unpleasantness with Traffic Monsoon may have been the cause, but Danny T stopped blogging about MAPs back in June, and that was before the TM trouble came into public view.

I reckon that the top people in these schemes know what's coming way before the ordinary folk do.

Once Stepsys stops pushing MAPs, we will know the game is up for sure. IMHO, of course.

he bailed after the zeek receiver mentioned the MAP scam.

Originally Posted by Della Cate

That's what I thought. That it was being IN the USA that counted.....that MAPs wasn't operating at all in the USA.

There was a recent video where http://www.realscam.com/f11/frank-calabro-jr-4254/ claimed he was still receiving commissions from MAP members he referred that were not in the US. Then there's the whole Mike Deese citizenship and he probably isn't clever enough to travel to international waters before conducting business in his failing scam.



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All Deese and company have done is delay the day of reckoning by limiting complaints in the US which thus far is the only country that acted on Traffic Monsoon. Looks like Mappers are content with watching these charlatans take their money and prance to the next scam.

Claire Hartmann-James... I do not have any solid Information re MAP right now. .... seems to be a common theme these days among the big shots... The old tune of "I was scammed too" will come next....

Originally Posted by Ghostbuster

Claire Hartmann-James... I do not have any solid Information re MAP right now. .... seems to be a common theme these days among the big shots... The old tune of "I was scammed too" will come next....

indeed. they all had the info before and now they are suddenly cut off for no reason?

Originally Posted by Ghostbuster

Claire Hartmann-James... I do not have any solid Information re MAP right now. .... seems to be a common theme these days among the big shots... The old tune of "I was scammed too" will come next....

What real business owner doesn't have solid information about their business

Having to turn to a Facebook Group for updates instead of independently audited financials and a major bank/brokerage holding funds means people have already been scammed.

Originally Posted by ribshaw

It is illegal, but like a lot of white collar crime the risk/reward is heavily weighted to taking a risk. Every now and again the authorities get it massively right.

Radio host Patrick Kiley gets 20 years in Ponzi scheme - StarTribune.com




Something along these lines.


Kiley will be sentenced on 12 counts of wire and mail fraud, one count of conspiracy to commit mail and wire fraud, and two counts of money laundering.

https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/mi...k-ponzi-scheme

Very interesting thank you.

So what was different about this case? How come the pimps in this scam received there comeuppance, but pieces of **** like stepsys have been able to scam with impunity for 20 years? Is it just the fact there are hundreds of these scams going at any one time and there are only resources to prosecute a fraction of them?

Originally Posted by nerd

Very interesting thank you.

So what was different about this case? How come the pimps in this scam received there comeuppance, but pieces of **** like stepsys have been able to scam with impunity for 20 years? Is it just the fact there are hundreds of these scams going at any one time and there are only resources to prosecute a fraction of them?

Patrick Kiley was a radio host and was promoting the Ponzi on his show. As for Simon, you'll have to ask the UK authorities as to why he hasn't been arrested and charged for all his crimes.