Thread: Is My Advertising Pays / The Advert Platform A Scam or Ponzi?

Also from the MAP Official Facebook group.

CANCELLED OH DEAR!

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you mean just like the last one that didn't happen and not a peep?

I just noticed on Joe's post that MAP claims to have been seen on four major news networks.

The ole as seen on TV lie.JPG

Keeping in mind this is from the OFFICIAL website the one with all the crappy ads for more MAPs.

Pyramid Scam featured in the news.JPG

Maybe some of the esteemed MAP leadership can explain this obvious lie. What next a fake Forbes article???

I am just surprised the video of the MAP event wasn't on the UK's Funniest Home Video show.

On another note, with the big event for tomorrow being cancelled, makes you wonder what will happen on the Oct 10 event if it too will have to be cancelled for lack of interest. Now that would be the kiss of death for MAP if that happened. It is their bread and butter signature event.

Any of you who live in the UK, if you know of any organization in the London area that is looking for a place to hold a meeting, please tell them to check out VSC. They are a honorable nonprofit and provide a great service as well as doing a great job. They deserve to be supported.

Hi,
I'm from Germany and I have a question.
I've read something about companies house striking off MAP from their register. What exactly is the reason and also what are the consequences for MAP if that happens?

Also how do I explain to an acquaintance who is REALLY deep into this, that he should get out of this? I have no idea how to approach him, because he and his wife are already at the 1200 cp and he is also a regional leader in part of bavaria, so he will probably call me a hater and stuff.
I don't want to tell the whole sob-story about him but I think you get the picture.

I couldn't really find a german forum discussing about maps and scams in general like this one, so I came here.

Hello Floxles and welcome.

There are quite a few resources for you to use - suggest your friend reads some of these as a start:-

TARA TALKS: My Advertising Pays SCAM (1)

My Advertising Pays Scam? Yes It Is In My Opinion! - Ethan Vanderbuilt

MyAdvertisingPays Review: $49.99 Ponzi investment scheme

They give a good overview of My Advertising Pays, and the people writing them are very knowledgable.

It will be hard, I expect, to talk to your friend. He sounds as if he is already very deep in MAPs, and won't be willing to listen to any other point of view. All you can do is give him access to information and hope that some of it sticks!

This thread here at RealScam is also very good, although as you can see, it is quite long now, but it is worth looking through it as there is a lot of information here. As for your question about the striking off of MAPs at Companies House, I'm sure someone here will be happy to explain, as I'm not clear about all the details.

I'm glad to see someone from Germany here, as I get the impression that MAPs is very big over there, and it would be so useful to have some information from you about how you see it, and what you know about it.

hello della,
thank you for your reply. My friend can't be bothered to read stuff in english also because the german leaders (barton, zenker and schäfer) tell stuff like "people who write bad stuff about map do it for the attention because the want pageviews so that their ads can be seen and they earn money through this" that's pretty much brainwashing.
They also claim that the alexa ranking is bound to the google search results, so that people think: higher alexa rank is a higher rank at google.
I asked in the german official group if this is true and an admin sent me a kinda aggressive pn.
Also there is a big "official" german group and several regional groups for the states/bigger cities.
I was using map for a year, started with four credits packs button I don't want to do this anymore because there are more and more signs showing that it won't last that long.

If you have any specific questions about map in germany, feel free to ask.

Originally Posted by floxles

Also how do I explain to an acquaintance who is REALLY deep into this, that he should get out of this? I have no idea how to approach him, because he and his wife are already at the 1200 cp and he is also a regional leader in part of bavaria, so he will probably call me a hater and stuff.

I don't know if this will help you, but you could try to tell your friend about how fraud destroys lives, about how people commit suicide because they have lost everything they had to fraudsters and lost respect of their families and communities. You can tell your friend that fraud destroys national economies and local communities. Maybe he will listen.

Dear Floxles, s few questions:-

I believe that MAPs is very popular in Germany, do you think this is true?

Are there also regional and training meetings in Germany, as there are in the UK? Who would you say are the big leaders, and were they in other things before (as far as you know)? You don't have to mention your friend if you don't wish to.

You say you joined but have changed your mind now. Are you willing to say what encouraged you to join? What signs have you seen that make you think that it won't last much longer?

Thank you

Originally Posted by Della Cate

Dear Floxles, s few questions:-

I believe that MAPs is very popular in Germany, do you think this is true?

It definitely makes it out to be with all those big events. But the "official" group has something about 5000 members und there is another unofficial group with 3700 members.
In the end it isn't that much but I can't tell where the most people are from. Probably NRW.
I'm not in any regional groups because it was too much circlejerking and brainwashing with that motivation BS.

Are there also regional and training meetings in Germany, as there are in the UK?

Yes, afaik the regional groups meet one a month for discussion. They also host recruiting events every other month

Who would you say are the big leaders, and were they in other things before (as far as you know)?

The big leaders are Andreas Zenker, Reiner Barton, Daniel Schäfer and Alexander Vitocco.
The former three were heaviliy involved with banners brokers. I don't know much about vitocco, but he is a motivation coach and seems to be working on that "Map academy" thing

You say you joined but have changed your mind now. Are you willing to say what encouraged you to join?

I was greedy but also skeptic. I only put 200$ in. my friend, who asked me to join told me about financial freedom and getting out of the hamster-wheel. I was also depressive, which also added to me joining maps.
I'm not one of these persons who despise their job or hate working, but I thought it would be nice to have some extra cash and yeah, I trusted my friend on that.

What signs have you seen that make you think that it won't last much longer?

earlier this year my friend let me join the secret map facebook groups (you can only join with an invitation) and that was when I saw how naive and crazy those people were. praying to mike deese and stuff, like a cult. That's when I started to look up some information about it being a scam.
I didn't stop with maps because there was still this hope that it isn't a scam and that I would earn money with it but in the last few weeks that hope was gone.
Massive downtimes, celebrating 1 1/2 years of map and all the other weird stuff like map being the only client for VX.

Hope, I could answer your questions

Originally Posted by ribshaw

I just noticed on Joe's post that MAP claims to have been seen on four major news networks.

The ole as seen on TV lie.JPG

Keeping in mind this is from the OFFICIAL website the one with all the crappy ads for more MAPs.

Maybe some of the esteemed MAP leadership can explain this obvious lie. What next a fake Forbes article???

It's not MAP that claims to have been seen on four major news networks, it is infact a "quality targeted" Ad for another "opportunity"
advertised right there on the MAP back office.

Click on it and you go here.


http://mydotcombusiness.com/10kincome/


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Which in turn takes you to this "No BS" YouTube video...

Originally Posted by floxles

Hi,

Also how do I explain to an acquaintance who is REALLY deep into this, that he should get out of this? I have no idea how to approach him, because he and his wife are already at the 1200 cp and he is also a regional leader in part of bavaria, so he will probably call me a hater and stuff.

Welcome to the thread that is a tough spot for you to be in.

There are only so many things that make this a scam, endless recruiting, unbelievable returns, and a lack of independently verifiable information. If you spend a few hours reading the thread and asking some questions you should be able to come up with 5-10 bullet points to discuss factually with your friend. Whether he will entertain the discussion another matter entirely.

1. The reason Ponzi schemes work is new money is used to pay older investors thereby convincing people they have found something real. Few realize they are being paid with their own money, excluding referral commissions put a pen to paper with your friend. What proof does he have that this is not what is occurring?

2. How are MAP returns possible for clicking 10 ads with next to zero external revenue? Going back to 1, if there are external advertisers paying then why do participants have to pay before they earn? Why is the cost of advertising not separated from the money "earned" for clicking?

3. Where is the proof outside of the the word of people in MAP? Allowing Mike Deese (or whoever) to control all the cash, all the distributions, and all the financial reporting is a recipe for disaster. This is not being negative, this is how any investor that doesn't want to lose their shirt, or the shirts of people they get involved should approach any venture.

Originally Posted by floxles

My friend can't be bothered to read stuff in english also because the german leaders (barton, zenker and schäfer) tell stuff like "people who write bad stuff about map do it for the attention because the want pageviews so that their ads can be seen and they earn money through this" that's pretty much brainwashing.

This belies a much bigger problem in that most victims in these scams can't be bothered to read ten or twenty hours of information before investing what might be their life savings. If they won't willingly do that on their own, they are doomed to lose their money to happy talk and payment proofs.


I don't know that I would be bothered to read something in German so maybe some translation is in order on the finer points. If not for him, perhaps for others you may be concerned about.


There are one or two posters here https://www.facebook.com/My-Advertis...2200/timeline/ that also speak German, might be good to try and connect with them.

Originally Posted by floxles

"people who write bad stuff about map do it for the attention because the want pageviews so that their ads can be seen and they earn money through this"

as you can see, there is not one ad on this website.
people here gain absolutely nothing by warning people about scams.
there is absolutely nothing in this thread (or any other thread for that matter) that steers people to other opportunities.
this right here proves to your friend he has been lied to.

Thank you Floxles for your answers and for being so honest about your original motivation.

The "secret FB group" sounds scary! You are well out of it.

Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe

Also from the MAP Official Facebook group.

CANCELLED OH DEAR!

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WHAT?? They can't get people to go? What on earth is up with people, don't they want to become zillionaires?

If they cannot get people to their meetings, they cannot recruit - well, not as easily. People are more easily influenced when they are in a room rah-rahing with everyone else. When everyone else is cheering along, it is hard for most people to resist being caught up with the excitement. Not as easy to convince people by email or telephone calls, because it gives people more chance to put the phone down or block your messages. You just become that pest on the end of the line who won't go away!

Be interesting to see if there's more downtime on the website and more "upgrades" to the pipes coming along soon as a result of recruitment difficulties.

floxies: Welcome to RS and thanks for sharing your story with us. As ribshaw has said, you re in a tight spot with your friend. You are also right that members in MAP have been brainwashed to not believe anything that us "Haters" have to say about MAP. The main reason is they can't dispute the facts, only name-call anyone who doesn't believe in MAP.

In regard to your friend, you might want to engage him by letting him know that programs like MAP have been around for more than 10 years. The vast majority of the regular members of MAP have no clue that the pay-to-click programs have existed this long. They think MAP is the first, or at best one of four or five pay-to-click programs. Each new program always claims to be better than its competitors, and of course will bring you untold riches. So ask your friend if pay-to-click programs have been around for so long, and if they were truly successful at making you rich, why would MAP even need to be in business? After all they all make the same claims as MAP. If to get rich all you had to do was click 10 ads per day, why isn't everyone in the world not doing it? And no the answer is not they don't know they exist.

I would also ask him if advertising with MAP has increased sales to his business? He does have a business, right? The purpose of advertising is to generate increased sales of your product. So surely his business must be receiving new customers and increasing his sales. If not, why not? Why pay for advertising if it doesn't work? On the other hand, if his MAP advertising is working, then why not stop all of his other advertising and only use MAP? If he doesn't have a business to advertise, then what in the world is he doing buying advertising for a non-existent business? All you are doing is asking legitimate business questions and if you friend says you are being negative, then you have your answer if logic and reason can make him see the light.

See the problem with MAP or any of these other pay-to-click programs rarely generate new business to the advertiser of a real business. The vast majority of the ads in MAP, or any pay-to-click program, are for other Ponzi or illegal pyramid schemes. The only way you make money is from new people joining the program and you receiving a portion of their money, as well as yours, for clicking a set number of ads per day. This is what make it an illegal pyramid scheme. What makes it a Ponzi is that MAP pays a stated percentage of return on your purchase of ad packs, which makes it an investment. Since it is an investment, it must be registered with the SEC. Not only must MAP be registered with the SEC, but every regulatory body that oversees investments in their country where MAP does business. Since MAP is not, they are selling unregistered securities.

You also should know that MAP is now entering its most critical stage of operation. Within the next 4-6 weeks, the members of MAP are going to be withdrawing their funds like crazy to pay for their Christmas gifts. There is a term that is used called Black December in the Ponzi world. It is called this because this is the month most Ponzi's fail. Don't be surprised if MAP institutes a limit on how much money the member can withdraw at any one time, and within a specified period of time. It is the only way they can hopefully survive Black December and have a prayer of lasting to January. They have to stop the bleeding or they will go bust.

I do wish you all the best in your exposing MAP and I hope your endeavors achieve great results.

Originally Posted by EagleOne

floxies: Welcome to RS and thanks for sharing your story with us. As ribshaw has said, you re in a tight spot with your friend. You are also right that members in MAP have been brainwashed to not believe anything that us "Haters" have to say about MAP. The main reason is they can't dispute the facts, only name-call anyone who doesn't believe in MAP.

In regard to your friend, you might want to engage him by letting him know that programs like MAP have been around for more than 10 years. The vast majority of the regular members of MAP have no clue that the pay-to-click programs have existed this long. They think MAP is the first, or at best one of four or five pay-to-click programs. Each new program always claims to be better than its competitors, and of course will bring you untold riches. So ask your friend if pay-to-click programs have been around for so long, and if they were truly successful at making you rich, why would MAP even need to be in business? After all they all make the same claims as MAP. If to get rich all you had to do was click 10 ads per day, why isn't everyone in the world not doing it? And no the answer is not they don't know they exist.

I would also ask him if advertising with MAP has increased sales to his business? He does have a business, right? The purpose of advertising is to generate increased sales of your product. So surely his business must be receiving new customers and increasing his sales. If not, why not? Why pay for advertising if it doesn't work? On the other hand, if his MAP advertising is working, then why not stop all of his other advertising and only use MAP? If he doesn't have a business to advertise, then what in the world is he doing buying advertising for a non-existent business? All you are doing is asking legitimate business questions and if you friend says you are being negative, then you have your answer if logic and reason can make him see the light.

See the problem with MAP or any of these other pay-to-click programs rarely generate new business to the advertiser of a real business. The vast majority of the ads in MAP, or any pay-to-click program, are for other Ponzi or illegal pyramid schemes. The only way you make money is from new people joining the program and you receiving a portion of their money, as well as yours, for clicking a set number of ads per day. This is what make it an illegal pyramid scheme. What makes it a Ponzi is that MAP pays a stated percentage of return on your purchase of ad packs, which makes it an investment.

You also should know that MAP is now entering its most critical stage of operation. Within the next 4-6 weeks, the members of MAP are going to be withdrawing their funds like crazy to pay for their Christmas gifts. There is a term that is used called Black December in the Ponzi world. It is called this because this is the month most Ponzi's fail. Don't be surprised if MAP institutes a limit on how much money the member can withdraw at any one time, and within a specified period of time. It is the only way they can hopefully survive Black December and have a prayer of lasting to January. They have to stop the bleeding or they will go bust.

I do wish you all the best in your exposing MAP and I hope your endeavors achieve great results.

A ponzi is anything that promises a guaranteed return on investment? Is this correct?

Originally Posted by Fendaril

A ponzi is anything that promises a guaranteed return on investment? Is this correct?

I think the simplest definition would go something like:

A Ponzi is when earlier investors are paid "returns" from the later investments of others.

Classic Ponzi schemes usually promote the idea that they have a real business that will produce the necessary returns, when in fact the allegedly income-producing business either does not exist or does not produce income sufficient to maintain payments to investors.

Many Ponzi schemes also offer "referral commissions" so that any participant may become a paid salesman for the scheme. As you have pointed out, Ponzi scammers frequently attach the concept of "guaranteed" to the impossible returns they promise as bait.

SD

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Originally Posted by Fendaril

A ponzi is anything that promises a guaranteed return on investment? Is this correct?

No it does not. However, most Ponzi's do claim the return is guaranteed. Ribshaw has explained what the definition of a Ponzi is so won't repeat it.

Originally Posted by floxles

Hi,
I'm from Germany and I have a question.
I've read something about companies house striking off MAP from their register. What exactly is the reason and also what are the consequences for MAP if that happens?

Also how do I explain to an acquaintance who is REALLY deep into this, that he should get out of this? I have no idea how to approach him, because he and his wife are already at the 1200 cp and he is also a regional leader in part of bavaria, so he will probably call me a hater and stuff.
I don't want to tell the whole sob-story about him but I think you get the picture.

I couldn't really find a german forum discussing about maps and scams in general like this one, so I came here.

Welcome Floxles!
You've definitely come to the right forum, it's full of really knowledgeable people and has all the information your friend needs to do some proper due diligence. The problem though, as you so rightly say, is getting the right people to read it. You can lead a horse to water...

These 'click ten ads a day' scams are everywhere. Some are more successful than others, but they will all fail. Greed overides common sense. Luckily, we are at the stage now whereby anybody can google 'My Advertising Pays' and they get a raft of sites all explaining why MAPS is a ponzi. People only have to read it.
As for traffic, your point is sound, but from personal experience, my blog is a hobby, not a living. You need traffic in the hundreds of thousands to make
any real money. To give you an idea, I regularly get 1000+ a day on my site and can make anything from 2p to 50p. It doesn't even pay my broadband bill, believe me! But I wanted to learn first hand how Ads work in the real world and it has 100% re-inforced the fact that these scams are in NO way real.
I wish you luck trying to persuade your friend

As for the Company register, this is correct. This is what happened:
Mike Deese registered the company but has failed to provide accounts. When this happens, the company is given three months notice before being stuck off and its liabilities then cease. The issue we've had is that Tony Booth said that the Company was opened fraudulently by Allied Wallet - a complete lie- and is not a real MAPS company.
We won't know the real story behind it until MAPS closes but we've written to Companies House to try and get the suspension lifted.
Hope that makes sense

Form an orderly queue, everyone, and get your freebie here....

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I thought use of the logo was not allowed, or have I got that wrong?

Eagle makes a very good point - one that others have made too, I am sure - that My Advertising Pays is not the only revenue sharing programme on the block.

It isn't something new. It isn't something different. It is one of a host of competing schemes, like Traffic Monsoon, and another one I stumbled across today; "My Paying Ads".

What amused me was the front page of the My Paying Ads site:-

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Yeah, about as impressive as the MAPs site, I know......but can you see what is in the top lefthand corner? Yup, a little advert for My Advertising Pays. I wonder if MPA will claim that they have "real advertisers" on board because they have an advert from MAPs?

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As this little discrepancy keeps coming back like a bad rash year after year in the Ponzi scheme business, I thought it was time we provide yet another refresher course.




Dear MyAdvertisingPays crooks, the scammers they pay to promote this scam, the addicts who just can't stop playing these games and the gullible people who just don't know any better:

In the Anti-Ponzi/pyramid scheme world, most "haters" use screen names because they have no interest in receiving calls or visits from irate criminals. They also have lives that may include children that they wish to insulate from the sociopaths who form the nucleus of this online crime.

But listen ... if any one of you deluded talking heads ever get the urge to really sue one of the haters, it's really simple.

1. File a lawsuit with your friendly local clerk of court. Usually about $50.

2. Have a subpoena served to the ISP of the hater you are suing demanding the name and address of the hater. Usually about $35.

3. Once you get the name and address you seek, quickly withdraw your lawsuit so that you don't have to actually defend the fact that you are profiting from an illegal Ponzi or pyramid scheme (either through the pre-trial discovery phase or in a worst-case scenario, in front of a judge and attorneys who have enough (((common sense))) to make it through law school and pass a bar exam).

Maps is a SCAM.
The people joining now are enriching the lives of crooks like Simon Stepsys and Claire Hartman-James. They will never get back the money they have put in.

Eighty-five dollars, guys. We're all available. Go for it.
With 200,000 happy members ... there's gotta be somebody around who is pissed off at the haters and who has $85 in real money ... right?

SD

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Originally Posted by Joe_Shmoe

Oh dear! more My Advertising Pays downtime tomorrow.
I wonder if the supposed new hardware will be the biggest information hardware in the world?
Will My Advertising Pays come back up? (who knows?)



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Lynne Booth posted the same info 2 hrs ago, in the Map Official Facebook Group.

Oh and Abdul ain't too happy for some reason.


https://www.facebook.com/groups/275653409292824/

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The new Maphole hardware:
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Tony Booth preparing to clean MAPs largest information pipe in the world

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