Thread: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?

Originally Posted by E2014T

Get the HYIP addicts out of the fraud industry spreading this crap to the general population and into the legit gaming industry.

ETA: it will also ensure that their winnings are properly taxed. Right now it's tax evasion all the way in addition to fraud.

An open honest ponzi never gets huge sums (some exceptions happen when people think it is a first of a kind).
Gamblers do not like odds where 90% must loose and them having only 10% to win with no leverage.
Players play small sum and withdrawing at first oppotunity, they need real suckers to do that , otherwise no ponzi will ever survive to make a first winner.
HYIP players are not gamblers , theya bottom feeders, the suckers getting robbed , players getting their piece for knowing whats going on. It is not a straight game of chance to them, they have advantage and for that the suckers must be present.

If a new system like that was atractive to casinos it would be already there, who needs a new lottery with so many complicated screwed up rules ? play poker or existing lottery or a roulette. Or trade stocks

Better late than never. Do I win the Internetz today?


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Originally Posted by NikSam

An open honest ponzi never gets huge sums

99% of scams never get huge sums either, most of them never see the light of day outside of the ponzi subculture.

Originally Posted by NikSam

Gamblers do not like odds where 90% must loose and them having only 10% to win with no leverage.

It's better odds than a lottery.

Originally Posted by NikSam

If a new system like that was atractive to casinos it would be already there

The model is illegal, how would it be already there in legit gambling establishments?

Originally Posted by E2014T

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The model is illegal, how would it be already there in legit gambling establishments?

The model is fraud, misrepresentation, money laundering , so you are proposing to legalize that ?

otherwise if your investment not a fraud there are legal frameworks to raise money, if plain honest gambling also fits in legal realms. So what exactly you proposing ? Can we also legalize human hunting, please , i need a license to kill.

Originally Posted by NikSam

So what exactly you proposing ?

A standard HYIP model with an unknown start date but all the stats (money in, money out, ROI, number of members) published in the context of an online casino.

Originally Posted by E2014T

A standard HYIP model with an unknown start date but all the stats (money in, money out, ROI, number of members) published in the context of an online casino.

So it says that ROI is just a game (not an investment ) ?
that exactly what i said if casinos needed some screwed up lottery like that it would be there.
if there is no deception why you think the model is illegal for gambling ?

Originally Posted by NikSam

that exactly what i said if casinos needed some screwed up lottery like that it would be there

New games get invented all the time. Casinos might not be aware of the market for something like that. They could incorporate the referral commission structure as well, to attract the pimps.

Originally Posted by E2014T

Does anyone have a realistic estimate of how many people around the world have been exposed to ponzies by now? It's spreading like a virus. If it's more than half of the population, might as well remove them from the sphere of criminal enterprise and make them regulated.

Realistic no, but would wager if someone added up the Ponzi/Pyramid scams written about on this site they could find 100,000,000 people "exposed", probably 99M of those are "internet marketrs".


Indeed, in the six-year span from 2008 to 2013, Madoff’s scheme was only one of over 500 Ponzi schemes that collectively involved over $50 billion. That’s billion with a “B.” On average, a Ponzi scheme was uncovered or busted every four days in that six-year period. Forbes Welcome


With the exception of Zeek Top Ponzi Schemes - Ponzitracker is listing "offline" Ponzi schemes which we rarely have any way to follow here. http://www.realscam.com/f8/http-secu...-account-3036/ barely got any hits despite Forex Investors May Face $1 Billion Loss as Trade Site Vanishes - Bloomberg Business . That would make any easy 5 on the PT list.


What Jordan complied is just since the financial crisis, so I would think billions of people have been exposed to the scam in the past century. Which begs the question why do so many keep falling for what is essential the same ruse???



A century later, why do people continue to fall for Ponzi schemes? - The Globe and Mail

Originally Posted by ribshaw

Which begs the question why do so many keep falling for what is essential the same ruse?

Because they want to believe that their lives don't have to be hard.

Originally Posted by E2014T

New games get invented all the time. Casinos might not be aware of the market for something like that. They could incorporate the referral commission structure as well, to attract the pimps.

there is simply no need for that. Honest ponzis do not attract , complicated.
If you play slots you know that those are pretend 3 cheries which have to align , not real. Its all symbology, basics just money in money out, programmed in house edge and pseudo random number generator.
If you think seeing some ptetend investments instead of cheries will atract more people, perhaps, but it is too complicated for just a game of chance.

So how much casino will keep to themselves from each pretend investment ? Go ahead, open a honest ponzi online and wonder why people do not come. I saw at least 30 of those in the past , even players stay away cause know with no suckers coming in they will not make anything, they do not last a one cycle.

Originally Posted by NikSam

So how much casino will keep to themselves from each pretend investment ?

The house edge for current casino games is between 1-10% depending on the game, so I guess it's up to them in that range. I'm still convinced there is a market for something like that. Maybe tweak it a little, exclude the number of members and make it money in/money out calculation. Not a pure chance, just how well you can count.

Originally Posted by NikSam

Can we also legalize human hunting, please , i need a license to kill.

I don't know what country you are in, but if you join special forces or intelligence services in your country, there is a good chance you'll have a license to kill targets determined by your government.

Originally Posted by E2014T

The house edge for current casino games is between 1-10% depending on the game, so I guess it's up to them in that range. I'm still convinced there is a market for something like that. Maybe tweak it a little, exclude the number of members and make it money in/money out calculation. Not a pure chance, just how well you can count.

You're probably right for some players that see riding the Ponzi as a game no different than any other game of chance. Punters might even have a system such as riding the coattails of major pimps.

Visible big earners are people like Stepsys promoting the scams and invisible admins functioning as the house presumably making money behind the scenes. In that vein Simon is similar to the hosts and the admins like the casinos getting a cut for bringing in high rollers, only most gamblers should know they will eventually lose. There is a thrill that comes from the risk, few would do more than dream of quitting their job after a handful of winning days at the track.


Conversely all of these scams appear to be sold sans the risk, until the end is nigh then the disclaimers pop up left and right. So turning it into an honest, albeit one with a negative expected value would change the whole nature of the game.
In a casino most patrons know they will come in with $100 and leave with $0, in MAP they think they know they come in with $100 and leave with $120. The latter group might not be playing at all or would play a lot differently if they knew the truth at the onset.


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I like to play the lottery, nothing stupid just a few bucks a week for the thrill, plus that old saw.

Honey, pack your bags I hit the lottery.
That's great where are we going?
We nothing, pack your bags.

This nitwit Erol is posting a link to Lyndell Fb page on MAPS scam page?
Has he come around? Seems way to clueless. They must have ripped him off.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...88704724492200

Of note:

https://www.facebook.com/ErolUK/post...97?pnref=story

Originally Posted by HARRISON

Danny - sorry DOEDE - has some 'friends' defending him. Danny's REAL name is DANNY, sorry DANIEL, not DOEDE, and this guy can prove it! 'Danny' has signed contracts and everything!! So why does he call himself DOEDE in his you tube video. NONE OF OUR BUSINESS, apparently...
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Originally Posted by E2014T

I don't know what country you are in, but if you join special forces or intelligence services in your country, there is a good chance you'll have a license to kill targets determined by your government.

"determined by your government" - thats what ruins it for me.

Originally Posted by Fat City, LA

This nitwit Erol is posting a link to Lyndell Fb page on MAPS scam page?
Has he come around? Seems way to clueless. They must have ripped him off.

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...88704724492200

Of note:

https://www.facebook.com/ErolUK/post...97?pnref=story

Oh dear...somebody has been telling him MAPS is a scam and he isn't to happy!

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Fair enough.

Consider yourself deleted

Originally Posted by NikSam

"determined by your government" - thats what ruins it for me.

Too bad. The government is the only legal authority that can give you a valid license - to drive a car or kill, whichever suits your tastes better.

ETA: To bring it about on topic, the government is also the only legal authority that can issue gaming licenses and licenses to sell securities. MAPs ain't got either one - means it's illegal and sensible people should run away unless they have a death wish and want to throw their lives down the toilet.

Originally Posted by E2014T

Too bad. The government is the only legal authority that can give you a valid license - to drive a car or kill, whichever suits your tastes better.

ETA: To bring it about on topic, the government is also the only legal authority that can issue gaming licenses and licenses to sell securities. MAPs ain't got either one - means it's illegal and sensible people should run away unless they have a death wish and want to throw their lives down the toilet.

But they don't sell securities. They sell advertising *sarcasm*

Originally Posted by floxles

But they don't sell securities. They sell advertising *sarcasm*

There are entities that sell advertising for HYIPS. MMG sells advertising. TG sells advertising. HYIP monitors sell advertising. HYIP reviewers sell advertising. MAPs isn't selling advertising, it's selling the idea of making money from mindless clicking on links - add click fraud to the list of shady activities.

Remember the faces, people. It may very well be the last time you see them smiling and free



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Originally Posted by littleroundman

Remember the faces, people. It may very well be the last time you see them smiling and free

Well, unless NikSam gives himself a non-government issued license to do with their lives as he pleases, there is a good chance they will get away with it. Most of the industry gets away with murder, why not them?

We can encourage people to report, but the sad truth is most of them will never see a penny back from their losses regardless of whether they report it or not. They might as well accept the cold hard fact that they have been screwed and move on. Resentment, desire for revenge and actions in that direction are only going to prolong the suffering.

According to IC3 anual Report

for the second half of 2014 , Online Investment fraud was reported only by 656 victims in total losses of $31m.
It is getting higher than in previous reports.

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Originally Posted by NikSam

for the second half of 2014 , Online Investment fraud was reported only by 656 victims in total losses of $31m.
It is getting higher than in previous reports.

If you look at all of the annual reports from the inception of IC3, the trend is the one of growth. It takes a dive after the large shutdowns of the money laundering operations, like e-gold and LR, but it always rebounds.